This is the busty young woman who stood up and made that passionate scripted speech about the Constitution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzCoPh8DZ7M&feature=player_embedded#t=471

Wow. She is complacent about wars because she's been "used to it", but the minute we try to give people HEALTH CARE, she freaks out. I just don't get these people.

This is the busty young woman who stood up and made that passionate scripted speech about the Constitution.


She had no choice. Obama wouldn't loan her a teleprompter. :shrug:

She had no choice. Obama wouldn't loan her a teleprompter. :shrug:Oh, are you one of those people who don't know how teleprompters are actually used?

Wow. She is complacent about wars because she's been "used to it", but the minute we try to give people HEALTH CARE, she freaks out. I just don't get these people.

Is this attitude the norm in the USA ?
She makes $250,000 or more a year for crying out loud! What a crybaby.
It's also clear that she is not going to help out people in need on her own account, yet she says that's how it should be.

Is this attitude the norm in the USA ?It is not. Even conservatives in our country are not usually as selfish as this woman.

It is not. Even conservatives in our country are not usually as selfish as this woman.

Well, I asked because the commenters were predominantly in agreement with her when I watched it.

Yes this young woman was something else, she didn't have a problem with the country going to war. She didn't have a problem with doubling the national debt under the former administration. Nor did she have a problem with the taking away of civil rights under the former administration. And she didn't have a problem with government corruption under the former administration, but God try to reform the healthcare system and lower healthcare costs, improve quality of healthcare and by God the country is falling apart at the seams! :) Funny!

I also like the way she dodged the question about Social Security.

I also like the way she dodged the question about Social Security.

And her income.

This is the busty young woman who stood up and made that passionate scripted speech about the Constitution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzCoPh8DZ7M&feature=player_embedded#t=471

Yeah, it sounded really scripted to me.

Bravo, Katy, you handled yourself very well considering that the host tried to lie about Obama and his policies.

Bravo, Katy, you handled yourself very well considering that the host tried to lie about Obama and his policies.

Got any proof? No of course you don't. Because it does not exist. Because he did not lie about Obama nor his policies.

Yeah, it sounded really scripted to me.

Bravo, Katy, you handled yourself very well considering that the host tried to lie about Obama and his policies.

When she gave that scripted speech at Arlen Spectors Town Hall she was reading from a piece of paper. She premeditated that entire manufactured outburst.

And her income.

Coming from a small town in PA I highly doubt they're generating 250K+ a year.

this whole debate on healthcare is a joke. obama is not going to provide universal health care in the u.s. the u.s government already spends more than the entire EU on healthcare.

the only way to have a system like in canada or some euro countries is to have massive tax increases. that means all the tight ass bull shit throwers smearers here wouild be paying over 60% in taxes. you want to see these hypocrite cheap bastards cry then?

pistole?

this whole debate on healthcare is a joke. obama is not going to provide universal health care in the u.s. the u.s government already spends more than the entire EU on healthcare.

the only way to have a system like in canada or some euro countries is to have massive tax increases. that means all the tight ass bull shit throwers smearers here wouild be paying over 60% in taxes. you want to see these hypocrite cheap bastards cry then?

pistole?

You seem to be ill informed. Obama is not proposing a system like Canada or found in the EU. He is proposing universal healthcare but not a single payer system.

You think you cannot have universal healthcare in the US without increasing taxes? You are wrong. Obama's healthcare proposal according to bhe CBC is going to cost 100 billion a year...assuming no reduction in healthcare prices or growth rates. And about 70 billion of that number is achieved by redirecting current subsidies given to insurers and drug companies due to special legislation by our Republican brothers and sisters over the course of the last decade. So that leaves 30 billion per year that needs to be funded.
This bill also includes provisions which make the insurance and healthcare markets more competitive which will reduce expenses.

Why do you think drugs can be purchased in Canada for 30 percent of what you can buy them here in the US? Assuming you can improve productivity and decrease costs by 50 percent, which should be very easy given the current state of the system as we are paying double what anyone else pays and not even covering all our citizens, you come up with a profit...a savings not a cost.

The numbers being used in Washington are very conservative, and that is a good thing. It will help ensure that we do get a handle on healthcare costs. Because the current state of healthcare expenses is just not sustainable.

some countries in europe pay close to 70% of their income in taxes.

what about malpractice lawsuits (many complete bull shit) in u.s that are capped in Europe? how about midicaire fraud in the billions of dollars? those two things alone would provide plenty of medical coverage.

you are either misinformed or just another shill.

Why do you think drugs can be purchased in Canada for 30 percent of what you can buy them here in the US?

i dont think drugs are covered in canada by uiniversal care. so you, supposedly you have good benefits..if we can believe you, pay only what $5-10 for a suscription. Many drugs are given out for free to poor nations.

you forget the reasearch and high cost of development of drugs. i know joe lets go back to no more drugs and everyone will die around 50. K?

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Got any proof? No of course you don't. Because it does not exist. Because he did not lie about Obama nor his policies.

For you to say that only shows that you didn't even listen to your own link. My proof came from the video itself.

He said, "Obama doesn't want a single payer system." She said, "yes he does and he has said so." He said, "Obama has never said that." She said, "yes he did in 2002 or2003." He started chirping like a bird in the woods.

In short, she refuted the host's attempt to lie about Obama's policies. It is in the video that you didn't listen to.

It must be hard being you. You know a hack for partisan politics, incapble of thinking for yourself. I don't know who told you to post the video, but it has backfired on you and whatever the purpose is for it.

that isnt necessary Gustav. i support obama and am more liberal than conservative but i dont think this is going to be delivered. and the democrats have the power. i think this may be smoke and mirrors.

i am gonna yank grammy outta her nursing home, return the govt checks and send her over to katy's house

/relieved

this whole debate on healthcare is a joke. obama is not going to provide universal health care in the u.s. the u.s government already spends more than the entire EU on healthcare.

the only way to have a system like in canada or some euro countries is to have massive tax increases. that means all the tight ass bull shit throwers smearers here wouild be paying over 60% in taxes. you want to see these hypocrite cheap bastards cry then?

pistole?

Bzzzt Wrong.

The only way to have a system like Canada, is to get rid of Insurance companies-corporations completely from the health system.

Frankly the U.S simply cannot do this without a MASSIVE REVOLUTION. So it's simple, BUST INSURANCE COMPANIES THAT FUCK PEOPLE. That might be hard to do, but it's the solution for the U.S.

that is a pipe dream ^. Get rid of the corporations and you will not have prescription drugs. I dont know about in Canda but in European countries there are insurance companies. They pay for the health care in higher taxes on everyhting. It basically is the same thing.

You are canadian do you pay for presrcriopion medication?

the down side is when a country has a recession or worse and the money is not coming in...then what? health care goes way down. And there is precedence for this happening.

You are canadian do you pay for presrcriopion medication?

Yes and get fucked on it as bad as Americans do.

Also, while we do pay slightly higher taxes due to health care (and frankly no one in Canada pays taxes like Californians), we probably pay similar taxes to Americans in general, depending on the State/Province. Our companies do not have to pay massive health insurance premiums, nor does anyone in Canada. I couldn't compare the cost, but have heard americans pay more per capita for health care in general. The quality can vary widely on BOTH sides of the 49, and I do agree the Canadian system just is NOT FOR AMERICANS. The Elite in America, would NEVER stand for it. Having the same care as a bum on the street. Very very un-american.

Yes and get fucked on it as bad as Americans do.

No, not even close. Canada has a system of price controls for prescription drugs that keep prices much lower than what Americans pay. Did you not notice the 10 million Americans who cross the border to buy cheap prescription drugs every year?

Can't say I noticed no. I don't really care. Drugs are very expensive still in Canada, that they rape the Americans more, doesn't surprise me. Corporations fuck Americans all the time and they seem to just love that brand of anal rape.

Fundamentally that is the issue, you get fucked by the government (in taxes) for health care or you get fucked by private or corporate companies.

One makes a profit from fucking you and the other doesn't.

Yes and get fucked on it as bad as Americans do.

Also, while we do pay slightly higher taxes due to health care (and frankly no one in Canada pays taxes like Californians), we probably pay similar taxes to Americans in general, depending on the State/Province. Our companies do not have to pay massive health insurance premiums, nor does anyone in Canada. I couldn't compare the cost, but have heard americans pay more per capita for health care in general. The quality can vary widely on BOTH sides of the 49, and I do agree the Canadian system just is NOT FOR AMERICANS. The Elite in America, would NEVER stand for it. Having the same care as a bum on the street. Very very un-american.

obviously it depends on where you live. you are talking about property taxes though and you are focusing on very expensive real estate. i was referring to income taxes, i think the wages, in general are higher in u.s...for the most part. but it does even out somehow.


The Elite in America, would NEVER stand for it. Having the same care as a bum on the street. Very very un-american.

i think many elite canadians come to u.s for many procedures. do some research.

Fundamentally that is the issue, you get fucked by the government (in taxes) for health care or you get fucked by private or corporate companies.

One makes a profit from fucking you and the other doesn't.

And because of that, the one "fucks you" less than the other.

And so the point remains that Canadians don't get fucked as hard as Americans, on this issue.

Well, I asked because the commenters were predominantly in agreement with her when I watched it.The commentators are paid good money to pander to retarded chavs who sit in front of their television sets, drooling all day. American conservatives who actually bother to vote tend to be WAY left of the commentators. They don't see commentary as real news, and I doubt most of them bother to watch it. At that point they would do pretty much the same thing that moderate liberals do, which is tune into C-SPAN or something. Don't let overpolished fools with game show host smiles and big mouths govern your perceptions of my country.

lying fascist freak
go listen to the goddamn tape
he said the prez of the us
technically fucking correct
obama was not the prez at that time

1. I am not a fascist
2. Technically, he said it,which refutes what the host said. The host said Obama NEVER said that.
3. So now that he is president and the bill certainly pushes us in that direction, it means that it is not true? Because when he said it, he was not the president?
4. ............
5. ...........

And because of that, the one "fucks you" less than the other.

And so the point remains that Canadians don't get fucked as hard as Americans, on this issue.

Agreed.

1. I am not a fascist
2. Technically, he said it,which refutes what the host said. The host said Obama NEVER said that.
3. So now that he is president and the bill certainly pushes us in that direction, it means that it is not true? Because when he said it, he was not the president?
4. ............
5. ...........

Lawrence O'Donnell was correct when stated President Obama never said that. Are you a birther by the way? If so was 911 an inside job too?

Yes and get fucked on it as bad as Americans do.

Also, while we do pay slightly higher taxes due to health care (and frankly no one in Canada pays taxes like Californians), we probably pay similar taxes to Americans in general, depending on the State/Province. Our companies do not have to pay massive health insurance premiums, nor does anyone in Canada. I couldn't compare the cost, but have heard americans pay more per capita for health care in general. The quality can vary widely on BOTH sides of the 49, and I do agree the Canadian system just is NOT FOR AMERICANS. The Elite in America, would NEVER stand for it. Having the same care as a bum on the street. Very very un-american.

Actually to make an adequate tax comparison between the US and Canada you need to add in the health insurance premiums Americans pay because health insurance premiums are included in your taxes. And when you do that comparison Canadians are way ahead in the game.

you forget the reasearch and high cost of development of drugs. i know joe lets go back to no more drugs and everyone will die around 50. K?

Yeah, the federal government, your tax dollars fund the most expensive drug research. The the government licenses the drup to a drug company to do patient trials...the cheapest R&D. The the drug company sells the drug back to you at a premium...real good deal for the drug company.

More money is spent on drug advertising and marketing that on R&D. A little education is a good thing!

some countries in europe pay close to 70% of their income in taxes. Americans pay as much in taxes for health care as the more socialist Europeans do.

Then we pay for health insurance, on top of that.

And then most of us don't get top level European standard medical services, on top of that.

Quite the system.

i think many elite canadians come to u.s for many procedures. do some research. Which the Canadian government pays for - so the money breaks even. Unlike the even more numerous (tens of thousands per year) Americans who go to Canada for medical services, who are a dead loss to the Canadian system.

My guess is that more US citizens go to Mexico every year for treatment and drugs, as well, than Canadians come to the US. Anyone know how many Americans go to Thailand and other SE Asian countries for medical procedures? That was a growing trend, a couple of years ago, among the upper classes in America.

btw: why all the air time for the nutcases of the one genre? I've noticed that during ball games and the like the TV cameras avoid attention-seeking fans who interrupt the game with antics, etc.

For you to say that only shows that you didn't even listen to your own link. My proof came from the video itself.

He said, "Obama doesn't want a single payer system." She said, "yes he does and he has said so." He said, "Obama has never said that." She said, "yes he did in 2002 or2003." He started chirping like a bird in the woods.

In short, she refuted the host's attempt to lie about Obama's policies. It is in the video that you didn't listen to.

It must be hard being you. You know a hack for partisan politics, incapble of thinking for yourself. I don't know who told you to post the video, but it has backfired on you and whatever the purpose is for it.

Don't make me laugh, I know this is tough Galt. But if you listened to that segement the interviewer said President Obama did not advocate a single payer system. Obama was not president when he said he was for a single payer system. Obama has not now as president, nor has he for many years, advocated a single payer system. During his presidential campaign he did not advocate a single payer system. So the part you want to focus on is not relevent. You are grasping at straws. Obama is not now advocating a single payer system nor has he for many years.

You want to add things to the discussion that simply do not exist. You want issues that do not exist...that is what some people do when their arguement are too weak to stand on their own.

Okay, this is getting frustrating

Lawrence O'Donnell was correct when stated President Obama never said that. Are you a birther by the way? If so was 911 an inside job too?

Actually, by any understanding of english it does not matter when Obama said it, he said it. There was not magical transformation that cmae about when he took office. He is still the same person, he just has a new job and title.

Of course Obama prefers a single payer system. So does essentially everyone else that has investigated the matter, unless they have a money stake in the status quo - he's not stupid. When Wellstone was trying to market his plan, he was getting approval ratings for it of 80 - 90% in the various corporate and citizen evaluation panels.

Obama has stated that he recognizes the superiority of a single payer system, but regards it as impossible in the US now.

So his plan attempts to obtain some of the benefits of a single payer setup, in a different way - without the single payer, and protecting the interests of the major supplier corporations (health care consumer corporations, like GM, can always offshore operations, or make other arrangements). It will be much more expensive and will not deliver the level of care of a single payer setup, but Obama apparently thinks that's the best we can do, given who's involved in this situation.

With a little luck, and the Republicans keep self-destructing, we could even end up with a Swiss-style system - the second most expensive first world system last I checked, but much cheaper than the US disaster.

Don't make me laugh, I know this is tough Galt. But if you listened to that segement the interviewer said President Obama did not advocate a single payer system. Obama was not president when he said he was for a single payer system. Obama has not now as president, nor has he for many years, advocated a single payer system. During his presidential campaign he did not advocate a single payer system. So the part you want to focus on is not relevent. You are grasping at straws. Obama is not now advocating a single payer system nor has he for many years.

You want to add things to the discussion that simply do not exist. You want issues that do not exist...that is what some people do when their arguement are too weak to stand on their own.


You and your lapdogs refuse to see the most important point. I will put in all differents forms so as to emphasize the point.

The host said Obama NEVER said it.

Thus, no, I am not grasping at straws. He is who he is, and he hasn't changed his stripes for anything. He wants a single payer system.

Consider something, what do we have now? We have system where those without a job still get medical attention and it is paid for by the government. it is this idea that democrats are trying to pass off as health care reform, but we already have this. Why do we need reform?

Because Obama's sole purpose for his presidency is to destroy the fundamental principles of America, That simple.

Five days before being elected Obama stated himself, in other words he said it I am not making this up (I never do). Obama said, "we are five days away from fundamentally changing America." Note he is not talking about being the first half black president, if he were that was all he needed to say. Instead, he said, "fundamentally changing America."

The whole thing is about government power and he is being called on it. Consider why are democrats taking out a clause in the reform that according to them didn't exist in the first place?

Slightly changing course here, where is the administration outrage over an African American being beaten by supposive crowd control thugs. They apparently didn't act stupidly, did they? Gee, I wonder why?

To cockroach, it is frustrating dealing with people who are so ignorant that they simply deny, accuse, or obfuscate issues so that they can continue to parrot the psrty cries.

It is very old, and joe is the chief lapdog of the democratic party.

Actually, by any understanding of english it does not matter when Obama said it, he said it. There was not magical transformation that cmae about when he took office. He is still the same person, he just has a new job and title.

Bingo and thanks for showing that there are still people who can see and think for themselves.

You and your lapdogs refuse to see the most important point. I will put in all differents forms so as to emphasize the point.

The host said Obama NEVER said it.

Thus, no, I am not grasping at straws. He is who he is, and he hasn't changed his stripes for anything. He wants a single payer system.

Consider something, what do we have now? We have system where those without a job still get medical attention and it is paid for by the government. it is this idea that democrats are trying to pass off as health care reform, but we already have this. Why do we need reform?

Because Obama's sole purpose for his presidency is to destroy the fundamental principles of America, That simple.

Five days before being elected Obama stated himself, in other words he said it I am not making this up (I never do). Obama said, "we are five days away from fundamentally changing America." Note he is not talking about being the first half black president, if he were that was all he needed to say. Instead, he said, "fundamentally changing America."

The whole thing is about government power and he is being called on it. Consider why are democrats taking out a clause in the reform that according to them didn't exist in the first place?

Slightly changing course here, where is the administration outrage over an African American being beaten by supposive crowd control thugs. They apparently didn't act stupidly, did they? Gee, I wonder why?

To cockroach, it is frustrating dealing with people who are so ignorant that they simply deny, accuse, or obfuscate issues so that they can continue to parrot the psrty cries.

It is very old, and joe is the chief lapdog of the democratic party.

English.

Consider something, what do we have now? We have system where those without a job still get medical attention and it is paid for by the government Even with jobs, only some Americans get First World level medical care.

No one I work with gets Canadian level care, for example - and they supposedly have "health insurance".

That is the system we have now - and one of the serious issues I haven't seen addressed is how any system that supplies First World level medical care to the lower classes in the US is going to deal with the built-up demand of the past generation. There is a whole lot of chronic injury and disease out there, from the era in which real wages fell and real medical costs quadrupled.

Five days before being elected Obama stated himself, in other words he said it I am not making this up (I never do). Obama said, "we are five days away from fundamentally changing America." Note he is not talking about being the first half black president, if he were that was all he needed to say. Instead, he said, "fundamentally changing America." Apparently, you have already forgotten why that sounded like a good idea to most voters.

Even with jobs, only some Americans get First World level medical care.

No one I work with gets Canadian level care, for example - and they supposedly have "health insurance".

That is the system we have now - and one of the serious issues I haven't seen addressed is how any system that supplies First World level medical care to the lower classes in the US is going to deal with the built-up demand of the past generation. There is a whole lot of chronic injury and disease out there, from the era in which real wages fell and real medical costs quadrupled.

Slight of hand, anyone?

Stay on topic.

Prove your assertion of first world level medical care. Do you mean like Americans don't use a nuclear bomb to kill a fly? And this upsets you because it is that time of month?

Stay on topic. It was direct reply to your bogus assertion about the current system - that it provides medical care to everyone in the US.


Prove your assertion of first world level medical care In First World medical care systems, no one is walking around with the consequences of untreated injuries from youthful accidents because they couldn't afford to buy the treatment at the time, disabling diseases and conditions for which they could not and now cannot afford the medicine, etc. Of the dozen or more men I've worked with over the past few years in my most steady job, every one was nursing some kind of medical condition that would have been treated and cured in Canada (or France, Switzerland, Germany, Belgium, Cuba, Norway, etc) at the time of its incurrence. And they had insurance, when I was working with them.

Myself included, btw.

The US system is a disaster. It is arguably the worst medical care delivery system on the planet - certainly in efficiency terms.

You and your lapdogs refuse to see the most important point. I will put in all differents forms so as to emphasize the point.

The host said Obama NEVER said it..

This makes NO Sense whatsoever!


Thus, no, I am not grasping at straws. He is who he is, and he hasn't changed his stripes for anything. He wants a single payer system.

Consider something, what do we have now? We have system where those without a job still get medical attention and it is paid for by the government. it is this idea that democrats are trying to pass off as health care reform, but we already have this. Why do we need reform?.

None of that rant changes the fact that you are grasping for straws. Show me where in the period in question 2008 or after did Obama say he wanted a single payer system? Show me one example? You cannot because it does not exist. Show me how he has answered those accusations as well because he has answered them on numerous occasions.



Because Obama's sole purpose for his presidency is to destroy the fundamental principles of America, That simple..

Oh, and how do you know this? Are the little green aliens telling you this stuff? What are the fundamental principals of America by the way? Try to be specific...ok not just general pie is the sky stuff typical of the dittohead wing of the Republican Party.



Five days before being elected Obama stated himself, in other words he said it I am not making this up (I never do). Obama said, "we are five days away from fundamentally changing America." Note he is not talking about being the first half black president, if he were that was all he needed to say. Instead, he said, "fundamentally changing America"..

Not that is just downright WRONG. You make up lots of stuff even in this brief post (e.g. you claim you know Obama is out to dismantle the country).

Fundamental change is a good thing. You think the last eight years were great? He was refering to changing governent from being a government of by and for the corporation to a government of by and for the citizen...big fundamental change and perfectly in line with what the founders had in mind.


The whole thing is about government power and he is being called on it. Consider why are democrats taking out a clause in the reform that according to them didn't exist in the first place?.
I have not clue as to what you are trying to say!:confused:



Slightly changing course here, where is the administration outrage over an African American being beaten by supposive crowd control thugs. They apparently didn't act stupidly, did they? Gee, I wonder why?.

What has this got to do with the price of tea in China? Nothing. If Obama were so race based as you seemed to think he is, he would have been all over that incident. But he is not and was not. Besides the incident has all the markings of another Joe the Plumber, who is not a plumber kind of story. The ironic thing is this guy who was anti health insurance reform has no health insurance and is now begging for money to pay his bills.


To cockroach, it is frustrating dealing with people who are so ignorant that they simply deny, accuse, or obfuscate issues so that they can continue to parrot the psrty cries..

AMEN TO THAT!!!!!!!!

I suggest that you try to open your very closed mind and look at fact and reason. Your positions and arguement remind me of the UFO debate, to belive either side you have to ignore facts or insert "facts" that are not in evidence in order to support your conclusions.

For anyone wanting the facts, I suggest they go right to the horses mouth:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/

Or go to reputable web sites like AARP

http://www.aarp.org/research/

* AARP has yet to endorse a specfic bill.

But be careful about sites there are some who are not what the claim to be like 60+ which is an insurance industry front masquerading as a public interest group. There are a lot of them out there spending lots of money to stop healthcare reform. I think it says a lot when they cannot reveal who they really are in order to get people to support them. These guys are pros and very good at what they do. But they are not purveyors of truth and understanding.

p/s Just because I disagree with dittoheads does not make me a Democrat, because I am not. I am A DITTOHEADS worst nightmare, an INDEPENDENT AMERICAN...DOING WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE COUNTRY.