View Full Version : Stagflation 2004?


Undecided
08-11-04, 04:21 PM
As I usually do I read the economist online for interesting stories to read and some even to post on sci. But this article caught by attention, and it sounds eerily reminiscent of an era that was supposed to have died:


It is not that inflation has disappeared. So far this year, consumer prices have risen at an annual rate of 4.9%. About half of this increase was due to higher energy costs, which rose at an annualised rate of 36% in the first half of the year.But though the impact of the high oil price on inflation may be troubling, more worrying is its impact on consumption. Higher pump prices are curbing consumer spending, which is depressing sales. Falling sales are discouraging hiring, which is adding to consumers’ reluctance to spend. In June, consumer spending fell by 0.7%. In July, hiring slowed to a trickle: just 32,000 workers were added to the payrolls. The links are more immediate in some industries than in others: 2,600 petrol-pump attendants lost their jobs last month.
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But what counts as rash, and what counts as measured, depends on your reading of the economy. In its report to Congress, submitted on July 20th, the Fed predicted that real GDP would likely grow by 4.5-4.75% between the fourth quarter of last year and this. Already, that prediction looks in jeopardy. To fulfil it, the economy would now have to grow by around 5.25% (at an annualised rate) for the rest of the year.
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Indeed, statistical revisions released last Friday eliminated 61,000 jobs the economy was thought to have created in May and June. Forget outsourcing, offshoring and cost-cutting—the most potent destroyer of jobs in the past couple of months has been the Bureau of Labour Statistics.
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By contrast, the man defending that election has no choice but to be proactive. But what George Bush does between now and November to revive his reputation for economic management is not clear at all. At the start of the year, his Council of Economic Advisers hoped that the number of Americans on the payrolls would average 132.7m for this year, a higher total than when Mr Bush took office. But the economy is lagging far behind that prediction, with no chance of catching up before the election.

http://www.economist.com/agenda/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3082696


Why do I raise the specter of Stagflation you may ask yourself? Well like in the 70’s oil prices are going up to very high levels and the economic sheds off huge amounts of growth as a result of each raise in the price of oil. What scares me more about 2004 compared to 1974 is that in 1974 OPEC cut its production, it has huge excess supply, today that is not true. Today OPEC is pumping out as much as it can really, and only Saudi Arabia can pump more. This is a much scarier situation because this isn’t a supply problem it’s a demand problem. Demand internationally is way too high, and production simply cannot match it. Stagflation is when prices go up, and growth does down because demand goes down as well. In the 70’s you had very high wages and very high costs for supplies so prices exploded. Now the US has lower wages but still very high commodity prices, thus the purchasing power of the American consumer is negated even further. 2/3 of the US economy is based on consumer spending. Also like in the 70’s the US is mired in a foreign war and is in a massive budget deficit which creates more demand, and increases inflation. Also the American dollar is getting much and much weaker which increases prices further like in the 70’s the US dollar is weak. To me at least unless demand calms down significantly over the next 5 years things will only get much worse.

Undecided
08-13-04, 04:59 PM
Further reason why I fear stagflation within the next 2 years:


TORONTO - Oil prices hit new highs on Friday, pushed through $46 US per barrel by an explosion at a U.S. refinery, strong Chinese demand and concerns over a Sunday referendum on Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.
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Markets are also being driven by figures that show Chinese demand for oil is not abating. Chinese consumption grew by 40 per cent year-over-year in July.

http://sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/story/business/national/2004/08/13/Oil_040813.html

People demand is not subsiding anywhere, it is exploding. The question we have to ask yourselves is:

-Can we avoid inflation?
-How fast can we transform our backwards economies into modern post-petroleum econmies?
-Should stagflation happen what should the government do?

Undecided
08-14-04, 02:48 PM
Some more info on the economics front with the US economy:


United States trade deficit reached an unexpected 55,8 billion US dollars in June, 19% increase over the previous month and well above the 47 billion anticipated by markets.
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Exports actually fell by 4,3% to 92,8 billion the largest drop since September 2001 while imports rose 3% to 148,6 billion US dollars, reflecting the growing oil prices and Chinese record sales.
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Data released this Friday also showed that US consumers are less confident about economic prospects. The Michigan University Index of Consumer Sentiment fell from 96.7 to 94 in August apparently reflecting softer employment, record oil prices and the continued threats to security.
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Analysts are also surprised by the drop in US exports which had been growing steadily supported by the competitive edge of a weaker dollar and stronger demand from the Euro zone and the Far East.
Since the US is importing more goods then it exporting and her exports declined this is very bad news at least in the short term. If a low US dollar cannot stimulate demand for American goods nothing will. A low US dollar means higher prices for imported goods, but that doesn’t seem to phase the American demand for imported goods. Usually currency depreciation is a good thing…

Undecided
08-19-04, 06:29 PM
More disturbing news from the world of commodities:


LONDON, England -- Oil prices have climbed to another peak on renewed violence in Najaf, Iraq and new signs of strong demand in China and India as their economies expand.
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U.S. light crude reached a new high of $48.20 a barrel Thursday.
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Meanwhile, Iraq's main southern pipeline from the Basra oilfields has been shut since a sabotage attack on August 9, curbing export flows to about a million barrels daily, half normal rates, through a secondary line.
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Worries about lack of spare world crude production capacity also are supporting prices.
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Analysts point to recent developments in Iraq, Russia and Venezuela, however, that could help ease fears behind the 27 percent run-up in oil prices in the last six weeks.
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Wednesday's price rally was helped by an Energy Department report that showed declines in U.S. inventories of oil and gasoline. U.S. oil demand so far this year is up 3.5 percent.
Surging demand in China, India and other emerging economies are adding to supply pressures.
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China is now the world's second-largest oil consumer, and its imports are up 40 percent year-on-year to the end of July, according to recent data.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2004/BUSINESS/08/19/oil.price/index.html

This is a demand problem, and because there isn’t that much excess capacity left we should be seeing shortages in the future, also possible future oil induced wars. I’m I the only one scared shitless?