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Someone7
11-20-00, 06:16 PM
I’m not really sure how to word this post, and I’m still not exactly sure what it is I want to get across to the people who will read it as I write this, but I know I must write it anyway, to get it off my chest.

For one thing, I’m a teenager. I never usually try to go out of my way to tell people my age, because it usually only hinders people accepting what I have to say, especially in places for debate of this sort. I am sixteen, male, and a dropout (another thing I don’t go out of my way to mention). I have no real life, no girlfriend, no license, no job, etc, etc. I sit at my computer most of the day, talking to various people, about various things. Of course this information implies certain negative qualities about my real life character, some of those implications are probably correct. I don’t go to great lengths to cover this up, indeed, I will admit I am a dropout if asked why I am online all the time, and I will admit my age, if asked in a sincere interest to get to know me better. Though this is a time that I feel I should give this information, so as you can better understand what I experienced today at the book store.

I woke up at roughly 5:30 PM EST yesterday, and have been up since then. I spent that evening, and all night, and most of the morning, talking to people in IRC, AIM, and an online RPG called EverQuest. When my sister woke up, I asked her if she would take me to the bookstore in the mall, she agreed, she already had plans on meeting our parents for lunch.

Before I continue, I’ll tell you why I wanted to go to the bookstore. It all started because of a thread in this forum, mentioning the book The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy. Tiassa is very articulate person, and her posts have almost fascinated me. I have heard of this book before, and when I read that post, I knew I would probably be buying the book very soon. In about a week, I bought the novel, and took it to a friend’s house to read it (wouldn’t ya know, he already bought the book himself…). I thought it was the most enjoyable thing I’ve read in a long time, since it has been awhile since I read a novel. Anyway, after reading it, I was going to buy the other books, but learned that they are all cramped into one book called The Ultimate Hitchhiker’s Guide. So, when I got back home, I was going to buy it and take back the paperback I purchased, but my dad cleaned my room while I was gone, and threw away the receipt. I was mildly irritated, but it wasn’t going to stop me from buying the entire series anyway. I put going to the mall off for awhile, because I had recently started playing EverQuest, but I got around to it today.

Back to the present, we went to lunch at Hooters. I highly recommend not going to that restaurant, the food is not that great, and the prices are way too high. Waitresses walking around in short shorts and cutoff tank tops isn’t worth the high prices, to say the least. We ended up paying 60$ for the meal, when we could have ate at a fast food place for around 20$. Since I didn’t actually pay anything, it wasn’t the price that made me wish I didn’t go there, it was the extreme gas I had after eating there. When we were walking out of that place, I was farting everywhere every 2 minutes. As time passed, dropping my dad back off at work, it only got worse. By the time I was in the bookstore, it was only slightly better, for little while. Almost like a calm before the storm. Then, I felt like I had to crap in my pants, walking around looking at books. I just ignored the feeling, and keep walking around anyway, trying to fart yet not defecate in my pants, to release some of the extreme pressure in my bowels. Very agonizing, but this isn’t what I’m writing about.

What I’m writing this post about is much more than having a gas attack in public. After finding The Ultimate Hitchhiker’s Guide, I was looking around, not really looking at anything. My sister, her boyfriend, and my mother were nowhere in sight, probably off at a CD store. I began looking at the sections. It has always annoyed me that this bookstore carries hardly any D&D books, and I was wondering if they had anything else that interested me. I went to the Japanese language section, to see if they had anymore books that I might want to buy. They didn’t, so I just keep walking around, and then I saw the Christian sections. There were so many of them, that the bible even had it’s own rack, for different translations and such. There were more Christian book sections than probably anything else in the store, except for the fiction sections. I looked around, and say a good number of sections devoted to New Age books, though only equaling about a fourth of the Christian books. Suddenly, I wondered if they had an atheism section. I walked around, I saw none. I walked around again, and saw the Philosophy section, with two racks devoted to it. I thought surely that they would have a section for atheism, so I walked around once more. Nothing. I returned to the philosophy section, wondering if there were any atheism books. I looked for two minutes before I spotted one, at the bottom of the rack.

I looked at the book. It was a purple book, thick, with yellow letters that read ATHEISM THE CASE AGAINST GOD. I looked at it some more. I looked around, seeing if anyone was looking at me. I bent down, and picked up the book, and flipped to a random page somewhere in the middle. Feeling frightened for some strange reason, I put the book back on the shelf. I stood up, looked at the book some more. I haven’t felt the sensation I felt since I went bunjee jumping, several years ago. It was like having butterflies in my stomach. I wanted to buy this book more than anything at that moment, but I thought it would be hard to hide it from my family on the way home. I thought about the situation some more, and decided that it wouldn’t be that hard, and after a leap of courage, I picked up the book, heading to the counter, using The Ultimate Hitchhiker’s Guide to cover up the book as I walked to the counter.

That’s when I heard my mother’s voice.

I looked back, and felt my stomach hit my knees. I immediately turn back, turned the corner to some book rack, and placed the book there, and went to greet my family.

Big deal you say? I was thinking of this forum the whole time. I was wondering whether or not I would write about my experience in not wanting to purchase the book, or when I picked the book up, how I went ahead with it. It wouldn’t have been a very long post, just something I would probably mention, maybe not even if I didn’t buy the book. But I made a conscious decision to pick the book up, and chickened out when I saw my family.

This event has enraged me. It has enraged me to the point to where I want to scream obscenities to Christians, for having their religious dominance in this country intimidate me into staying in the ‘closet’ about my beliefs. I can’t really describe how bad I feel because I was afraid of being seen as an atheist by my family, people who do believe in God, especially my mother. On the way home, not only was I still fighting bowel pains, I was fighting back tears, tears of anger, anger at Christianity, anger at this country, anger at my family, but most of all anger at myself for being a coward. I still almost feel like crying as I write this, and I really don’t know how to express what I feel at the moment into words. I made this post just to tell someone how I feel, to try and release the emotions I feel at the moment. I think it has worked somewhat, but now I seriously need to get some sleep.

I hope I enjoy the rest of Arthur Dent’s adventures.

MoonCat
11-20-00, 06:43 PM
Someone,

Hey man, take a shit, wipe yer eyes and take a deep breath. :)

You okay now?

Okay firstly: You're a 16 year old guy, of course you're an emotional train wreck.

Secondly: I think there is probably not a single human being in this nation that, at age 16 or so, has figured out something about themselves that they know/guess will make their parents have a heart attack of some kind. For some it's that they don't follow their parent's religion. For some it's that they are homosexual. For some it's that they have "lost" their virginity. What I'm trying to say is that you're definitely not alone, I think that emotion you've got turning your guts into balloon animals is probably a mandatory part of growing up. I've been there, done that, and thank Goddess (or whatever you do or don't believe in) I not only am done with it, but managed to survive it in a somewhat sane fashion.

I'm glad, Someone, that you are the type of guy that articulates his turmoil instead of picking up a Glock and taking out a few classmates. Very commendable, and it bodes well for your future as a "functional" adult. (Whatever that might be)

Good heavens, man, now that I think about it, I'm a married woman, have been living on my own (well, with my hubby) for years, and yet I still have things I don't tell my mother. I still get that "stomach hit my knees" feeling when I think about it, or if I think someone's going to let slip a secret. Yeepers!

I know what you mean about the book sections. (Were you in Borders, by any chance?) Being the witchy woman that I am, I've worn their shelves out searching out what I'm looking for, while all the while a thousand slip-covered Jesuses stare at my back. But, I dunno, it's never bothered me before. I guess I don't mind terribly not being like everyone else, y'know?

I dunno exactly what my whole point is here, but did I help a little? The good news is that soon you'll be a legal adult, hiding things from your mom on your own time. ;)

Blessings.

Bowser
11-20-00, 08:33 PM
There's nothing wrong with exploring other possibilities. Just remember that some ACTIONS can't be reversed. Best wishes for your future journeys

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Emerald
11-20-00, 10:48 PM
The good news is that soon you'll be a legal adult, hiding things from your mom on your own time.

MoonCat,

I laughed out loud at this one!! :D

Yes, Someone - what MoonCat said is very true and well stated to boot (as usual :) ). In fact, I still hide all my witchy books in the back bedroom so my born-again mom won't see them when she stops by. And I'm a grandmother, for goodness sakes!

I haven't read a good book on atheism myself, but I've had a few that have been recommended to me by atheists. One is called, "Losing Faith in Faith : From Preacher to Atheist", by Dan Barker, a former Christian minister. Another is "The Born Again Skeptic's Guide To The Bible", by Ruth Hurmence Green. The third is called "The Jesus Puzzle. Did Christianity Begin with a Mythical Christ? : Challenging the Existence of an Historical Jesus", by Earl J. Doherty. I actually have all 3 of these on order from Amazon.com, as Borders didn't have any of them. I'm running out of room in my bedroom for all these books I'm buying! ;)

Good luck in your quest for truth, Someone.

Blessings,

Emerald

P.S. Tiassa is a guy. :)

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An ye harm none, do what ye will.

DaveW
11-21-00, 03:02 AM
I would suggest skipping over atheism entirely and heading straight for <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0394704371/exoscience">nihilism</a>. Atheism on its own is as unsatisfying as any religion.

[This message has been edited by DaveW (edited November 20, 2000).]

Tiassa
11-21-00, 04:12 AM
S7--

All communication abilities have failed me. Thus my advice is compressed to its most useless, tidbit form:

* We would not have made it to the moon when we did if our society was based on Buddhism. Neither, though, would we seek to flee the planet so quickly were we Buddhist.

* Scream. Now. Loudly. While you can. You're young enough to sustain a full-blown breakdown if you keep your dignity throughout. The downside is that, at some point, self-destruction occurs. I can't seem to stop that in the formula, but if you're careful about burning out, the sun still rises the next day.

* Smoke your own body weight in hashish. I derive this advice from a story Zonker told Howie at the daycare in Doonesbury years ago. If you find the comic strip, you'll find the ones that go around it. If you find the ones that go around it, you'll end up reading twenty years'-worth of cartoons in a few days. Thus, I revise: Smoke your own body-weight in hashish while reading Doonesbury and listening to Floater's "Burning Sosobra", Floyd's "The Wall", or QoTSA's "Rated R".

Tweak the dials some, turn life into a farce for your own amusement. When I get too pissed off to function, I find a corner and watch the parade go by, smoking and grinning and thanking God that I'm aware enough to not be marching rank and file from the cradle to the grave.

I quote Robyn Hitchcock, and thus offer you peace:

God finds you naked and he leaves you dying. What happens in between is up to you.

Be good, and things will be in kind.

(Toldja-so I'm useless!) ;)

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

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Whether God exists or does not exist, He has come to rank among the most sublime and useless truths.--Denis Diderot

Tony H2o
11-21-00, 04:20 AM
S7,

Honestly S7 I don't think your so much angry with God or Christianity, but more so at religion and control in general. Yeah I know how it feels to be 16....................... AGGGGGGHHHHHH everyone tellin me what to do, don't do, and then there's all them hormones going berserk. Is it any wonder we bail out?

Well I'm kind of in a muddle at the moment on how to fully comment or respond, I guess I'll just go with my gut. (no pun intended)

What I find amazing, (and I hope I can be open and honest with you here) but what I find incredible and difficult to express is that all the impressions that I had about you, all the things I could see masked behind angry words, all the ........well pain I felt that you were going through, you know the stuff I'm talking about, not just the exosci msg board discussions but the e-mails, the whole lot, well it all fits with how you have just described yourself. And I guess what makes it and made it feel so strong is that I saw a lot of me in your words when I was your age and where you are. A dropout, a loner, hey I know you've probably got friends but even then life seems so empty, and so many people with so much cheap advice, how the hell does a young bloke find his way in it all? I'm sitting here thinking how amazing it is that two people so far apart can seem to have so much in common and yet be so very different in their views. I'm amazed almost bewildered by it. Thank you for being honest and open.

But back to the hate thing, as I said I really don't think you were angry at God or any religion in general. I think you were more angry with yourself. I think that the reason you hid the book was not because of your mom believing, I think it goes deeper than that, more a case of loving someone and not wanting to appear as a disappointment beyond what you already feel you are to them? Not wanting what may perhaps be the only person in the world who sees and hope, any potential in you to be hurt by you? Have a think about it OK?

I think what played out for you that day was that subconsciously you felt compelled because of your emotional ties to your mom (deep emotional ties, not superficial emotionalism) well that you wanted to protect her from any hurt you may cause her.

The time will come S7 and perhaps is near when some of these hidden aspects, some of the things that no one sees about you will need to be discussed. Until you can be open with those closest to you then the turmoil of that day will echo on. You know the thing that I'd be angry at? Myself, my relationship with those that I love and who love me, I'd be angry about that because what we have is not a closeness that allows for openness, honesty and truth.

S7 as angry and as anti-christian as you may consider yourself to be, I don't. In fact I see the total opposite, I see a young man that sounds a lot like I did, trying to make sense of a lot of things and to find his place in it all. I don't see an anti stance, I see an inquiring, inquisitive and hurting young man.

Good hunting S7, I hope and honestly shed tears of prayer that you do find what you need to be whole.

OH yeah, Mooncats first line of advice applies well, but I'd like to add a bit if I may..................

After the deep breath take a good look in the mirror and see what's written in the eyes of the man that is staring back at you.

Do you know this man?


What we see is but a moment of a lifetime, the outward appearance will change as will what is written in those eyes as time unfolds.

When we are but little children we speak and act in childish ways
As we grow up we see the life that surrounds us in a new light
And our childish ways no loner seem appropriate with the greying of age
Yet we yearn so strongly with a hunger and in despair
To once again be that little child and to act in childish ways

Don't be so hard on yourself S7, to quote Cat Stevens:

"your still young that's your fault, there's so much you have to go through"


Allcare

Tony H2o

Stretch
11-21-00, 09:50 AM
Hiya 7,

I think you`re a pretty big man to face your inner conflicts so openly and honestly, and to take the time to reflect and to introspect. That`s pretty cool. And if you were my son, I`d be pretty proud of you. Know that life will be an ongoing lesson, but with your inherent ability at honest introspection, you WILL be a winner. And most importantly, never forget to ENJOY!

Take care.