Seems our founding Fathers had a very far sighted look into the future, and the problems of a run amuck government driven by the acquisition of power concentrated in Washington, bought with the moneys and property of other People for the so called general welfare.

"We still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping at the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised to furnish new pretenses for revenue and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without a tribute."
-- Thomas Paine

"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Albert Gallatin, 1817

"As a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights. Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions."
-- James Madison, National Gazette essay, March 27, 1792

Ironic, since Thomas Paine proposed the progressive tax system that Republicans complain about. "grasping at the spoils of the multitude" doesn't exactly describe taxes on the wealthy, but rather taxes on the middle class.

Seems our founding Fathers had a very far sighted look into the future, and the problems of a run amuck government driven by the acquisition of power concentrated in Washington, bought with the moneys and property of other People for the so called general welfare.

"We still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping at the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised to furnish new pretenses for revenue and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without a tribute."
-- Thomas Paine

"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Albert Gallatin, 1817

"As a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights. Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions."
-- James Madison, National Gazette essay, March 27, 1792

The Founding Fathers are dead. The USA isn't some shrine built to their ideologies. While studying them is a great idea. One cannot refer freely to them as if we should all set aside our notions of what is right in favor of what they wanted. We're a Republic and what we want now takes precedence over their desires.

Moreover, the constitution has been changed. Slaves freed. Women enfranchised. Direct taxes legalized. It's not the exact same nation it was back then.

~String

an I the only person who finds the irony some with an anti federalist view point(buffalo) quoting federalists?

an I the only person who finds the irony some with an anti federalist view point(buffalo) quoting federalists?

There is very little about life that is not, in some way, ironic.

~String

Thomas Jefferson was not a Federalist, and James Madison helped, Jefferson to reverse the federalist rule.

http://www.leftjustified.com/leftjust/lib/sc/ht/fed/mbio.html

In 1801, after Jefferson was elected President, Madison entered the Cabinet as Secretary of State. This was a period of rapid growth & change. He was deeply involved in many of the federal reforms executed by Thomas Jefferson, many of which were intended to reverse the effects of federalist rule.

As to Thomas Paine, He published the Federalist Papers, which had nothing to do with Federalism as a political system, and everything to do with explaining the Constitution and why it should be adopted.

So as to those quote's, they reflect the Constitution as I see it, and from a first person view as Jefferson Madison and Paine were instrumental in it's construction, passage, and implementation along with adoption of the Bill of Rights, a true reflection of the Living Constitution as it was intended to be the Law of the United States.

http://www.americanaphonic.com/

So do the research before you call Jefferson, Madison or Paine Federalist.


Jefferson was again the opponent and Federalists pulled out all stops in warning that he was a dangerous revolutionary, hostile to religion, ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_Party


Jefferson writes, "The true theory of our Constitution is surely the wisest and best that the states are independent as to everything within themselves, and united as to everything respecting foreign affairs"(Doc A). This belief that anything not mentioned within the Constitution was reserved for the states was represented the Democratic-Republican ideals a good deal. Thus, as in the Kentucky resolutions, both concluded that the federal government had exceeded its constitutional powers and that the states should not accept the Alien and Sedition Acts. Also, the Republicans strived for democracy; a weak central government; a rigid economy; the reduction of federalist office holders; state banks; relative freedom of the press and speech; concentration of agriculture in the South; minimal navy for coastal defense, which was achieved by Jefferson; and were primarily pro-French. These ideals were addressed during the Jefferson and Madison presidencies.

But in times of Crisis They modified their stance;


However, in times of great crisis, the two presidents seemed to abandon their Democratic-Republican beliefs and lean towards a strong central government.

But Jefferson always returned to His Roots....


http://www.oppapers.com/essays/Madison-Jeffersons-Federalist-Ideas/86560



Thomas Jefferson, Federalist.
Peter S. Onuf
"We are all republicans -- we are all federalists," Thomas Jefferson told the American people in his first inaugural address. A "President above Parties" who believed factionalism jeopardized the safety and security of republican government, Jefferson was here setting forth the common principles shared by all patriotic Americans. Jefferson's election -- the "Revolution of 1800" -- would, he confidently predicted, put an end to the frenzied, hysterical party struggles in the 1790s. Moderate Federalists who had voted for John Adams would soon see the errors of their ways. But "if there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it." In contrast to the Adams Federalists, who had sought to suppress their opponents with the Alien and Sedition Acts and had instead spurred Jeffersonian-Republicans on toward their electoral revolution -- Jefferson would allow his critics to discredit and disgrace themselves before the sovereign people.1

1. Inaugural Address, March 4, 1801, reprinted in Merrill D. Peterson, ed., The Portable Thomas Jefferson (New York, 1975), 290-95, at 292.

http://etext.virginia.edu/journals/EH/EH35/onuf1.html

Thomas Jefferson was not a Federalist, and James Madison helped, Jefferson to reverse the federalist rule.

http://www.leftjustified.com/leftjust/lib/sc/ht/fed/mbio.html

In 1801, after Jefferson was elected President, Madison entered the Cabinet as Secretary of State. This was a period of rapid growth & change. He was deeply involved in many of the federal reforms executed by Thomas Jefferson, many of which were intended to reverse the effects of federalist rule.

As to Thomas Paine, He published the Federalist Papers, which had nothing to do with Federalism as a political system, and everything to do with explaining the Constitution and why it should be adopted.

So as to those quote's, they reflect the Constitution as I see it, and from a first person view as Jefferson Madison and Paine were instrumental in it's construction, passage, and implementation along with adoption of the Bill of Rights, a true reflection of the Living Constitution as it was intended to be the Law of the United States.

http://www.americanaphonic.com/

So do the research before you call Jefferson, Madison or Paine Federalist.


Jefferson was again the opponent and Federalists pulled out all stops in warning that he was a dangerous revolutionary, hostile to religion, ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_Party


Jefferson writes, "The true theory of our Constitution is surely the wisest and best that the states are independent as to everything within themselves, and united as to everything respecting foreign affairs"(Doc A). This belief that anything not mentioned within the Constitution was reserved for the states was represented the Democratic-Republican ideals a good deal. Thus, as in the Kentucky resolutions, both concluded that the federal government had exceeded its constitutional powers and that the states should not accept the Alien and Sedition Acts. Also, the Republicans strived for democracy; a weak central government; a rigid economy; the reduction of federalist office holders; state banks; relative freedom of the press and speech; concentration of agriculture in the South; minimal navy for coastal defense, which was achieved by Jefferson; and were primarily pro-French. These ideals were addressed during the Jefferson and Madison presidencies.

But in times of Crisis They modified their stance;


However, in times of great crisis, the two presidents seemed to abandon their Democratic-Republican beliefs and lean towards a strong central government.

But Jefferson always returned to His Roots....


http://www.oppapers.com/essays/Madison-Jeffersons-Federalist-Ideas/86560



Thomas Jefferson, Federalist.
Peter S. Onuf
"We are all republicans -- we are all federalists," Thomas Jefferson told the American people in his first inaugural address. A "President above Parties" who believed factionalism jeopardized the safety and security of republican government, Jefferson was here setting forth the common principles shared by all patriotic Americans. Jefferson's election -- the "Revolution of 1800" -- would, he confidently predicted, put an end to the frenzied, hysterical party struggles in the 1790s. Moderate Federalists who had voted for John Adams would soon see the errors of their ways. But "if there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it." In contrast to the Adams Federalists, who had sought to suppress their opponents with the Alien and Sedition Acts and had instead spurred Jeffersonian-Republicans on toward their electoral revolution -- Jefferson would allow his critics to discredit and disgrace themselves before the sovereign people.1

1. Inaugural Address, March 4, 1801, reprinted in Merrill D. Peterson, ed., The Portable Thomas Jefferson (New York, 1975), 290-95, at 292.

http://etext.virginia.edu/journals/EH/EH35/onuf1.html

The federalists were those who argued for the power of the federal government and to not worry that the constitution would protect peoples rights. The anti federalists were against the constitution because they felt more was needed to protect peoples rights and were for the rights of the states and local governments. most of the founding fathers were federalists the only major person in my knowledge that was an anti federalist was Patrick Henry. I wasn't referring to the parties but the federalist and anti-federalist papers.

The federalists were those who argued for the power of the federal government and to not worry that the constitution would protect peoples rights. The anti federalists were against the constitution because they felt more was needed to protect peoples rights and were for the rights of the states and local governments. most of the founding fathers were federalists the only major person in my knowledge that was an anti federalist was Patrick Henry.

Citation and reference please, I have provide both, so now do the same and prove your point.

Jefferson, Madison, and Paine argued for the power of the State and the People, as I have shown in their quotes, from reference, and citation.

Now do the same.

Now lets throw some more learned quotes into this;

"It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man who knows what the law is today can guess what is will be tomorrow."

-- James Madison, Federalist no. 62, February 27, 1788

"The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite."

-- Thomas Jefferson

This does not bespeak of a Man who is for more power for the Federal Government.

James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, elaborated upon this limitation in a letter to James Robertson:

"With respect to the two words "general welfare," I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators. If the words obtained so readily a place in the "Articles of Confederation," and received so little notice in their admission into the present Constitution, and retained for so long a time a silent place in both, the fairest explanation is, that the words, in the alternative of meaning nothing or meaning everything, had the former meaning taken for granted"

Nether do these thoughts.

Citation and reference please, I have provide both, so now do the same and prove your point.

Jefferson, Madison, and Paine argued for the power of the State and the People, as I have shown in their quotes, from reference, and citation.

Now do the same.

You see this is why I hate debating you. You demand basic historical facts like Madison, Paine, and Jefferson were in supporting of the federalists( supporting the federalist paper view point) be cited and sourced for. They don't have to be.. Um it can be assumed Madison was a federalist he did in fact right a large amount of the federalists papers. Paine being close to Hamilton and Madison and his support of them implies him being a federalist.(He also didn't publish the federalist papers either. he was Europe than.) Jefferson was in Paris at the time and was updated by none other than Madison and was generally thought favorably of the Federalists.

"The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite."

-- Thomas Jefferson

He was also likely referring to the royalism of an elite class of very rich people, perhaps also the inheritance of unearned wealth which helps build such dynasties.

Now lets throw some more learned quotes into this;

"It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man who knows what the law is today can guess what is will be tomorrow."

-- James Madison, Federalist no. 62, February 27, 1788

"The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite."

-- Thomas Jefferson

This does not bespeak of a Man who is for more power for the Federal Government.
check mate. I was referring to the people who supported the federalist paper view point.

check mate

Thank you for admitting defeat.

Thank you for admitting defeat.

???what the fuck. You have a very different idea of what the words of the english language entail than the rest of us. I'm not admitting defeat. Your showing Madison wrote the federalist papers defeated YOU.

???what the fuck. You have a very different idea of what the words of the english language entail than the rest of us. I'm not admitting defeat. Your showing Madison wrote the federalist papers defeated YOU.

Maybe you should do the research first before you stick your foot in your mouth, Check and Mate.

In total, the Federalist Papers consist of 85 essays outlining how this new government would operate and why this type of government was the best choice for the United States of America. All of the essays were signed "PUBLIUS" and the actual authors of some are under dispute, but the general consensus is that Alexander Hamilton wrote 52, James Madison wrote 28, and John Jay contributed the remaining five.

http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/

Jefferson might have been taken for a prophet nowadays, if we didn't already know how effing smart he was.


If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

Jefferson might have been taken for a prophet nowadays, if we didn't already know how effing smart he was.

The grreat thing is that everything they wrote, is just as true today, as it was when they established the Constitution.

The grreat thing is that everything they wrote, is just as true today, as it was when they established the Constitution.

You might want to double check some of things they supported and wrote about. Some of those your fond of quoting wanted things you would be against. Thomas Paine for instance was a proponent of a progressive tax system and a minimum wage.

Maybe you should do the research first before you stick your foot in your mouth, Check and Mate. Like you did when you said Paine published the federalist papers?


In total, the Federalist Papers consist of 85 essays outlining how this new government would operate and why this type of government was the best choice for the United States of America. All of the essays were signed "PUBLIUS" and the actual authors of some are under dispute, but the general consensus is that Alexander Hamilton wrote 52, James Madison wrote 28, and John Jay contributed the remaining five.

http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/

all well and good but what is in the papers wasn't really part of my argument but who supported the papers you know people like Madison, Paine, and Jefferson.

Like you did when you said Paine published the federalist papers?

My mistake, but that has nothing to do with the point that Federalism has nothing to do with the Federalist Papers, and the fact that Jefferson and Madison were not Federalist, they were nature and party, Republican Democrats, and opposed by the Federalist, Alexander Hamilton.



all well and good but what is in the papers wasn't really part of my argument but who supported the papers you know people like Madison, Paine, and Jefferson.

No pj it isn't all well and good because you do not have any inkling of what you are talking about, from Britannica Concise Encyclopedia: Federalist Party





Early U.S. political party that advocated a strong central government.

Federalist was first used in 1787 to describe supporters of the Constitution of the United States, with its emphasis on a federal union; the Federalist papers was a series of 85 papers (1787 – 88) published by Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay to persuade New York voters to ratify the Constitution.

By the 1790s other policies defined the party, including Hamilton's fiscal program, creation of a central bank, a tariff system, favourable treatment for U.S. shipping, friendship with Britain, and neutrality in foreign affairs.

The party elected John Adams as president in 1796 but was unable to organize effectively after 1801. It lost favor for its opposition to the Embargo Act and the War of 1812; an internal split by the New England faction (see Hartford Convention) further weakened the party.

By the 1820s most of its original principles had been adopted by the opposition Democratic Party, and the Federalist Party disappeared

So the if Jefferson and Madison were Federalist why are they opposed in their elections by the Federalist Party?

Thomas Jefferson and James Madison were by party Republican Democrats, who believed in smaller Government, and the Sanctity of the Rights of the People, from the Creator as expressed in the;


Constitution of the United States

Or the;


Columbia Encyclopedia: Federalist party

After the Constitution was adopted and the new government was established under the presidency of George Washington, political division appeared within the cabinet,

the opposing groups being headed by Alexander Hamilton and by Thomas Jefferson.

The party that emerged to champion Hamilton's views was the Federalist party.

Its opponents, at first called Anti-Federalists, drew together into a Jeffersonian party; first called the Republicans and later the Democratic Republicans,

they eventually became known as the Democratic party. Party politics had not yet crystallized when John Adams was elected President, but the choice of Adams was, nevertheless, a modest Federalist victory.


So now provide citation and reference to support your contentions as you have failed to do so, so far.

So what don't you get that the Federalist Papers, (a workingman explanation of the meaning and purpose of the Constitution) have nothing to do with the Federalist Party and it's goals, two completely different subjects, that by coincidence, has a Common word associated with them.

I should charge you tuition for the education your are receiving.

So again Check and Mate.

The grreat thing is that everything they wrote, is just as true today, as it was when they established the Constitution. Those of us trying to get the US to socialize its central bank - have the government own it and run it - welcome your future support.

What made you change your mind?

My mistake, but that has nothing to do with the point that Federalism has nothing to do with the Federalist Papers, and the fact that Jefferson and Madison were not Federalist, they were nature and party, Republican Democrats, and opposed by the Federalist, Alexander Hamilton. Once again in your effort to show your vast knowledge you show your ignorance. Federalist can be used to refer to federalist party or federalist ideology(the way your using it) It can also refer to those who supported the constitution and the federalist papers(the way I'm using it.





No pj it isn't all well and good because you do not have any inkling of what you are talking about, from Britannica Concise Encyclopedia: Federalist Party


[CENTER]

Early U.S. political party that advocated a strong central government.

Federalist was first used in 1787 to describe supporters of the Constitution of the United States, with its emphasis on a federal union; the Federalist papers was a series of 85 papers (1787 – 88) published by Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay to persuade New York voters to ratify the Constitution. him You say it isn't all well and good and than you go and prove my usage correct bravo.


So the if Jefferson and Madison were Federalist why are they opposed in their elections by the Federalist Party? because that wasn't the federalist I was talking about.









So now provide citation and reference to support your contentions as you have failed to do so, so far. Whats the point if I wait long enough you'll do it for me like you have done.


So what don't you get that the Federalist Papers, (a workingman explanation of the meaning and purpose of the Constitution) have nothing to do with the Federalist Party and it's goals, two completely different subjects, that by coincidence, has a Common word associated with them. I get that. And when i tried to explain to you I was referring to the one you kept on harping on the other. I'm glad you finally figured out federalist can refer to two different things.


I should charge you tuition for the education your are receiving. ?? you educate me. :roflmao: Your telling me things I already knew in a rather sad attempt to prove I was using a word one way when I flat out said I was using it another. If anything was educating you because you certainly weren't high school teachers.


So again Check and Mate.
Game, Set, Match. I win Kaiba.

Those of us trying to get the US to socialize its central bank - have the government own it and run it - welcome your future support.

What made you change your mind?

Who said I was in favor of a Socialized Centeral Bank, or that the Founding Fathers ever were?

Socialism is as much a danger to the Republic as Federalism.

Again it isn't in the Constitution, so it isn't Constitutionally legal.


"I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground that 'all powers not delegated to the United States, by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states or to the people.' To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of power not longer susceptible of any definition."

-- Thomas Jefferson, Opinion on the Constitutionality of a National Bank, February 15, 1791

Once again in your effort to show your vast knowledge you show your ignorance. Federalist can be used to refer to federalist party or federalist ideology(the way your using it) It can also refer to those who supported the constitution and the federalist papers(the way I'm using it.

him You say it isn't all well and good and than you go and prove my usage correct bravo.

because that wasn't the federalist I was talking about.

Whats the point if I wait long enough you'll do it for me like you have done.

I get that. And when i tried to explain to you I was referring to the one you kept on harping on the other. I'm glad you finally figured out federalist can refer to two different things.

?? you educate me. :roflmao: Your telling me things I already knew in a rather sad attempt to prove I was using a word one way when I flat out said I was using it another. If anything was educating you because you certainly weren't high school teachers.


Game, Set, Match. I win Kaiba.

Yes, pj anything you say, if it make you happy.

Yes, pj anything you say, if it make you happy.

What you mean facts?

"Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government."

--James Madison

"Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government."

--James Madison

Promoting the general welfare is the duty of government. Are the two so different?

Promoting the general welfare is the duty of government. Are the two so different?

Yes.

Care to expound?

Care to expound?

You first.

You first.

What is there for me to expound? The question to you is, how are the two different? You said they were... so how?

What is there for me to expound? The question to you is, how are the two different? You said they were... so how?

Do you understand the Constitution and the fact that it is a Limit on the Powers of the Federal Government, or difference between the Individual and the General?

Do you understand the Constitution and the fact that it is a Limit on the Powers of the Federal Government, or difference between the Individual and the General?

That's a glass half empty/full perspective. Instead of saying it limits the federal government, you could also say that the constitution empowers the federal government to do things. The end result is the same.

Who said I was in favor of a Socialized Centeral Bank, or that the Founding Fathers ever were? I was just bemused by this:


"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
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Jefferson might have been taken for a prophet nowadays, if we didn't already know how effing smart he was. "
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The grreat thing is that everything they wrote, is just as true today, as it was when they established the Constitution.

I was just bemused by this:

Well what is the Federal Reserve, the central private bank for the U.S., if you care to check, before the Federal Reserve act, there were many banks, not a central reserve bank.

Read the Federal Reserve Act, that is exactly what was established by the powers granted to the Federal Reserve, in the Federal Reserve Act, the Federal Reserve is not a Branch of the Government, nor is it authorized by the Constitution of the United States, only Congress can coin money.

Article 1, Section 8, article 5, of the Constitution of the United States;

Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

That's a glass half empty/full perspective. Instead of saying it limits the federal government, you could also say that the constitution empowers the federal government to do things. The end result is the same.

No the Constitution only grants certian limited powers to the Federal Government, and nothing more, and again read Article 1, Section 8, of the Constituiton, and it is very clear what the Constitutoin defines as The General Welfare, as meant by the Framers of the Constitution.

Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

The General Welfare of the United States, not the Individual.

Do you really have any inkling of the fact of the Constitution.