I recently learned that being seriously obese is now considered a disability.


Specifically it was the handicapped parking spots now being available to the extremely overweight

Should it be allowed? Isn't (in 95% of the cases) Obesity under the control of the individual. Overweight people can eat healthier and excercise more. But people with Cerebral Palsy can't just make some lifestyle changes and be all good.



Opinions?

I know it is pathetic


The people who need the aerobic excercise most are the ones who get the parking spots designed specfically to limit it.

Haha, sorry(wow that was a fast reply!), I deleted the post after I realized you said "extremely" but I'll repost it so people don't think your insane:

"Ridiculous.

There's going to be no handicap parking left in this country for the people who can't HELP being unable to walk.

Instead of enabling fat people, how 'bouts we show them a bit of tough love and designate spots for "fat parking" at the way far end of lots?"

The people who need the aerobic excercise most are the ones who get the parking spots designed specfically to limit it.


Instead of enabling fat people, how 'bouts we show them a bit of tough love and designate spots for "fat parking" at the way far end of lots?"

Heh, touche.

- N

Waddlers rule. Try passing one in the grocery isle.

By giving the morbidly obese advantages, we only encourage their behavior. I believe (and know) getting thin is only a matter of willpower and determination. Not so with fixing Down Syndrome.

So you think simply making them exercise will do the trick? Walking those few extra steps is the key to being skinny? Ermm ok.

What of those who are confined to a wheel chair? Would you have their wheel chairs taken from them? You do realise that disabled spots are specifically designed for people using wheel chairs, so forcing them to use normal parking spaces may result in their not even being able to get out of the car.

Do you all honestly believe that someone is obese simply because they have no self control when it comes to food? Ermm ok. They can range from being genetic and hereditary to being environmental, physical and physiological as well as psychological. Were you aware for example that damage to the hypothalamus can result in the indivdual not being able to regulate their apetite?

So what about those who are grossly obese and it is not caused by simply eating too much and a lack of self control? Do you make them pay for what you perceive to be their over-eating? Will you make someone who suffers from a genetic disorder which has resulted in their being pre-disposed to becoming obese walk because you think the fatties need to walk it off? Do you think any amount of "determination and will power" will somehow make them skinny when their obesity is a direct cause of their genetic dispositon?

Do you make them pay for what you perceive to be their over-eating?

Do grocery stores give food away for free?

Does eating too much affect the brain, the capacity to reason?

So you think simply making them exercise will do the trick? Walking those few extra steps is the key to being skinny? Ermm ok.
it might do more good than you think.
not only will they be forced to walk the entire lot they will think twice about getting those twinkies.


Do you all honestly believe that someone is obese simply because they have no self control when it comes to food?
i honestly believe they consume more calories than they burn.
can you deny that?

Were you aware for example that damage to the hypothalamus can result in the indivdual not being able to regulate their apetite?
ever hear of hormone replacement therapy?

So what about those who are grossly obese and it is not caused by simply eating too much and a lack of self control? Do you make them pay for what you perceive to be their over-eating?
i'm sorry bells but i have no problem with calling a pig a pig.
wanna feel sorry for me cause i choke my head off and smoke 2 packs a day?


Will you make someone who suffers from a genetic disorder which has resulted in their being pre-disposed to becoming obese walk because you think the fatties need to walk it off?
there is one and only one reason for obesity and i stated it at the begining.

Do you think any amount of "determination and will power" will somehow make them skinny when their obesity is a direct cause of their genetic dispositon?
see above.

it might do more good than you think.
not only will they be forced to walk the entire lot they will think twice about getting those twinkies.


i honestly believe they consume more calories than they burn.
can you deny that?

ever hear of hormone replacement therapy?

i'm sorry bells but i have no problem with calling a pig a pig.
wanna feel sorry for me cause i choke my head off and smoke 2 packs a day?


there is one and only one reason for obesity and i stated it at the begining.

see above.

1. No it won't, if people are already severely obese, their cardiovascular and respiratory systems are compromised and they cannot actually exert themselves easily. They'll just find other ways of getting food.

You only need to eat one slice of bread extra for 10 years to gain twenty pounds. The mystery is not why some people are obese, the mystery is why everyone is not. Lack of activity is a serious factor, but genetics and metabolism also play an important role. Poor nutrition in the form of energy dense foods and poor education regarding food choices also play an important role.

2. Burning more calories than you consume is not as easy as you think.
Especially when a majority of the diet consists of energy dense foods and lifestyle is sedentary.

3. Hormone replacement therapy is not feasible when hormones are in excess, only when they are deficient. High cortisol levels lead to obesity. How would you replace cortisol in the body?

4. Its interesting that you compare obesity to smoking. Food addiction also requires therapy and treatment, which includes but is not limited to exercise.

5. That said overweight people can generally reduce and maintain their weight through exercise. Morbid obesity on the other hand is a medical condition.

Do you all honestly believe that someone is obese simply because they have no self control when it comes to food? Ermm ok. They can range from being genetic and hereditary to being environmental, physical and physiological as well as psychological. ...

Interesting. Does that mean that none of those problems occur in places like Ethiopia and the Sudan and in central Africa?

Researchers should go to those places to find a "cure" for obesity, huh?

Oh, wait, we already have a "cure", don't we? It's called don't eat so fuckin' much and you won't get fatter'n a pig!

Bells, ye're just makin' excuses for the fat-asses of the world. Admit it! Just like many people make excuses for murderers and violent rapists.

Baron Max

Interesting. Does that mean that none of those problems occur in places like Ethiopia and the Sudan and in central Africa?

Researchers should go to those places to find a "cure" for obesity, huh?

Oh, wait, we already have a "cure", don't we? It's called don't eat so fuckin' much and you won't get fatter'n a pig!

Bells, ye're just makin' excuses for the fat-asses of the world. Admit it! Just like many people make excuses for murderers and violent rapists.

Baron Max

What happens to Sudanese and Ethiopans who move to the West?

cough, cough, hack, choke, gag, cough, hach, gag, can't breath, help, choke, gag, cough, hack, please, someone feel sorry for me, cough, choke, gag, hack, cough, choke, cough

cough, cough, hack, choke, gag, cough, hach, gag, can't breath, help, choke, gag, cough, hack, please, someone feel sorry for me, cough, choke, gag, hack, cough, choke, cough

Ignorance is no excuse for self-pity.
http://www.qualityoflife.org/bariatric/causes-of-morbid-obesity.cfm

Causes of Morbid Obesity
The reasons for obesity are multiple and complex. Despite conventional wisdom, it is not simply a result of overeating. Research has shown that in many cases a significant, underlying cause of morbid obesity is genetic. Studies have demonstrated that once the problem is established, efforts such as dieting and exercise programs have a limited ability to provide effective long-term relief.

http://www.obesity.org/subs/fastfacts/morbidobesity.shtml


Treatment

The role of genetics in causing obesity is being explored for development of future drug treatments that could specifically target certain genes.

Surgery is currently the most effective treatment for morbid obesity resulting in significant weight loss and accompanying health improvements. The benefits of surgery are typically viewed to outweigh the risks. The overall mortality rate is about 1 percent. An appropriate nutrition and exercise plan is an important part of post-surgical weight loss and maintenance.

After surgery mortality rate is reduced and improvements seen to numerous health risks of obesity or symptoms of those risks. Overall, quality of life, self-image, mobility and stamina are reported to be better. The list in Table 4 indicates some of the health improvements found in various systems of the body.

Discrimination

Persons with obesity are victims of employment and other discrimination, and are penalized for their condition despite many federal and state laws and policies.

The most disturbing type of discrimination is within the medical community either from insurance providers or healthcare workers. Some health insurance providers realize the serious health effects of morbid obesity and cost benefits of its treatment. Some providers continue to deny insurance coverage, and some that once offered coverage of surgery for morbid obesity are now excluding it.

Discrimination from healthcare workers is reported to be likely due to a lack of understanding of the causes and consequences if left untreated. Teaching medical students about obesity management, including sensitivity training, is one direction that may lead toward improvement.

Ignorance is no excuse for self-pity.
http://www.qualityoflife.org/bariatric/causes-of-morbid-obesity.cfm

the fact of the matter is this:
fat people consume more calories than they burn, period.

the fact of the matter is this:
fat people consume more calories than they burn, period.

So why don't they burn as many calories as other non-fat people?

Or why do they consume more?


Genetic Factors
Numerous scientific studies have established that your genes play an important role in your tendency to gain excess weight.

* The body weight of adopted children shows no correlation with the body weight of their adoptive parents, who feed them and teach them how to eat. Their weight does have an 80 percent correlation with their genetic parents, whom they have never met.
* Identical twins, with the same genes, show a much higher similarity of body weights than do fraternal twins, who have different genes.
* Certain groups of people, such as the Pima Indian tribe in Arizona, have a very high incidence of severe obesity. They also have significantly higher rates of diabetes and heart disease than other ethnic groups.

We probably have a number of genes directly related to weight. Just as some genes determine eye color or height, others affect our appetite, our ability to feel full or satisfied, our metabolism, our fat-storing ability, and even our natural activity levels.

So why don't they burn as many calories as other non-fat people?

Or why do they consume more?
i'm not a fat person so i don't know.

i also feel that a person shouldn't have to run their ass off.

but the facts still remain.

maybe with intervention at birth people will be able to deal with obesety that has a genetic cause. in these cases the person doesn't know they are prone until it's too late to really change their eating habits.

i'm not a fat person so i don't know.

i also feel that a person shouldn't have to run their ass off.

but the facts still remain.

maybe with intervention at birth people will be able to deal with obesety that has a genetic cause. in these cases the person doesn't know they are prone until it's too late to really change their eating habits.

Changing eating habits does not work for all forms of obesity. The body just drops its basal metabolic rate (the rate at which it maintains itself), conserving the same amount of energy and making activity even more difficult.

Indeed, if obesity is a form of disabilty because of sickness, it then reasonable to suppose that a nation with a very high incidence of obesity is a very sick nation. The first propostion makes sense only to the extent that the second is also conceded.

Chronic dietary habits are environmental pressures which select for genes that can survive them.

e.g.The African diaspora is made up of individuals genetically adapted to environments with poor dietary resources.

Putting them in an environment of diet surplus puts environmental pressure on genes less adapted for food surplus ie hunger and satiety mechanisms, energy conservation and use are all directed towards an environment where food is scarce. This is the reason why immigrant populations from countries where starvation is the norm, tend to get overweight at an accelerated rate as compared to local populations.

The rapid changes in eating habits over the last 50 years accompanied by changes in lifestyle are contributors to the obesity epidemic in the country, but the underlying causes are genetic.

Putting them in an environment of diet surplus puts environmental pressure on genes less adapted for food surplus ie hunger and satiety mechanisms, energy conservation and use are all directed towards an environment where food is scarce. This is the reason why immigrant populations from countries where starvation is the norm, tend to get overweight at an accelerated rate as compared to local populations.


I seem to recall some recent research about overweight Danes... I think it was Danes... There is an epidemic of overweight Danes because their mothers were pregnant with them during the end of WWII when food was scarce in the region. This set their bodies up to be far more conservative in metabolism. It sucks every last calorie from their food rather than being wasteful.

I was not aware of this.

Please supply, refer to, or link to statistical details.

The best literature is on the Pima Indians, who have been studied extensively.
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/53/6/1577S
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=7988310&dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8981960&dopt=Abstract

Other data is through epidemiological studies:
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/292/23/2860

And distribution of obesity by race:

African American, Hispanic American and Native American children and adolescents have particularly high obesity prevalence.
* Among female youth, the highest overweight and obesity prevalence is found in black (non-Hispanic) girls (ages 6 to 11), 37.6 percent and 22.2 percent respectively, and black (non-Hispanic) adolescent females (ages 12 to 19), 45.5 percent and 26.6 percent respectively.
* Among male youth, the highest overweight and obesity prevalence is found in Mexican American boys (ages 6 to 11), 43 percent and 27.3 percent respectively, and Mexican American adolescent males (ages 12 to 19), 44.2 percent and 27.5 percent respectively.
* Overweight prevalence for Native American children and adolescents (ages 5 to 17) was reported in a 1999 study as 39 percent for males and 38 percent for females in the Aberdeen area Indian Health Service.
* Asian American adolescents (ages 13 to 18) were reported to have an overweight prevalence of 20.6 percent in the 1996 National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health.
* Asian-American and Hispanic-American adolescents born in the U.S. to immigrant parents are more than twice as likely to be overweight as foreign born adolescents who move to the U.S.


http://www.obesity.org/subs/fastfacts/obesity_youth.shtml

I seem to recall some recent research about overweight Danes... I think it was Danes... There is an epidemic of overweight Danes because their mothers were pregnant with them during the end of WWII when food was scarce in the region. This set their bodies up to be far more conservative in metabolism. It sucks every last calorie from their food rather than being wasteful.

Thanks for the reminder. That is a classic study

Its called the thrifty gene hypothesis:


The thrifty gene hypothesis is a hypothesis proposed in 1962 by geneticist James Neel to explain the tendency of certain ethnic groups to tend towards obesity and diabetes.[1] It postulates that certain genes in humans have evolved to maximise metabolic efficiency and food searching behaviour, and that in times of abundance these genes predispose their carriers to diseases caused by excess nutritional intake, such as obesity.

It follows from the theory that ethnic groups with a history of food scarcity will have undergone a relatively high evolutionary pressure and hence may harbor more thrifty genes than other populations.

It is often cited alongside the thrifty phenotype hypothesis (or Barker hypothesis)[2] as an explanation for progressive prevalence of obesity in the Western world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrifty_gene_hypothesis

These posts make me hungry. I am going to eat something...

The US is the fattest nation on Earth!! Again, something we are #1 in....

it might do more good than you think.
not only will they be forced to walk the entire lot they will think twice about getting those twinkies.


And if they are unable to walk, but need to use a wheelchair? Or if they simply aren't able to walk that far? What then? Discriminate against them for being "fat" and tell them if they can't walk to the food tough titties? What if their doctor is in the mall? Deny them the ability to visit their physician because you think fat people should simply walk it off?

My my, aren't you a caring individual. Hey I know! Maybe you can use a taser on them each time they try to eat something.:rolleyes:


i honestly believe they consume more calories than they burn.
can you deny that?
Some might. Some might not do so willingly or knowingly. As I stated before, if the hypothalamus is somehow damaged, the individual may not be able to tell they are full or that their body has consumed enough and they can keep on eating. But no matter how much they eat, they will never feel full due to the neurological damage they may have suffered in the past. Do you think they are to blame? After all, when you and I eat, we know when we're full and we stop. But some people don't have that luxury. The result can lead to morbid obesity. You may think it's easier to just blame them for being greedy or eating too much, but they have absolutely no control over it. They cannot tell when their body has had enough and needs to burn off that energy. But hey, you just punish them for something they have no control over if it makes you feel better.

For example, people with Cushing's Disease can suffer from morbid obesity due to the increased excretion of the cortisol by the adrenal gland. Cortisol helps regulate how the body metabolises proteins, carbohydrates and fats. They have absolutely no control over it.


ever hear of hormone replacement therapy?
Does not always work and sometimes it is diagnosed too late. So you wish to blame that on the patient as well?


i'm sorry bells but i have no problem with calling a pig a pig.
wanna feel sorry for me cause i choke my head off and smoke 2 packs a day?

Do you suffer from a genetic disorder which has resulted in your smoking? No. And how nice of you to refer to someone who is sick and could possibly die from their disease, a pig. You're just full of compassion aren't you?:rolleyes: Do you think someone who has a genetic disorder is a pig? Oh yeah wait, for you if they just eat too much, they're a pig right? Too bad if their body simply cannot break down the foods properly due to their genetic disposition. Too bad if they suffer from a disease such as asthma and have to be put on steroid treatment and that has resulted in their gaining weight and becoming obese.. they're just a pig right?


there is one and only one reason for obesity and i stated it at the begining.
Really? All I saw was a complete lack of understanding and education on the matter. You just think they ate too much and are pigs. It's a shame you have refused to even acknowledge that some obese people have no control over their metabolic rate or they may be suffering from an illness whose medication results in their gross weight gain, or they may suffer from a genetic disorder. You simply equate fat with eating too much and leave it at that. You think making them walk that little bit extra will make them lose weight when it will not. More power too you.

When I see extremely obese people it makes me feel sick, the very ugliness of it offends me.

When I see extremely obese people it makes me feel sick, the very ugliness of it offends me.

You need therapy.

You need therapy.

Like some kind of dog to be trained?

Woof woof, and beware of the bite, bitch.

Like some kind of dog to be trained?

Woof woof, and beware of the bite, bitch.

Don't get lippy with me, kid.
Behave :mad:

Don't get lippy with me, kid. Behave :mad:

Nor am I your kid, impudent infant.

Nor am I your kid, impudent infant.

That is too pathetic to bother with a riposte.:p

I am the 50 foot tall nit you pick in your dreams but not here, the rodent with the bite of a crocodile that came back to haunt you.

I am the 50 foot tall nit you pick in your dreams but not here, the rodent with the bite of a crocodile that came back to haunt you.

I behead rodents for a living.:bugeye:

My my, aren't you a caring individual. Hey I know! Maybe you can use a taser on them each time they try to eat something.:rolleyes:

sweet jesus.
alright bells i've just been diagnosed with emphysema because of my tobacco use. gonna feel sorry for me? or are you going to say "well you knew the dangers"? should i have the right to sue because of my stupidity? should you or your family have to pay for it? or to listen people who play on others emotions?

You need therapy.

So if someone doesn't like someone else, they need therapy?

Or are you saying that to truthfully admit not liking someone is a sign of needing therapy? I.e., telling the truth is bad, lying is good?

Baron Max

So if someone doesn't like someone else, they need therapy?

Or are you saying that to truthfully admit not liking someone is a sign of needing therapy? I.e., telling the truth is bad, lying is good?

Baron Max

No because he said he feels sick.

No because he said he feels sick.

Do you feel sick to consume a surfeit of salt?

I have heard tell that salt is an effective therapy when the Devil is about.

I feel well enough when well enough away from obese idiots, with nothing more than that required, no unsolicited psychiatric diagnosis or motherly condescention required, thank you very much.

Do you feel sick to consume a surfeit of salt?

I have heard tell that salt is an effective therapy when the Devil is about.

I feel well enough when well enough away from obese idiots, with nothing more than that required, no unsolicited psychiatric diagnosis or motherly condescention required, thank you very much.

Denial is not a river in Egypt.

I behead rodents for a living.:bugeye:
according to your post count you don't have a life sam.

Denial is not a river in Egypt.

Discrimination is not denial.

Discrimination is not denial.

No its merely phobia, presenting as revulsion.

No its merely phobia, presenting as revulsion.

Maybe one day you'll find a rat of your own size to pick on, and then begin to get it.

No its merely phobia, presenting as revulsion.

Maybe one day you'll find a rat of your own size to pick on, and then begin to get it.

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And that is gratuitous abuse, presented as B.S.

Education is a liberating experience. You should try it sometimes.;)


A number of terms with the suffix -phobia are primarily understood as negative attitudes towards certain categories of people or other things, used in an analogy with the medical usage of the term. Usually these kinds of "phobias" are described as fear, dislike, disapproval, prejudice, hatred, discrimination, or hostility towards the object of the "phobia". Often this attitude is based on prejudices and is a particular case of general xenophobia.

So if you feel physically sick at the sight of obese people, it is a clinical condition.

Therapy is useful for re-conditioning.

Education is a liberating experience. You should try it sometimes.;)

So if you feel physically sick at the sight of obese people, it is a clinical condition.

Therapy is useful for re-conditioning.

Carry on with that attitude and sooner or later somebody's going to recondition you with a good hard smack in the face.

Carry on with that attitude and sooner or later somebody's going to recondition you with a good hard smack in the face.

I'd like to see anyone try it.

“If you can't ignore an insult, top it; if you can't top it, laugh it off; and if you can't laugh it off, it's probably deserved.”

I'd like to see anyone try it.


In which case you likely will.

Such a manner betrays the mind of an impudent slut, not an education.

In which case you likely will.

Such a manner betrays the mind of an impudent slut, not an education.

Such a mind?

The one that points out the conditioning influences that may affect your propensity to sickness at the sight of a person who may be suffering a medical condition that is beyond their control?

Your comments are off topic and have degenerated to insults while I am still posting on topic with regards to discrimination against the obese.

As far as I can see, you obviously have issues where maturity, prejudice and control are concerned. As such it would appear to be a waste of time to attempt communicating with you.

I leave you to your hand wringing and rants.

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the artificial intelectualision of a natural, instinctive revulsion.


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9901EED6143DF932A35756C0A9629C8B 63&sec=health&pagewanted=print

http://www.healingthehumanspirit.com/pages/body_img.htm

http://savageminds.org/2006/04/09/a-thin-hypothesis-about-fat-people/

alright people, enough.
let's get back to the discussion.

alright people, enough.
let's get back to the discussion.

I already did.;)

The underlying problem of obesity is genetics? Wtf?

It's environment. Where were the fat Americans 20-30 years ago? Yeah, sure. Genes can be contributors. People do have "famine genes," that's true. But do famine genes really make people fat? Yes, but only under unnatural and unhealthy lifestyles consisting of little exercise and bad diet. Famine genes are good, damnit. Don't blame the genes. Blame yourself.

The underlying problem of obesity is genetics? Wtf?

It's environment. Where were the fat Americans 20-30 years ago? Yeah, sure. Genes can be contributors. People do have "famine genes," that's true. But do famine genes really make people fat? Yes, but only under unnatural and unhealthy lifestyles consisting of little exercise and bad diet. Famine genes are good, damnit. Don't blame the genes. Blame yourself.

If a child is born to a mother who is undernourished the child has a greater probability of getting overweight or obese with normal diet intake.

This is known as fetal conditioning or fetal programming.

It also makes the child more prone to diseases associated with obesity such as diabetes and ischemic heart disease, at an earlier age.

http://jp.physoc.org/cgi/content/full/547/1/3

edit: undernourished does not necessarily mean a diet lacking in energy. It could also be a diet lacking in essential nutrients or a diet that produces stress and increases the mothers stress hormones.

e.g. women who are diabetic can produce overweight babies due to the high sugar levels. Such children are likely to be overweight and may easily progress to obesity.

Another important point is that such phenotypes once established appear to be passed on to future generations.

Yes, okay. There are reasons for people to be fat, I'll give you that. But do you really want to bet that undernourished mothers and famine genes are responsible for the widespread, pervasive nature of obesity in the western world? Does that really make sense at all?

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Yes, okay. There are reasons for people to be fat, I'll give you that. But do you really want to bet that undernourished mothers and famine genes are responsible for the widespread, pervasive nature of obesity in the western world? Does that really make sense at all?

Undernourished does not mean thin, it means lacking in nourishment. Women who eat high calorie diets with "empty calories" (lacking in essential nutrients) are as undernourished as those from countries where women are subject to starvation.

The fetus adapts to conserve nutrients in a milieu where such nutrients are lacking or deficient. This leads to an adaptive response to conserve nutrients (either specific or general) to a greater extent than normal. Not much is known about micronutrient satiety. It is possible that people who are lacking micronutrients may eat more in an attempt to reach optimal levels of a micronutrient that is essential but deficient in the diet (which may not be deficient in calories). This phenomenon is known as specific satiety and is not currently well understood.

so, what is the solution?
education and a better diet that's what.

so, what is the solution?
education and a better diet that's what.

Hard to say, we're getting more sedentary, our food more refined. When was the last time you had a home cooked meal that had nothing processed in it?

When was the last time you had a home cooked meal that had nothing processed in it?
you are talking about home grown fruits and vegetables and cows/chickens.
it's been awhile, like about 30 years or so.

i wonder, could geneticly modified produce be causing some obesity?

you are talking about home grown fruits and vegetables and cows/chickens.
it's been awhile, like about 30 years or so.

i wonder, could geneticly modified produce be causing some obesity?

Problem is we still don't know very much about the metabolism of nutrients in the body, their functions and consequences of excess and deficiency at the microlevel.

But hey, eventually we'll figure it out. In the meanwhile, its all trial and error; and the science helps us to know at least where we are going wrong, even if as of now, it cannot tell us what is the right thing to do.

GM foods are a whole new scenario. I'm not up to date with my food tech so I could not really comment on the effects. But its an interesting question and worth looking into.

sweet jesus.
alright bells i've just been diagnosed with emphysema because of my tobacco use. gonna feel sorry for me? or are you going to say "well you knew the dangers"? should i have the right to sue because of my stupidity? should you or your family have to pay for it? or to listen people who play on others emotions?
I'll feel sorry for you while thinking "you knew the dangers", while thinking the right to sue would be something you'd need to discuss with your lawyers, and thinking how much the government does allocate to sufferers of emphysema and hope you're not going to cry on my shoulder because for some stupid reason, pregnancy has made me into one of those people who cries if I see anyone else crying.


Carry on with that attitude and sooner or later somebody's going to recondition you with a good hard smack in the face.
Beg yours?


Such a manner betrays the mind of an impudent slut, not an education.
My aren't you a charmer.

So educated women are sluts to you? Interesting.

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Should it be allowed?
Not only should it be allowed, they should get free electric wheelchairs. But first we need to raise taxes to provide faster rescue to mountain climbers stuck in crevasses.

Not only should it be allowed, they should get free electric wheelchairs. But first we need to raise taxes to provide faster rescue to mountain climbers stuck in crevasses.

I was sad when they found James' body, too.:(

I was sad when they found James' body, too.

Why? Did you know him?

And have you considered the cost of the rescue? How many little kids died because they didn't have enough money for shots or hospital care or food? And yet we, the taxpayers, spent a fuckin' fortune trying to save three men who were on a little vacation!

Those three vacationers' rescue efforts cost the lives of many ...so does that mean the those three vacationers' lives were more valuable than the lives of hundreds of little kids?? Kinda' puts a different perspective on things, don't it?

Baron Max

I suppose mountain climbers could be required to bring a $50 two-way radio with them. But then it wouldn't be as risky, and they like the risk. Much better that we search for them when they get in trouble. Just like we should help the obese to become more obese in any way we can. Really anyone with an addiction should be given more opportunity to indulge in it, at taxpayer expense. Addictions are disabilities after all.

I'll feel sorry for you while thinking "you knew the dangers", while thinking the right to sue would be something you'd need to discuss with your lawyers, and thinking how much the government does allocate to sufferers of emphysema and hope you're not going to cry on my shoulder because for some stupid reason, pregnancy has made me into one of those people who cries if I see anyone else crying.
bullshit bells.
befor i signed up on this board you would've cared less if you read my obituary and it said i was eaten alive by a meat grinder.

bullshit bells.
befor i signed up on this board you would've cared less if you read my obituary and it said i was eaten alive by a meat grinder.
If I read your orbituary and it said you had been ground up by a meat grinder, I'd think 'poor man.. what a nasty way to go'.

What's your point?

If I read your orbituary and it said you had been ground up by a meat grinder, I'd think 'poor man.. what a nasty way to go'.

What's your point?

You just made his point, Bells!

Baron Max

You just made his point, Bells!

Baron Max
exactly.

And after you signed up for this board how would that change?

Would your obit read leopold99?

You just made his point, Bells!

Baron Max


exactly.

I'd suggest you read what I said again and this time read it slowly.

Do you think I'd simply shrug and say 'meh'? No, I'd actually feel sorry for anyone who died that way or any other horrible way, through either accident or illness. How could you not? What kind of person is that uncaring?

We're not all as uncaring as you might think. But then I guess that's the whole point of this thread isn't it? Some care and others do not.

i am sorry sam for calling you names.

You're too sensitive.

Don't worry, I have a hide like a rhino.:p

No, I'd actually feel sorry for anyone who died that way or any other horrible way, through either accident or illness.

But see, if you didn't know, then you wouldn't care, right? I.e., you don't care enough to know all of those people, so you depend on the news to tell you who died .....so you can THEN feel sorrow and sympathy and empathy! Geez, ain't that a kick in the head?! ...LOL!


How could you not? What kind of person is that uncaring?

People didn't give one solitary shit about the people of Indonesia BEFORE the disasterous tsunami, did they? No, of course not ...because they probably didn't evn know they existed. Yet as soon as the tsunami strikes, everyone CLAIMS that the care ....while they still go out to dinner and celebrate something in their own lives, or go the movies, or some other form of personal entertainment.

Caring? Sympathy? Empathy? No, Bells, it's what people SAY, not what they actually feel. Check the dollars spent for entertainment during the tsunami or the New Orleans disaster ...you'll see pretty quickly just how much people really cared.

What about the people in that village in Iran that was struck by the earthquake, Bells? Did you know that those people are still, after all these years, living in the hell that was left by the earthquake? And you claim that you care??


We're not all as uncaring as you might think. But then I guess that's the whole point of this thread isn't it? Some care and others do not.

No, Bells, it only shows what people claim, not what they actually feel or think. There's a big difference. I've just grown tired of lying about it, and tell it like it is ....and people like you denigrate me for it, even though most of you actually feel exactly the same way.

Baron Max

*sigh* I mean that if we read your obit, how would we know it was yours?:rolleyes:

Well, if you didn't know, then you couldn't really care, could you? Or do you read all of the obits in the paper, then sit down for a few minutes of sympathy and caring for each person listed?

And what do you do when people die and aren't even listed? Do you still give them a few minutes of your valuable time for sympathy and caring?

Did you know that someone in the world died while you read this post? Did you mourn for them all individually?

Baron Max

Well, if you didn't know, then you couldn't really care, could you? Or do you read all of the obits in the paper, then sit down for a few minutes of sympathy and caring for each person listed?

And what do you do when people die and aren't even listed? Do you still give them a few minutes of your valuable time for sympathy and caring?

Did you know that someone in the world died while you read this post? Did you mourn for them all individually?

Baron Max

Do you understand what you are saying?

Do you even read the posts?

Why do you post since it is obvious you don't really care about anything one way or another?

:D

Now read all my posts again carefully and try and figure out what I was saying.