A nice video from Penn and Teller. I suspect this has already been listed in some thread but I couldn't find it - no harm in a refresh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E&feature=related

I was actually researching drinking water health and found their gem of a video on the scam of bottled water.

But whatever: The punchline in this video is - go read the bible it will significantly help your atheism.

Key points -

1. Really basic inconsistencies.
2. Many messiahs.
3. Moses? Huh!
4. Noah and the local flood.
etc
etc

Enjoy.

But the bible is BS, right? Can anyone honestly dispute these points made by P and T?

Yeah, I can. I actually have a personal relationship with god that was accomplished through christ.

As a whole, yes. But it provides some insight into ancient psychology. And there are some nifty sayings. Like people everyone, some were wise and some not, and the bible had multiple authors.

lori,


Yeah, I can.Claiming you can and actually succeeding are quite different challenges.


I actually have a personal relationship with god that was accomplished through christ.Even if true that doesn't invalidate P&Ts observations of a BS bible.

I always look at the bible and interpreted it. I am a reform Jew, so I believe in evolution and homosexual marriage. The stories in the bible might not be meant to be taken word for word, but read, questioned, and thought about. In Hebrew school, Leviticus, the long book of commandment roughly the biblical equivalent of law book, is taught before the interpreted stories in genesis and exodus.

Yeah, I can. I actually have a personal relationship with god that was accomplished through christ.

and as they said they can't touch you its an automatic tie. and you can not factually dispute it.

lori,

Claiming you can and actually succeeding are quite different challenges.

Even if true that doesn't invalidate P&Ts observations of a BS bible.

i did succeed, because what i said is true.

Nice one Cris, but this trumps it:

Carlin of course. Watch, and become enlightened.

Carlin on Commandments (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzEs2nj7iZM)

you know, people make dead baby jokes, and it doesn't make the death of a child funny. and people make racist jokes, and it doesn't make racism funny. people make derogatory jokes about women or men and it doesn't make sexism funny. and people make jokes about the bible too. it's ok. god has a sense of humor. i would imagine that he has to in order to put up with our stupidity.

Lori,

Make no mistake here - this is not a joke. Despite their perhaps crude approach they are very serious, and so are many of us, about the very obvious idiocy of much of the bible.

lori,

Claiming you can and actually succeeding are quite different challenges.

Even if true that doesn't invalidate P&Ts observations of a BS bible.

she is one of faith you cant touch someone who believes in a fairy tail. if they have faith they ahve faith thats all you can do

Lori,

Make no mistake here - this is not a joke. Despite their perhaps crude approach they are very serious, and so are many of us, about the very obvious idiocy of much of the bible.

lol...well if the many of you don't understand it, then perhaps you are the idiots. :shrug:

as a matter of fact it states in the bible that those who do not receive interpretation in regards to it by the holy spirit will not understand it.

see, it's true!

she is one of faith you cant touch someone who believes in a fairy tail. if they have faith they ahve faith thats all you can do

the bible isn't meant to be a fairy tale, or a history book, or a textbook, or the topic of debate for that matter. the bible is meant to be a tool that is used by the holy spirit to teach individuals in conjunction with a relationship with god. people don't even understand what the bible is for, how can they hope to understand it?

Barring all of the polite, erudite discussion - yes, the bible is total bullshit, no more or less so than any of the thousands of mythological texts and stories that are rejected by everyone today.

Rejected 'mythstories': 1000's

Accepted 'mythstories' (that share much of the same content as the rejected ones: 3 - 5

sifreak,


she is one of faith you cant touch someone who believes in a fairy tail. if they have faith they ahve faith thats all you can do Agreed, and as the video so aptly explains. That does mean that any attempt to debate the writings in the book with such folks is essentially pointless and fruitless, as we can see here in the few posts with Lori already.

the bible isn't meant to be a fairy tale, or a history book, or a textbook, or the topic of debate for that matter. the bible is meant to be a tool that is used by the holy spirit to teach individuals in conjunction with a relationship with god. people don't even understand what the bible is for, how can they hope to understand it?

So were the sacred texts of every ancient civilization you can name, only a handful of which remain today (heavily modified of course, e.g. bible, quran).

And if I had an equivalent tool, say a hammer, that had to be so intensely scrutinized and interpreted for proper use, I'd b e bashing my thumb every time.

Oh, right. That's what religion does. Bashes humanities collective thumb almost every day in a billion different ways. Yay for poorly designed hammers and instruction manuals.

you know, people make dead baby jokes, and it doesn't make the death of a child funny. and people make racist jokes, and it doesn't make racism funny. people make derogatory jokes about women or men and it doesn't make sexism funny. and people make jokes about the bible too. it's ok. god has a sense of humor. i would imagine that he has to in order to put up with our stupidity.

You know if your trying to defend your religion perhaps you might not want to give such great set ups for those who wish to mock it and its followers.


Really some one could easily make the comment that of course god can put up with stupidity he has to deal with his followers which is perfectly set up with your comment.

gl,


Carlin of course. Watch, and become enlightened.Yes, nice. Seen it before but nice to see it again. Thx.

sifreak,

Agreed, and as the video so aptly explains. That does mean that any attempt to debate the writings in the book with such folks is essentially pointless and fruitless, as we can see here in the few posts with Lori already.

right back atcha cris.

it's ok. god has a sense of humor. i would imagine that he has to in order to put up with our stupidity.

Human beings have to put up with his stupidity every day, there are genetic disorders, diseases, parasites, back problems, mental illness... it's like he hates us or something.

So were the sacred texts of every ancient civilization you can name, only a handful of which remain today (heavily modified of course, e.g. bible, quran).

And if I had an equivalent tool, say a hammer, that had to be so intensely scrutinized and interpreted for proper use, I'd b e bashing my thumb every time.

Oh, right. That's what religion does. Bashes humanities collective thumb almost every day in a billion different ways. Yay for poorly designed hammers and instruction manuals.

well, like any other phase of evolution, some just can't or weren't meant to keep up with the rest. the rest progress, and the some become extinct.

Human beings have to put up with his stupidity every day, there are genetic disorders, diseases, parasites, back problems, mental illness... it's like he hates us or something.

lol...and then there are so many who say "oh, it's fine! it's not that bad!"

it is bad.

that's actually the whole point of the bible and the reason for christ.

So he sets us up to suffer, then offers the solution to that suffering. Sounds like your typical crack dealer.

the bible isn't meant to be a fairy tale, or a history book, or a textbook, or the topic of debate for that matter. the bible is meant to be a tool that is used by the holy spirit to teach individuals in conjunction with a relationship with god. people don't even understand what the bible is for, how can they hope to understand it?

so you believe a guy parted the see magically healed everyone he ran into and walked on water sounds like a fairy tale to me

So he sets us up to suffer, then offers the solution to that suffering. Sounds like your typical crack dealer.

and now we know the dangers of drug abuse.

so you believe a guy parted the see magically healed everyone he ran into and walked on water sounds like a fairy tale to me

i don't know about that stuff; i wasn't there. i do however know what god's done to me, and in light of that, don't doubt the whole parting of the sea, healing, walking on water thing...

and now we know the dangers of drug abuse.

Someone's OD'd on the opium of the masses. :m: ;)

lori,


i did succeed, because what i said is true. You haven't yet said anything in response to the actual statements made in the video so we are unable to assess what you say succeeds or not.

lori,


I actually have a personal relationship with god that was accomplished through christ. This is not verifiable and is a fantastic claim with no precedent. There is no reason to believe this could be true. Since this cannot be shown to be true then using this claim as evidence of truth to other claims simply denies you of any credibility.

lori,


i don't know about that stuff; i wasn't there. i do however know what god's done to me, and in light of that, don't doubt the whole parting of the sea, healing, walking on water thing... It is known as rank gullibility.

lori,


as a matter of fact it states in the bible that those who do not receive interpretation in regards to it by the holy spirit will not understand it.The tactic is well known. Probably the best example is the story of the emperors new clothes.

I hope you know it but just in case.....

The swindling tailors convince the emperor that they have made some exquisite new clothes for him but they are magical and only the intelligent and wise people can see them. Not wanting to appear foolish he of course agrees that they are indeed beautiful clothes. They, of course, do not exist.

Salesmen throughout time have used variations on the same theme to convince people to buy their products. The bible myth writers are no exception. They know they have created total gibberish, but of course if you are not favored by an almighty god then of course the texts will appear gibberish. Not wanting to appear as if they do not understand these supposed mystical writings the gullible saps, like yourself, agree that the bible is truly wonderful.

You've been well and truly conned kiddo.

The bible is probably the greatest story ever SOLD. And it was true thousands of years ago as it is today - there is a sucker born every minute willing to believe anything they are told.

Since you cannot show that any part of any of the fantastic claims made in the bible have any truth, then really, what makes any of your assertions believable?

So he sets us up to suffer, then offers the solution to that suffering. Sounds like your typical crack dealer.
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M*W: Kind of like, I set myself up to stump my toe. So I stump my toe, but I have a system of belief or action that will take away the sore tore, and offer a solution to mend the broken toe bone. Voila! No more stumped toe!

So he sets us up to suffer, then offers the solution to that suffering. Sounds like your typical crack dealer.

or a mafiaso

lori,

It is known as rank gullibility.

No, its called deduction.

lori,

The tactic is well known. Probably the best example is the story of the emperors new clothes.

I hope you know it but just in case.....

The swindling tailors convince the emperor that they have made some exquisite new clothes for him but they are magical and only the intelligent and wise people can see them. Not wanting to appear foolish he of course agrees that they are indeed beautiful clothes. They, of course, do not exist.

Salesmen throughout time have used variations on the same theme to convince people to buy their products. The bible myth writers are no exception. They know they have created total gibberish, but of course if you are not favored by an almighty god then of course the texts will appear gibberish. Not wanting to appear as if they do not understand these supposed mystical writings the gullible saps, like yourself, agree that the bible is truly wonderful.

You've been well and truly conned kiddo.

The bible is probably the greatest story ever SOLD. And it was true thousands of years ago as it is today - there is a sucker born every minute willing to believe anything they are told.

Since you cannot show that any part of any of the fantastic claims made in the bible have any truth, then really, what makes any of your assertions believable?

That question would be better suited for the people in my life who know me best.

For example, they know I'm not an ignorant, arrogant, egotistical, patronizing asshole.

Yeah, I can. I actually have a personal relationship with god that was accomplished through christ.
I had no idea. Why would you come after me when you know I am the
same x 10? I just spent the last few days with Benny Hinn. What a MIGHTY man of God!


I always look at the bible and interpreted it. I am a reform Jew, so I believe in evolution and homosexual marriage. The stories in the bible might not be meant to be taken word for word, but read, questioned, and thought about. In Hebrew school, Leviticus, the long book of commandment roughly the biblical equivalent of law book, is taught before the interpreted stories in genesis and exodus.

The Bible is full of scripture against homosexuality.


she is one of faith you cant touch someone who believes in a fairy tail.

Fairy tail?


Human beings have to put up with his stupidity every day, there are genetic disorders, diseases, parasites, back problems, mental illness... it's like he hates us or something.

He gave us free will. We have been fcking that up ever since. Disease is not of Him. It is of Satan whose goal it is to steal, kill, and destroy. Steal your health, faith, happiness, peace, joy etc... Jesus/God loves all of us--even atheist liberals.

Then Satan is more powerful than God if he's able to make disease and God isn't able to prevent him.

I had no idea. Why would you come after me when you know I am the
same x 10? I just spent the last few days with Benny Hinn. What a MIGHTY man of God!



The Bible is full of scripture against homosexuality.



Fairy tail?



He gave us free will. We have been fcking that up ever since. Disease is not of Him. It is of Satan whose goal it is to steal, kill, and destroy. Steal your health, faith, happiness, peace, joy etc... Jesus/God loves all of us--even atheist liberals.

Because you say things like "X 10". You don't seem even remotely enlightened or loving. You are all about us and them. You alienate and you hate. It is so overwhelmingly obvious to me that it is not about the spirit with you. Its a power play, its religion, its politics.

Sandy when I was a young girl it was people just like you who turned me away from god and christ, and now that I know him, that really pisses me off. I take witnessing very seriously and you take his name in vain.

and why am i supposed to be impressed that you're hanging with benny? what did you guys do, go shopping for jewelry and cars? did you happen to mention to him that he can't sing?

lori,

This is not verifiable and is a fantastic claim with no precedent. There is no reason to believe this could be true. Since this cannot be shown to be true then using this claim as evidence of truth to other claims simply denies you of any credibility.

it would indeed be verifiable if it happened to you. and it is not a fantastic claim without precedent. it happens to be what the entire bible is about, and there are many, many who make the same claim, you just ignore and dismiss that.

i have credibility because i'm honest, and the people who know me know that, and have witnessed a very real transformation in me over the years. that is never in dispute, whether those around me believe in god or not.

Then Satan is more powerful than God if he's able to make disease and God isn't able to prevent him.

god is able to prevent him; he just chooses not to at this time.

god is able to prevent him; he just chooses not to at this time.
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M*W: How do you know god chooses not to do something? Exactly how do you know that? Can you teach others how you know that, so they may know how to do that? If this ability of yours to know what god can and cannot do can be replicated by others, then I would say you are onto something.

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M*W: How do you know god chooses not to do something? Exactly how do you know that? Can you teach others how you know that, so they may know how to do that? If this ability of yours to know what god can and cannot do can be replicated by others, then I would say you are onto something.

no i can't teach others, but because of things i've experienced, i believe that everything happens for a reason, and that god is omnipotent and omniscient.

Then Satan is more powerful than God if he's able to make disease and God isn't able to prevent him.

Where the hell did you get that from?

no i can't teach others, but because of things i've experienced, i believe that everything happens for a reason, and that god is omnipotent and omniscient.
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M*W: Okay, can you prove that everything happens for a reason, and that god is omnipotent and omniscient? Okay, just take the easy one first. Prove that everything happens for a reason. How do you know this? How would you teach this one to us? I'm not trying to be hateful to you, I just want to know your reasoning why everything happens for a reason.


Was there a reason the muscle tore in my leg when I was walking recently, trying to get a little exercise to be more healthy? Am I not supposed to exercise? (That was my thought).

M*W, the reason is that your body is telling you to eat right first THEN think about exercising.

M*W, the reason is that your body is telling you to eat right first THEN think about exercising.
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M*W: Yeah, my body had an argument with that one, too, but I was determined to start eating right and exercising, even if it killed me.

For me, eating right is not that hard to do. I am a smoker so i try and make up for that. I try and avoid cake and candy as much as possible.

Then Satan is more powerful than God if he's able to make disease and God isn't able to prevent him.
Yes! This needs a whole thread. Every single thing I ever hear from religiosos is how satan is interfering directly in every fucking thing we do and is responsible for every damned ill in the world. He's SNEAKY AND IS SEDUCING US WITH EVIL EVERY DAY!!!

Satan beats gods wipmy ass every day and twice on Sundays!

God of course is just leaving us to our god-given free will. 'Cause that's his way, right?

Ha! What a pie crust full of steaming Amish road apples! And I know steaming piles of road apples.

The Bible is not bs. Much of the prophesy in it has already come to pass. Just wait until the big stuff happens. It's gonna be SO awesome!

Where the hell did you get that from?

Shit, there are plenty of diseases that are genetic, that means God made them, assuming you believe the Bible's creation story. Or there are parasites that infect only humans and no other animal. Did Satan create those parasites?

I had no idea. Why would you come after me when you know I am the
same x 10? I just spent the last few days with Benny Hinn. What a MIGHTY man of God!


If by 'mighty man of god' you mean he is a shameless con man then I agree with you. :D

I'm amazed Americans put up with him, but I'm sure he's planned a nice retirement in some foreign tax haven or another.

wait until the big stuff happens. It's gonna be SO awesome!

What big stuff, and when exactly?

The Bible is not bs. Much of the prophesy in it has already come to pass. Just wait until the big stuff happens. It's gonna be SO awesome!
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M*W: What are these prophecies that have "come to pass." You are so sensationalisic. List them for the rest of us.

Because you say things like "X 10". You don't seem even remotely enlightened or loving. You are all about us and them. You alienate and you hate. It is so overwhelmingly obvious to me that it is not about the spirit with you. Its a power play, its religion, its politics.
Sandy when I was a young girl it was people just like you who turned me away from god and christ, and now that I know him, that really pisses me off. I take witnessing very seriously and you take his name in vain.
and why am i supposed to be impressed that you're hanging with benny? what did you guys do, go shopping for jewelry and cars? did you happen to mention to him that he can't sing?

x10 is the truth. I am not some soft little wimp Christian. I am an on-fire one who gets people churched/saved every day. It is not about religion with me, it is about Jesus Christ. The fact you mock Benny shows me how low on the pole of enlightment you truly are. How deceived.:(

same x 10? I just spent the last few days with Benny Hinn. What a MIGHTY man of God!

Hey, did you ask Benny if his marriage vows said 'Until death do us part'?

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M*W: What are these prophecies that have "come to pass." You are so sensationalisic. List them for the rest of us.

I asked her about that. She said she sees the stuff detailed in Revelations happening every day. If she does, she needs a powerful anti-psychotic prescribing.

I just spent the last few days with Benny Hinn. What a MIGHTY man of God!
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M*W: You are delusional. Here's one out of many exposes on Benny Hinn.

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/hinnfalse.html (http://www.deceptioninthechurch/hinnfalse.html)

Hilarious that our two little 'lambs of god' Lori and 'Sandy' are at each other's throats. Shows the rank hypocrisy in their shared God delusion.

Benny Hinn is awesome. Ever spent 2 days with him? Nah, I didn't think so.
Do your own homework on Revelation. It's as simple as google.

Benny Hinn is awesome. Ever spent 2 days with him? Nah, I didn't think so.

Seems his wife didn't want to spend another two days with him either.


Do your own homework on Revelation. It's as simple as google.

Done, and if you believe it's true/coming true, you are as insane as Lori.

Seems his wife didn't want to spend another two days with him either.
Done, and if you believe it's true/coming true, you are as insane as Lori.

I don't care about his personal life: I care about his ministry. You're the science-worshipper who always demands proof. The proof is now. Revelation is happening. Ignore the evidence; I don't care. We believers find it all enchanting.
http://www.kgbclothing.co.uk/images/designCanvas/designCanvasILoveJesus.jpg

I don't care about his personal life: I care about his ministry.

So Benny and his ex-wife most likely said 'until death us do part' in their marriage vows, before God. Benny lied in that case.


You're the science-worshipper who always demands proof.

'Sandy', I bet in business, you demand proof too.


The proof is now. Revelation is happening. Ignore the evidence; I don't care. We believers find it all enchanting.

I don't see plagues, or many headed beasts. Maybe you see that when you look in the mirror each morning. I don't.

I love science:

http://www.worldinvisible.com/images/apolog/body/heart02a.gif



Back at ya, Troll.

Revelation is more than plagues and beasts. I love science, too, but I worship Jesus. Who do you think designed that perfect heart? Hint; it wasn't Jarvis.

Jesus Christos? as can be found at http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jesus_Christos :shrug:

i have credibility because i'm honest


Ignore the evidence; I don't care. We believers find it all enchanting.


Believers will tell you they are credible and honest, as long as you're on the same page as them. Believers are not even on the same page with each other and will fight and kill each other over their beliefs, with credibility and honesty.

Of course, believers really don't care about any evidence whatsoever, why should they? They have their beliefs to fight over.

They find the charred remains of witches burned on the stake and the fields of dead bodies all "enchanting"

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M*W: Okay, can you prove that everything happens for a reason, and that god is omnipotent and omniscient? Okay, just take the easy one first. Prove that everything happens for a reason. How do you know this? How would you teach this one to us? I'm not trying to be hateful to you, I just want to know your reasoning why everything happens for a reason.


Was there a reason the muscle tore in my leg when I was walking recently, trying to get a little exercise to be more healthy? Am I not supposed to exercise? (That was my thought).

i have no idea, and many times, you don't know what the reason is. sometimes you might get a glimpse of it in hindsight. john99 has his ideas about it which are cause and effect related, and that's one way to look at it. my ideas are more future oriented like perhaps it prohibited you from taking another walk where a car runs off the road and mows you down, or perhaps when you went to the doctor to see about your leg they find something else more serious that you wouldn't have known about, or perhaps you meet someone in the waiting room and get your groove on...

the reason i think this way is because when i went through the weirdness in 2005, all of these seemingly trivial things from my past were brought to mind, and they all seemed to be leading me up to, preparing me for, what i was experiencing at that time. it all seemed related. it's all about a path you're on...

Who do you think designed that perfect heart? Hint; it wasn't Jarvis.

Nobody. The heart isn't 'perfect'. It wasn't 'designed'. If you think so, this is another symptom of your sickness.

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M*W: Yeah, my body had an argument with that one, too, but I was determined to start eating right and exercising, even if it killed me.

you should MW, but start with little changes and add more little changes as time progresses. it'll make it less traumatic and you're more apt to stick with it.

x10 is the truth. I am not some soft little wimp Christian. I am an on-fire one who gets people churched/saved every day. It is not about religion with me, it is about Jesus Christ. The fact you mock Benny shows me how low on the pole of enlightment you truly are. How deceived.:(

you don't know that X10 is the truth because you don't know me. you're just being egotistical.

and the fact that you say "churched/saved" every day. you don't know that either sandy. you have absolutely no idea about another persons relationship with god. and the fact that you think the church is a building and that going there and saying some prayer gets you saved is exactly what i'm talking about. it's bullshit sandy.

and oh boo hoo about benny. i wasn't mocking him at all. he CAN'T sing worth a lick. truth is i don't have a problem with benny. i think he's cute, and amusing, because he sounds like elmer fudd when he sings. i honestly hope he's not a fraud, for his own sake. but to tell the truth, his act looks like a dog and pony show to me and to a lot of other people. and to tell the truth, so does your act.

see, it all seems like a campaign with you. and i could be wrong, but it seems egotistically driven. you know what i'd like to know about you? i'd like to know if you actually love people. because a lot of the stuff you post out here is not indicative of that.

Hilarious that our two little 'lambs of god' Lori and 'Sandy' are at each other's throats. Shows the rank hypocrisy in their shared God delusion.

and you're at everyone's throat. what does that say about you?

Seems his wife didn't want to spend another two days with him either.



Done, and if you believe it's true/coming true, you are as insane as Lori.

always remember phlog, that i will be laughing while you're shitting your pants. :)

Believers will tell you they are credible and honest, as long as you're on the same page as them. Believers are not even on the same page with each other and will fight and kill each other over their beliefs, with credibility and honesty.

Of course, believers really don't care about any evidence whatsoever, why should they? They have their beliefs to fight over.

They find the charred remains of witches burned on the stake and the fields of dead bodies all "enchanting"

everyone, and i mean everyone who knows me knows i'm honest, even if that's the only same page we're ever on.

and i don't find that stuff enchanting, you do. i find it sickening.

everyone, and i mean everyone who knows me knows i'm honest, even if that's the only same page we're ever on.

We know you, too Lori.


and i don't find that stuff enchanting, you do. i find it sickening.

It is the actions of believers, Lori, and I find it sickening too. The fact that you belong to the same organization that committed these acts certainly does not demonstrate any honesty or integrity on your part.

We know you, too Lori.

you don't know me Q. if you did you'd wanna fuck me. fact is, you want to believe i'm a liar, and that's the only reason you believe i'm a liar. because you have absolutely no substantiation for that claim.




It is the actions of believers, Lori, and I find it sickening too. The fact that you belong to the same organization that committed these acts certainly does not demonstrate any honesty or integrity on your part.

i don't belong to any organizations. i pay for the services of some organizations, but none are of the religious variety.

you don't know me Q.

Of course, I do. I know you by the words you've written here. In fact, I probably know you a whole lot better than those around you because you most likely don't reveal to them what you reveal here.


if you did you'd wanna fuck me.

Ewwww... gross. I threw up on my laptop.


i don't belong to any organizations.

Of course, you do, the organization of Christ.

Kristians Kausing Konflict.

always remember phlog, that i will be laughing while you're shitting your pants. :)

Care to put a date on that? I asked you before, but you became shifty, evasive, and dishonest, and made excuses for why God wouldn't tell you.

How many prophets of doom have given a date, only for the time to pass, uneventfully? Many. You are just another. There will be no shitting of pants, Lori, that's just your delusion.

you don't know me Q. if you did you'd wanna fuck me.

Then that's not you in your avatar pic?

and you're at everyone's throat. what does that say about you?

So you speak to God and for Everyone?

Wow. Your ego knows no bounds.

Good to see you Q!

Of course, I do. I know you by the words you've written here. In fact, I probably know you a whole lot better than those around you because you most likely don't reveal to them what you reveal here.

yes i do. most people aren't as jaded and angry as you are.




Ewwww... gross. I threw up on my laptop.

hey man, survey says....




Of course, you do, the organization of Christ.

Kristians Kausing Konflict.

funny...the people in my life often seek me to resolve conflict.

Care to put a date on that? I asked you before, but you became shifty, evasive, and dishonest, and made excuses for why God wouldn't tell you.

How many prophets of doom have given a date, only for the time to pass, uneventfully? Many. You are just another. There will be no shitting of pants, Lori, that's just your delusion.

why do we need a date? as i understand it, god doesn't do anything in futility.

Then that's not you in your avatar pic?

yeah, that's me. but you make a good point...you and (Q) would make great butt buddies.

So you speak to God and for Everyone?

Wow. Your ego knows no bounds.

i don't get what you're saying here...

yes i do. most people aren't as jaded and angry as you are.

Actually, I do now remember when you mentioned that everyone around you wanted you to get professional psychiatric help. I guess I was wrong, you do tell them... :D

So, I should happy and ecstatic that the invisible and undetectable sky fairy that you love and worship will send me to an eternity of agonizing pain? Should I be respectful of your beliefs that I am pure evil?

yeah, that's me. but you make a good point...you and (Q) would make great butt buddies.

Kristians Kausing Konflict

Ah yes, the love and respect of the Kristian is overwhelming.

Of course, that's the turning of another cheek, right Lori? :D

Actually, I do now remember when you mentioned that everyone around you wanted you to get professional psychiatric help. I guess I was wrong, you do tell them... :D

So, I should happy and ecstatic that the invisible and undetectable sky fairy that you love and worship will send me to an eternity of agonizing pain? Should I be respectful of your beliefs that I am pure evil?

wow, you just admitted you were wrong. :eek:

i don't believe that you're any more evil than anyone else Q. i believe that you decide where you go and what happens to you when you die.

Kristians Kausing Konflict

Ah yes, the love and respect of the Kristian is overwhelming.

Of course, that's the turning of another cheek, right Lori? :D

no, that's me giving you shit.

Good to see you Q!

Dude! que pasa?

why do we need a date? as i understand it, god doesn't do anything in futility.

because if you don't have a date its not really much of a prophechy and you can never be wrong.

because if you don't have a date its not really much of a prophechy and you can never be wrong.

it is if it happens.

...or perhaps you meet someone in the waiting room and get your groove on...
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M*W: As a matter of fact, when I was in the waiting room there was a soldier about to be deployed to Afghanistan. I went up to him and shook his hand and thanked him for his service. He seemed rather shocked that anyone would do that, but then, I'm not just "anyone." I should have gotten his name, so I can hope I will never have to read it on some wall.

why do we need a date? as i understand it, god doesn't do anything in futility.

I want you to pick a date, so it can pass like all the other proposed dates for Armageddon have, and then maybe you'll question your 'source'.

Or you can not give a date and carry on being shifty, dishonest and evasive.

I want you to pick a date, so it can pass like all the other proposed dates for Armageddon have, and then maybe you'll question your 'source'.

Or you can not give a date and carry on being shifty, dishonest and evasive.

i don't know the date phlog, and i'm not going to lie to make you happy.

you don't know that X10 is the truth because you don't know me. you're just being egotistical.
and the fact that you say "churched/saved" every day. you don't know that either sandy. you have absolutely no idea about another persons relationship with god. and the fact that you think the church is a building and that going there and saying some prayer gets you saved is exactly what i'm talking about. it's bullshit sandy.
and oh boo hoo about benny. i wasn't mocking him at all. he CAN'T sing worth a lick. truth is i don't have a problem with benny. i think he's cute, and amusing, because he sounds like elmer fudd when he sings. i honestly hope he's not a fraud, for his own sake. but to tell the truth, his act looks like a dog and pony show to me and to a lot of other people. and to tell the truth, so does your act.
see, it all seems like a campaign with you. and i could be wrong, but it seems egotistically driven. you know what i'd like to know about you? i'd like to know if you actually love people. because a lot of the stuff you post out here is not indicative of that.

I know enough by reading your posts. You have personal attacked me since I got here. Christians don't do that. You may have the people here fooled but you don't fool me, Jesus or God.
Getting someone to church, saved, and then involved in the church is what I do as well as getting them saved. I often use "turn or burn" when they're on their deathbeds and still are too prideful to accept Him. Keeping people out of Hell is good. Saying the "sinner's prayer" is how you get saved. You accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, repent of your sins, believe he died on the cross, rose from the dead, and establish/have a personal relationship with Him is EXACTLY what gets you saved. Nothing else.
You go ahead and keep mocking mighty Christians. I will be laughing when Jesus/God deals with you about that one.
I have no act. I am like Joyce Meyer, Benny Hinn, John Hagee and all the best combined. People like me make you delirious. And we make Jesus proud. I have no ego. It was surrendered to Jesus years ago. I post facts, and that makes people flip out charging "racist!" "Bigot!" "Hater!"
Of course, I love people. I do NOT love Muslim terrorists, criminal aliens, criminals, welfare hags, people who refuse to take self-reponsibility, personal attackers and fake Christians.

The proof is now. Revelation is happening. Ignore the evidence; I don't care. We believers find it all enchanting.


You guys (christians) have been saying this same thing for how long now????? Seriously, I remember there was some guy that came out with a book called something like 88 Reasons why Jesus was to come back in 1988. Fanatics started selling their businesses, homes, etc all because of that book. Rather silly.

Perhaps Christians are the ones ignoring the fact that they have spouted this is end times crapola for so long that it should have lost meaning for you guys by now.

You guys (christians) have been saying this same thing for how long now????? Seriously, I remember there was some guy that came out with a book called something like 88 Reasons why Jesus was to come back in 1988. Fanatics started selling their businesses, homes, etc all because of that book. Rather silly.
Perhaps Christians are the ones ignoring the fact that they have spouted this is end times crapola for so long that it should have lost meaning for you guys by now.

Since the Bible was written. We are closer now than ever. SO many prophecies have come to pass. I don't care about any other books. No one knows when Jesus will come back. It will be like a thief in the night. The born-again group I hang with is joyfully awaiting His return. Whether it be in our lifetimes or not, it will be awesome! Have you read the Book of Revelation? Any of the "Left Behind" series?

I do NOT love Muslim terrorists, criminal aliens, criminals, welfare hags, people who refuse to take self-reponsibility, personal attackers and fake Christians.

then you are not a christian.

oh, and ps...you forgot about the homosexuals.

You guys (christians) have been saying this same thing for how long now????? Seriously, I remember there was some guy that came out with a book called something like 88 Reasons why Jesus was to come back in 1988. Fanatics started selling their businesses, homes, etc all because of that book. Rather silly.

Perhaps Christians are the ones ignoring the fact that they have spouted this is end times crapola for so long that it should have lost meaning for you guys by now.

hey baby! you know damn well the shit's about to go down. don't front.

It is, but not for any direct religious reason, except perhaps the sense of entitlement many Christians have towards raping the resources of the Earth.

It is, but not for any direct religious reason, except perhaps the sense of entitlement many Christians have towards raping the resources of the Earth.

atheists and buddhists do it to. we're all going down for the same reasons.

Since the Bible was written. We are closer now than ever. SO many prophecies have come to pass. I don't care about any other books. No one knows when Jesus will come back. It will be like a thief in the night. The born-again group I hang with is joyfully awaiting His return. Whether it be in our lifetimes or not, it will be awesome! Have you read the Book of Revelation? Any of the "Left Behind" series?

Oh puh-leaseeeeeee. You know you can keep looking for "signs" and claim something as prophecy but that doesn't make it so.

Yes, I've read the book of Revelations. No, have not watched the Left Behind series but I have watched some similar movies eons ago. Fortunately, I gave up all that mumbo jumbo cultish stuff up a long time ago.

i don't know the date phlog, and i'm not going to lie to make you happy.

No, you're just going to lie about knowing God, instead of realising you have mental health problems, and that makes me sad.

Oh puh-leaseeeeeee. You know you can keep looking for "signs" and claim something as prophecy but that doesn't make it so.



but it does make money. ;)

hey baby! you know damn well the shit's about to go down. don't front.

lmao nah, remember I am the one that had a dream I stopped the "rapture"

No, you're just going to lie about knowing God, instead of realising you have mental health problems, and that makes me sad.

no it doesn't.

lmao nah, remember I am the one that had a dream I stopped the "rapture"

how did you do that again? i can't remember...

heart, you know the shit's about to hit the fan, you just have a unique perspective, that's all.

but it does make money. ;)

hahaha Yep. I'm surrounded by the religious money makers here.

how did you do that again? i can't remember...

heart, you know the shit's about to hit the fan, you just have a unique perspective, that's all.

I'll pm the story to ya

hahaha Yep. I'm surrounded by the religious money makers here.

did you hear? sandy lives in an all white gated community where she segregates herself from all the people she hates. praise the lord!

no....hadn't heard that. I thought that was just a part of being an on-fire-born-again christian?

I know enough by reading your posts. You have personal attacked me since I got here. Christians don't do that. You may have the people here fooled but you don't fool me, Jesus or God.
Getting someone to church, saved, and then involved in the church is what I do as well as getting them saved. I often use "turn or burn" when they're on their deathbeds and still are too prideful to accept Him. Keeping people out of Hell is good. Saying the "sinner's prayer" is how you get saved. You accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, repent of your sins, believe he died on the cross, rose from the dead, and establish/have a personal relationship with Him is EXACTLY what gets you saved. Nothing else.
You go ahead and keep mocking mighty Christians. I will be laughing when Jesus/God deals with you about that one.
I have no act. I am like Joyce Meyer, Benny Hinn, John Hagee and all the best combined. People like me make you delirious. And we make Jesus proud. I have no ego. It was surrendered to Jesus years ago. I post facts, and that makes people flip out charging "racist!" "Bigot!" "Hater!"
Of course, I love people. I do NOT love Muslim terrorists, criminal aliens, criminals, welfare hags, people who refuse to take self-reponsibility, personal attackers and fake Christians.

AND don't you dare compare yourself with joyce meyer. that woman would eat you for breakfast. so would hagee, but for very different reasons...like if he ran out of chicken fried whatever.

AND don't you dare compare yourself with joyce meyer. that woman would eat you for breakfast. so would hagee, but for very different reasons...like if he ran out of chicken fried whatever.

dude....joyce myer is nobody to brag about being like-
joyce myer is like nails on a chalkboard-

dude....joyce myer is nobody to brag about being like-
joyce myer is like nails on a chalkboard-

i adore that woman.

i adore that woman.

:puke:

:puke:

how can you not like her? she is the real deal. i even wrote her a letter once to thank her.

how can you not like her? she is the real deal. i even wrote her a letter once to thank her.

she's just as money hungry as the rest of them. make no mistake about that. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/greedy.htm Scroll down a bit and read.

Saying the "sinner's prayer" is how you get saved. You accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, repent of your sins, believe he died on the cross, rose from the dead, and establish/have a personal relationship with Him is EXACTLY what gets you saved. Nothing else.


So, if a murderer says the sinners prayer on their death bed they get to go to heaven and rub shoulders with Jesus?

:eek:

Oh, that Joyce Meyer, I remember her from TV, what a freakazoid.

it is if it happens.

no it isn't.

Oh, that Joyce Meyer, I remember her from TV, what a freakazoid.

Yep! A BIG freakazoid!

she's just as money hungry as the rest of them. make no mistake about that. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/greedy.htm Scroll down a bit and read.

well, it's a shame she's blowing all that money on trivial things when she could be using it to help people. but honestly, i could say the same thing about myself, only to a lesser denomination. and regardless of how she spends her money, she has helped me, not with a donation, but with her words.

Oh, that Joyce Meyer, I remember her from TV, what a freakazoid.

i don't get why you guys think she's such a freak.

no it isn't.

yes it is. there is no stipulation that says prophecy has to provide dates.

i don't get why you guys think she's such a freak.

She appeals to people in the same way that Las Vegas does. It's the worship of unearned riches, a disease of modern America (probably the result of ever decreasing real wages). Besides, it's not biblical:


Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. Matthew 6:19

No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money. Matthew 6:24

no it doesn't.

Riiiiight, so So you speak to God and for Everyone, and now, me?

Wow. Your ego knows no bounds.

yeah, that's me. .

I wouldn't do you Lori. You're not very attractive. Not physically, not mentally. You're less attractive than the least physically attractiive woman I've bedded, and they were sane, and nice. Now Q, is clever. I reckon Q is smarter than me, and I know Q is better educated. Q wouldn't do you either. Q's getting better poon than you , Lori.

yes it is. there is no stipulation that says prophecy has to provide dates.

That's the whole point of prophecy, lest it diminishes into allegory.

But you aren't sane, so like the distinction matters.

Why such hatred, phlogistician? Lori may be a bit special in her thinking, but she's a sweet and kind person as far as I can tell. If there really is some mental illness there, you can't very well accuse her of lying. I believe she really believes what she says.

You have personal attacked me since I got here. Christians don't do that.

Yes, they do.


I often use "turn or burn" when they're on their deathbeds and still are too prideful to accept Him.

Notice the Kristian will continue to Kreate Konflict and attempt conversions, at any cost, at any time, without a shred of morals or decency to stand in their sadistic way.


Keeping people out of Hell is good.

Unfortunately, the Hell Kristians have created on earth for the rest of us is bad enough, perhaps a real Hell will be a picnic in comparison. Hell may also be full of Kristians, though.



You go ahead and keep mocking mighty Kristians. I will be laughing when Jesus/God deals with you about that one.

It's very easy to visualize a Kristian standing at the edge of Hell laughing inanely with their bible in hand, righteous in their insanity as their god tosses us into a fiery pit to suffer unending torture and pain. The Kristian loves and adores their master for committing this act of malevolence.

All that for simply not having a "relationship" with their god.

Hitler, Stalin and Vlad the Impaler rolled into one would have nothing on Jesus.


People like me make you delirious. And we make Jesus proud. I have no ego.

No comment.


Of course, I love people.

Just as long as they're within the extremely narrow margin of standards you demand?


I do NOT love Muslim terrorists, criminal aliens, criminals, welfare hags, people who refuse to take self-reponsibility, personal attackers and fake Christians.

To name a few...

I believe she really believes what she says.

Frightening, isn't it? :D

She appeals to people in the same way that Las Vegas does. It's the worship of unearned riches, a disease of modern America (probably the result of ever decreasing real wages). Besides, it's not biblical:


Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. Matthew 6:19

No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money. Matthew 6:24

Well I don't think that warrants freakdom.

And that's not why she appeals to me. She's been through a lot of painful crap and she's very honest about it. And she's no nonsense and funny at the same time.

Does she speak in tongues?

I wouldn't do you Lori. You're not very attractive. Not physically, not mentally. You're less attractive than the least physically attractiive woman I've bedded, and they were sane, and nice. Now Q, is clever. I reckon Q is smarter than me, and I know Q is better educated. Q wouldn't do you either. Q's getting better poon than you , Lori.

They weren't sane if they screwed you!

And you look like a girl.

And you love Q.

Riiiiight, so So you speak to God and for Everyone, and now, me?

Wow. Your ego knows no bounds.

You're too bitter to be sad and you know it.

The punchline in this video is - go read the bible it will significantly help your atheism.

Key points -

1. Really basic inconsistencies.
2. Many messiahs.
3. Moses? Huh!
4. Noah and the local flood.
etc
etc

Enjoy.

But the bible is BS, right? Can anyone honestly dispute these points made by P and T?

Of course not, they are stories verging on fairy tales, with magic and mystery adding to their appeal.

We are supposed to be living in an age where we question these types of beliefs, especially when they fly in the face of not only sense and sensibility, but also with their ease to pass, they violate all known physical laws.

And then, we are supposed to give respect to these beliefs, the very same beliefs that would have us roast for an eternity in hellfire while the very same followers we're supposed to respect cheer with gleeful delight as their gods toss us in a fiery pit. The same beliefs that would kill an innocent person for working a particular day of the week or murder a son or daughter who talked back to their parents. Respect, indeed.

No, the bible is much more than just BS. It is a recipe for murder, hatred and every other poisonous evil it can entice its followers to commit heinous acts of violence in the name of a their god, which they've committed throughout history and have grown strong in reproach.

Or, maybe the Kristians are still just pissed at being thrown to the lions. :D

Oh btw, so called christians, Lori and 'Sandy'? Get your fucking story straight, and start singing from the same page, because disagreement makes you look like the attention seeking, self affirming losers you really are.

I don't agree with sandy from a practical standpoint, and I never will.

Does she speak in tongues?

I've never heard her do that.

I don't agree with sandy from a practical standpoint, and I never will.

And, neither of you accept the other as being a Christian. Delightful. hehe

Revelation is more than plagues and beasts. I love science, too, but I worship Jesus. Who do you think designed that perfect heart? Hint; it wasn't Jarvis.
Perfect heart? It's a total piece of CRAP! I'm an engineer. I could have designed a better, more durable, less fault-prone heart with legos and silly putty.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/expatjokes/images/swing3.gif

HA! Q. Awesome!

God's final design review for a human entertainment device. And the angels did sing...

It is, but not for any direct religious reason, except perhaps the sense of entitlement many Christians have towards raping the resources of the Earth.

We just don't pay lip service like most liberals do. God gave us the earth to use.


... I gave up all that mumbo jumbo cultish stuff up a long time ago.

Let us know how that works out for you. I get people like you weekly begging to be saved before they die. They ALL wish they would have done it sooner and sob hysterically for being such disappointments to Jesus their whole lives.


AND don't you dare compare yourself with joyce meyer. that woman would eat you for breakfast. so would hagee, but for very different reasons...like if he ran out of chicken fried whatever.

:D She's a friend. So is Hagee.


So, if a murderer says the sinners prayer on their death bed they get to go to heaven and rub shoulders with Jesus?

Yep. It's happened to some pretty famous people.

Seriously though, the god of the xians and muslims or whoever, really is a tool. Sandy sees all of this AWESOMENESS in the bible, and Lori (much more rational) sees some sort of guiding plan or something, but if you just read the damned thin objectively, it's full of FAIL. EPIC FAIL.

It really is a disjointed conglomeration of stories and ramblings that even a dull child would toss in favor of "Elmo in Grouchland".

They ALL wish they would have done it sooner and sob hysterically for being such disappointments to Jesus their whole lives.

Even Hindus? And Muslims? And Native Americans? And Buddhists?

You're pretty arrogant and self righteous for a glorified used car salesman, ya know? Well, at least you have the advantage of knowing for sure that when you die you'll be on your knees giving real blowjobs to jebus and his pals for eternity, instead of just this lip service you give now. That has to be fairly comforting.

We just don't pay lip service like most liberals do. God gave us the earth to use.

Rapist too, huh? Good for you.


:D She's a friend. So is Hagee.
You go to hell for lying you know.

We just don't pay lip service like most liberals do. God gave us the earth to use.

Lip service to what, environmentalism? Because Christian environmentalism is so rare it makes the news.

Lip service to what, environmentalism? Because Christian environmentalism is so rare it makes the news.

Yes, to the religion of earth worship. Most of the liberals who cry and moan the most about global warming do nothing about it. They don't contribute, they don't live as green as possible, and they are hypocrites. Most Christians I know don't "rape the earth". They live like normal Americans.

Yes, to the religion of earth worship. Most of the liberals who cry and moan the most about global warming do nothing about it. They don't contribute, they don't live as green as possible, and they are hypocrites. Most Christians I know don't "rape the earth". They live like normal Americans.
Look dippy. Most xians are republicans, the most Earth-ass-raping group in existence.

We just don't pay lip service like most liberals do. God gave us the earth to use.
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M*W: The Earth is for all of us to use but not abuse.


Let us know how that works out for you. I get people like you weekly begging to be saved before they die. They ALL wish they would have done it sooner and sob hysterically for being such disappointments to Jesus their whole lives.
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M*W: They are just as delusional as you are.


:D She's a friend. So is Hagee.
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M*W: So what you are saying is that you're hung up with these religion opportunists. They might as well be selling snake oil. My guess is that you've been to one of their revivals and managed to meet them once. Maybe you've been the one hanging at their heals for a prayer. I feel sorry for you. Maybe I should feel sorry for them.

Yes, to the religion of earth worship. Most of the liberals who cry and moan the most about global warming do nothing about it. They don't contribute, they don't live as green as possible, and they are hypocrites. Most Christians I know don't "rape the earth". They live like normal Americans.
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M*W: Sandy, what is your definition of a "normal American?"

They find the charred remains of witches burned on the stake and the fields of dead bodies all "enchanting"

LOL...what witches? Did you watch a made for t.v movie?




funny...the people in my life often seek me to resolve conflict.

He is trying to say KKK, but they were against Christians just like he is. He would fit right in with them. He also forgets Martin Luther King (MLK), Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton were\are Christians.

Christians would not burn crosses or call themselves Wizards. Luckily the Klan was stopped (by Christians).

you don't know that X10 is the truth because you don't know me. you're just being egotistical.
.

What is X10?

Perfect heart? It's a total piece of CRAP! I'm an engineer. I could have designed a better, more durable, less fault-prone heart with legos and silly putty.

That has to be the most bizarre thing i have ever read...anywhere.

And dont tell me Sandy gets you so excited that you think like an imbecile. Explain that comment.

Shit, there are plenty of diseases that are genetic, that means God made them, assuming you believe the Bible's creation story. Or there are parasites that infect only humans and no other animal.

There are reasons for everything.


Did Satan create those parasites?

:bugeye:

That has to be the most bizarre thing i have ever read...anywhere.

And dont tell me Sandy gets you so excited that you think like an imbecile. Explain that comment.

Leaky valves. AV nodes that malfunction. Arrhythmias of all kinds. Prone to stopping suddenly without notice. Need I go on?

An ALMIGHTY creator could have done a much more sound engineering job. Hell, a new ME graduate could do better. That's what I mean. As a design (which of course it isn't - it's an evolved organ) it sucks.

Ok? Care to discuss any of the other horribly "designed" pieces of gods handy work?

LOL...what witches? Did you watch a made for t.v movie?
You are aware of history aren't you?


He is trying to say KKK, but they were against Christians just like he is.
Christians would not burn crosses or call themselves Wizards.
Apparently not.

Being an engineer you may know that the heart is just a pump. If you can design something that light weight and can last for 90-100 years with no maintenance and can do this the whole time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_rate and is made from human tissue...i cannot believe i am even having a discussion like this.

In reality, you are comparing man made pumps to hearts. I doubt medically there is a true replacement and even then would not be made of tissue and cannot interact with the human emotion.

oh man....:facepalm:

You are aware of history aren't you?


VERY aware of history, yes.


Apparently not.

Not what?

and cannot interact with the human emotion.
How does a heart "interact with the human emotion"?


oh man....:facepalm:
Quite.

How does a heart "interact with the human emotion"?


It slows down and speeds up.

VERY aware of history, yes.
No, you don't seem to be.


Not what?
Aware of history.

If you think that witch-burning is only from TV and that the KKK weren't Christian then you aren't as aware as you think you are.

It slows down and speeds up.
No, I meant HOW does it do it?
It reacts to chemical signals - something which can be built into a mechanical heart.

No, I meant HOW does it do it?
It reacts to chemical signals - something which can be built into a mechanical heart.

why dont you ask Superlumiunal that? He claims to be able to build a better one. I guess it depends on the parts he uses. some bolts, some gaskets....LOL.

:facepalm:

Start brushing up on your science guys. M*W has an excuse, being an Astrologer.

why dont you ask Superlumiunal that?
I gave the answer: you didn't seem to be aware of it, hence your ridiculous claim.


He claims to be able to build a better one. I guess it depends on the parts he uses. some bolts, some gaskets....LOL.
And you think he's wrong because...?

Start brushing up on your science guys. M*W has an excuse, being an Astrologer.
Take your own advice. And add history to your list while you're at it.

I gave the answer: you didn't seem to be aware of it, hence your ridiculous claim.


You gave the answer? LOL. I have studied anatomy and medicine extensively so i have a good idea of how things work.;)

And dont Troll me bro.

You gave the answer?
Yes:

It reacts to chemical signals - something which can be built into a mechanical heart.
Post #163 (http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2563827&postcount=163) - which you at least partly read and replied to.


LOL. I have studied anatomy and medicine extensively so i have a good idea of how things work.;)
And yet you still make ridiculous claims.


And dont Troll me bro.
I'm not your bro' and if anyone's trolling it's you. YOU are the one making unfounded claims.

Yes:

Post #163 (http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2563827&postcount=163) - which you at least partly read and replied to.



#163:

No, I meant HOW does it do it?
It reacts to chemical signals -

I did say emotions, didnt I?


something which can be built into a mechanical heart.

Would you trade a human heart (at birth) for a mechanical heart?

http://health.howstuffworks.com/artificial-heart.htm



I'm not your bro' and if anyone's trolling it's you. YOU are the one making unfounded claims.

Dont Troll me bro - Dont Taze me bro.;)

What unfounded claims?

I did say emotions, didnt I?
And what do emotions do?
Release chemicals. Which the heart reacts to.


What unfounded claims?
That an artificial heart can't interact with human emotions.

Are you implying that chemicals released are not tied into emotions? You have to remember there are still quite a few unknowns. One of which i believe to have discovered.

And what do emotions do?
Release chemicals. Which the heart reacts to.
.

So now you are going to repeat what i said and take credit? Nice.

So now you are going to repeat what i said and take credit? Nice.
Wrong. I stated it in post #163.


Are you implying that chemicals released are not tied into emotions?
What?
I stated that they ARE.

And what do emotions do?
Release chemicals. Which the heart reacts to.


You have to remember there are still quite a few unknowns.
So what?


One of which i believe to have discovered.
Can you put that into English?

And you STILL haven't addressed this false claim:

cannot interact with the human emotion.

Deleted all the filler, unsubstantiated fluff and ad homs.



And you STILL haven't addressed this false claim:

The false claim alluded to:

cannot interact with the human emotion.

Why dont you show they can? and then we will work on the particulars.

"Can you put that into English?"

It is very clear. I have made a medical discovery, completed it a few years ago and drafted a dissertation.

Deleted all the filler, unsubstantiated fluff and ad homs.
There are NO ad homs. But I did point out your latest false claim: that I repeated something you said. And the other false claim that I denied something I has specifically stated.


The false claim alluded to:

cannot interact with the human emotion.
Why dont you show they can?
Wrong. I didn't "allude" to anything. I quoted your false claim.
Which you have yet to support.
Do you sincerely believe that we cannot make equipment that reacts to chemical changes?
Equipment that can't detect chemicals released into the body?
How do you imagine we actually know what chemicals are released if we can't detect and classify them?

"Can you put that into English?"

It is very clear. I have made a medical discovery, completed it a few years ago and drafted a dissertation.
No, it wasn't clear at all.
Your sentence

One of which i believe to have discovered.
was incomplete and made no sense.

It should have read

One of which i believe I have discovered. if that's what you meant.

Dwydder,

"Do you sincerely believe that we cannot make equipment that reacts to chemical changes?
Equipment that can't detect chemicals released into the body?
How do you imagine we actually know what chemicals are released if we can't detect and classify them?"

First Superluminal claims to be able to design a better heart. He made some semi coherent claims but nothing to support it.


Originally Posted by superluminal
Perfect heart? It's a total piece of CRAP! I'm an engineer. I could have designed a better, more durable, less fault-prone heart with legos and silly putty.

Now you are not backing this up and not even that one has been built by anyone. Do that and drop the BS, people are seeing this now.

"Do you sincerely believe that we cannot make equipment that reacts to chemical changes?
Equipment that can't detect chemicals released into the body?
How do you imagine we actually know what chemicals are released if we can't detect and classify them?"
Can you answer those questions?
They should be simple enough for someone who claims to

have studied anatomy and medicine extensively


First Superluminal claims to be able to design a better heart. He never responded further.
Now you are not backing this up and not even that one has been built by anyone. Do that and drop the BS, people are seeing this now.
I see.
Because you can't answer my questions (and support your false claim) you somehow think that me not replying for Supes is sufficient for you to spout more nonsense.
And I'll remind you one more time: the original claim about reacting (or not) to emotions was YOURS. It's up to you to back it up.
I'll give you a clue to help you - my questions that are quoted at the start of this post should be a hint.

Can you answer those questions?
They should be simple enough for someone who claims to


But that does not show that a human made heart has been produced that is better than a natural heart.:confused:

But that does not show that a human made heart has been produced that is better than a natural heart.:confused:
It wasn't meant to.
It was to point out how ridiculous your claim was.

One more time: I'm not answering for Supes (he can do that well enough himself when he logs back in). It's your claim that an artificial heart can't react to emotions I'm disputing.

It's your claim that an artificial heart can't react to emotions I'm disputing.

With?

With?
What do you mean "with"?
I've pointed out that emotions equate to chemical release and that we can detect those chemicals and manufacture equipment to react to them.
In other words you're wrong.

What do you mean "with"?
I've pointed out that emotions equate to chemical release and that we can detect those chemicals and manufacture equipment to react to them.
In other words you're wrong.

Lets examine your evidence.

Also, remember the initial claim. We dont want to forget or obfuscate what we are discussing here.

Lets examine your evidence.
For what?
Do you deny that we can detect those chemicals?
Do you deny that we can make equipment that will react when those chemicals are detected?
I remind you again that the original claim was yours.
Where's YOUR evidence?

Also, remember the initial claim. We dont want to forget or obfuscate what we are discussing here.
And again:

One more time: I'm not answering for Supes (he can do that well enough himself when he logs back in). It's your claim that an artificial heart can't react to emotions I'm disputing.

You've done little BUT obfuscate.

And again:

Now you want to pass it onto him alone?

I remind you again that the original claim was yours.
Where's YOUR evidence?

Ask any surgeon.

Now you want to pass it onto him alone?
More avoidance.
Supes made his statement. I didn't.
What I did do however was point out that your "objection", to wit:

cannot interact with the human emotion.
has little to no substance to it.

Ask any surgeon.
Still wrong.
YOU made the claim. Incorrectly.
Quote me a surgeon saying that. Go ahead.

LOL...what witches? Did you watch a made for t.v movie?

He is trying to say KKK, but they were against Christians just like he is. He would fit right in with them.

What other events in recent American history do you deny occurring, John?


He also forgets Martin Luther King (MLK), Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton were\are Christians.

Really? I thought they were Mormons?


Christians would not burn crosses or call themselves Wizards. Luckily the Klan was stopped (by Christians).

Yes, aren't we all ever so lucky to have had the Klan Kausing Konflict?

Kristians would never Kause Konflict.

[QUOTE=(Q);2563905]What other events in recent American history do you deny occurring, John?

I didnt deny anything.


Really? I thought they were Mormons?

Mormons? And you are serious too.

Still wrong.
YOU made the claim. Incorrectly.
Quote me a surgeon saying that. Go ahead.

:facepalm:

They work, but my claim is still factual

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/21/eveningnews/main6507572.shtml

I didnt deny anything.

Good one. Will you now deny that you denied your denial?

Good one. Will you now deny that you denied your denial?

What the hell are you talking about?

They work, but my claim is still factual
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/21/eveningnews/main6507572.shtml
No, that article says nothing about emotions or reacting to them.
I'll ask again:
Do you deny that we can detect those chemicals?
Do you deny that we can make equipment that will react when those chemicals are detected?

Do you deny that we can detect those chemicals?


Of course not.:confused:


Do you deny that we can make equipment that will react when those chemicals are detected?

That will require you to provide an example.

What the hell are you talking about?

HA! So now you question the last denial of the denial previous to your first denial? What do you think you're doing, John. That's really not playing cricket by the Marquess of Queensbury rules, is it?

Of course not.:confused:
So we're one step towards having a heart that reacts to emotions.


That will require you to provide an example.
What do you think happens in order for us to detect a chemical? The equipment reacts to that chemical.
How about an easy one: litmus paper.
How about any of these (http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=chemical+sensor)?
Or more simply, if we haven't got things that react to specific chemicals how do we tell one from another?
What about bomb detectors that react to Semtex?

Hey, did you guys know there was a firefox add-on that recognizes bible quotes and automatically provides a link to the passage in question?

The Bible Refalizer automatically searches for Bible references within web pages and adds hyperlinks from those references to an online Bible. (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5982/)

That's totally cool, spidey.

Why such hatred, phlogistician? Lori may be a bit special in her thinking, but she's a sweet and kind person as far as I can tell. If there really is some mental illness there, you can't very well accuse her of lying. I believe she really believes what she says.

Where have I said I hated Lori? I haven't, that's just Lori playing her violin to the score of 'persecution complex'.

And of course she has a mental illness. She reckons she hears God's voice. FFS, how much evidence do you need?

Where have I said I hated Lori? I haven't, that's just Lori playing her violin to the score of 'persecution complex'.

And of course she has a mental illness. She reckons she hears God's voice. FFS, how much evidence do you need?

i'm not playing a violin, and i never said you hated me either. your accusations and inclinations speak for themselves.

and for the 87th time, i have never been diagnosed with any mental illness. you waffle constantly between accusing me of being mentally ill and being a liar. fact is, regardless of the two accusations being contradictory, there is no evidence of either such thing. you just enjoy insulting people.

Seriously though, the god of the xians and muslims or whoever, really is a tool. Sandy sees all of this AWESOMENESS in the bible, and Lori (much more rational) sees some sort of guiding plan or something, but if you just read the damned thin objectively, it's full of FAIL. EPIC FAIL.

It really is a disjointed conglomeration of stories and ramblings that even a dull child would toss in favor of "Elmo in Grouchland".

not necessarily a guiding plan...more like the story of my life. not that i'm comparing myself with god or jesus, but when i read the stories in the bible, about what god put the characters through, i can relate to that because of what i've experienced in my own life. also, when i read the scriptures, i can relate them to myself and to my life. there was a time when god told me to open up the bible, and go to specific scripture, and he said point blank, "this is you".

i'm not playing a violin, and i never said you hated me either. your accusations and inclinations speak for themselves.

and for the 87th time, i have never been diagnosed with any mental illness. you waffle constantly between accusing me of being mentally ill and being a liar. fact is, regardless of the two accusations being contradictory, there is no evidence of either such thing. you just enjoy insulting people.

saying you can hear the voice of an invisible person that there is absolutly 0 proof of ever exsisting would be terms by definition of being having a mental illness

Lori does not have a mental illness in the commonly understood meaning of the phrase. However the one-way switch in her brain has been activated by some external event and no ammount of reasoning will ever switch it back. All humans have this switch. With some it's never activated. With others it becomes active some time in later life. These are the Born Again Christians who can be as dangerous as the fanatical Muslims or Jews whose switches have already been thrown. Religion is the most dangerous form of "madness" known to human beings. It has caused nearly every conflict in history and continues to do so today. Hitler killed 6 million Jews just because of who they were. Show me a religious person and I'll show you a completely closed mind devoid of any ability to question what is going on about them. There appears to be a difference between mildly religious people who will debate with you and the ones where the switch has been thrown. It would be fascinating to investigate their brains using modern scanners just to see if a pattern defect could be found. This sort of experiment would never be allowed I'm sorry to say as the results may prove devasting for religionists. It always surprises me why the Turin shroud will not be offered for a full forensic analysis. It seems the Church are afraid to do this. Only tiny samples were taken decades ago with inconclusive results.

In conclusion I cannot say if or when my switch will be thrown. It usually happens close to death for a lot of people because of fear of the unknown. I'm still waiting.

Lori does not have a mental illness in the commonly understood meaning of the phrase. However the one-way switch in her brain has been activated by some external event and no ammount of reasoning will ever switch it back. All humans have this switch. With some it's never activated. With others it becomes active some time in later life. These are the Born Again Christians who can be as dangerous as the fanatical Muslims or Jews whose switches have already been thrown. Religion is the most dangerous form of "madness" known to human beings. It has caused nearly every conflict in history and continues to do so today. Hitler killed 6 million Jews just because of who they were. Show me a religious person and I'll show you a completely closed mind devoid of any ability to question what is going on about them. There appears to be a difference between mildly religious people who will debate with you and the ones where the switch has been thrown. It would be fascinating to investigate their brains using modern scanners just to see if a pattern defect could be found. This sort of experiment would never be allowed I'm sorry to say as the results may prove devasting for religionists. It always surprises me why the Turin shroud will not be offered for a full forensic analysis. It seems the Church are afraid to do this. Only tiny samples were taken decades ago with inconclusive results.

In conclusion I cannot say if or when my switch will be thrown. It usually happens close to death for a lot of people because of fear of the unknown. I'm still waiting.

what switch?

what external event?

i am not religious.

i am not fanatical.

i am not dangerous.

as a matter of fact, it was my questioning of things around me that led to spiritual events and interactions, that changed my mind, and changed my life. i have not and will not cease to question. i believe that's why we're here.

saying you can hear the voice of an invisible person that there is absolutly 0 proof of ever exsisting would be terms by definition of being having a mental illness

it's not a person.

it's not a person.

than en entity either way its a moot point it still applys

than en entity either way its a moot point it still applys

not necessarily. not if god exists and a spiritual realm exists. did you know that schizophrenia has no known cause? it's just a label for something that's not understood.

not necessarily. not if god exists and a spiritual realm exists. did you know that schizophrenia has no known cause? it's just a label for something that's not understood.

i did know that i also know that people with it cant function in a normal manner..

if its a spiritual world your still saying something that there is 0 proof of existing is talking to you by definition is a mental illness

what switch?

This is just a way of explaining to you that anyone who has blind faith, as you do, that it's like a switch going off in your brain. You say you question everything but you are coming up with the wrong answers.

what external event?

You say reading events in the bible mirrors your life. You have obviously had some unhappy thing happen to you. Would you like to tell us about them.

i am not religious.

Interesting answer. What are you then

i am not fanatical.

Hearing Gods voice in your head suggests otherwise

i am not dangerous.

Maybe not in a physical sense, but your belief system suggests that you make decisions based on what you believe and not necessariliy what is rational. This makes you dangerous.

what switch?

This is just a way of explaining to you that anyone who has blind faith, as you do, that it's like a switch going off in your brain. You say you question everything but you are coming up with the wrong answers.

i don't have blind faith, and the answers are not wrong.


what external event?

You say reading events in the bible mirrors your life. You have obviously had some unhappy thing happen to you. Would you like to tell us about them.

everyone has unhappy things happen to them, and that's not why i know god.


i am not religious.

Interesting answer. What are you then

i'm a human being like everybody else. i'm a middle class, middle aged woman.


i am not fanatical.

Hearing Gods voice in your head suggests otherwise

no it doesn't. perhaps you should look up the term fanatical.


i am not dangerous.

Maybe not in a physical sense, but your belief system suggests that you make decisions based on what you believe and not necessariliy what is rational. This makes you dangerous.

what i believe is rational, and i am not dangerous. what i've experienced has actually made me more stable and loving, stronger, with peace of mind.

i did know that i also know that people with it cant function in a normal manner..

if its a spiritual world your still saying something that there is 0 proof of existing is talking to you by definition is a mental illness

i function in a normal manner (based on what i think your definition of a normal manner is).

i don't have blind faith, and the answers are not wrong.

The answers are unproven and that's the whole point. Hence the term blind faith.

i am not religious.

Interesting answer. What are you then ”

i'm a human being like everybody else. i'm a middle class, middle aged woman.

Why are you trying decouple your belief in God from being religious? Are you in some way embarressed at the crazy antics of the outwardly religious bible belt? If this is the case I admire and salute you.

Let us know how that works out for you. I get people like you weekly begging to be saved before they die. They ALL wish they would have done it sooner and sob hysterically for being such disappointments to Jesus their whole lives.


It's worked really well for me, Sandy. In fact, I have never felt more free in my life.

ALL? Just how many dying people do you badger before they die?

You realize your religion is about violence? That's not cool in my book and certainly something I would not cry about for being "such a disappointment" Hell, I'm more pearly white than the Biblical God and believe me, I'm not tooting my own horn. Even the Bible describes God as a violent bully who throws fits (kills whatever it takes) to get what he wants. No thanks.

Let us know how that works out for you. I get people like you weekly begging to be saved before they die. They ALL wish they would have done it sooner and sob hysterically for being such disappointments to Jesus their whole lives.
Dying can be scary, terminal illness tends to affect your judgement as well. It takes courage to face your own death without the help of after life mythology, I'm not surprised at all if some people pussy out.

Lori does not have a mental illness in the commonly understood meaning of the phrase. However the one-way switch in her brain has been activated by some external event and no ammount of reasoning will ever switch it back. All humans have this switch.

Interesting analogy. However, we have control of this switch. Damn thing broke on me a few years back because I was constantly having to turn it back on every day, and when I finally got it repaired, I found I liked the switch better in the off position.

you guys are fantasizing about a switch. just sayin...

i don't have blind faith, and the answers are not wrong.

The answers are unproven and that's the whole point. Hence the term blind faith.

the answers have indeed been proven to me, hence my rebuttal.

i am not religious.

Interesting answer. What are you then ”

i'm a human being like everybody else. i'm a middle class, middle aged woman.

Why are you trying decouple your belief in God from being religious? Are you in some way embarressed at the crazy antics of the outwardly religious bible belt? If this is the case I admire and salute you.

i'm not embarrassed by them, i just don't wish to associate with them on that level. i didn't get my beliefs from religious people or religion necessarily. i got them from spiritual interactions (interactions with spirits) that supported scripture.

Dying can be scary, terminal illness tends to affect your judgement as well. It takes courage to face your own death without the help of after life mythology, I'm not surprised at all if some people pussy out.
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M*W: I thought Sandy meant that these people were begging for forgivene$$ and $alvation at the altar of some televangali$t.

i got them from spiritual interactions (interactions with spirits) that supported scripture.

This is what is called, "Lying for Jesus" - No morals, none whatsoever.

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M*W: I thought Sandy meant that these people were begging for forgivene$$ and $alvation at the altar of some televangali$t.

that is the way she put it, and i wouldn't doubt that's how she makes her money.

"give me all your money and recite this prayer and you'll go to heaven".

This is what is called, "Lying for Jesus" - No morals, none whatsoever.

i'm not lying, and it's not because i'm moral. it's because i know god is real and he doesn't like it when i lie. there is no benefit to lying.

you're paranoid (at least). :m:

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M*W: I thought Sandy meant that these people were begging for forgivene$$ and $alvation at the altar of some televangali$t.

Oh, I'm sure that makes for a good show! And guess what? They can leave all their estate to the church, tax free (I assume)!

did you know that schizophrenia has no known cause? it's just a label for something that's not understood.

"Studies suggest that genetics, early environment, neurobiology, psychological and social processes are important contributory factors; some recreational and prescription drugs appear to cause or worsen symptoms." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia)

Have you ever been a drug user?

Why are you trying decouple your belief in God from being religious? Are you in some way embarressed (Sic) at the crazy antics of the outwardly religious bible belt?

There is a difference. Do you badger everyone?


If this is the case I admire and salute you.
:roflmao:

"Studies suggest that genetics, early environment, neurobiology, psychological and social processes are important contributory factors; some recreational and prescription drugs appear to cause or worsen symptoms." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia)

Have you ever been a drug user?

There is no known cause of schizophrenia phlog. So studies can suggest all kinds of things all day long and still not have an answer.

And yes I've done some recreational drugs. Drank some beer, smoked some pot, did coke a few times, shrooms a couple times, and tried a half hit of acid once and wasn't a big fan.

There is no known cause of schizophrenia phlog. So studies can suggest all kinds of things all day long and still not have an answer.

Well, studies clearly show a statistical trend, and point towards those factors.


And yes I've done some recreational drugs. Drank some beer, smoked some pot, did coke a few times, shrooms a couple times, and tried a half hit of acid once and wasn't a big fan.

And now you have schizophrenia. Hardly a surprise, eh?

Well, studies clearly show a statistical trend, and point towards those factors.



And now you have schizophrenia. Hardly a surprise, eh?

I've never been diagnosed with any mental illness. But what happened to me was indeed a surprise. It was a meaningful spiritual event or events.

I've never been diagnosed with any mental illness. But what happened to me was indeed a surprise. It was a meaningful spiritual event or events.

Neither have I. But then I have never sought a diagnosis either, never having had a mental episode. You on the other hand have had one, did you seek professional diagnosis at that time?

Neither have I. But then I have never sought a diagnosis either, never having had a mental episode. You on the other hand have had one, did you seek professional diagnosis at that time?

no. i did have an mri and a visit with a psychologist to appease my parents though. the stuff i was testifying to made them think i had a brain tumor or something.

i didn't seek one myself because i found so much meaning in what i experienced, it was extremely biblically oriented, and i found validation/verification of what i experienced in the real world around me. it was substantiated to me by some people who were involved in it. it was difficult to reconcile; it was a lot to take in. and it was frustrating and isolating just because it was so unusual, and i didn't understand how to react to it. but i was never afraid. i didn't feel threatened. it was challenging but, my entire life, i've never had a problem getting an education, maintaining a job, a home, successful relationships.

now i look back on what i experienced and it seems like a lifetime ago. i came out the other end of it transformed, and in a good way. hey, my atheist brother just told me that the other day. my father, who urged me to get an mri and went with me to the psychologist attests to the same thing. i'm a strong person, and i have peace of mind that i didn't have before i went through this thing. i'm really glad it happened to me. it forced me to really see what i was made of and who i am, and to be ok with that. a lot of people don't get that opportunity and some might get it some other way, but this worked for me. it accomplished something good. you think i need a pill for that?

now i look back on what i experienced and it seems like a lifetime ago. i came out the other end of it transformed, and in a good way.

All that I see from your explanation is that you supplanted a psychosis with religion. The psychosis is still there, though.

All that I see from your explanation is that you supplanted a psychosis with religion. The psychosis is still there, though.

i did not direct that, and i am not experiencing, and had never experienced what i did in 2005. that was off the charts.

otherwise, i am making the only logical conclusion there is to make. i wouldn't be doing myself any favors if i denied that. it would be futile.

otherwise, i am making the only logical conclusion there is to make.

Anyone with a mental illness cannot logically or consistently diagnose themselves.

Anyone with a mental illness cannot logically or consistently diagnose themselves.

when something is substantiated, it makes sense, and produces a result that is good and beneficial, i fail to see how that logically indicates a mental illness.

when something is substantiated, it makes sense, and produces a result that is good and beneficial, i fail to see how that logically indicates a mental illness.

Yes, I know you would find it illogical, that's my point.

Yes, I know you would find it illogical, that's my point.

you know as well as i do that mental illness typically results in the opposite of that.

you know as well as i do that mental illness typically results in the opposite of that.

I don't equate what you know with what I know, Lori. That is the fundamental difference that guides your beliefs.

I don't equate what you know with what I know, Lori. That is the fundamental difference that guides your beliefs.

well then in this case, you're wrong.

Anyone with a mental illness cannot logically or consistently diagnose themselves.Which really means that no one can logically or consistently diagnose themselves, since no one can be objective about themselves.

no. i did have an mri and a visit with a psychologist to appease my parents though. the stuff i was testifying to made them think i had a brain tumor or something.

So you had a mental episode, and didn't seek professional help?

That's no way to get cured. BTW, an MRI doesn't put you in the clear, that will only show up a subset of physical flaws with the brain. The cause could be any number of other things that would not show up. For instance, if you didn't have an angiogram, the MRI is pretty worthless.

So you had a mental episode, and didn't seek professional help?

That's no way to get cured. BTW, an MRI doesn't put you in the clear, that will only show up a subset of physical flaws with the brain. The cause could be any number of other things that would not show up. For instance, if you didn't have an angiogram, the MRI is pretty worthless.

We covered this in another thread. Why do you propose to seek help for something that you perceive to be meaningful and good? An experience that leaves you better off?

And for all intents and purposes, I am "cured". Not only am I not experiencing now the same type of phenomenon as I did in 2005, but the experience itself "cured" me of a lot of nasty things like fear and inhibition.

Its also the reason I'm happily married right now. I'm very grateful for what I experienced.

We covered this in another thread. Why do you propose to seek help for something that you perceive to be meaningful and good? An experience that leaves you better off?

And for all intents and purposes, I am "cured". Not only am I not experiencing now the same type of phenomenon as I did in 2005, but the experience itself "cured" me of a lot of nasty things like fear and inhibition.

Because the underlying problem could still be there. If it's happened before, it could easily happen again. Damage to the Anterior Prefrontal Cortex can lessen inhibition, you really should consider the possibility that the experiences you had were due to a physical cause.

My partner had an AVM, an 'Arterial Veinous Malformation', that only caused her problems twice, the 2nd time it caused a fit, and she then had it treated using Gamma Ray Stereoscopy. These things kill people sometimes, if they burst. The only way to image it was with an MRI and an Angiogram. You just having an MRI does not rule out the possibility of some defect being present.

If you plan to get married, and spend your life with this guy, I think you owe it to him to get these things checked out, so if there is a problem, you can get it resolved, and not cause him undue stress if the problems return. You can keep your faith, and have good health, treating any problems probably isn't going to turn you into an atheist.

Because the underlying problem could still be there. If it's happened before, it could easily happen again. Damage to the Anterior Prefrontal Cortex can lessen inhibition, you really should consider the possibility that the experiences you had were due to a physical cause.

My partner had an AVM, an 'Arterial Veinous Malformation', that only caused her problems twice, the 2nd time it caused a fit, and she then had it treated using Gamma Ray Stereoscopy. These things kill people sometimes, if they burst. The only way to image it was with an MRI and an Angiogram. You just having an MRI does not rule out the possibility of some defect being present.

If you plan to get married, and spend your life with this guy, I think you owe it to him to get these things checked out, so if there is a problem, you can get it resolved, and not cause him undue stress if the problems return. You can keep your faith, and have good health, treating any problems probably isn't going to turn you into an atheist.

i don't necessarily think that physiology is irrelevant to spiritual experiences. having said that, i wouldn't trade what happened to me for the world. i'm in good health, mental and otherwise. and i could drop over dead from a heart attack tomorrow. i don't see a good reason to live in fear of something you have no control over. i'm not negligent. but what if the same phenomenon did happen to me again? i'm inclined to think i'd end up even better off. bottom line is that god takes care of me and i'm not afraid of death.

my husband had his own trippy spiritual experience back in 2005. our experiences are actually why we're together. they brought us together, and they allow us to have an intimacy that we otherwise wouldn't be able to have with somebody else. it's a fucking miracle.

i'm in good health, mental and otherwise.

If you actually have to keep telling us that over and over... :D

If you actually have to keep telling us that over and over... :D

because you arbitrarily keep calling me an insane liar over and over...:D