Although dangers exist for marijuana users of all ages, risk is greatest for the young. For them, the impact of marijuana on learning is critical, and pot often proves pivotal in the failure to master vital interpersonal coping skills or make appropriate life-style choices. Thus, marijuana can inhibit maturity.

Another concern is marijuana’s role as a "gateway drug," which makes subsequent use of more potent and disabling substances more likely. The Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University found adolescents who smoke pot 85 times more likely to use cocaine than their non–pot smoking peers. And 60 percent of youngsters who use marijuana before they turn 15 later go on to use cocaine.

But many teens encounter serious trouble well short of the "gateway." Marijuana is, by itself, a high-risk substance for adolescents. More than adults, they are likely to be victims of automobile accidents caused by marijuana’s impact on judgment and perception. Casual sex, prompted by compromised judgment or marijuana’s disinhibiting effects, leaves them vulnerable not only to unwanted pregnancy but also to sexually transmitted diseases (STDs).

Teens will have sex with or without smoking pot or taking drugs . Alcohol is far more used than pot today with teens. So if you really want to prevent pregnancy then EDUCATE teens about preventing unwanted births by using contraceptives or the birth control pill.

Teens will have sex with or without smoking pot or taking drugs . Alcohol is far more used than pot today with teens. So if you really want to prevent pregnancy then EDUCATE teens about preventing unwanted births by using contraceptives or the birth control pill.

Hear hear.

Although dangers exist for marijuana users of all ages, risk is greatest for the young. For them, the impact of marijuana on learning is critical, and pot often proves pivotal in the failure to master vital interpersonal coping skills or make appropriate life-style choices.


I'm a teen and smoke pot and I think my lifestyle choices have been excellent so far :) as are my interpersonal coping skills... if not better with pot actually.
:m::m:

Although dangers exist for marijuana users of all ages, risk is greatest for the young. For them, the impact of marijuana on learning is critical, and pot often proves pivotal in the failure to master vital interpersonal coping skills or make appropriate life-style choices. Thus, marijuana can inhibit maturity.

Another concern is marijuana’s role as a "gateway drug," which makes subsequent use of more potent and disabling substances more likely. The Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University found adolescents who smoke pot 85 times more likely to use cocaine than their non–pot smoking peers. And 60 percent of youngsters who use marijuana before they turn 15 later go on to use cocaine.

But many teens encounter serious trouble well short of the "gateway." Marijuana is, by itself, a high-risk substance for adolescents. More than adults, they are likely to be victims of automobile accidents caused by marijuana’s impact on judgment and perception. Casual sex, prompted by compromised judgment or marijuana’s disinhibiting effects, leaves them vulnerable not only to unwanted pregnancy but also to sexually transmitted diseases (STDs).

I went on to try cocaine, but I didn't smoke pot before I was 15. You cite no sources, and frankly, pot's pretty harmless compared to most drugs. I've never had an STD or STI, although I've known people who never even smoked who've had them.

The gateway hypothesis is not valid whatsoever.

Although dangers exist for marijuana users of all ages, risk is greatest for the young. For them, the impact of marijuana on learning is critical, and pot often proves pivotal in the failure to master vital interpersonal coping skills or make appropriate life-style choices. Thus, marijuana can inhibit maturity.

Another concern is marijuana’s role as a "gateway drug," which makes subsequent use of more potent and disabling substances more likely. The Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University found adolescents who smoke pot 85 times more likely to use cocaine than their non–pot smoking peers. And 60 percent of youngsters who use marijuana before they turn 15 later go on to use cocaine.

But many teens encounter serious trouble well short of the "gateway." Marijuana is, by itself, a high-risk substance for adolescents. More than adults, they are likely to be victims of automobile accidents caused by marijuana’s impact on judgment and perception. Casual sex, prompted by compromised judgment or marijuana’s disinhibiting effects, leaves them vulnerable not only to unwanted pregnancy but also to sexually transmitted diseases (STDs).

You've grouped up a whole lot of stereotypes into 3 blathered paragraphs. But thats ok.

If I sat and smoked 4 bags of marijuana in 4 days, then upon the 4th day I ran out, I would merely chill out.

It helps my back pain and doesn't give any withdrawals.

On the side it also goes well with any hobbies: Drawing/painting, playing music, even hard and sweat labored work!

If you have sleeping problems it may help you sleep.

If you get good cannabis that is not contaminated with any additives, you are looking at a much more healthy choice (when vaporized) than if you were to go get a bit too drunk one night.

It is impossible to overdose on pot.


I had a severe back injury years ago, it is my right to smoke or vaporize Cannabis rather than use pain killers which have killed many people indeed.

I'm a teen and smoke pot and I think my lifestyle choices have been excellent so far :) as are my interpersonal coping skills... if not better with pot actually.
:m:

If you come to Utah we'll light up k?

:D

how are they having kids if they're all drugged up.. thought that stuff killed sperm cells
damn

It is impossible to overdose on pot.

You can have killer whiteys though!

If you come to Utah we'll light up k?

:D
Most definitely ^.^

Teens will have sex with or without smoking pot or taking drugs . Alcohol is far more used than pot today with teens. So if you really want to prevent pregnancy then EDUCATE teens about preventing unwanted births by using contraceptives or the birth control pill.

I just went and bought my son condoms. If he had been a girl, I'd have put him on the pill. Most (if not all) of his drinking has been with his guy friends and not his girlfriend, so I think most of his sexing have been sober.

Good mama! I wish more mothers would do that.

I just went and bought my son condoms. If he had been a girl, I'd have put him on the pill. Most (if not all) of his drinking has been with his guy friends and not his girlfriend, so I think most of his sexing have been sober.

if my mom did that I would feel so awkward about it.

My mother said she'd put me on the pill when I was a teenager and then my dad forbid it. Like that stopped me from being a normal teenager. =/

if my mom did that I would feel so awkward about it.

It was. But him telling me he got his girlfriend pregnant would be more awkward

Hear hear.
Seconded

Most definitely ^.^
Same goes if you're ever in Middle Tennessee. Mi MJ es su MJ!

Marijuana has similar effects to alcohol in terms of impairment of functioning. So, if you smoke and drive, it's pretty much indistinguishable from drinking and driving.

But I'd say the biggest worries with marijuana are the health effects. For example, there is some evidence to show that smoking a joint does about 4 times the damage that smoking a tobacco cigarette does to your body. If you want lung cancer, throat cancer, a reduced lifespan and so on, then smoke cigarettes or dope and you'll radically multiply your risk - regular marijuana use will multiple your risk of many cancers by at least 10 times the rate for non-users.

If the effects on your physical health are not sufficient, then consider the evidence on mental health effects of regular marijuana use. You'll lose interest in just about everything after a while - you'll just want to "chill out" with a bong or a joint. Your ability to concentrate on anything like a normal person will gradually wane away. Your ability to really feel emotions will dull - you might not get depressed, but you won't be able to really feel properly happy any more either. Then there are the bonus hallucinations, the paranoia, the schizophrenia risks.

If none of this concerns you, then no worries. It's your body. It's your mind. If you don't value it, don't expect other people to.

You have to look at the rate of use, James. I've also never ever hallucinated from pot. While smoking anything is going to tax your lungs, smoking pot once in awhile certainly has shown no real effects for occasional users.

it is certainly true that you can hallucinate, maybe not to the point of lsd but there are similarities and there is no question afa paranoia and schizophrenia are concerned. it does effect people differently and i know people whos hearts race from it and also very different types of weed with mild or very low thc to very high amounts of thc.

I know it's true, but you have to use a lot of strong stuff. Hell, aspirin can be toxic for some people.

no you dont. where do you get this stuff from? a few good hits of very high thc weed (one or two) and that will send a new smoker for a loop that is not really much different from doing a small line of heroin.


Hell, aspirin can be toxic for some people.

straw man and irrelevant. no one uses aspirin to get high.

no you dont. where do you get this stuff from? a few good hits of very high thc weed (one or two) and that will send a new smoker for a loop that is not really much different from doing a small line of heroin.



straw man and irrelevant. no one uses aspirin to get high.

Link me to something that says that. That's bullshit on weed being anything like heroin; it doesn't even affect the same part of the brain.

And it's not strawman. It's a point that many "harmless" things we consume are toxic. Just because you're not taking to get high doesn't mean it's not valid.

That's bullshit on weed being anything like heroin


oh no it isnt. just to repeat myself, if you smoke a highly concentrated strain of weed and are not used to it it is virtually indistinguishable from doing a small line of heroin in that you will be basically just as high. and i mean small as in normal dose for someone who is not used to heroin and doesnt want to die from it.

i am not talking about weed someone grows in their back yard garden because i think you need to know what your doing to get potent weed.

oh if you smoke a highly concentrated strain of weed and are not used to it it is virtually indistinguishable from doing a small line of heroin in that you will be basically just as high.

What source are you using to get this information from?

Same goes if you're ever in Middle Tennessee. Mi MJ es su MJ!

And if you're ever in England... anywhere... I'll come find you it's only little :D

It's VERY distinguishable. Have you actually used heroin? What do you mean "just as high?" Completely different highs. Affects different parts of the brain/spinal cord; it affects things VERY differently. Heroin gets you high by causing a thickening at the base of your spinal cord nerves. Pot gets you high by the antibodies you produce when THC is consumed. Those affect VERY different things. What you're saying is so inaccurate.

i am not talking about weed someone grows in their back yard garden because i think you need to know what your doing to get potent weed.

I have smoked hash and some very good pot, plus I know a little bit about drugs on a chemical level.

It's VERY distinguishable. Have you actually used heroin? What do you mean "just as high?" Completely different highs. Affects different parts of the brain/spinal cord; it affects things VERY differently. Heroin gets you high by causing a thickening at the base of your spinal cord nerves. Pot gets you high by the antibodies you produce when THC is consumed. Those affect VERY different things. What you're saying is so inaccurate.

:bravo:

you may have done highly cut heroin and low thc weed but dont think that everyones experiences are similar.


Affects different parts of the brain/spinal cord; it affects things VERY differently. Heroin gets you high by causing a thickening at the base of your spinal cord nerves. Pot gets you high by the antibodies you produce when THC is consumed. Those affect VERY different things. What you're saying is so inaccurate.

LOL...sure, sure.

:bravo:

:mad:

:mad:

:shy:

well just saying that the info is not accurate.

you may have done highly cut heroin and low thc weed but dont think that everyones experiences are similar.



LOL...sure, sure.

Why are you arguing about this? :bugeye:

That's how it works. I'm sorry if you don't like it.

well just saying that the info is not accurate.

Your information is not accurate.

Go read about how THC and opiods function.

John, because you insist on calling me a liar in an area I know about, I'm going to make this very easy for you:

"Opioid drugs block pain signals by attaching to special receptors in the body. These receptors are found in the joints, skin, spinal cord and brain. The reason that we have natural opioid receptors in our body is that our body manufactures its own opioids...."

From: http://www.controlpain-livelife.com/Treatment_Options/Drugs/Opioids.asp

These receptors that thicken the nerves at the base of your spinal cord also get you high as well as relieve pain, champ.

On pot: "The great majority of these effects of THC are mediated by cannabinoid receptor type 1 (CB1), which is abundantly expressed in the central nervous system."

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2007/10/09/30940.aspx

That is VERY simple to understand. Other than they both affect parts of the nervous system, they're not all that similar.

The most notable difference is that with heroin, you get your biggest rush the first time and the affect lessens over time, meaning you need more smack. People who smoke pot don't naturally produce the antibodies for THC all the time, so they may feel little to nothing when they first smoke it.

i am not calling you a liar it is just that you are wrong about the main point of discussion here. the thing with heroin is that the potency is so much easier to regulate that an imbecile can figure out that more of part a dilutes part b. with weed this is not the case but THC is very powerful for first time users and is similar to doing heroin for the first time user who may happen to get ahold of high thc weed. which is very possible. thats all.


The most notable difference is that with heroin, you get your biggest rush the first time and the affect lessens over time, meaning you need more smack.

that is true with any drug.

i am not calling you a liar it is just that you are wrong about the main point of discussion here. the thing with heroin is that the potency is so much easier to regulate that an imbecile can figure out that more of part a dilutes part b. with weed this is not the case but THC is very powerful for first time users and is similar to doing heroin for the first time user who may happen to get ahold of high thc weed. which is very possible. thats all.



that is true with any drug.

John, I rarely tell anyone this in such plain terms: Your ignorance is offensive to me and you're potentially a dangerous person as you pretend to know what you're talking about.

One last thing on THC and then I officially give up and you are welcomed to stay ignorant:


...many first-time users feel nothing at all....

http://www.acde.org/common/Marijana.htm

I can explain the biochemical reason for this, but I am not going to waste my energy just so you can disagree based on nothing.

John, I rarely tell anyone this in such plain terms: Your ignorance is offensive to me and you're potentially a dangerous person as you pretend to know what you're talking about.


ok. dont take discussions too seriously. people will always disagree with you or anyone

i think that what is happening afa statistics are concerned is due to two factors. one i mentioned previously is that there is really no way to gauge the potency of the weed the respondents to any surveys are referring to.

another important factor that i just recently thought of is that people do metabolize weed differently. the variance can be enough to throw statistics of and that is in addition to the first point. so it is hard to say the main thing to realize is that i am not saying the weed is more dangerous than heroin because it isnt and the withdrwals from weed are not in the same league as heroin. i simply said the feeling for a user who is trying them for the first time can be similar.

of course similar comparisons can be made to alcohol and hard drugs in that if a young person drinks enough they can get incredibly intoxicated and even die. you drink enough grain alcohol and you are in big trouble.

afa grading intoxicants and which substances are more dangerous, my views fall in line with the norm and what can be termed factual information. so really it is just a misunderstanding. i think that the physical danger part of this is what you are missing too or is just a misunderstanding. first time heroin users can be in for a bad surprise...iotw's kicking the bucket.

John, when it comes to advising people about drug use, you should leave it to the people who know something about it. Otherwise you're going to kill someone.

THC metabolism is affected by various factors, but we're not discussing that. How you actually get high is a fact. It's not my opinion. It's medical fact. This is not a matter of disagreement. Don't insult the entire medical community by insisting it is.

how is what i said going to kill someone? you are misconstruing what i said.


How you actually get high is a fact

yes, it is a medical fact and one i agree with.

You were the one claiming pot and heroin affected the exact same area of the nervous system in the same way, and that it would affect you to smoke a bomber joint just as much as a small line of heroin. That's deadly (not to mention WRONG) information.

but i didnt mean physically in terms of medical danger. do you think i am stupid? plus i already made that pretty clear.

Look at what i said previously:

afa grading intoxicants and which substances are more dangerous, my views fall in line with the norm and what can be termed factual information. so really it is just a misunderstanding. i think that the physical danger part of this is what you are missing too or is just a misunderstanding. first time heroin users can be in for a bad surprise...iotw's kicking the bucket.

Are you writing in disjointed sentence fragments that make it hard to follow what you're saying on purpose?

It physically does not affect you the same way, in terms of danger, in terms of nervous system function, in terms of anything EVER.

Clean cut smack is not that hard on you. It's just highly addictive.

Are you writing in disjointed sentence fragments that make it hard to follow what you're saying on purpose?

no.:( it isnt intentional but i get skip words sometimes and get them mixed up or put them in the wrong place. like i did in that last sentence so i have to go back and reread everything but sometime i am lazy about that. i can proofread everything.

OT: slightly two different trains of though here. but even scientists and doctors disagree on the particulars of addiction and various substances.

On addiction. Not on how you actually get high. Although most agree: Smack's addictive. I'm not nagging on the sentences; I just genuinely get confused.

CatherineW.. your welcome in New Mexico too.

John99... you have no clue what you're talking about with

weed and heroin..:rolleyes:


have another drink of what ever you've been drinking

I just had two beers, and this thread's WAAAAY more palatable.

CatherineW.. your welcome in New Mexico too.


I wonder if I can get contacts in all the states :p

CatherineW.. your welcome in New Mexico too.

John99... you have no clue what you're talking about with

weed and heroin..:rolleyes:


have another drink of what ever you've been drinking

oh please. weve been through this before.


you have no clue what you're talking about with

weed and heroin

what are you referring to?

i dont drink either.

I wonder if I can get contacts in all the states :p

But New Mexico is the best state ;)

Marijuana has similar effects to alcohol in terms of impairment of functioning. So, if you smoke and drive, it's pretty much indistinguishable from drinking and driving.

But I'd say the biggest worries with marijuana are the health effects. For example, there is some evidence to show that smoking a joint does about 4 times the damage that smoking a tobacco cigarette does to your body. If you want lung cancer, throat cancer, a reduced lifespan and so on, then smoke cigarettes or dope and you'll radically multiply your risk - regular marijuana use will multiple your risk of many cancers by at least 10 times the rate for non-users.

If the effects on your physical health are not sufficient, then consider the evidence on mental health effects of regular marijuana use. You'll lose interest in just about everything after a while - you'll just want to "chill out" with a bong or a joint. Your ability to concentrate on anything like a normal person will gradually wane away. Your ability to really feel emotions will dull - you might not get depressed, but you won't be able to really feel properly happy any more either. Then there are the bonus hallucinations, the paranoia, the schizophrenia risks.

If none of this concerns you, then no worries. It's your body. It's your mind. If you don't value it, don't expect other people to.

what am I referring to?

how about here

i didnt say that.

was there something wrong with that stement?

edit: statement

a few good hits of very high thc weed (one or two) and that will send a new smoker for a loop that is not really much different from doing a small line of heroin.

guess this is what got me thinking they were both from you

my apologizes for mis-quoting you

so what is wrong with that statement?

just because that is not one persons experience does not mean that is true for everyone. key differences are that with heroin you most likely puke and it really can kill you.

most heroin ODs can be prevented..problem is most people don't know what to do or the junkies alone and drowns on their puke... they die from drowning

To die from a heroin overdose takes quite awhile... and like any opiate it's from respiratory failure

to equate heroin and marijuana even close to the same is "reefer madness" dogma

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WftfhhESyys&feature=related

to equate heroin and marijuana even close to the same is "reefer madness" dogma

i am not doing that. i agree that marijuana is mild compared to heroin. that is something that is common knowledge.

yes you are by saying;

that is not really much different from doing a small line of heroin.

how about putting it as taking some OTC cough syrup or a shot of whiskey
or having a beer. :shrug:

putting what as taking cough syrup etc.?

putting what as taking cough syrup etc.?

oh good grief :bugeye:

this has been a very long thread. much longer than it should have been. it isnt right to post one line quotes with no context or even quotes from posts i never wrote.

for whoever said its not possable to OD on THC how do you define "overdose"?

i ask because while i was doing my placement on the weekend another car was called out to an "acidental" (how can it be acidental when you do it?) OD on achole, THC and antidepressents. Now i turned to the ambos i was working with and asked them if you can even OD on THC and they said "you are OD'ing when you pass out" which is true. If you are not concious because of achole or THC or anything else then you cant protect your airway (compared to being asleep) and if your airway is compromised and no external intervention is provided to secure it then you die. Its as simple as that.

Compare to a heroin OD where the issue is breathing, ie your airway is probably clear but the respitory center of the brain has been depressed to an extent that isnt conducive to live

no you dont. where do you get this stuff from? a few good hits of very high thc weed (one or two) and that will send a new smoker for a loop that is not really much different from doing a small line of heroin.



straw man and irrelevant. no one uses aspirin to get high.


are you quoting someone or are you saying some weed is like doing a line of heroin ... ?

again.. I said I was sorry for mis-quoting you

Although as a libertarian I am vehemently opposed to our country's unconstitutional laws about what we can do with our own bodies, I nonetheless do not advocate drugs for children. Their bodies, emotions, attitudes and habits are in development and they don't need the perturbation. That said, I have to jump in here because some of you are off base with your comments. I will once again recommend The Consumers Union Report on Licit and Illicit Drugs to anybody who's wondering about the subject. It's still the most authoritative book on the subject because these days most of the research has been coopted by the government. Who's going to trust "information" from the people who told us that Saddam Hussein had WMDs and that subprime mortgages were good investments?
The gateway hypothesis is not valid whatsoever.There's a little truth to many hypotheses. The reason that marijuana may be a gateway to dangerous drugs is that because it's illegal, you have to buy it from the same people who sell those other drugs. This is one of the many second-order effects of drug prohibition that cause more harm than the drugs themselves.
Marijuana has similar effects to alcohol in terms of impairment of functioning. So, if you smoke and drive, it's pretty much indistinguishable from drinking and driving.You must have read that in a book rather than riding in those cars to see what it was really like. Anyone who's done it will always choose the stoners. The impairment is much different. Alcohol makes people feel overconfident, aggressive and confrontational. Marijuana makes people feel patient, deferential and paranoid. That's a really big difference on the road. You can tell the drunks from the stoners by which lane they're in. The stoners are in the slow lane listening to the radio and watching out for cops.

And no, none of my comments necessarily apply to teenage drug use. They should not be allowed to either take drugs OR drive anyway.
But I'd say the biggest worries with marijuana are the health effects. For example, there is some evidence to show that smoking a joint does about 4 times the damage that smoking a tobacco cigarette does to your body.Another example of the pernicious second-order effects of prohibition. If marijuana users weren't persecuted they'd keep more of the stuff around, and without the black market prices they could afford to. Then they'd take it some other way than smoking. Tea, infusion, baking, vaporizer--these methods are much healthier but more wasteful. Now that it's easier and safer to obtain in California, people are shifting to healthier habits.
If the effects on your physical health are not sufficient, then consider the evidence on mental health effects of regular marijuana use. You'll lose interest in just about everything after a while - you'll just want to "chill out" with a bong or a joint. Your ability to concentrate on anything like a normal person will gradually wane away. Your ability to really feel emotions will dull - you might not get depressed, but you won't be able to really feel properly happy any more either. Then there are the bonus hallucinations, the paranoia, the schizophrenia risks.I'm pretty sure we've had this debate before and apparently you've known a few one-percenters who had bad reactions--or perhaps poorly parented kids who were able to start smoking in high school. I know people who have been using (not smoking) pot for forty years and they're perfectly productive and successful.

You're not doing anyone a favor by making one of the more benign recreational drugs sound evil. Young people are already doing meth and other bad shit because A) Marijuana is really expensive, B) It's difficult to conceal because it's bulky and smelly, C) It shows up in a urine test a month later. You start telling them that marijuana is just as bad for them as the other stuff and they'll take more of the other stuff.

Marijuana is less harmful than tobacco (because you don't have to smoke it), and in many ways it's also less harmful than alcohol.
for whoever said its not possable to OD on THC how do you define "overdose"? i ask because while i was doing my placement on the weekend another car was called out to an "acidental" (how can it be acidental when you do it?) OD on achole, THC and antidepressents. Now i turned to the ambos i was working with and asked them if you can even OD on THC and they said "you are OD'ing when you pass out" which is true.Azzy, because of your occupation you always pop up with the most bizarre worst-case scenarios that completely muddle every discussion you join in. I go all the way back to when spliffs were called "reefers" and I lived in California in the 1960s and 70s where it seemed like everybody was high all the time. I have never in my life, not once, seen anyone "pass out" from marijuana. I'm sure it happens and that's when you guys get called and so you have your work-related tales to swap at the pub, but it's about as likely as being struck by lightning. I saw one person simply have a really bad reaction (first time, took too much) and had to go the the E.R. for detox, but she never passed out.

By the way, your example raises a good point. Judging from anecdotal evidence, the majority of "drug overdoses" involve combinations with alcohol. The authorities don't mention the alcohol because it's not illegal unless the victim was driving. From what I've read, all of the high-profile celebrity "drug overdose deaths," from Marilyn Monroe to Janis Joplin, were mixtures of illegal drugs with heavy concentrations of alcohol. Once you mix two drugs your reaction becomes unpredictable.

Again, this is a consequence of prohibition. Alcohol is cheap so people cut back on the grass and drink more. That's a bad combination because the psychoactive effects counteract each other in certain ways, so all you're really doing is blowing your own high and loading your body down with toxins.

um dude, the few times i did weed i ALWAYS past out. only did once on achole though

are you quoting someone or are you saying some weed is like doing a line of heroin ... ?


NO. you are misunderstanding what i posted. go back and use the entire quote.

no you dont. where do you get this stuff from? a few good hits of very high thc weed (one or two) and that will send a new smoker for a loop that is not really much different from doing a small line of heroin.



straw man and irrelevant. no one uses aspirin to get high.

so I guess you are the one saying high powered weed is like heroin.... thanks for clearing that up..:rolleyes:

of course not.

read asguards post. he had a bad experience as well. do you think people are making this stuff up? heroin is much worse than weed and as i said before that is just common knowledge.

your posts #22 & #24 ???reflects asgaurd later ???...oh ok

oh no it isnt. just to repeat myself, if you smoke a highly concentrated strain of weed and are not used to it it is virtually indistinguishable from doing a small line of heroin in that you will be basically just as high. and i mean small as in normal dose for someone who is not used to heroin and doesnt want to die from it.


so you've done heroin then I take it .. where did you come up with this?

it is certainly true that you can hallucinate, maybe not to the point of lsd but there are similarities and there is no question afa paranoia and schizophrenia are concerned. it does effect people differently and i know people whos hearts race from it and also very different types of weed with mild or very low thc to very high amounts of thc.


oh no it isnt. just to repeat myself, if you smoke a highly concentrated strain of weed and are not used to it it is virtually indistinguishable from doing a small line of heroin in that you will be basically just as high. and i mean small as in normal dose for someone who is not used to heroin and doesnt want to die from it.

i clarified that statement already. the miscommunication here is that these things may only apply to certain people, afa how smoking effects them. i also understand your perspective.

bunch of smoke blowing ...and backpedaling

I can tell you with 100% certainty that marijuana was one of, if not the biggest causes for my marks dropping like a rock in junior high school and high school.

It makes you lazy and stupid... temporarily stupid (while you're high, for the whole day afterwards, and most of the next day), but when you smoke often, then you're often find yourself stupified.

As for it being a gateway drug, ohhh boy, hells yeah. At least from my experience. I'd say that from the kids I hung out with, who were pretty average, most of those who tried weed went on to do at least ecstasy as they got older. Maybe 80% of them. And all those who have not smoked weed, or tried it once and hated it, did NOT go on to try other drugs other than being occasional drinkers.

This as what I saw - not a result of a scientific study, but real personal experiences. Make of it what you want.

Would I let my future kids smoke weed? Maybe after a certain age, if their marks are good and they aren't fat slobs who don't exercise.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that marijuana was one of, if not the biggest causes for my marks dropping like a rock in junior high school and high school.

It makes you lazy and stupid... temporarily stupid (while you're high, for the whole day afterwards, and most of the next day), but when you smoke often, then you're often find yourself stupified.....

my husband was a stoner drunk in high school. He says the smoking had a bigger negative effect. I'm surprised, I would have thought the drinking. I guess I didn't realize how much he smoked

Seriously, who can smoke that much? I'd die if I smoked or had a drink everyday, and I exercise. =/

I don't smoke weed at all. Puts me to sleep.
I drink about 6 beers a month
I have funner addictions <wink wink>

You drink about as much as I do.

and your bad habit is????

um dude, the few times i did weed i ALWAYS past out. only did once on achole though

Find a new dealer.

The stuff your getting is either

A. not weed

B. laced

or

C. most unlikely, but not unheard of, you are allergic.

You must have read that in a book rather than riding in those cars to see what it was really like. Anyone who's done it will always choose the stoners. The impairment is much different. Alcohol makes people feel overconfident, aggressive and confrontational. Marijuana makes people feel patient, deferential and paranoid. That's a really big difference on the road. You can tell the drunks from the stoners by which lane they're in. The stoners are in the slow lane listening to the radio and watching out for cops.

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Nothing speaks like experience. . . .

and your bad habit is????

My bad habit? These days it's caffeine. :shrug:

Another concern is marijuana’s role as a "gateway drug," which makes subsequent use of more potent and disabling substances more likely. The Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University found adolescents who smoke pot 85 times more likely to use cocaine than their non–pot smoking peers. And 60 percent of youngsters who use marijuana before they turn 15 later go on to use cocaine.



This whole "gateway drug" thing is complete crap. Alcohol and Tobacco are far more widely used than marijuana. Why can't they be the gateway drugs? Tobacco is a stimulant, so naturally it makes sense that frequent tobacco users would move on to more intense stimulants like cocaine.

Stop regurgitating what politicians tell you.
Education > Myths

The gateway hypothesis is not valid whatsoever.

Yes and no. Part of the problem is a correlation difficulty: just that kids likely to try marijuana are likely to try other things as well.

But I still hold marijuana to being a gateway drug because kids try it and find out they've been lied to and assume they've been lied to all around.

The same could be said about....alcohol. Which is, in my humble opinion, the bigger evil of the two. These past years quite a few kids died from alcohol overdose. These kids are competing with each others who's able to drink the most, etc. It impairs judgement, too. Car accidents all over the place. Casual sex here and there. If f*cks with your liver and with your growth, too. Then kids tend to buy the cheap sh*t which is of course even worse for the liver and what not.

Good thing that I've never heard of a case where a marijuana consumer died of an overdose. =)

This whole "gateway drug" thing is complete crap. ...

I agree. Its like saying beer is the gateway drink to absinthe

I've just come into this thread and so apologise for missing stuff. My personal experience is living in a beautiful part of the country were smoking pot is a cultural way of life for many in the community of Penzance. It works well for many people who into the arts and music etc. It provides a social framework which appears to work to some degree. The only danger is for young people to start early and reduce there chances of getting a sustained successful career. I wouldn't want my two godchildren (boys of 9 and 4) to start when they are young. Unfortunately it is a distinct possibility since their father is a regular smoker (although he lives well and is an excellent attentive dad).

This whole "gateway drug" thing is complete crap. Alcohol and Tobacco are far more widely used than marijuana. Why can't they be the gateway drugs? Tobacco is a stimulant, so naturally it makes sense that frequent tobacco users would move on to more intense stimulants like cocaine.

Stop regurgitating what politicians tell you.
Education > Myths

Exactly. The truth is, people who are addicted to stimulants are highly susceptible to becoming addicted to cigarettes ALSO.



Smoke POT not crack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch smoking a pipe of sweet hemp, and playing my Hohner harmonica." - Abraham Lincoln (from a letter written by Lincoln during his presidency to the head of the Hohner Harmonica Company in Germany)