A plauisable explanation for the biological creation of Aids. Remeber this is only a theory but the mechanics is right.

Sodomy; anus-sex; poop heaven; feces festering in the womans privates; will cause damaging molecular changes; disease; and animal poop isn't cool either, yet a possability. To think if aids started due to nasty promiscious people. If I'm way off base tell me so

Well? Do you have another theory?:cool:

No, but it gave me a chuckle. ;)

That sick and stupid! AIDS is a virus believe to have come for chimpanzee sense they have the highest rate of resistance to it

Though chimps do have a lot of sex :D

bonobos have a lot of sex...not chimps.

No chimps are very polygamous... Bonibos are just noted for doing it like people do :D

** At the rate humans are going I can definately see a animal rape crises center in the near future,nevertheless, we should brace ourselves for the newest deadly diseases if the trend of porn with animals/humans continue.

I think you have some kind of fetish??? where did you get this idea animal sex is so common?

Originally posted by WellCookedFetus
I think you have some kind of fetish??? where did you get this idea animal sex is so common?





** Every time I check my email, there's a offering to watch young hot teens with horses and the local crack heads do pit-bulls. Crossing Species Sex this is where the disease's pop up so quickly from. Anyways I have my fetishes, and poop ain't one of them.:D

:eek: ya you got me there! I make sure all that stuff gets filltered out. Oh well wipe and leather is my limit.

oh thank god

i thought lady got a whiff of my stinky fart over the internet and decided to expose me!

Originally posted by spookz
oh thank god

i thought lady got a whiff of my stinky fart over the internet and decided to expose me!


** he-he

In the darkness slithers plagues within the dungeon.
When Aids is spotted trying to break out the cousin
Who is more seasoned, well trained and cunning.
Hostile and venomous is this swift mobster

Then there's the uncle who is in chains
In dier agony these two will be bring change
Beckoning mortals to cross the line
So the disease family can shine
Stinking bodies, death divine, at last partners in crime.

AIDS is virus that came from other viruses or bad genes... in fact the aids virus's genome ir related to a whole classes of retroviruses.

I'm not saying though that having sex with animals will not give you some kind of disease, I would put a good bet that it would in fact give you a whole veriaty of horrable illnesses!

AIDS came from the african jungle; how it got into people though I doubt was through @#%$ing a ape!

Promiscious sex was the primary thing
Which wiped out nations and slaughtered kings
No vaccines or weapons could control this thing
Which deemed cockroaches masters and made them supreme

No, Lady, I'm sorry. Promiscious Sex
did not wipe out nations.
Viruses did.

If you wish to insult me now, please visit the Insulting
Susan Thread. It is all fixed up for you.

No, Lady, I'm sorry. Promiscious Sex
did not wipe out nations.
Viruses did.

** At least your half way there.

If you wish to insult me now, please visit the Insulting
Susan Thread. It is all fixed up for you.

** This sounds personal, anyways, I didn't find the thread.:cool:

Sadly Lady is correct in stating that promiscuity spreads disease. If everyone were into monogamy then there would be virtually no STD to speak of! Having sex with many others is the primary means that many pathogens use to travel and spread.

Originally posted by Lady
Well? Do you have another theory?

There are other theories that don't require a belief in spontaneous generation.

I don't support spontaneous generation. Most viruses came from Transponders (or vis versa) Virus have come form organisms but this is do to the situation of the organism’s genetics. Having anal sex would increase your chance of getting a infection.

So would an infection or bite. If it came from a primate, especially the chimpanzee, it crossed over likely because we're so much alike genetically. There are other diseases that do the same from even more distant species.

But your point of it being around still due to our behaviour is right. HIV is a rather fragile virus on its own...if it was hardier, or more contagious than it is, we'd all have it.

i would say you would have more chance arguing that choping down the forests and more INTERACTION (NOT sexually, i mean illegal shiping of exotic specis/animal bites ect) was the cause

and as to the spreed LOOK AT AFRICA, this is not a homosexuals deases

nurses get it, mothers pass it to children

its EVERYWHERE

Aficains even have a higher chance of immunity supporting the idea that this disease was around for a long LONG time.

Paul Ewald in "The Evolution of Infectious Disease" covers HIV. According to the phylogenetic analyses, SIV (the simian version of HIV) is derived from HIV, implying that monkeys got their version from us, not the other way around. I'd be interested in scientific references that show that HIV is derived from SIV. Thanks in advance.

Ewald also points out that it's possible that HIV was a common infection that remained benign in humans for thousands of years and suddenly became virulent due to the adoption of promiscuous habits (e.g. prostitution) in the geographic area of origin of HIV. Ewald uses this to support his theory that virulence is a consequence of transmission rate.

HIV and AIDS are not the same. HIV is a virus, AIDS is the disease caused by the virus. There are many instances of HIV infection with no manifestation of AIDS, and there is at least one case in which an individual (male) was HIV positive and is now HIV free, implying that some immune response got rid of it.

Hope this helps.

excerpt by paulsamuel or visit pg 4 and check out theories of your fellow posters.

The 1/2000 people is immune because they lack a functional CD4 receptor on their helper T cells. With out his receptor the virus can not infect there T cells and kill them. Sence the T cells can’t be kill the immune system is not crippled and the person does not get AIDS.

Most places with high rates of deadly disease are also adherents to groups with Risky Practices or beliefs, for example, centuries of witchcraft/Voodoo has been a common religion/ cult amongst many African countries, therefore, lots of disease, and only recently did Uganda expose and denounce the satanic practices publicly.

Now the rise of Aids in the U.S. coincides about the same time drug usage was big, likewise, new age religions, like paganism, satanism,wiccan, or other occulitic practices became unveiled and widespread in the nation, mainly attracting the youth, male/female. Most of these religions except and encourage sexual freedom



http://www.aidshotline.org ( Statistics- Informative)

Trading bodily fluids is dangerous there is not doubt about it! Look at some of the horrible and grotesque possible side effects: AIDS, Herpes, Hepatitis, Children, ect, ect, ect!

"No chimps are very polygamous... Bonibos are just noted for doing it like people do"

Fetus: You need to read up more on Bonobos (I'd recomment "Bonobo; the Forgotten Ape"). Yes Chimps are promiscous (not polygamous as there are no Chimp marriages that I'm aware of), but Bonobos DO IT LIKE CRAZY-- ALL THE TIME WITH ALL TYPES OF PARTNERS. Yes, bonobos are known to mate face-to-face, but they've got the Kama Sutra beat by a mile with all their variations.

Cheers!

Originally posted by Lady
A plauisable explanation for the biological creation of Aids. Remeber this is only a theory but the mechanics is right.

Sodomy; anus-sex; poop heaven; feces festering in the womans privates; will cause damaging molecular changes; disease; and animal poop isn't cool either, yet a possability. To think if aids started due to nasty promiscious people. If I'm way off base tell me so

Well? Do you have another theory?:cool:

You are a simpleton.

I know a lot about bonobos thx anyways

wesmorris

she only post in religion what did you expect?

Fetus... good point. I felt compelled to say it though. I probably should have just kept it to myself though. Sometimes I delusionally think that my opinion makes a shit of a difference. LOL. yeah right..

lady's pathetic understanding of physics, chemistry and biology could not dare comprehend the fact that virusi do not spontaneously appear and that promiscuity does not make virusi but only gives them a means of infectious travel.

Oh I'm mean today! :D

Did you know Conception and life is also a STD!

Originally posted by wesmorris
You are a simpleton.



** Educate me -all knowing one?

Originally posted by WellCookedFetus
[QUOTE][B]lady's pathetic understanding of physics, chemistry and biology could not dare comprehend the fact that virusi do not spontaneously appear and that promiscuity does not make virusi but only gives them a means of infectious travel.



** Paul Ewald in "The Evolution of Infectious Disease" makes sense to me and except for my theory of the creation of Aids, most of my post deal with ways of transference, futhermore, all my post aren't in religion, but what are you implying? Science has no foundation in religion?

virus are our preditors, simple as that.

They exists as natures way of controling human population (just look at the spread of the black plauge)

unfortunatly humans have a habit of meddling with nature

its as simple as the arms races between animals and other animals or plants

we "cure" something and it mutates to work better so we change the treatment so it mutates again ect

no sinister conspiracy with god and people who sleep with animals

just nature

Originally posted by Lady
** Educate me -all knowing one?

Okay. Trying to assert a correlation between behavior that increases odds of getting a disease and the particulars of what led to the mutation that led to said disease is completely pointless without the statistical data and analysis thereof to back it up.

Feel educated?

Lady,

The idea that a virus is created simple out of the evils of anal sex is ludicrous! As for your views of promiscuity and odd sexual practices spreading disease that is fact. And yes science was founded from religion. 90% of your posts are in "Religion", "Free thought", "Ethics, Morality, & Justice" and "Pseudoscience". Your posts in "Pseudoscience" alone prove my point!

Originally posted by wesmorris

Okay. Trying to assert a correlation between behavior that increases odds of getting a disease and the particulars of what led to the mutation that led to said disease is completely pointless without the statistical data and analysis thereof to back it up.

Feel educated?


** Well one is just a theory ( the creation) disease?Care to test my theory? Anyways the other post are way's of transference? But do you have a logical explanation on the creation of Aids? Or perhaps a theory?

Yes HIV is a retrovirus that came from a long line of retroviruses! The proof is in its genome which shows that it is related to HTLV and viruses of the Genus Lentivirus.

Originally posted by WellCookedFetus
[B]Lady,


[QUOTE]The idea that a virus is created simple out of the evils of anal sex is ludicrous! As for your views of promiscuity and odd sexual practices spreading disease that is fact.

** Can the evil for a moment and switch back to common sense poop- heaven is full of toxins.... disease? Why is this not plausiable?



Your posts in "Pseudoscience" alone prove my point!

** Well you got to die someday........Good night

Just so you see this:


Originally posted by WellCookedFetus
HIV is a retrovirus that came from a long line of retroviruses! The proof is in its genome which shows that it is related to HTLV and viruses of the Genus Lentivirus.

Originally posted by Lady
Feel educated?


** Well one is just a theory ( the creation) disease?Care to test my theory? Anyways the other post are way's of transference? But do you have a logical explanation on the creation of Aids? Or perhaps a theory? [/B][/QUOTE]

Okay... Uh.. you already said it, but then you started adding shit.

Aids or rather, HIV mutated from another virus or something. Mutation is a natural part of biology. It apparently happens all the (thinks of cancer.. which is the result of mutation) time. How is like asking "how did that apple hit me on the head?". It just happens.

Sure it CAN happen because of other things like radiation and particular toxin type things... but as I said in the last post. One would have to perform rigourous data collection and analysis to bring any reasonable opinion regarding the particulars that led the mutation that led to HIV.

It's more likely that given your apparent jesus fetish, you are trying to justify your homophobia through relating to the reasons that "god smote the fags" or basing your reasoning around your judgement that "those fags got what they deserved".

Seem plausible at all? I mean seriously.. can you see how it might seem that way to someone who isn't you?

If Aids was meant to kill gays way are the majority of Victims not gay? Look at Africa were it is at “plague” levels: its killing men, women and children and a large percentage of the population is infected with millions dieing every year! If anything this is nature’s (or God’s (if your lady)) way of trying to reduce the massive human surplus!


HIV is a retrovirus that came from a long line of retroviruses! The proof is in its genome which shows that it is related to HTLV and viruses of the Genus Lentivirus.

well cooked baby


If Aids was meant to kill gays way are the majority of Victims not gay? Look at Africa were it is at “plague” levels: its killing men, women and children and a large percentage of the population is infected with millions dieing every year! If anything this is nature’s (or God’s (if your lady)) way of trying to reduce the massive human surplus!

wesmorris


It's more likely that given your apparent jesus fetish, you are trying to justify your homophobia through relating to the reasons that "god smote the fags" or basing your reasoning around your judgement that "those fags got what they deserved".



** Down boys, listen, I never said it was a homo disease, I'm sure hetero's have engaged in poop- heaven with the "ol lady" (hmm) but despite my religious beliefs and theories. One things is fact, there are certain groups aid's is more rapid amongst. Is there not?


Q- Is it possable the retroviruis was created within humans/animals( self- destructive mechanism) but dormaint? And what caused it to become active?

Q- If transference was a insect was the bug just created in the early 1900's? Is there no record of mysterious deadly disease's in earlier history?

Q - It is said that cats carry a strand that doesn't affect humans or that cat, Yet why is it there?

Q - Why is it that some monkey's can live with the virius but not humans? Exspecially if the monkey folks gene's are so closely related to ours?

Q - Is the virius three dimensional?

** From the jungles to our beds, if mosquito's become carries, than were all dead

No offense but Paul Ewald does not say anything about spontaneously generation of diseases. He simply states how disease evolve for/with there hosts and how diseases are transmitted.

What happens to humans when blood leaves the brain
Science and logic is totally in Vain
Wanting cure's for diseases but no mending the way's

Free love and orgies is simply the thing
A lust for porongraphy raw and insane
Prisons are bathehouse's no protection in range
Give us a cure but we don't want to change

Originally posted by Lady
What happens to humans when blood leaves the brain
Science and logic is totally in Vain
Wanting cure's for diseases but no mending the way's

Free love and orgies is simply the thing
A lust for porongraphy raw and insane
Prisons are bathehouse's no protection in range
Give us a cure but we don't want to change GIBBERISH

Originally posted by WellCookedFetus
[QUOTE][B]lady's pathetic understanding of physics, chemistry and biology could not dare comprehend the fact that virusi do not spontaneously appear and that promiscuity does not make virusi but only gives them a means of infectious travel.

** I do lack some physics, chemistry, you name it, but let's examine spontaneous... Does not the virius have a life within? All the BIG cathedrals and pious men without the gift of Exorcism? (hmm)
..Tell me is such without thought? Is Natural Selection without thought?




Did you know Conception and life is also a STD!


**....scared to live scared to die?

Originally posted by WellCookedFetus
No offense but Paul Ewald does not say anything about spontaneously generation of diseases. He simply states how disease evolve for/with there hosts and how diseases are transmitted.

** The part where it could lies dormaint in us......blah .....blah... make sense

:confused: I don't see what your getting at?

Originally posted by LaoTzu
GIBBERISH




** So what the point?

Originally posted by WellCookedFetus
:confused: I don't see what your getting at?


** You said yourself the viruis was quite possibly a gene gone bad, basically. So is this gene within us and why did it go bad? From my understanding some animals have a strand of the virius. What is the purpose? Is it there intentionally or not? Will it and how does it mutate and become deadly to the host? I'm full of zillions of questions best reserved for God, but anyone can give it a shot

A virus is nothing more but an instruction that say "replicate me!" Evolution controls how the virus gets this done but that is about it. There are many theories claming that a good percentage of our DNA is viral in origin. A virus can incorporate is own genes into a cell genome and stay dormant forever or via some biochemical event reactivate. Viruses and life follow under the laws of Darwinian evolution… this means that random mutation are the engine and natural selection is the driver, but if a god or goddess is controlling what mutates where and when… weeeeeellll there is nothing that says that can’t be going on, but then again there is nothing that says it needs to be.

Lady:

<i>One things is fact, there are certain groups aid's is more rapid amongst. Is there not?</i>

Are you thinking of homosexuals? In fact, many more heterosexual people have AIDS right now than homosexuals.

lady how does your argument hold weight when the people who get it "quickest" are nurses who get needle stick?

they are not an "ofence against god" because they are trying to HELP people and thats what jeauses SAID to do

god loves monkeys, they are largely unaffected by their AIDS equivalent (if i remember correctly)

Just a thought

Most places with high rates of deadly disease are also adherents to groups with Risky Practices or beliefs, for example, centuries of witchcraft/Voodoo has been a common religion/ cult amongst many African countries, therefore, lots of disease, and only recently did Uganda expose and denounce the satanic practices publicly.

Now the rise of Aids in the U.S. coincides about the same time drug usage was big, likewise, new age religions, like paganism, satanism,wiccan, or other occulitic practices became unveiled and widespread in the nation, mainly attracting the youth, male/female. Most of these religions except and encourage sexual freedom

Originally posted by Asguard
lady how does your argument hold weight when the people who get it "quickest" are nurses who get needle stick?

they are not an "ofence against god" because they are trying to HELP people and thats what jeauses SAID to do


** What arguement?

hehe.. what argument indeed.. :)

Mother Nature has vowed balance, therefore Aids, a tool, is granted evolution as a means of cleansing. The way's of transference is established in the earth, therefore, protect yourself , through the knowledge that is known.

wesmorris


Sure it CAN happen because of other things like radiation and particular toxin type things... but as I said in the last post. One would have to perform rigourous data collection and analysis to bring any reasonable opinion regarding the particulars that led the mutation that led to HIV.

** Well I thought poop - heaven was a good theory. :D Don't need rigourous data or testing to know stinky/ toxins embedded deep within a womans inner intricacies will eventually cause mutations/ disease .... mabey not Aids who knows? It's just a theory:cool:

Originally posted by Lady
wesmorris

** Well I thought poop - heaven was a good theory.

Seems like you're a little assocentric. You like the ass sex eh? Hehe, you go girl.

Originally posted by Lady

:D Don't need rigourous data or testing to know stinky/ toxins embedded deep within a womans inner intricacies will eventually cause mutations/ disease ....

Actually, you do. I mean, just because it seems gross to you doesn't mean it has anything to do with anything else. The only way to make assertions like that which you make is science. The problem with promoting theories like you are without any evidence to back it up is twofold: 1) regardless of your actual position, it makes you seem like a gay hater; 2) your theory has no basis in anything other than your opinion.. which doesn't appear to be (mind you, i'm saying "appear" because you don't show us evidence of your massive intellect) particularly noteworthy.

I don't say that to insult you, I say that to inform you of how you appear to ME... and I would imagine others as well based on the various feedback I've seen regarding your posts.

Originally posted by Lady

mabey not Aids who knows? It's just a theory:cool:

Hitler had a theory too.

Seems like you're a little assocentric. You like the ass sex eh? Hehe, you go girl.



** Boys do too.



Actually, you do. I mean, just because it seems gross to you doesn't mean it has anything to do with anything else. The only way to make assertions like that which you make is science. The problem with promoting theories like you are without any evidence to back it up is twofold: 1) regardless of your actual position, it makes you seem like a gay hater; 2) your theory has no basis in anything other than your opinion.. which doesn't appear to be (mind you, i'm saying "appear" because you don't show us evidence of your massive intellect) particularly noteworthy.



Q - Do women have anal SEX? Now my theory is tangiable( is it not?) did not I say earlier that is would definately create some kind of disease but not neccesarily Aids. Yet there is no point in making more disease,nevertheless, Don't let my personal opinion of homosexual behavior cloud your thinking faculities concerning the doorways of the disease? Now which one of you genuis with massive intelluct have a cure?,...(silence)... exactly?

Lady, I may be way off topic here. Do you have friends, family or so who are actually affected by HIV/AIDS?

What does all this theorising have to do with the real issue? Is not every human, homosexual, bi-sexual or whatever their sexual preference is, in the first place a human being?

My god, woman, wake up and realise that life is not all bliss and that there are things, like this horrible disease, which excist. Not only in theory. It affects real people, loved ones, good friends, who die of this disease.

Have you ever been around someone who suffers from AIDS? Ever seen someone die because of it?

It has nothing to do with only bi-/homosexuals, it affects all kind of people. Lots of hetero's too. Not all have anal sex, are drug addicts or have orgies. Your ignorance and unwillingness to learn, strike me as pretty stupid.

I am sorry to say so.

If you want a cure, then start on it. Dive into physics, medical treatments and so forth, learn how you can help cure this disease.

(note: This is merely a reaction, not really on topic and I know it. Apologies for coming in between.)

Grrrr...

It has nothing to do with only bi-/homosexuals, it affects all kind of people. Lots of hetero's too. Not all have anal sex, are drug addicts or have orgies. Your ignorance and unwillingness to learn, strike me as pretty stupid.



** Apologies accepted...nevertheless, what the point of finding a cure? When there will be another disease right behind it? Society needs to change as well

Do women have anal SEX? Now my theory is tangiable( is it not?)
It is not at all more tangible. It remains as absurd as when you first stated it. It is not a definite fact that anal sex leads to disease.

However, you are right in that society needs to be a little more conscientious about AIDS if it is going to be stopped. The main problem here is unprotected sex (vaginal, anal or oral ;)), rather than the actual act itself.

don't forget oral needs to be protected to ;)

Let me try to explain that which I find confusing

** Is it Genetics? If so, how, why, and will it happen again? Natural selection in action....yes or no?

** Various strand are in animals will they turn active? Is it possible? If so, what triggers it? what makes it lie dorminant?

** What is mortality rate without medication? How many new infections with medication?

** Will the U.S be like Africa? In what year?


***Sex, drugs, humans? hmm..:(

AIDS is caused by the HIV virus. It is only genetic due to the fact that viruses are either strands of genetic material (RNA in the case of HIV), or proteins (these are called prions), and take over the DNA of host cells in order to replicate. This has been mentioned in more detail already by WellCookedFetus.

It is possible for a host to carry a virus and not be affected by it. Viruses are usually very specific in the receptors they can detect, and not all animals (or plants for that matter) have those particular receptors.

Isn't the mortality rate resulting from AIDS 100%? However, not everyone who carries the HIV virus contracts AIDS. Again, as has been mentioned, people who lack the TD4 receptor (the specific receptor that the HIV attaches to) are unaffected by the virus.

No, I don't think the US will be like Africa at any point. One of the most important methods of prevention is education. People in the US and Canada are pretty aware of how the virus is passed, and have prevention methods drilled into their heads from an early age. Africa doesn't quite have that luxury now, and they certainly didn't have it when HIV first hit.

TD4 receptor (the specific receptor that the HIV attaches to) are unaffected by the virus.


**TD4 receptor- A protective mechanism?Is this here by chance? Can it be harvested? Introduced to a uninfected host? For studies? Has this being tried? By the way, scientist have a better chance of finding a cure than relying on education to over-rule the power of sex.;)

protection is always better than cure

but it is an interesting question

i cant be bothered posting this again so i will link it

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=248276#post248276

Yes, the TD4 receptor is a protective mechanism, although perhaps by accident. It is a defective receptor that causes the host to be unaffected.

Most receptors on the surface of cells are proteins or glycoproteins, so they could be collected, technically speaking. However, they could not be introduced into an afflicted individual as a treatment. The cells that have a defective TD4 have a mutation on the DNA that codes for that particular protein. So simply putting the protein in the system won't help.

I don't think has been tried, because it doesn't work that way. In order for the TD4 receptor to be a treatment, the defective gene would have to be spliced into the DNA of the zygote very early on in development. This is not practical. Especially since the incredibly costly procedure would have to be done on every child to ensure that everyone is immune.

Again, education is the best way to prevent the spread of AIDS right now. And, again, the goal is not to stop sex altogether, but to make sure everyone is intelligent about it.

what about using a virus to mutate us to make the cells defective?

We could remove bone cells (that is were T cell are produced?, I don’t know I’m not a immunologist) implant and anti-sense gene that would destroy the mRNA of one of the proteins that make the TD4 receptor. This new cell we would grow in vitro and implant back in the aids victim. If all goes well the victim will now produce Helper T cells that are immune to HIV and the victim we regain a normal T cell count and not get/have aids.

Of course proper production or abstinence are far cheap and less complicated then this!

Wouldn't you have to modify the gene at an early stage of development? Eventually the good cell that you insert back into the victim will divide, but will it be enough to help?

It may be possible to use a virus to modify the gene, but I think it will be very difficult, and not without risks of its own.

It has been done for people that have IDD a rather similar disorder to AIDS in which people can not produce T cells because the cell die of toxic overdose. The bone marrow cells are a stem cell for all immunity and blood cells.

Yes, the TD4 receptor is a protective mechanism,although perhaps by accident. It is a defective receptor that causes the host to be unaffected.






Despite the price it should be introduced more affluently in the human gene pool exspecially when gene's mysteriously GO Bad...WHAT'S NEXT?

Lady:

Mutations occur all the time. Most of the time, however, the mutation doesn't do anything. In some cases, the gene can become defective, which can be bad or beneficial to the organism. These mutations seem to occur at random, and are mostly due to our environment and diet.

Actually the theory is that the defective TD4 became a positive trait in Europe because it also helps T cell live longer under bubonic plague toxins... for reason yet unknown. That is why when I said 1/2000 people I meant 1/2000 European Caucasians. The ratio in black people is yet uncounted but detected and is thought to be due to a direct response to HIV rather then the black death. But little research has been done for the origins of dTD4 in Africans. Mutations like this do to simple evolution since having a immunity to a disease like HIV allows one to prosper in a normally lethal environment. Take sickle cell anemia and Thalisima both mutations are very detrimental in homozygous form but normally (heterozygous) grant one resistance to malaria. Sickle cell and thalisima is only found in Africans and Sufartic Jews, not in more northern Caucasians who do not get exposed to malaria.

Well, what I was trying to convey is that it is defective with respect to the protein receptor (that is an assumption on my part), but it beneficial as a whole for the organism. I don't actually know a whole lot about the TD4 itself, though. Most of what I have said is just from how virii work and how cells communicate with the environment.

TD4 is for histamine... but histamine can get into a T cell through some other means (which is?), so TD4 is redudent and lossing it is only a benifit!

Originally posted by WellCookedFetus
TD4 is for histamine... but histamine can get into a T cell through some other means (which is?), so TD4 is redudent and lossing it is only a benifit!

unless it has some other role, which we haven't figured out yet. I guess that speaks for itself and maybe I shouldn't have mentioned it.

Maybe? there is still so much we don't know :(

I did some research on this topic, and found a few minor errors in what we have been saying. The receptor that the virus attaches to is called the CD4 receptor. Not a big deal, just a minor difference in nomenclature. But the co-receptor, a membrane spanning protein named CCR5 is what is defective in the people immune to the virus. This comes from the Virology unit of my Microbiology textbook. Apparently the 1% of 'white' people that have the defective CCR5 protein are immune to HIV attacks, as the virus cannot attack the macrophage cells in the body.

I hate to change your chain of thought but perhaps one of you can answer this?
Does the virius die even after the host is dead? By this, I mean once the flesh starts decaying and the transformation of live maggots take form... does the viruis live on within them? Are the maggots the new host? Is this possible?

Sorry about that i only heard it at a Genetics update conference 2 years ago.

No the original virus that infected the cell is dead... but it has now made millions of copies of its self.

WellCooked: It's no problem at all. I understand how minor specifics can be lost over time. The correction was more for the benefit for anyone who wanted to do some research on their own. I looked online (Google specifically), but couldn't find anything using "TD4" as my search. That's all.

Lady: You don't always die from a viral infection. The common cold is caused by a virus. WellCooked is right though; once the virus infects the first cell, that copy of it is pretty much dead.

Hey could i see where you found out about CD4? I would like to catch up on that.

HIV has a glycoprotein on its surface that fits a specific protein(CD4) on the...yep, you guessed it.. on the T4 cell's surface.

but it has now made millions of copies of its self.




** Are these million of cells now part of the maggot? The spirit left but the flesh simply transformed into a live maggot? It still has the host in another form. Have you ever gave a maggot a HIV test? Mabey the bodies should be burned, after death.

virii like HIV have very simple genome specifically design to attack white blood cells of higher simians and hominids… I doubt that the virus can live and reproduce in flies, but then again I have not heard of any studies on it! It would make a good research project!

let's do it...let's start the research...we will become famous....just like Watson and Crick...or was that Jeckyl and Hyde.:bugeye: :rolleyes: :D

Why not? Im not a biologist though

WellCooked: I looked it up in my Microbiology textbook, but here are some links you may find interesting.

You will need Adobe Reader for the first two:
www.qiagen.com/literature/qiagennews/0399/993induc.pdf
www.retroconference.org/2001/posters/110.pdf

http://www.bio.davidson.edu/Courses/Immunology/Students/spring2000/dickens/HIV/page4.html

Enjoy.

thx :)

Out of curiousity, what is your area of expertise? Chemistry?

It says in my profile ;)

Isn't that a branch of Biology though?

Technically chemistry but since I’m going for the non-ACS approved version of BioChem. and adding 6 more classes from Biotech which is under biology I don’t know where I stand! It’s a dual major under Biotech (Biology department) and Biochemistry (Chemistry department) All the other guys at lab laugh at me because I’m the only guy there that’s not a chemist but a something or another :(

Honestly now,... has Aids become a weapon? To be regulated by the gov?:bugeye:

Originally posted by Lady
Most places with high rates of deadly disease are also adherents to groups with Risky Practices or beliefs, for example, centuries of witchcraft/Voodoo has been a common religion/ cult amongst many African countries, therefore, lots of disease, and only recently did Uganda expose and denounce the satanic practices publicly.

Now the rise of Aids in the U.S. coincides about the same time drug usage was big, likewise, new age religions, like paganism, satanism,wiccan, or other occulitic practices became unveiled and widespread in the nation, mainly attracting the youth, male/female. Most of these religions except and encourage sexual freedom



http://www.aidshotline.org ( Statistics- Informative)

Somehow I don't think that pagan worship is what causes disease :p god isn't smiting your enemys for you, Lady, go back to your cave and come out when you are ready to behave like a rational human being.

Originally posted by Asguard
virus are our preditors, simple as that.

They exists as natures way of controling human population (just look at the spread of the black plauge)

unfortunatly humans have a habit of meddling with nature

its as simple as the arms races between animals and other animals or plants

we "cure" something and it mutates to work better so we change the treatment so it mutates again ect

no sinister conspiracy with god and people who sleep with animals

just nature

When did you get as bad as lady? Go back to Biology class, you've got it all wrong.

Why is it that god loving heterosexual Christians die of AIDS?

Mystech: While I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing with you, I think you should supply some reasons for why you think he's wrong. That was a pretty strong statement to make with no evidence to back it up with. In the spirit of debate and all, it's the proper thing to do.

Originally posted by Mystech
Somehow I don't think that pagan worship is what causes disease :p god isn't smiting your enemys for you, Lady, go back to your cave and come out when you are ready to behave like a rational human being.



** Did I say pagan worship caused disease? Exactly

Originally posted by WellCookedFetus
Why is it that god loving heterosexual Christians die of AIDS?




** Why does the government want to regulate the disease?:confused:

I don't understand how that is connected? :confused:

maybe the government feels that there are to many heterosexual christians?????

My thoughts exactly.

Originally posted by spuriousmonkey
maybe the government feels that there are to many heterosexual christians?????





** What does that make the government

Originally posted by Lady
** What does that make the government

...Good and planing for the future well! :D :D :D

** What future

a future without people that sleep around a lot... mainly nerds and geeks will be all that’s left. Though it will be a pussy’s world it might be better then this one. ;) :p

so basically we need more deadly SDs. Someone should start ordering some from the biotech companies