I wanted a place to vent about all the people that try to get others to quit smoking and all the people that make fun of smoking. If you don't like smoking then don't smoke. Also, you can't make decisions for other people. Get over it.

Quit smoking now! It will kill you!

ummm because your a drain on the public health system and because your smoking harms other people (like that basted who was smoking on the train next to a young mother with a baby)

Not all smokers do that, mind you...

yeahh.. there are those asshole smokers who dont give a damm about other ppl and there the smokers who are more careful where they smoke... i dont need a lecture everytime i light up.. its bloody annoying... and its no fun not being able to smoke indoors either... i have to stand out in the cold every time i wanna have a fix.. not fair.. at least have a smoking section or something...

i dont need a lecture everytime i light up.. its bloody annoying...

I firmly agree. It's even worse when someone who used to smoke trys to lecture you when they should know better than most people how annoying it is and that their opinion isn't going to make you quit.

I also hate when non-smokers ride in your car and complain about the smoke. If you don't like it, drive your own car and don't make me waste my gas to hear you complain. It's not your right to complain in MY car.

I can sympathize with both 'non-smokers' and 'smokers.' I used to be a smoker but quit a year ago. During in the years of endulging in my habit. I was offended when people approached me to warn me of the risks as though I wasn't already aware of them. "OMG! Smoking causes cancer, emphazema, heart disease, and could cause low birth-weight babies if smoked while pregnant ?? Why don't that print that sh*t on the f*'in box? Ohh, yeah! And smokers still want to sue tobacco companies when they're aware of the risks? It, also, make me angry when the price for a box of cigarrettes increased to try to prevent teenagers from buying them! Increasing the price of cigarettes is beyond ridiculous, in my opinion! It just makes it more expensive for the parents to buy their cigarrettes that their kids steal. And, I'm sorry but a lot of 16 year old kids can't pass- off as 18 year old adults. Clerks will just have to plead stupidity for that. Grow up, let smokers enjoy themself until their death or if the smoker chooses to quit as I have done, let them do so in peace. :) Thanks for letting me rant.

Okay, that "Why don't they put that on the f*'in label" was a sarcastic remark, just to clarify.

I'm all for resteraunts not being full of smoke(although I don't think it needs to be banned if they put in a good air filtrations system), but in NYC now they are banning smoking in bars! in BARS!! thats what people do in bars..drink and smoke....if you want to be healthy don't go to a bar.

i agree with you jps... i could unerstand if thre were a few bars that decided to go non-smoking.. but i think its rediculous to do it to all of them. smokers have rights too.

Player haters don't let the player play. Dat shit aint rite yo.

do you know its illegal to be drunk on licence premise?

if we are that hard on DRINKING why not smoking

ummm.. asguard... its ridiculous to compare excessive smoking with excessive drinking... i've never gotten woozy in my knees after smoking... have u ever run into a person causin chaos in a bar cuz they smoked too many cigs?

they've banned smoking in bars in ontario for a long time now... just gotta slip one here and there without gettin noticed.. it really sucks... that's why a lotta smokers now frequent clubs with open air patios.. its still quite cold to go and have a smoke outside on a patio... but its still quite reasonable....

I agree, bars are for drinking and smoking. I personally feel that all bars should have a "Non-Smoking NOT Available" rule, but in all fairness, if it is a bar/ restaurant then there should be some non-smoking in the restaurant area only. Make the non-smokers go outside to get their oxygen instead of the smokers to have a smoke.

Quit smoking now! It will kill you! Who cares? One could get hit by a bus tomorrow.

Who cares? One could get hit by a bus tomorrow.
The point is that smoking is intentional. Normal people don't try to walk in front of a speeding bus. Smokers choose to ignore the health factors and place the taste of a cig at a higher priority than their health and their pocket books. It's kind of like saying "I love walking so much that I should just walk out into this busy traffic and get hit by a bus...and lose $10 in the process" :bugeye:

Yeah smoking can be described like this. Some might say that smoking is like saying publicly "I know it will kill me and I don't care. I want to die". However is the individual smoker really saying this? Is the drinker saying "I know it will numb my brain and destroy my liver and kidney's but I don't care"?

yes.. it is an intentional habit... that doesnt give anyone else the right to constantly badger us about it... the issue is that non smokers make this a much bigger deal than it is... wat about ppl living in big cities that are so polluted... they inhale more crap than ppl smoking next to them for a few mins... i agree that it is upon the smoker to be careful to exercize that habit... just dont make it impossible for us to enjoy a good fag....

and the point about bein hit by a bus wasn't about intent or anything... its alludes to the fact that we might just die tomm... so wat the heck... smoke and enjoy... it might be your last...

Okay, I've gotta ask a dumb question. Is the non-smoking rule just applied to restaurants or are bars using that rule too? Haven't been to a bar nor a restaurant in a long time because of my busy schedule. Boy I suck!

It would be much easier and healthier to have sex before you die tomorrow, or chat on sciforums before you die. Maybe smoke and have sex while chatting on sciforums is the way to go out.:rolleyes: Are there anything unhealthy about having sex more than usual or chatting on sciforums more than usual?


Is the drinker saying "I know it will numb my brain and destroy my liver and kidney's but I don't care"?
Yup, he sure is. Everyone should accept the repercussions for their actions, even in killing your own body.

I guess you smokers can't handle the truth:
http://www.thetruth.com/html/index.cfm?id=150

As a smoker myself, I think that most smokers know about all of the risks (lung cancer, bad breath, low birth weight babies, supposed marketing to teens) but that doesn't effect our choice to smoke. Although I will say, I will never smoke when I'm pregnant nor around pregnant women or children...I don't believe in it. Older people, on the other hand, can make the decision to keep away from us if they don't like it. My motto for them, "If you don't like my smoking, don't breathe." :cool: AMEN:D

You smokers and nonvegans perpetuate the money sucking conglomerates that affect and destroy everybody elses lives.

Originally posted by cool skill
nonvegans.

Oh that's rich. LOL... as if vegans are the way everyone should be. How very very self-righteous! Cheers!

(you sound like a nazi)

I am a smoker, but i also have respect for the people who choose not to smoke. If i am around someone who has chosen not to inhale first hand smoke, i will not blow second hand in their face. I have no problem taking a walk when i need a cig. Live and let live.

Originally posted by Bates
Live and let live.

Well said. ROCK ON!:cool:

How can you say "let live" when you don't let live?
How is it "let live" when you smokers and non-vegans perpetuate the money sucking conglomerates that affect and destroy everybody else's lives?
That's not letting people live.

How is it "let live" when you smokers and non-vegans perpetuate the money sucking conglomerates that affect and destroy everybody else's lives?

no one that i know smokes so that conglomerates make money.. ppl smoke cuz its a habit... same with the non vegan diet.. since when is being a non vegan affecting other ppl? im not askin any vegans to shove meat down while im always being reminded that im a 'murderer' cuz i eat meat... it seems like that the opposition makes a much bigger deal outta this and intereferes in our lives than we actually do... and if ur gonna talk about us buyin into the bull that these corporations feed us, we can argue about every damm multinational company that feeds us products that we probably dont need... i cud make a similar argument about ppl drinkin coke and pepsi... how often do i see ads marketin these products to be cool.. and if u drink em, ur cool too... anywayzz.. smoking is a personal choice.. so is a non vegan diet.. ppl make different choices about how to live their lives... just deal with it..

I think I'll just quote my friend..."We smoke to calm ourselves down when people like 'you' (no one specific) annoy us with your pathetic reasons why not to smoke."

Originally posted by sh1n3y
I think I'll just quote my friend..."We smoke to calm ourselves down when people like 'you' (no one specific) annoy us with your pathetic reasons why not to smoke."

Rant On

While I understand that and have even said the same thing, as a reformed smoker I can say (for me anyway), "NO, you smoke because you're addicted to smoking. You have a habit, your habit is smelly and damages your health with NO real benefit to YOU. Smoke POT or something if you want to smoke. At least POT gives you an actual buzz and you don't have to smoke as much to stay happy, so at least there's a little bit of goodness to counteract the shitty health stuff that comes along with it. Having smoked both exclusively, I'd say that the benefit/risk ration is MUCH higher for pot smoking and is basically zero for smoking cigarettes because there is zero benefit to smoking. You're caught in a lie that you don't realize because you're so attached to it. I quit, I feel a hell of a lot better and don't miss smoking at all. As a matter of fact I feel like a bit of a dumbass for having done it for so long, since really.. .there is ZERO fucking benefit. Argh."

Rant Off.

Someone sitting at home smoking is not hurting you. They may eventually 'injure' you by raising health insurance costs, but smokers generally pay higher premums anyhow, so I doubt that the amount smokers are costing you is anything to get upset about.
They know that it will probably kill them, and they smoke anyhow. It's their choice. I believe suicide should be legal, and smoking is just the long-term route. It's a disgusting habit, but it is THEIR choice. As long as they aren't in your face (or sitting next to you on the bus) who cares? The only people who have any right to tell them to stop are their friends and family.


Wesmorris,
I'd argue with the risk/benefit ratio of pot being any better then tobacco. Pot is worse on the lungs then tobacco because it's unfiltered (is this true or just anti-drug rhetoric?). Also, I've never seen anyone do something stupid because they smoked cigs. I wonder how many people a year end up in the emergency room because they did something REALLY stupid after doing pot. I have one friend who broke his arm cause he fell down the steps. I know another that was walking around outside bearfoot, stepped on some glass and cut his foot up. He didn't worry about it (no bandages, h2o2, nothing), then then next morning he had to go to the hospital from the pain (and the later infection).

Originally posted by cool skill
How can you say "let live" when you don't let live?
How is it "let live" when you smokers and non-vegans perpetuate the money sucking conglomerates that affect and destroy everybody else's lives?
That's not letting people live.

So anyone who shops at a "corporate" store, eats fastfood, or is using a computer built by one of the "corporate" companies is bringing this nation and it's people to downfall? That's bullshit! You can't say that you have never purchased anything "name brand". Tobacco companies are not the enemy. Unless you are cool skill; then everyone's the enemy.:rolleyes:

I believe suicide should be legal, and smoking is just the long-term route.

BINGO...

anytime someone badgers me about this habit i just tell em im committin delayed suicide... it works for me... and honestly speaking.. id rather have 20 years shaved off my life by this than have to live till the nineties in a frail body that is almost on the verge of failing but is hanging on cuz u wanna see another candle on the cake... its sad..

So you're saying it's ok to tear up the earth so you cansuck tarred air out of a stick,
eat meat/milk/animal products,
consume processed products,
in order to feel a false sense of relaxation
that is ultimatly causing your only body more stress?

Or are you just simply unaware that producing items such as cigarettes, meat/animal products
uses up serious energy?

If creating a single hamburger patty
that damages the body (as well as environment)
takes as much [energy/land/water/resources]
as creating 200 meals from wheat and vegetation
that is good for the body (as well as environment),
where is the sense in creating hambuger pattys for consumption?

Burgers have flavor, dumbass!!!:p

okk.. ur talkin from an environmental perspective... wat about the following products that damage the environment too... why not do somethin about em too

-drilling petroleum n products
-churning out more automobiles
-packaging material that is non recyclable
-chemical wastes
-almost every consumer product that is on the shelves

i really dont see ur argument about the environment when it comes to meat... sure we can produce more vegetarian meals with those resources, but why? why have the extra effort... can't ppl have the freedom of choosin wat they want even if it is injurious to health?

also.. some ppl might just admit that they are addicted to cigarettes and its not cuz of pure relaxation... it really doesn't do much for me, but its a habit.. i'll get rid of it sometime if i really put an effort into it.. but right now im content where i am... and im respectful of non smokers.. i dont see where the problem lies.. if ppl have a problem with how i live my life then they are clearly invading my privacy... im not tellin anyone how to live their life.. go drink arsenic if you really wanna... its your life...

Originally posted by Persol
SWesmorris,
I'd argue with the risk/benefit ratio of pot being any better then tobacco. Pot is worse on the lungs then tobacco because it's unfiltered (is this true or just anti-drug rhetoric?). Also, I've never seen anyone do something stupid because they smoked cigs. I wonder how many people a year end up in the emergency room because they did something REALLY stupid after doing pot. I have one friend who broke his arm cause he fell down the steps. I know another that was walking around outside bearfoot, stepped on some glass and cut his foot up. He didn't worry about it (no bandages, h2o2, nothing), then then next morning he had to go to the hospital from the pain (and the later infection).

I'm just saying "If you're going to choose to partake in drugs, specifically something you smoke.. pot is far superior to cigarettes, at least you get a good buzz from it. The buzz from cigarettes fades after the first couple of weeks from smoking, changing into the anti-buzz.. you only notice it once you haven't had it for a while... absolutely pointless." Further, on the stupid tip... I'd say that your IQ going in if you're a stoner is a significant factor regarding what kind of stupid thing you might do when you're stoned. If you're prone to going stupid things, you really shouldn't be fucking with drugs to begin with.

Originally posted by Bates
Burgers have flavor

How did I know somebody was going to say that?
Thanks, Bates.
"Burgers have flavor." How compelling.
Let's all kill the earth because burgers have flavor.


Originally posted by sycoindian
why not do somethin about em too
-drilling petroleum n products
-churning out more automobiles
-packaging material that is non recyclable
-chemical wastes
-almost every consumer product that is on the shelves

I'm not saying that all of those aren't also bad for the environment. All of it is bad. They just don't apply as much to the topic of people's right to put what they want into their own bodies.
Either way, all of those put together don't do nearly as much damage to the environment as our eating habits.


Originally posted by sycoindian

i really dont see ur argument about the environment when it comes to meat... sure we can produce more vegetarian meals with those resources, but why? why have the extra effort...

What extra effort?
How is using up much less energy/water/land/resources and doing way less labor extra effort?
It's less effort. Much much incomprehensibly less effort.

Why?
Because it makes more sense to eliminate money sucking conglomerates, not to tear up the environment, and live healthier lives.
The benefits to the individual, the society, and the environment are immeasurable.

We put all this effort, and use up all these resources to tear up our bodies and environment.
Then, we use even more to deal with our health problems, and cleaning up the mess.

Why should we stop?
a) Less time, effort, and resources spent on creating all these bad products
(that are not good for anybody and the environment anyway)
mean more time, effort, and resources for helping the less fortunate and doing more productive things.
b) More healthier people and environments
mean less time, effort, and resources spent fixing
the serious health and environmental problems that these products perpetuate.


Originally posted by sycoindian
can't ppl have the freedom of choosin wat they want even if it is injurious to health?
You like to bring up the fact that it’s injurious to people’s health.
Who cares. Yes, I think it’s idiotic for us hurt ourselves.
That’s not the point.
Stab yourself if you want.
I don’t know why you bring it up because that was not my argument.
--------------------
Originally posted by cool skill:
You smokers and nonvegans perpetuate the money sucking conglomerates that affect and destroy everybody else’s lives.
--------------------
So you want to know if I feel that hurting your body isn’t right when it also destroys everybody else’s lives?
So you should be allowed to put what you want in your body when it not only hurts your body, but everybody else around you?


Originally posted by sycoindian
but right now im content where i am... and im respectful of non smokers.. i dont see where the problem lies.. if ppl have a problem with how i live my life then they are clearly invading my privacy... im not tellin anyone how to live their life.. go drink arsenic if you really wanna... its your life...
In other words, you’re content about the money sucking conglomerates that affect and destroy everybody else’s lives.

Let's all go to Wendys. I'll have a classic single made of COW with PROCESSED cheese. Cool skill can stay in the landscaped flowerbeds and graze to his hearts content.

Nonvegan, yes that was good, I will use that...thank you cool skill. :D

Originally posted by Bates
Let's all go to Wendys. I'll have a classic single made of COW with PROCESSED cheese. Cool skill can stay in the landscaped flowerbeds and graze to his hearts content.
Oh no.
Let me all of a sudden stop facing reality so I can go to Wendy's with Bates.



Originally posted by Bebelina
Nonvegan, yes that was good, I will use that...thank you cool skill. :D
OK, Bebelina .
It's not a real word by the way.

Originally posted by cool skill
Oh no.
Let me all of a sudden stop facing reality so I can go to Wendy's with Bates.


I'm an anti-veganite bastard. Hehe, down with vegatables!

Down with anti-veganit bastards!

First of all, cool skill, isn't meat on of the major food groups, as well as dairy? Is it possible to be healthy without eating any of those foods regardless of whether you get the meat from Wendy's or not? I would think the only way to maintain a healthy diet without eating half of the food required for a healthy diet that you would have to chug man made pills or "dietary supplements" that don't taste anywhere near the real thing. These "dietary supplements" also require a massive amount of work and PROCESSING to create. If you're not ingesting these disgusting, giant pills, then aren't you harming your body by not giving it the correct nutrients required to be healthy? Aren't you making the choice to harm your body just as smokers do? The only difference is that we admit it openly and you cower in the dark acting as though you are better than the rest of us.

So, cool skill, enjoy ingesting your disgusting pills while we enjoy our delicious burgers and relax with our cigarettes.:D

Don't tell me I'm the only person here who smokes through my anus....
oh GREAT! how embarrassing...:(

Originally posted by sh1n3y
First of all, cool skill, isn't meat on of the major food groups, as well as dairy? Is it possible to be healthy without eating any of those foods regardless of whether you get the meat from Wendy's or not?
Wrong. Obviously you accept the teachings of misinformation rather than find out the truth. I guess it's just easier to accept whatever the schools throw at us regardless of weather or not most of it is wrong.


There are no four food groups. There's the pyramid nonsense which was created under pressure from meat/dairy conglomerates.
Meat and milk destroy the body. They are not good for the body. It is not possible to be truly healthy with anything that comes from an animal in your body unless you're a carnivorous species. As for humans, sorry to break it to you, but piles upon piles of evidence prove that you're a bunch of herbivores. And oxygen breathers. Not smoke breathers.


More info:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=8938

explain this to me...

how is my smoking harmful to other ppl when im respectful of non smokers? plus the conglomerate stuff that you were goin off about... how is that different from ppl buyin into any other product marketed by ppl vs cigarettes...

Originally posted by cool skill
Wrong. Obviously you accept the teachings of misinformation rather than find out the truth. I guess it's just easier to accept whatever the schools throw at us regardless of weather or not most of it is wrong.


There are no four food groups. There's the pyramid nonsense which was created under pressure from meat/dairy conglomerates.
Meat and milk destroy the body. They are not good for the body. It is not possible to be truly healthy with anything that comes from an animal in your body unless you're a carnivorous species. As for humans, sorry to break it to you, but piles upon piles of evidence prove that you're a bunch of herbivores. And oxygen breathers. Not smoke breathers.


More info:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=8938

Excuse me Mr. Skill, but you should not spout bullshit if you're going to call it truth. THE TRUTH, my friend is that not everything is known about the body, leading experts all thing different things about this that and the other regarding this that and the other that a human might consume. I think the most impressive thing I've read regarding the topic (in which I'm not particularly interested, but I'll indulge since you're being a nazi about it) was a one page snippet in Discover magazine's March 2003 issue. It's called "the voice of reason on diet" - it's an interview with and apparently very sharp guy named walter willett. While in general he seems to agree with your position, he mades no mention of "destroying your body" as you so gently put it.

YOU my friend, should respect that other people have different priorities and tastes to you. While maybe a genius at math, they may like cheeseburgers. NOTHING you can do will change that. All your nazi propaganda bullshit tactics will do is piss people off. If you want to really help people, educate them.. quote facts with sources. Engage people like people, not your inferiors because they don't like vegatables. :) I'm not saying you did anything to me ner nuthin, I'm just saying you're sounding like a food nazi and man, that's not cool, cool skill. :)

werd.

(ps, most fundamental changes in society take a long long time to implement due to the fact that people find comfort in certain areas of their lives... for many people that is food, your incessant screamage about how everyone believes a bunch of lies may be mostly correct, but it sure isn't going to help your cause.. due to the fundamental nature of the beast.. it's like trying to argue with christians, it generally can't really work because they're inside the bubble)

Originally posted by sycoindian
plus the conglomerate stuff that you were goin off about... how is that different from ppl buyin into any other product marketed by ppl vs cigarettes...
It isn't.



Originally posted by wesmorris
If you want to really help people, educate them.. quote facts with sources.
Get real!
Where the hell's the fun in that?

Originally posted by cool skill
Get real!
Where the hell's the fun in that?

Point well taken. :) Have fun!

If we're not carnivores, cool skill, then why do we have canine teeth?

Oh, and where do you get your calcium?...or did you not suck your mom's breast as a baby like most of the rest of us?

:cool: Go ralax a little, have a cigarette!:cool:

Before everyone passes judgment over cool skill, read the book Fit for Life II by a Dr. Diamond. It is just one of the many interesting books to read. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions.


And I'm a vegan btw. I still like the taste of meat and occasionally I will eat a burger with fries, but for most part my diet is mostly raw fruit and vegetables. And nuts. Gotta have nuts. :)

Originally posted by sh1n3y
Go ralax a little, have a cigarette!:cool:

I think i might, thank you.:)

Originally posted by sh1n3y
If we're not carnivores, cool skill, then why do we have canine teeth?
You might have canine teeth. I sure as hell don't.
SO I'm sure you catch animals every day with your mouth right?



Originally posted by sh1n3y
Oh, and where do you get your calcium?...or did you not suck your mom's breast as a baby like most of the rest of us?

No. I sucked on your moms.
So let me get this straight. In order to get calcium people have to suck on breasts?

So let me get this straight. In order to get calcium people have to suck on breasts? [/B]
I dunno but i like where your going with that idea...

The point that I was trying ta make is that cool skill was not always a vegan and obviously humans were not meant to be vegans if we are mammals.

That's besides the point anyway. Cool skill choosing to be a vegan is the same as my choice to smoke, only I am mature enough to respect others descisions to not smoke and not force smoking on them.

If cool skill wants to live in his own little dream world where it's "cool" to eat bread, lettuce, and apples that's good for him. But I'm going to enjoy my milk in my coffee as I smoke a cigarrette just after my medium rare and very delicious steak dinner.:D

"obviously humans were not meant to be vegans if we are mammals."
How does being a mammal make you not meant to be vegan?
Do you really beleive all mammals eat meat?
You probably beleive they all smoke cigarettes too.

If humans were ment to be vegans then why is there no traditional culture that is strictly vegan?

Even if the human body is not meant to eat meat, what does that mean?

1. You can still live a full and healthy life. My great grandma is 103( and still goin') and she's been a meat eatin ominvore all her life, Well who woulda thunk it!

2. Your not exclusively picking on vegetables, (literally) thus, sparing some plants a tortous death.

3. The cost of veggietarism is considerbly higher for the average indivdual then an average diet. In otherwords, poor people can't afford to but six dollar tofu patties when ground beef is a dollar a pound.

:) Even if veggies are correct, this is just one more human behavoir that is contrary to healthy or/and moral living. Chalk it up right next to war, industralism and Barney. :)

The point is cool skill, that it is your right to chose to be vegan and you don't have to put up with people constantly telling you that you have to eat meat or drink milk. I just think that people need to stop telling smokers that they have to quit when it isn't their choice in the first place. Although I don't personally support your choice, I do support that you should be allowed to choose without being lectured about your choice.

“If humans were ment to be vegans then why is there no traditional culture that is strictly vegan?”
even if that was true, who knows. Point?

“You can still live a full and healthy life”
No you can’t.

“Your not exclusively picking on vegetables, (literally) thus, sparing some plants a tortous death.”
Wrong. Or do animals not consume ridiculous amounts of vegetation?

“The cost of veggietarism is considerbly higher for the average indivdual then an average diet.”
No kidding. That’s the whole point.
It’s considerably far far cheaper to support a vegan society,
But a nonvegan society does not only use up more human and planetary resources,
it also promotes a society where being a vegan is costly, inaccessible, and close to impossible.

“Chalk it up right next to war, industralism and Barney”
OK I will.

“I do support that you should be allowed to choose without being lectured about your choice.”
I support anybody that chooses to lecture whatever the hell they want without some moron giving them a lecture about who they should and shouldn’t lecture.