OK, that's not news. But he topped himself today.

I subjected myself to a few minutes listening to his radio show while driving around. And all he was doing was pissing and moaning about how the "liberals" and "elites" were politicizing the disaster in the Gulf.

Those awful liberals areonly looking at this politically,. he said, over and over and over. He said it so often that he was politicizing it far far more than those he was criticizing. And then he was joined in his griping about how politicals are by that great intellect Mark levin.

According to Sean, this is a time to forget poltiics and focus on the victims -- unless you are a cvonservative Republican, in which case it is also time to wail and moan about how liberals have yet again proved how awful they are by looking at this politically.

And what's worse is that idiots were calling up and agreeing with him.

They are so friggin stupid that they don't even see how ridiculous their glass-house hypocricy is.

my favorite thing about it is they (the conservative mouths) sit there and bitch about those "bastions of liberal propaganda" like NPR and the New Yorker, while they produce shows like Hannity and Colms, and that lying pill-popper Rush, that are completely lacking in anything that could be considered content.

i guess it just boils down to the fact that there are some of us who would rather listen to Terri Gross and ATC, and others who prefer Rush and the 700 Club. i count myself among the former, but it seems that the latter are holding the cards currently.

but we should ask ourselves what it is about our culture that makes the vapid whining of conservative talk radio so attractive to many future leaders, while NPR and PBS have to fight tooth and nail to get operating budgets.

Esoterik, I don't appreciate you stealing my name.

It's already been trademark dude, It's gonna cost you to keep it. I'll message you with the paypal information where you can send the monthly bill payment.

doesn't it suck when someone takes your idea...












and makes it better :P

All Sean Hannity's show is, is Liberal bashing. You can make one helluva drinking game from his talk show. If you wanna screw someone, have em do a shot each time he mentions the word "liberal" or "far left".

But yeah, whenever he mentions the word "politicizing", he's being a hypocrit. Nothing new from him. The only reason why I listen to him when driving home from work is to be amused with his idiocy. But hey, he does do a funny Clinton and Kerry impersonation. I laugh each time he does it, lol.

- N

doesn't it suck when someone takes your idea...












and makes it better :P

Make that weekly payments

Talk about hypocracy, I'm waiting to see how the American entertainment dollars dropped during the disaster. If people are really as compassionate and caring as they claim, then the dollars spent on entertainment during that week probably fell dramatically. Anyone wanna' bet that it didn't fall much?

It's easy to SAY how much one cares, but showing it is a whole new ballgame!

Baron Max

OK, that's not news. But he topped himself today.

I subjected myself to a few minutes listening to his radio show while driving around. And all he was doing was pissing and moaning about how the "liberals" and "elites" were politicizing the disaster in the Gulf.

Those awful liberals areonly looking at this politically,. he said, over and over and over. He said it so often that he was politicizing it far far more than those he was criticizing. And then he was joined in his griping about how politicals are by that great intellect Mark levin.

According to Sean, this is a time to forget poltiics and focus on the victims -- unless you are a cvonservative Republican, in which case it is also time to wail and moan about how liberals have yet again proved how awful they are by looking at this politically.

And what's worse is that idiots were calling up and agreeing with him.

They are so friggin stupid that they don't even see how ridiculous their glass-house hypocricy is.


Please expand a little on how Hannity and conservatives in general are hypocrites?

Esoterik, I don't appreciate you stealing my name.

It's already been trademark dude, It's gonna cost you to keep it. I'll message you with the paypal information where you can send the monthly bill payment.

If this is in fact true that you trademarked your name, then you need to get out more.

I also, though admittedly am not a intellectual property lawyer, cannot see where you would have grounds to sue.

Different spelling, two names instead of one, it just seems like you are basically looking for a quick fix.

Talk about hypocracy, I'm waiting to see how the American entertainment dollars dropped during the disaster. If people are really as compassionate and caring as they claim, then the dollars spent on entertainment during that week probably fell dramatically. Anyone wanna' bet that it didn't fall much?

Was this response supposed to be a new thread?

Entertainment dollars?
I don't see how spending a few bucks at blockbuster keeps me from also sending money to the red cross.

i sent money for the tsunami, but where the hell are my tax... dollars...... going.......... oh wait.

i wouldn't say that conservatives are hypocrites- they are, but so what everyone is, to some extent- but they knock the living hell out of that strawman. i heard scarecrows were trying to unionize in Iowa.

Sean Hannity is one evil man. During the Katrina crisis, he was more worried about the insignificant looting then the dying people. The Right wing in General tried to make the Kratrina crisis about looting instead of rescuing dying people.

the VAST majority of what happened during Katrina was not looting, it was foraging. of course this must be subjective since every network had a different colloquialism for desperate black people searching for food. some even went as far as captioning one thing for euros, and another for afries.

I don't watch FOX news because it is a overly Christian propaganda station. However, Hannity is correct in that liberals are attempting to find a government injustice for a lack of positive action by irresponsible citizens who were not motivated or intelligent enough to do the right thing.
Instead of helping others survive they locked themselves in their houses or took to looting:

http://www.datejesus.com/images/katrina4.jpg

This is no different than Sept. 11th, when citizens began to blame their own government for not "preventing" the atrocities, conviently sidestepping the fact that this is a republic and we brought it upon ourselves.

how exactly do you stock pile surplies even if you KNOW that your house will get flooded????? in my house right now i have enough canned food for 2 days another 4 or 5 depends on me having acess to clean water and a saucepan. if my house was flooded it goes back to being JUST the canned food ASSUMING i can still get to it. As an indervidual you admit you cant do everything yourself thats why you HAVE goverments, not to go blow up other countrys but to help when you cant

The whole point of a centralized democratic or republican government is the pooling of common resources and efforts toward survival, protection and prosperity.
People pay taxes to support the givernment and the people.
If people can not count on their government to assist them in times of need, they shouldn't be required to pay taxes or respect the laws of the land.
This is not a land full of separate individuals, it is a collective effort.

Yeah, Hagar, it's not a matter of Joe Shoe Salesman saying "I should've done a better job, y'know shoring up canals in LA and preparing rescue efforts" it's Joe saying "I pay these people to shore up canals in LA and prepare rescue efforts. I pay them to do that as the specific focus of their job. Why didn't they do a better job at what I explicitly pay them to do?"

Now, if you want to get into discussions of whether Joe's hiring practices (which by extension include the ability of the people he hires/elects to hire competent people) be my guest.

why do you think that hiring a contracter to do a job for you and voting in a govt to run the country are the same thing

i'll tell you what, mr munchmausen, why dont you be my guest and flesh out your analogy?

The Katrina chaos was entirely the fault of New Orleans. Hannity is correct. The liberals are just playing the blame game.


New Orleans was given $2 billion dollars to fix the levees, but they sat on the money. source (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstory.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200509%5C NAT20050907a.html)
New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin was offered ~500 schoolbuses to evacuate New Orleans. He said schoolbuses weren't good enough for him and demanded ~500 Greyhound buses instead. Meanwhile, the Hurricane sank those ~500 schoolbuses which COULD HAVE saved lives. Nagin is an incompetent and irresponsible fool. source (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/9/8/114045.shtml)
The New Orleans police taught and helped people to loot. source 1 (http://slate.msn.com/id/2125820/) source 2 (video) (http://205.138.199.81/videos/7/101346_62c6c.wmv)
New Orleans authorities more interested in sex then saving lives source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4217022.stm)
Superdome fiasco, looting, violence, etc. source 1 (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16466739%5E1702,00.html) source 2 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15922236&method=full&siteid=94762&headline=dead-bodies--rape-crack--gunshots--filth-and-a-sickening-stench-filling-the-thick-air--name_page.html) source 3 (http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?j=126886600&p=yz6887y8x) source 4 (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/01/katrina.impact/) source 5 (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/01/katrina.hospital.sniper/index.html) I'll stop listing sources but I could go on forever...


The people being blamed (The President, White people/society, racism) are innocent. If the President hates Black people (as Kanye West put it so eloquently), why does he have Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice in his cabinet? And of course, he has tried very hard to help with the disaster. White people seem to be the main people rescuing and giving aid to the New Orleans refugees. I know personally [White] people who have travelled from Pennsylvania all the way to hurricane hit areas just to help out. I know [White] people are giving tons of money to the Katrina victims. I was walking down the street and saw some [White] children selling lemonade for the Katrina victims. If the New Orleans victims were White, would the government have responded faster? I don't know, I would need comparison data. If the New Orleans victims were White, would there be less crime and chaos in New Orleans? Certainly. Is the crime and chaos in New Orleans attributable to White racism? Certainly not.

how exactly do you stock pile surplies even if you KNOW that your house will get flooded?????

Please tell me ....you really don't know how to stockpile essential supplies in case of an emergency?????


As an indervidual you admit you cant do everything yourself thats why you HAVE goverments, ...

NO!!! That's why we have friends and family. If you depend on the government to do those things for you, then you SHOULD suffer the consequences of your own actions. Our great nation existed for hundreds of years on individual self-reliance and we thrived ....we began depending on the government in the 50s or so and we've been going downhill ever since!!

Baron Max

This is not a land full of separate individuals, it is a collective effort.

...LOL! And just when did THAT begin?? ...LOL!

Baron Max

Gustav, your mind-reading needs some work.

If you could explain for me how the differences in electing government officials and hiring contractors relates to the topic at hand, I'll be happy to flesh out my analogy.

why?


Yeah, Hagar, it's not a matter of Joe Shoe Salesman saying "I should've done a better job, y'know shoring up canals in LA and preparing rescue efforts" it's Joe saying "I pay these people to shore up canals in LA and prepare rescue efforts. I pay them to do that as the specific focus of their job. Why didn't they do a better job at what I explicitly pay them to do?"

Now, if you want to get into discussions of whether Joe's hiring practices (which by extension include the ability of the people he hires/elects to hire competent people) be my guest.

you brought it up
i commented
if i was mistaken in intepretation, clarify your intent
screw the topic
digressions are not taboo around these parts

The liberals are just playing the blame game.
So, ushering in a new area of accountability has become the "blame game". IT'S NOT A FUCKING GAME. Bush failed miserably, because he doesn't care.
He doesn't care about black people, and he doesn't care much about white people, either, especially if they are poor or democrats.

Besides, the Bush administration is doing their share of blaming, they blame everyone but themselves, even though practically the whole country agrees he was sleeping on the job.

Bush failed miserably, because he doesn't care.

Well, Mayor Nagin, a black man, didn't seem to care ...he couldn't/wouldn't even help evacuate his own fuckin' city!!

The governor didn't seem to care much either ...she didn't request the federal FEMA aid for several days.

Neither of them seemed to care when they failed to provide food, water and shelter for the idiots who didn't evacuate the city like they were told to do.

There's plenty of blame if that's what you're wanting to do ....but don't put all of the blame were it does not belong simply because of your own prejudices and ignorance.

Baron Max

Sorry, dude, the Mayor did what he could, but the feds were alerted VERY early on, on the 26th, in fact, that they simply did not have the resources to help everyone. This is America, and Bush is supposed to be the leader. He didn't even need a request from anyone to move in, in emergencies, he can do that. Bush didn't even consider N.O. much of a problem until that thursday.

So, ushering in a new area of accountability has become the "blame game". IT'S NOT A FUCKING GAME. Bush failed miserably, because he doesn't care.
He doesn't care about black people, and he doesn't care much about white people, either, especially if they are poor or democrats.

Besides, the Bush administration is doing their share of blaming, they blame everyone but themselves, even though practically the whole country agrees he was sleeping on the job.

Did you read my post on why New Orleans should be blamed?

Yes,
Accounts of levee contruction are beside the point, I'm referring to the disaster response after we knew they failed. (who the hell is cns news anyway).

School buses might not have been adequate, obviously it would be difficult to find the drivers who were presumably evacuating themselves. And, as they were soon flooded, it was obvious that they weren't in a good position to be useful. It is your bias to interpret that as meaning the mayor was just being fussy.

If I were a policeman, I would be telling people how to hotwire cars, too. It's a matter of survival. I know they stole ammunition, some for themselves, and some to keep it out of the hands of criminals. But, the looting was exaggerated, and it's another distraction from Bush's failure. To say this was the reason for the lack of fed response is disingenuous.

I heard some police were joking with some chicks like it was Marti Gras, again, this minor lack of professionalism doesn't explain federal failures.

As far as the levees are concerned, I found this article posted by Imperfectionist previously to be enlightening:

"New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a direct hit from a hurricane. In fact, the federal government has been working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on major hurricane and flood relief efforts. When flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.

Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.

Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars. (Much of the research here is from Nexis, which is why some articles aren't linked.)

In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to this Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness:

The $750 million Lake Pontchartrain and Vicinity Hurricane Protection project is another major Corps project, which remains about 20% incomplete due to lack of funds, said Al Naomi, project manager. That project consists of building up levees and protection for pumping stations on the east bank of the Mississippi River in Orleans, St. Bernard, St. Charles and Jefferson parishes.

The Lake Pontchartrain project is slated to receive $3.9 million in the president's 2005 budget. Naomi said about $20 million is needed.

"The longer we wait without funding, the more we sink," he said. "I've got at least six levee construction contracts that need to be done to raise the levee protection back to where it should be (because of settling). Right now I owe my contractors about $5 million. And we're going to have to pay them interest."

That June, with the 2004 hurricane seasion starting, the Corps' Naomi went before a local agency, the East Jefferson Levee Authority, and essentially begged for $2 million for urgent work that Washington was now unable to pay for. From the June 18, 2004 Times-Picayune:

"The system is in great shape, but the levees are sinking. Everything is sinking, and if we don’t get the money fast enough to raise them, then we can’t stay ahead of the settlement," he said. "The problem that we have isn’t that the levee is low, but that the federal funds have dried up so that we can’t raise them."

The panel authorized that money, and on July 1, 2004, it had to pony up another $250,000 when it learned that stretches of the levee in Metairie had sunk by four feet. The agency had to pay for the work with higher property taxes. The levee board noted in October 2004 that the feds were also now not paying for a hoped-for $15 million project to better shore up the banks of Lake Pontchartrain.

The 2004 hurricane season, as you probably recall, was the worst in decades. In spite of that, the federal government came back this spring with the steepest reduction in hurricane- and flood-control funding for New Orleans in history. Because of the proposed cuts, the Corps office there imposed a hiring freeze. Officials said that money targeted for the SELA project -- $10.4 million, down from $36.5 million -- was not enough to start any new jobs. According to New Orleans CityBusiness this June 5:

The district has identified $35 million in projects to build and improve levees, floodwalls and pumping stations in St. Bernard, Orleans, Jefferson and St. Charles parishes. Those projects are included in a Corps line item called Lake Pontchartrain, where funding is scheduled to be cut from $5.7 million this year to $2.9 million in 2006. Naomi said it's enough to pay salaries but little else.

"We'll do some design work. We'll design the contracts and get them ready to go if we get the money. But we don't have the money to put the work in the field, and that's the problem," Naomi said.

There was, at the same time, a growing recognition that more research was needed to see what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. But once again, the money was not there. As the Times-Picayune reported last Sept. 22:

That second study would take about four years to complete and would cost about $4 million, said Army Corps of Engineers project manager Al Naomi. About $300,000 in federal money was proposed for the 2005 fiscal-year budget, and the state had agreed to match that amount.

But the cost of the Iraq war forced the Bush administration to order the New Orleans district office not to begin any new studies, and the 2005 budget no longer includes the needed money, he said.

The Senate was seeking to restore some of the SELA funding cuts for 2006. But now it's too late. One project that a contractor had been racing to finish this summer was a bridge and levee job right at the 17th Street Canal, site of the main breach. The levee failure appears to be causing a human tragedy of epic proportions:

"We probably have 80 percent of our city under water; with some sections of our city the water is as deep as 20 feet. Both airports are underwater," Mayor Ray Nagin told a radio interviewer.

Washington knew that this day could come at any time, and it knew the things that needed to be done to protect the citizens of New Orleans. But in the tradition of the riverboat gambler, the Bush administration decided to roll the dice on its fool's errand in Iraq, and on a tax cut that mainly benefitted the rich.

Can anyone tell me why American taxpayer money should have EVER been spent on fixiing the levees in New Orleans? And if you think you have a good explanation, then why is that same money not spent in the thousands of other areas of the nation for similar "safe-guards"? And why wasn't the feds active in Pensacola and in the rest of Florida when those hurricanes hit? ...twice!

Baron Max

School buses might not have been adequate, obviously it would be difficult to find the drivers who were presumably evacuating themselves.

Ahh, so if it was difficult, then Nagin is excused of any blame?? Or is that just so you can throw more of the blame onto President Bush and the feds?? ...LOL!

Baron Max

According to Sean, this is a time to forget poltiics and focus on the victims -- unless you are a cvonservative Republican, in which case it is also time to wail and moan about how liberals have yet again proved how awful they are by looking at this politically.

And what's worse is that idiots were calling up and agreeing with him.

They are so friggin stupid that they don't even see how ridiculous their glass-house hypocricy is.

I'm with you mikasa11. All the repubs spew is propaganda. They are all moronic children with a dim view of reality.

I would like to ask a question (and im sorry if this takes the thread off topic)

I was watching the news here and it was focusing on the 11\9 memorial services, most were no different from how we are comemerating the bail bombings but one service struck me as odd. It was a pro war rally that was surposed to bolster the moral of the troops in iraq because they had surposedly be sagging because of all the antiwar, waste of money, waste of lives ect rallys that have allegadly been happerning recently.

i was left with questions

1) how do the victoms\familys of victoms of the 11\9 feel about there remberence day being used to surport something totally different?
2) how would the victoms and there familys and the public in genral react if instead of a pro war rally they had organised an ANTI war rally for 11\9?

I just cant see why there wasnt outrage over this or was there and it wasnt reported here?

2) how would the victoms and there familys and the public in genral react if instead of a pro war rally they had organised an ANTI war rally for 11\9?I'd bet money that there was one, but, like you say, it wasn't reported there. Or here, most likely. america is a god-damned waste of hot air.


I just cant see why there wasnt outrage over this or was there and it wasnt reported here?In the pussification of america the great, outrage is a long-lost concept. Forgotten and never encouraged. america is a wasteland of emotion.

I'm with you mikasa11. All the repubs spew is propaganda. They are all moronic children with a dim view of reality.

hm.
yet were the party that is getting our way.
:D MAYBE WE ARE CHILDREN.
AND ITS EMBARRASING THAT OUR CHILD LEADER IS STILL OUR COUNTRY'S LEADER.




hate to tell you this, I really do, but...um...DONT CRY, god damnit please don't be upset or sad.
But if were so childish, how come YOU (representing the LIBERAL party) use childish insults such as moron? :confused:

o yea and by the way, if we were all children...how come you are the pussies?
You would think an "ADULT" would have a LITTLE BIT more balls, don't you think??

We are a wasteland of emotion?
Your a waste of god given talent.
Name one thing you have done in your life thats rememorable?
besides ..
-Put down our country
-Put down our troops
-Put down ANY basic form of vengence
-Living a pussy life, and calling us pussies??!??!

i will never understand you cottton, never in my life.
Nor will many other of us so-called-pussies.

I'd bet money that there was one, but, like you say, it wasn't reported there. Or here, most likely. america is a god-damned waste of hot air.

In the pussification of america the great, outrage is a long-lost concept. Forgotten and never encouraged. america is a wasteland of emotion.

Well, only pussies attack those who are smaller and weaker. cough<Iraq>cough

Well, only pussies attack those who are smaller and weaker. cough<Iraq>cough

Oh, didn't Saddam tell the Iraqi people that the sand would run red with American blood and that the powerful Iraqi army would drive the infidels back into the sea? Smaller and weaker? Apparently Saddam didn't think so and so took his nation to war .....which he could have easily prevented.

Baron Max

Cotton: In the pussification of america the great, outrage is a long-lost concept. Forgotten and never encouraged. america is a wasteland of emotion.

Wow! Good post!

Well, only pussies attack those who are smaller and weaker. cough<Iraq>cough
That's right, they thought it would be a cakewalk (although it has hyped in the media), especially since he had no navy or air force, and his army was decimated in the first gulf war.

... his army was decimated in the first gulf war.

His army was decimated in this war, too. Now we're just playing around with a few terrorists who are masquerading as "freedom fighters".

Baron Max

Their "playing around" is otherwise known as guerilla warfare, a technique that made us lose in Vietnam.

We are a wasteland of emotion?That's what I said.

Your a waste of god given talent.god gave Me nothing.

Name one thing you have done in your life thats rememorable?Too many to list for you, though I will, again, if you ask nicely.

-Put down our countryThat's my duty, if I deem it necessary, which I often do.

-Put down our troopsI know what the army is like. Do you? Besides, when have I ever put down our troops? Do you still think it impossible to call our commander-in-chief a pussy-beyond-compare while at the same time respecting our troops?

-Put down ANY basic form of vengenceYou can't be serious. I "put down" ANY basic form of "moronic" vengeance.

-Living a pussy life, and calling us pussies??!??!What the fuck are you talking about, fucktard?


i will never understand you cottton, never in my life.You will, when you grow up a little. Trust me. Do I sound a little like your daddy?

"You can support the troops but not the president" - Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

- N

"You can support the troops but not the president" - Representative Tom Delay (R-TX) - NAt least he's gotten one thing right. Overall, though, he's an idiot.

School buses might not have been adequate, obviously it would be difficult to find the drivers who were presumably evacuating themselves. And, as they were soon flooded, it was obvious that they weren't in a good position to be useful. It is your bias to interpret that as meaning the mayor was just being fussy.

Your argument falls flat on its face. You argue that school buses might not have been adequate because "obviously it would be difficult to find the drivers who were presumably evacuating themselves." So you think it is more logical and "adequate" for Greyhound bus drivers to come in from other areas of the country and risk their own lives in order to drive people out of NOLA? That makes "more sense" and is "more adequate"?

It makes MUCH MORE sense for local NOLA school bus drivers (who are on their way out anyway) to help evacuate people out of NOLA while helping themselves at the same time. It would have been much harder to bring in Greyhounds than to send out School Buses.


Than you make another incredibly idiotic and irrational comment. "And, as they were soon flooded, it was obvious that they weren't in a good position to be useful." How the hell can you write that and believe it yourself? The buses would never have been flooded if they had been put to use in the first place! If they had all been Greyhound buses, but Nagin demanded School Buses instead, and as a consequence the Greyhounds flooded, would you still say that "it was obvious that they weren't in a good position to be useful"?


Now, if Nagin had utilized the buses he had available, but ran into problems with them and called for Greyhound buses to replace them, that would be acceptable in my opinion. The fact that he didn't even bother with the school buses in the first place shows me that Ray Nagin is incompetent and an irresponsible, pompous fool. And you are an idiot for denying this. I'm not the one who is biased, you are.


Please respond! I would love to hear your response.

My response.

Typical human idiocy. Nagin. Governor cunt. President coward.