With the broad spectrum of behaviors displayed by different religions, with Amish on one end and Islamic extremists on the other, how safe are we?

It ain't difficult to foresee a scenario where a scientist has an ability to built a nuclear warhead and the belief that he'll get 72 virgins. How do theists propose to solve this, and also the widespread Christians vs Jews vs Muslims conflict, if they wish religion to benefit and not destroy the world?

Thoughts.

Yes, you should be afraid! And in order to deal with that fear, you should come up with imaginary solutions, like an angry skydaddy!

:shrug:

Yes, you should be afraid! And in order to deal with that fear, you should come up with imaginary solutions, like an angry skydaddy!

:shrug:

How will that benefit anyone?
:scratchin:

You'll feel good about yourself.

it will help cure fear

you should come up with imaginary solutions, like an angry skydaddy!


Actually you can come up with some very good solutions that can help you to overcome fear. Since there are many types of fear you need to just try to put a solution to each of them as you encounter them along lifes highway. As an example if you are afraid of being arrested you should find a good attorney to ask questions to if you ever need one that way you'll have one solution as to how to alleviate this fear. Then you could just try to avoid being incarcerated to prevent that fear from happening to begin with. Familiarizing yourself with the laws where you live and how the court system works is always enlightening to resolve fear about jail. What your rights are is important as well so remember that you have certain rights that can be invoked to help you if you need them. So by understanding something about what you fear and finding out ways to get over those fears will lead you to a healthier way of life. :)

"The only thing to fear, is fear itself."

With the broad spectrum of behaviors displayed by different religions, with Amish on one end and Islamic extremists on the other, how safe are we?

It ain't difficult to foresee a scenario where a scientist has an ability to built a nuclear warhead and the belief that he'll get 72 virgins. How do theists propose to solve this, and also the widespread Christians vs Jews vs Muslims conflict, if they wish religion to benefit and not destroy the world?

Thoughts.
I think your belief is more dangerous if you think nuclear warhead manufacture is safe on the proviso that the peak body doesn't entertain the notion of getting 72 virgins

This is a serious issue guys, delusions won't help anyone. And how do theists propose to face this rather stern problem?


light,

Be more coherent.

This is a serious issue guys, delusions won't help anyone.

How would you know?
According to you, they've helped people deal with difficult things (such a fear of death) for millenia, so why not continue?



And how do theists propose to face this rather stern problem?

That's easy: They will put their faith in God.



Be more coherent.

You mean less coherent?

This is a serious issue guys, delusions won't help anyone. And how do theists propose to face this rather stern problem?


light,

Be more coherent.
If you think that the main problem with the proliferation of nuclear warheads is that they may fall into the hands of the religious, I don't think you have seriously thought about the nature of nuclear warhead proliferation

With the broad spectrum of behaviors displayed by different religions, with Amish on one end and Islamic extremists on the other, how safe are we?

It ain't difficult to foresee a scenario where a scientist has an ability to built a nuclear warhead and the belief that he'll get 72 virgins. How do theists propose to solve this, and also the widespread Christians vs Jews vs Muslims conflict, if they wish religion to benefit and not destroy the world?

Thoughts.

i can believe extreme religionist trying to encourage end times..
i can believe extreme religionist trying to take over the world..

by default most all religions have an end time scenario.

so it isn't a problem to be solved but to accept..

i also believe that there are extreme religionist that are trying to solve/prevent/delay end times..

so to address theist with this question, the question becomes;
which group would you be with? (delay vs help end times)

Praying…

Useless.

Even as we speak, kills are routinely approved each and every day by the CIA, DIA, WIA, and MI7, stabbing terrorist in their heart and heartlands everywhere. This has much increased since 9/11 but was always going on in the military, as back in 1970 when I worked for the DIA as a soldier-operative in the Indochina era, my base in Hawaii but the field in Cambodia where we went after the Klemmer Rouge who were killing all the doctors and professionals. Of course no one knew about this or Nixon’s bombing of Cambodia and Laos that he kept secret from Congress.

And yet, nowadays, a nuke could still slip through, and that’s what this story is about:

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2743430&postcount=12

Forgiveness through understanding the nature of belief can happen even while the clash is being dealt with. In the U.S. we have freedom of religion and worship and yet church and state are separate. The believers will still lobby the government, regardless, and that is even expected, but they may not get far, although they could, via the Republican party, by installing more believers into the government. Other governments, like Iran’s have the clergy and the rulers being one and the same.

With the broad spectrum of behaviors displayed by different religions, with Amish on one end and Islamic extremists on the other, how safe are we?

It ain't difficult to foresee a scenario where a scientist has an ability to built a nuclear warhead and the belief that he'll get 72 virgins. How do theists propose to solve this, and also the widespread Christians vs Jews vs Muslims conflict, if they wish religion to benefit and not destroy the world?

Thoughts.


Excuse me what do you mean Jews Vs Muslims, It's Zionist Edomites and convert Gentiles Vs Islam.

Peace.

How would you know?
According to you, they've helped people deal with difficult things (such a fear of death) for millenia, so why not continue?


Will they(delusions) help the jihad promoters and suicide bombers not to destroy the only planet we know that can harbor life?




That's easy: They will put their faith in God.

And destroy the future. When was the last time god did something helpful for humanity?



You mean less coherent?

Exactly:o

i can believe extreme religionist trying to encourage end times..
i can believe extreme religionist trying to take over the world..

by default most all religions have an end time scenario.

so it isn't a problem to be solved but to accept..

i also believe that there are extreme religionist that are trying to solve/prevent/delay end times..

so to address theist with this question, the question becomes;
which group would you be with? (delay vs help end times)

It can't be accepted by the group which believes that civilization is the real deal, we are insulted by slaughter and barbarism everyday.

So, no theist ever envisions a future for our planet with humanity on it?
This is something new to me, thanks for this.

If you think that the main problem with the proliferation of nuclear warheads is that they may fall into the hands of the religious, I don't think you have seriously thought about the nature of nuclear warhead proliferation.

So you are implying it'll never happen?

Will they(delusions) help the jihad promoters and suicide bombers not to destroy the only planet we know that can harbor life?

I don't know. You are the expert on the utility of delusion. :p




That's easy: They will put their faith in God.

And destroy the future. When was the last time god did something helpful for humanity?

Given that God is defined as that very being who creates, controls and maintains everything, He is by definition in the position to "do something helpful for humanity".

…expert on the utility of delusion. :p

Given that God is defined as that very being who creates, controls and maintains everything, He is by definition in the position to "do something helpful for humanity".

Not a given at all, but a delusion.

Not a given at all, but a delusion.
then praty is also partaking of the delusion when he comments that god is not in position to benefit humanity ... or alternatively, all parties involved except you understand that the argument, both for and against, revolves around definitions.

So you are implying it'll never happen?
I am stating in no uncertain terms that nuclear warhead proliferation is scrutinized (at least in intelligent circles) in terms of national political ideology/stability (since its generally the nature that such devices are acquired by nationally endorsed bodies) and not religion

I am stating in no uncertain terms that nuclear warhead proliferation is scrutinized (at least in intelligent circles) in terms of national political ideology/stability (since its generally the nature that such devices are acquired by nationally endorsed bodies) and not religion


I'm pretty sure the conflict between India/Pakistan will turn nuclear, basis of which will be terrorism, basis of which is religion.

This is a serious issue guys, delusions won't help anyone. And how do theists propose to face this rather stern problem?


light,

Be more coherent.

I'm not sure why it would be the responsibility of one theist to prevent terrorist attacks by another theist. That sounds like a problem for us all.

Belief in ancient myths joins with other negative forces in our society to keep most of the world from advancing scientifically, economically, and socially at a time when a rapid advancement in these areas and others is absolutely essential for the survival of humanity. We are now probably only about a generation or two away from the catastrophic problems that are anticipated from global warming, pollution, and overpopulation: flooded coastal areas, severe climatic changes, epidemics caused by overcrowding, and starvation for much of humanity. Such disasters are predicted to generate worldwide conflict on a scale that could exceed that of the great twentieth century wars, with nuclear weapons in the hands of unstable nations and terrorist groups.



Sam Harris asks:
Why did nineteen well-educated, middle class men trade their lives in this world for the privilege of killing thousands of our neighbors? Because they believed that they would go straight to paradise for doing so. Could anything have been more irrational, other than the responses of some Christian leaders that September 11 was God’s punishment or the work of the devil?

I'm not sure why it would be the responsibility of one theist to prevent terrorist attacks by another theist. That sounds like a problem for us all.

If theists see future in religion, this crisis needs a solution because it is based on religion.
And of course it's a problem for all, I wanted to know how the supernaturalists look at it.

Sam Harris asks:
Why did nineteen well-educated, middle class men trade their lives in this world for the privilege of killing thousands of our neighbors? Because they believed that they would go straight to paradise for doing so. Could anything have been more irrational, other than the responses of some Christian leaders that September 11 was God’s punishment or the work of the devil?

Jerry Falwell, for instance, said that while people were being rescued out from the rubble.

With the broad spectrum of behaviors displayed by different religions, with Amish on one end and Islamic extremists on the other, how safe are we?

It ain't difficult to foresee a scenario where a scientist has an ability to built a nuclear warhead and the belief that he'll get 72 virgins. How do theists propose to solve this, and also the widespread Christians vs Jews vs Muslims conflict, if they wish religion to benefit and not destroy the world?

Thoughts.

No we are not safe in a physical sense of the word. And the person who builds the bomb does not need to be the one pressing the button.

The scientists who built the first bomb petitioned the president of the USA to detonate the first one just off the coast of Japan so as to demonstrate it without killing thousands. The gullible naive scientists actually thought they could exert control over there evil inventions use. LOL They had an ocean of intelligence but not one drop of wisdom.

People who believe they are called upon to conquer the world for a religion will seek to do so at any cost. the goal of islam is a global islamic empire through jihad.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

i can believe extreme religionist trying to encourage end times..

Indeed there are.




i can believe extreme religionist trying to take over the world..

Yes again i agree. They do indeed exist.




by default most all religions have an end time scenario.

Not sure about this one. But yes most popular religions have end time teachings.




so it isn't a problem to be solved but to accept..

Agreed.




i also believe that there are extreme religionist that are trying to solve/prevent/delay end times..

They may be. But to me they are like the ones trying to accelerate the end times. Both a engaged in a waste of time. I believe it will happen when it will happen. God knows when.




so to address theist with this question, the question becomes;
which group would you be with? (delay vs help end times)

Neither.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

If theists see future in religion, this crisis needs a solution because it is based on religion.
And of course it's a problem for all, I wanted to know how the supernaturalists look at it.

as a christian, i don't see a future in religion at all. that's ironically what the bible teaches, that when communion is restored with god, religion will be made obsolete. that's my interpretation of it anyway.

now then, consider how many of us, religious and atheist alike, want absolutely nothing to do with communion with god (and each other). it's obvious. seriously, what would it take to get everyone on the same page? what would it take for everyone to really give a crap about the greater good?

divine intervention, that's what. religion obviously won't do it, nor will politics, nor the "good intentions" in our human hearts.

I'm pretty sure the conflict between India/Pakistan will turn nuclear, basis of which will be terrorism, basis of which is religion.

I am pretty sure these... terrorists and jehadis that are guided by personal interest guided religious(muslim) leaders won't try nuclear option in reality for it can result in their nest(pakistan) getting nuked. :) One thing more real religion has nothing to do here it is just used to brainwash innocent minds to be used by religious leaders. They coin their own term of religious texts to suit their financial and power gaining interests. Terror has evolved as a industry in many muslim belts around the world. The fundamentally area gets developed into the more such business flourishes there.

So how do you really know if God is with you? How can you tell if God is on your side or already not anymore? If God is offended and angry with you and is not with you anymore how can you realize that?

With the broad spectrum of behaviors displayed by different religions, with Amish on one end and Islamic extremists on the other, how safe are we?

It ain't difficult to foresee a scenario where a scientist has an ability to built a nuclear warhead and the belief that he'll get 72 virgins. How do theists propose to solve this, and also the widespread Christians vs Jews vs Muslims conflict, if they wish religion to benefit and not destroy the world?

Thoughts.The only real solution that I can think of is Scientology.

:D

In all seriousness, yes, we're probably f*cked. Not by a nuke, but more than likely by an infectious agent of some sorts.

So how do you really know if God is with you? How can you tell if God is on your side or already not anymore? If God is offended and angry with you and is not with you anymore how can you realize that?

Well that’s a hard question. I guess you would not know if God did not want you to know. But if God wanted you to know He would find a way of letting you know.

It would have to really hit ones conscience really hard.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

With the broad spectrum of behaviors displayed by different religions, with Amish on one end and Islamic extremists on the other, how safe are we?

It ain't difficult to foresee a scenario where a scientist has an ability to built a nuclear warhead and the belief that he'll get 72 virgins. How do theists propose to solve this, and also the widespread Christians vs Jews vs Muslims conflict, if they wish religion to benefit and not destroy the world?

Thoughts.

Apocalyptic ideologies combined with nuclear weapons will mean the end of the human race. Sorry. Theists pave the road to this end, there is nothing they can do about it.

Apocalyptic ideologies combined with nuclear weapons will mean the end of the human race. Sorry. Theists pave the road to this end, there is nothing they can do about it.

you're too smart to be this full of shit spidergoat.

So how do you really know if God is with you?
you don't know..you think,feel,and believe

How can you tell if God is on your side or already not anymore?
its not really about 'God is on my side',
that is the opposite of being 'afraid of hell' its more of a 'God as wish granter'


If God is offended and angry with you and is not with you anymore how can you realize that?
God has a sense of humor..

and i would think its more of a;
when God wants you to learn something, you will learn it, no matter what he has to do to make you learn it..some perceive this as anger, i don't think it is..

and
what offends God? we don't know..
and you are assuming God is an angry and easily offended God, reeks of catholic teachings..

How do theists propose to solve this...

Education.