United Nations Security Council Resolution 478, adopted on August 20, 1980, declared Israel's 1980 Jerusalem Law null and void and required that it be rescinded forthwith while affirming that it was a violation of international law. This resolution called upon member states to withdraw their diplomatic missions from the city. The law declared Jerusalem to be Israel's "eternal and indivisible" capital.

The resolution was passed with 14 votes to none against, with the United States abstaining.




this is why the settlements in Jeruselem are illegal

Israelis took the city in 67' and now trying to claim it as their capital but the GLOBE has shared it is NOT their capital.



Most nations with embassies in Jerusalem relocated their embassies to Tel Aviv following the adoption of Resolution 478. Following the withdrawals of Costa Rica and El Salvador in August 2006, no country maintains its embassy in Jerusalem, although Paraguay and Bolivia have theirs in nearby Jerusalem suburb Mevasseret Zion. The subsequent advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice expressed the view that all States are under an obligation not to recognize the illegal situation in and around East Jerusalem.



is this a political argument that people should be observing?


as far as i am concerned these are the types of articles people should be aware of.......

How many here are aware of res 478?

Do you know how many resolutions they have had against Israel? 221!

So another resolution doesn't really mean very much.

Do you know how many resolutions they have had against Israel? 221!

So another resolution doesn't really mean very much.

Also that resolution is from the 1980`s....

Do you know how many resolutions they have had against Israel? 221!

"against israel" is not the scope to observe; some call that anti semitic




So another resolution doesn't really mean very much.

the thread was to share how far away our leaders and media are off from addressing what is right and observed by LAW from the international community

I see a political debate in the context that for 'we the people' to understand that our leadership in washington voted against the international community.

How is that? How is it, that our country obstained from such a vote?

How is it, that few in america know that much of the divide has been addressed and we (america's name/vote) are on the wrong side of the argument because of our leaders and not by 'we the people'?


Meaning; how would you vote on such an issue?

Also that resolution is from the 1980`s....

SO basically, for 3o years the international community already made the commitment (law) and how many here in america know what the capital of israel is?

Resolutions against Israels actions against palestinians does not make anyone an anti-semite, what it means is that UN resolutions are simply ineffective.

We the people do not vote on anything in the UN. Its the security council that makes these decisions and there are only five permanent members so what India thinks or Korea or any other nation is simply irrelevant.

SO basically, for 3o years the international community already made the commitment (law) and how many here in america know what the capital of israel is?

From a South African perspective its being Tel Aviv:shrug:

Ive never known Jerusalem as the capital.

Resolutions against Israels actions against palestinians does not make anyone an anti-semite, what it means is that UN resolutions are simply ineffective.

or that we the people are not aware, that a body of people that our congress sends 30billion/10yr... is going against, the majority of the globe in aggression, when 'we the people' have always thought it was because they were victims.

the international community has already said, that jeruselem is not the capital for the last 3 decades; how many americans know this?


We the people do not vote on anything in the UN. Its the security council that makes these decisions and there are only five permanent members so what India thinks or Korea or any other nation is simply irrelevant.

And that UN is what polices the global nations.

So if that UN says 'stop' then by law, the PEOPLE of the globe are supposed to enforce or impose sanctions.

Do you adhere to the UN or to which foundation of law?

Basically, if the UN is not capable, then 'we the people' can simply tell our congressman how to represent US as constituents.

AS far as i am concerned, jeruselem is an international site for all three religious beliefs of Abraham; not a city that ONE nation can control.

The city should be a land mark for all mankind as a historical site, free from persecution by any (as that ideology is why israel was created).

The US as a country is secular by law (religion and state; separate). By law, our population is not to support a religious government.

Some say, 'well, wake up" and i am just sharing 'what is right' versus what is accepted.

Is that political enough?

Did you know, that Jeruselem is not the capital of Israel?

From a South African perspective its being Tel Aviv:shrug:

Ive never known Jerusalem as the capital.

most penquins are black and white

nice to see a little color with a fair opinion :D


hows the diamond business?

ever wonder how a stupid rock with pretty much no use is held as being so valuable; then marketed to represent Love?

kind of like this subject and thread; basic common sense but for some reason 'we the people' have been bamboozled!

I'm aware but there is very little you can do about it when the lobby is so powerful and when there are many americans who think that Israel is in the right. I am not for the dismantling of the Israeli state, just for a resolution to all of the troubles if that is what both parties want to do, if not then they can continue as they have been. The Palestinians haven't made the best decisions concerning how to deal with the state so they are also to blame. You should ask yourself how many americans really care not many people know. I say stop paying Israel all these millions as they don't need it but I would also not pay Egypt any money either and the US does that too. Actually if it were up to me no one would receive pay checks on a regular basis from the US or the EU. Fuck em

The UN does not police the globe as we have seen the US does that. The UN does not have the power to police the globe. They can't even enter a nation unless they are invited whether its for peace keeping or anything else for that matter.

Bishadi: So if that UN says 'stop' then by law, the PEOPLE of the globe are supposed to enforce or impose sanctions.

The people are not in a position to enforce anything since the UN represents nations and not the people of nations.


Bishadi: Do you adhere to the UN or to which foundation of law?

UN doesn't have laws. The globe is not governed under one government under the UN so as citizens the only laws we need abide are national. The UN pisses about having meetings and talks and coming up with more paper resolutions that don't mean shit in reality.

Bishadi: Basically, if the UN is not capable, then 'we the people' can simply tell our congressman how to represent US as constituents.

Well yes I agree with you here.

Bishadi: The US as a country is secular by law (religion and state; separate). By law, our population is not to support a religious government.

Why not? We support Saudi Arabia. But anyway just because we have a secular system doesn't mean that as a nation we cannot support other nations that may be religious but I wouldn't consider Israel a religious state but a secular one.


Bishadi: Some say, 'well, wake up" and i am just sharing 'what is right' versus what is accepted.Is that political enough?

So go ahead rant away, maybe it will make a difference on the ground but I doubt it :shrug: Look at it like this. Most nations still continue to do business with Israel, the west gets intel support from Israel, the West also has closer ties to Israel than other nations in the area...So...from a political point of view you can say 'We dislike this and that action' but these governments will do business with Israel and turn a blind eye and since they have the forth largest army in the world no one is willing to go to war over the palestinians and if there was a question of that I would not be in favor of it but then again I was not in favor of Afghanistan or Iraq. I think its time for the West to take care of itself and forget about changing other people's circumstances. I say leave it to them to figure out.

Bishadi: Did you know, that Jeruselem is not the capital of Israel?

I really don't care what the capital is but always known it to be Tel Aviv.

To tell you the truth I don't lose any sleep over either Israel or the Palestinians.

I would like to interject. The US does not police the world. They police their own interests. I wished they policed the world.. then Robert Mugabe would have being gone a long time ago.

The US has no clout in this part of the world but we have good relations with them, as we do the Russians, the Chinese, Israel and Palestine.

South Africa will continue supporting both peoples of both lands as I think its accepted opinion that both have the right to exist now. Israel is not ganna be popular with their land grabs though. I would love Israel to withdraw to its original UN mandated borders.

most penquins are black and white

nice to see a little color with a fair opinion :D


hows the diamond business?

ever wonder how a stupid rock with pretty much no use is held as being so valuable; then marketed to represent Love?

kind of like this subject and thread; basic common sense but for some reason 'we the people' have been bamboozled!

I dont know how the diamond business is. I know with the scaling back of business in country we have dropped our gold production from 1st in 2006 to 4th now.

I'm aware but there is very little you can do about it when the lobby is so powerful and when there are many americans who think that Israel is in the right. the LOBBY is not representing americans but of special interests. (an underlying objective)




I am not for the dismantling of the Israeli state who said anything about dismantle?
just for a resolution to all of the troubles but the Palestinians haven't made the best decisions concerning how to deal with the state so they are also to blame. 'all the troubles'.....?

Netayantahu was talking with biden about iran and the settlements in E Jerus...... the US and our pres, said "stop"
You should ask yourself how many americans really care. I care. as what it means, is the globe can now see why the palestinians are a weeeeeee bit upset and actually tell our congreeman, that either the aggression stops or stop funding israel, to start with.


The UN does not police the globe as we have seen the US does that. They don't have the power to police the globe. perhaps you should read up on the UN

The United Nations Organization (UNO) or simply United Nations (UN) is an international organization whose stated aims are facilitating cooperation in international law, international security, economic development, social progress, human rights, and the achieving of world peace. The UN was founded in 1945 after World War II to replace the League of Nations, to stop wars between countries, and to provide a platform for dialogue. It contains multiple subsidiary organizations to carry out its missions

perhaps you forgot that the UN was created in the sense that they are what told britain to relinguish palestine and even allow the migration of refugees into palestine to make israel.

Israel as a country would not exist without the UN as britain was who controlled the colony of palestine.


Bishadi: So if that UN says 'stop' then by law, the PEOPLE of the globe are supposed to enforce or impose sanctions.

The people are not in a position to enforce anything since the UN represents nations and not the people of nations.

funny



Bishadi: Do you adhere to the UN or to which foundation of law?

UN doesn't have laws. The globe does not live and is not governed under one government under the UN. sad to find it accepted by any


Bishadi: Basically, if the UN is not capable, then 'we the people' can simply tell our congressman how to represent US as constituents.

Well yes I agree with you here.

Bishadi: The US as a country is secular by law (religion and state; separate). By law, our population is not to support a religious government.

Why not? We support Saudi Arabia. then find it illegal under the constitution


But anyway just because we have a secular system doesn't mean that as a nation we cannot support other nations that may be religious but I wouldn't consider Israel a religious state but a secular one. i guess you not up to speed; Netayantahu is a Russian by birth who became priminister of israel with a slogan of 'no loyalty, no citizenship' (and just recently claimed the intention of deporting them who will not support 'the' religious state)

Did you know over 20% of the population is muslim (indigenous palestinians)?




Bishadi: Some say, 'well, wake up" and i am just sharing 'what is right' versus what is accepted.Is that political enough?

So go ahead rant away, maybe it will make a difference on the ground but I doubt it :shrug: Look at it like this. Most nations still continue to do business with Israel, the west gets intel support from Israel, the West also has closer ties to Israel than other nations in the area...So...from a political point of view you can say 'We dislike this and that action' but these governments will do business with Israel and turn a blind eye and since they have the forth largest army in the world no one is willing to go to war over the palestinians.

not interested in war

nor interested in any intelligence that is biased; look at what happened in iraq (it was all bogus; no WMD)

now that ignorance (you may call intelligence) is about to put iran as the new boogieman against west (another whole line of BS (per se intelligence))


Bishadi: Did you know, that Jeruselem is not the capital of Israel?

I really don't care what the capital is but always known it to be Tel Aviv.

funny....... as you have been debating, all political and such but just shared what answer i was asking for in the OP.....

SO basically, you were arguing on nothing except to point out, that you really dont care what 'we the people' are or represent but that the governing people will do what they want


To tell you the truth I don't lose any sleep over either Israel or the Palestinians.

i can see that

why care, it dont affect you, right?


So then i ask, why you on a political thread?

I would like to interject. The US does not police the world. They police their own interests. I wished they policed the world.. then Robert Mugabe would have being gone a long time ago.

The US has no clout in this part of the world but we have good relations with them, as we do the Russians, the Chinese, Israel and Palestine.

South Africa will continue supporting both peoples of both lands as I think its accepted opinion that both have the right to exist now. Israel is not ganna be popular with their land grabs though. I would love Israel to withdraw to its original UN mandated borders.

By policing the world I mean its the US who regularly enjoys crossing borders with military intervention for one reason or another, imposing sanctions and the like. Yes they are policing for their own interests but all superpowers do the same, the US just does it more frequently than anyone else and extends themselves further than necessary, especially these days, but the US is hardly very good at these kinds of interventions they cause more harm than good much of the time. I'm in South East Asia and anyone from this part of the world can tell you of the calamity caused by US intervention.

What part of the world are you in?

By policing the world I mean its the US who regularly enjoys crossing borders with military intervention for one reason or another, imposing sanctions and the like. Yes they are policing for their own interests but all superpowers do the same, the US just does it more frequently than anyone else and extends themselves further than necessary, especially these days, but the US is hardly very good at these kinds of interventions they cause more harm than good much of the time. I'm in South East Asia and anyone from this part of the world can tell you of the calamity caused by US intervention.

What part of the world are you in?


part of the 'wake up' croud


'we the people' have been bamboozled!


to read, what the PM of Israel said the utter day, had me thinking and i was supprised to see how bad it is on this front

it reminded me of when my father smacked me once good a couple decades back, when i said just blow them terrorists up, we got the nukes.....and pops kicked me around for a bit and told me to observe both sides before ever taking such a stands.


netayantahu claimed J was the capital, 2 days ago....... and i knew that J was taken in 67 land grab

then if you really wanna get weird go look up in Deut (torah), and Moses told them dont cross the jordan.....

so legally and religiously, that J issue is HUGE (its just wrong)


Ooooppss

i am american

the LOBBY is not representing americans but of special interests. (an underlying objective)

who said anything about dismantle? 'all the troubles'.....?

Netayantahu was talking with biden about iran and the settlements in E Jerus...... the US and our pres, said "stop" I care. as what it means, is the globe can now see why the palestinians are a weeeeeee bit upset and actually tell our congreeman, that either the aggression stops or stop funding israel, to start with.
perhaps you should read up on the UN

The United Nations Organization (UNO) or simply United Nations (UN) is an international organization whose stated aims are facilitating cooperation in international law, international security, economic development, social progress, human rights, and the achieving of world peace. The UN was founded in 1945 after World War II to replace the League of Nations, to stop wars between countries, and to provide a platform for dialogue. It contains multiple subsidiary organizations to carry out its missions

perhaps you forgot that the UN was created in the sense that they are what told britain to relinguish palestine and even allow the migration of refugees into palestine to make israel.

Israel as a country would not exist without the UN as britain was who controlled the colony of palestine.


funny

sad to find it accepted by any then find it illegal under the constitution

i guess you not up to speed; Netayantahu is a Russian by birth who became priminister of israel with a slogan of 'no loyalty, no citizenship' (and just recently claimed the intention of deporting them who will not support 'the' religious state)

Did you know over 20% of the population is muslim (indigenous palestinians)?



not interested in war

nor interested in any intelligence that is biased; look at what happened in iraq (it was all bogus; no WMD)

now that ignorance (you may call intelligence) is about to put iran as the new boogieman against west (another whole line of BS (per se intelligence))



funny....... as you have been debating, all political and such but just shared what answer i was asking for in the OP.....

SO basically, you were arguing on nothing except to point out, that you really dont care what 'we the people' are or represent but that the governing people will do what they want

i can see that

why care, it dont affect you, right?


So then i ask, why you on a political thread?

Of course the lobby represents special interests. All lobbies represent special interests.

Bishadi: 'all the troubles'.....?

Netayantahu was talking with biden about iran and the settlements in E Jerus...... the US and our pres, said "stop"


Yes i refer to it as 'the troubles' just as they did in Ireland back in the day. Yes Netanyahu refuses to stop building settlements even though the US has said so. Does this surprise you?

So good, you care so go and tell your congressman you care.

Perhaps you should go and read up on the UN. I know enough UN employees and know enough about the organization to tell you that what they have on paper is rubbish! Its all words without any power to enforce their sweet words. Look right here in Cambodia the government passed an anti-graft law which pretty much keeps the government corrupt and the UN spoke out against it. You know what the government said to the UN? Mind your mandate and stop butting your business in our internal affairs!!!

North Korea and Myanmar say the same.

No you are wrong. Israel would not exist if it were not for Britain. The UN is only as powerful as the security council members and if they cannot concur on something or if they block something it doesn't happen. If the UN were a democratic institution it would go to referendum and the majority would make the decisions but any referendum can be vetoed by the security council.

What Netanyahu is by birth is besides the point. He's still an Israeli citizen. the 20% of the population is still a minority and seemingly a minority without much power.

Israeli intel is some of the best in the world and it was the bush administration that concocted the weapons of mass destruction. Iran is a political move more than anything else, there is no legal reason why they cannot have nuclear power its just that the world would prefer if they did not. Evidently that also includes Russia.

Bishadi: SO basically, you were arguing on nothing except to point out, that you really dont care what 'we the people' are or represent but that the governing people will do what they want.

No. I am pointing out that 'we the people' is a part of the american constitution and not a global mandate. The UN represents NATIONS not people within those nations because they don't get to vote on anything. If you want a referendum type government then move to Switzerland.

Bishadi: why care, it dont affect you, right? So then i ask, why you on a political thread?

You're right it doesn't affect me. Neither does the Congo or Sudan. I live in Cambodia. Just because I don't lose sleep over something doesn't mean I cannot comment on it or have an opinion. Worrying about Israel or the palestinians will not mean much to the people on the ground. I think there are more pressing issues in the world, Haiti's re-construction being one of them, Europe would be another. I no longer care what the US does. I could get into issues about Cambodia but I am sure it wouldn't interest you nor would you lose any sleep over it.:rolleyes:

Post number 14 was not addressed to you. I was asking w1z4rd what part of the world he is in.

What is the issue here Bishadi---

are you trying to convince us that the settlements are illegal?

Of course the lobby represents special interests. All lobbies represent special interests.

Bishadi: 'all the troubles'.....?

Netayantahu was talking with biden about iran and the settlements in E Jerus...... the US and our pres, said "stop"


Yes i refer to it as 'the troubles' just as they did in Ireland back in the day. Yes Netanyahu refuses to stop building settlements even though the US has said so. Does this surprise you? yes......

It should not be OK, in any sense, when my tax dollars are being sent over seas.

If they don't like it, then they should not be spending my money.


So good, you care so go and tell your congressman you care.

thanks for the OK


Perhaps you should go and read up on the UN. I know enough UN employees and know enough about the organization to tell you that what they have on paper is rubbish! Its all words without any power to enforce their sweet words. Look right here in Cambodia the government passed an anti-graft law which pretty much keeps the government corrupt and the UN spoke out against it. You know what the government said to the UN? Mind your mandate and stop butting your business in our internal affairs!!!

North Korea and Myanmar say the same. OK..... and the point is?




No you are wrong. Israel would not exist if it were not for Britain. again another claim by you, that apparently you 'ALSO" have been bamboozled......

practically the first use of the term 'terrorism' in the 20th century were from the right wing nuts bombing british interests because britain WOULD NOT ALLOW the migrations. The LABOR party itself is rooted in zionist maintaining an underground body within palestine, (1909) to circumvent britain undermining of the messianic intent.

From the king david hotel bombing and pages of lists throughout the 30's on up until the UN, britain was one of the active countries that was AGAINST the migration and the unbalance of power by the influx after and during ww2.

how old are you?

apparently you missed a huge chunk of history



What Netanyahu is by birth is besides the point. He's still an Israeli citizen. the 20% of the population is still a minority and seemingly a minority without much power. remind you of apartheid?


Israeli intel is some of the best in the world and it was the bush administration that concocted the weapons of mass destruction. you just said israel is all intelligence but could not share how wrong the US was?


Iran is a political move more than anything else, there is no legal reason why they cannot have nuclear power its just that the world would prefer if they did not. it is israel that does not and they who stirring the pot, just like what happened after kwait was taken back


Evidently that also includes Russia.

funny as all heck

russians are who are building the reactors and russian scientists are who are educating and providing the know how.

russians have armed and even sold them submarrines to close out the whole region if iran is attacked

i believer, personally, iran is already armed and no one gonna stop it; ie..... in any of the subs, they have already had for a couple decades.

you funny as all heck to think, india, china or russia is going to approve any sanctions against iran, that is why netayatawhoever was in the US last week

Them folk dont want any equals in the neighborhood......

What is the issue here Bishadi---

are you trying to convince us that the settlements are illegal?

not me

YOU can read for your own self; if you cant comprehend what Res 478 means, then i can see why you may not agree.



i am learning everyday

and being complacent to ignorance aint my style

not me

YOU can read for your own self; if you cant comprehend what Res 478 means, then i can see why you may not agree.

We have been talking a lot in the moderator forum about the purpose that people have in starting threads. Some people clearly only want to start flame wars with other members of opposite opinions.

What is your purpose in starting this thread?

And you didn't post Resolution 478, you only posted an interpretation of it---surely, a truth seeker such as yourself has read the text of Resolution 478, and you know where to find it, so that you can post it for everyone else to read?

Or did you miss the discussion of primary sources and secondary sources in high school?

How does this makes settlements in Jerusalem illegal? Who owns Jerusalem?

This is sort of the point that I was getting at, but I wanted Bishadi to figure it out for himself :)

We have been talking a lot in the moderator forum about the purpose that people have in starting threads. Some people clearly only want to start flame wars with other members of opposite opinions.

Yu know my purpose; i am against ignorance. I could care less about being accepted, liked or approved of by any.

I share reality at face value and have repeatedly tried on this very thread to avoid the conflicts.

This thread was started to share that no one needs to be biased to see the issue was addressed 3 decades ago but that few know about it.

(an eye opener)


What is your purpose in starting this thread? my purpose?

like all of any post i share; to assist any in evolving beyond the complacent


And you didn't post Resolution 478, you only posted an interpretation of it---surely, a truth seeker such as yourself has read the text of Resolution 478, and you know where to find it, so that you can post it for everyone else to read? i only post bits, so as not to put the 'amount of data' on the board, (an old warning by you) such as posting the actual pubs by the scientists often shares that what people have accepted is completely divergent from the reality

this thread was but a summary so any can go do the "look see" for themselves

are you contesting the summary?

are you contecting my opinion, that the settlement issue was basically already addressed many years ago?



Or did you miss the discussion of primary sources and secondary sources in high school?Ben..... you have no right to insult me!

How does this makes settlements in Jerusalem illegal? Who owns Jerusalem?

because it is a disputed land that was already entered into the UN (global body of countries) that israel does not own jeruselem or have that 'right'


no one OWNS jeruselem, them are people, human beings from a diverse range of people and beliefs from all over the world


and the global community has already addressed the land as not being OWNED by israel

nothing political about it; the globe has already combined to address the issue

at this point it is just a matter of educating the populations, to understand


simply put, to avoid the conflict only takes compassion and integrity

i only post bits, so as not to put the 'amount of data' on the board, (an old warning by you) such as posting the actual pubs by the scientists often shares that what people have accepted is completely divergent from the reality

Ahh right I see. No need to be bothered with actual data.

Posting the entire text of the resolution isn't necessary, but one would hope that you'd see the importance in actually reading the original document.

because it is a disputed land that was already entered into the UN (global body of countries) that israel does not own jeruselem or have that 'right'


no one OWNS jeruselem, them are people, human beings from a diverse range of people and beliefs from all over the world


and the global community has already addressed the land as not being OWNED by israel

nothing political about it; the globe has already combined to address the issue

at this point it is just a matter of educating the populations, to understand


simply put, to avoid the conflict only takes compassion and integrity

So, can Palestinians build homes there?

3. Determines that all legislative and administrative measures and actions taken by Israel, the occupying Power, which have altered or purport to alter the character and status of the Holy City of Jerusalem, and in particular the recent "basic law" on Jerusalem, are null and void and must be rescinded forthwith;

4. Affirms also that this action constitutes a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East;

5. Decides not to recognize the "basic law" and such other actions by Israel that, as a result of this law, seek to alter the character and status of Jerusalem and calls upon:

(a) All Member States to accept this decision;

(b) Those States that have established diplomatic missions at Jerusalem to withdraw such missions from the Holy City;



i guess the data i was reading was practically a copy of the Res itself.

http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/dde590c6ff232007852560df0065fddb?OpenDocument

is this helpful to any who wish to read for themselves?



NO ONE OWNs the J site! (gateway of the gods: babilu)

Ahh I see. The point is this, which is actually in UN Resolution 476, NOT resolution 478:


5. Urgently calls on Israel, the occupying Power, to abide by this and previous Security Council resolutions and to desist forthwith from persisting in the policy and measures affecting the character and status of the Holy city of Jerusalem

Here, ``character'' should be read (in the context of the document, I think) as cultural makeup.

So, ok---the UNSC has passed resolutions against Israeli settlements. They've also passed resolutions against terrorism (http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2001/sc7158.doc.htm).

Is this your only point?

So, can Palestinians build homes there?

i dunno,

perhaps go look up the UN and be sure to read the doc so as not to offer evidence, that is not supportable

i was just wondering why a person who is the prime minister of a country, a globally recognized entity, was so ignorant to suggest jeruselem was the capital of israel (the very country he is PMing)


perhaps Ben should put the screws to him and make him verify the evidence, with links and be sure he can read what the global community, (maybe even copenhagen) has already addressed


jeruselem is not the capital of israel nor 'their' owned holy city.



i thought the thread was a pretty good one to at least set the tone towards reality versus anyone EVER CALLING ME ANTI SEMITIC......

ie..... i perhaps know the torah better than the best rabbi the earth ever knew......... (and yes, i have read a few versions)

i love the rules, i know better of the opinions accepted of the complacent (talmud)(right wingers)

Israel doesn't recognize the legitimacy of that resolution, so it is not precisely correct to say that Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel.

Ahh I see. The point is this, which is actually in UN Resolution 476, NOT resolution 478:

what point? are you making another?

are you rewording the 'character' of the res?




Here, ``character'' should be read (in the context of the document, I think) as cultural makeup.

So, ok---the UNSC has passed resolutions against Israeli settlements.

said nothing about the settlements.

Jeruselem is not the capital of israel and to see the heading on the 476 link (UN Resolution 476 (1980) Condemning Israel's Occupation of East Jerusalem) perhaps the whole armed forces of israel should leave jeruselem

but thats a whole nutter thread



They've also passed resolutions against terrorism (http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2001/sc7158.doc.htm). that's off topic


Is this your only point?

you got the point

israels PM is wrong to claim jeruselem as being the capital of israel

as well that makes the settlements illegal as of 3 decades ago

and then i was thinking, perhaps reparations for the damage and the olive orchards destroyed should be given to the existing 'character' residence could be a quality compassionate move of responsibility

what do you think on that?

is responsibility a good thing?

perhaps, you could use your rules of having scholastic integrity, to be the guidance of israel's prime minister....

i was just wondering why a person who is the prime minister of a country, a globally recognized entity, was so ignorant to suggest jeruselem was the capital of israel (the very country he is PMing)

Hmmm.

Government requires the consent of the governed.

Do you agree?

israels PM is wrong to claim jeruselem as being the capital of israel
He's not wrong, it's just that the UN objects to it.

Hmmm.

Government requires the consent of the governed.

Do you agree?

Sure and Israel is a member of the UN, plain and simple.

If there ever a time you dont have to pay taxes because you dont believe? (Government requires the consent of the governed.)

whereas, being a citizen, you will fall into place or be put into jail.

Israel doesn't recognize the legitimacy of that resolution, so it is not precisely correct to say that Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel.

sure it is

Israel is not the capital. (should be Jeruselem is not the capital of Israel) (i edited but left the error)

i just said it and have more foundation for that truth, than you could even comprehend; reality!

He's not wrong, it's just that the UN objects to it.



he is now considered like a Ahmadinejad; talking smack about changing the map!

sure it is

Israel is not the capital.

i just said it and have more foundation for that truth, than you could even comprehend; reality!

You are correct, Israel is not the capital of Israel, Jerusalem is. You may not like it, but it is the truth.

The fact of the matter is that illegal Jewish settlements are expanding in Jerusalem, and as we know possession is 9/10`s of the law. Israels current tactic.

Hot off the press, the EU perspective. It would seem Israel is utterly uninterested in the rule of law or peace initiatives. No surprise there. :m:

Israel's plan to build 1,600 new homes for Jews in East Jerusalem, which Israel captured in a 1967 war and later annexed, have dismayed the Palestinian leadership and strained ties with its main backer the United States.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday rejected any curbs on Jewish settlement in and around Jerusalem.

"The EU position on settlements is clear. Settlements are illegal," Ashton said in her speech. "Recent Israeli decisions to build new housing units in East Jerusalem have endangered and undermined the tentative agreement to begin proximity talks (http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE62E3V420100315)."

Sure and Israel is a member of the UN, plain and simple.

If there ever a time you dont have to pay taxes because you dont believe? (Government requires the consent of the governed.)

whereas, being a citizen, you will fall into place or be put into jail.

You make a good point, but I think the point is irrelevant. The UN shouldn't be compared to the US precisely because there is no way to enforce people to obey ``laws''.

Either way, Israel's refusal to acknowledge the legitimacy of UNSC resolutions is about as flagrant as Iran's refusal (on at least two different issues), North Korea's refusal, Syria's refusal (...).

So if your only point is that ``Israel's actions are illegitimate because there is a 30 year old Security Council resolution against such actions'', you will probably find no disagreement. Yes, the UNSC did pass resolutions against Israel's expansion into Jerusalem.

You are correct, Israel is not the capital of Israel, Jerusalem is. You may not like it, but it is the truth.


no it aint

you know it and just being combatative.

You make a good point, but I think the point is irrelevant. The UN shouldn't be compared to the US precisely because there is no way to enforce people to obey ``laws''. SO it seems of a quality resolution to just stop funding the country, that defies the law.

meaning; we in a bad recession, and the country we give 3 bil a year too, should not be getting it, if it don't stop doing what the globe has already agreed on, is wrong.




Either way, Israel's refusal to acknowledge the legitimacy of UNSC resolutions is about as flagrant as Iran's refusal (on at least two different issues), North Korea's refusal, Syria's refusal (...).bad comparisons. as 478/476 is 3 decades old, and like the SG, most dont know the reality of it.

i believe it would be easy to stop funding them or even perhaps seizing all israelis assets and businesses, like with Iran for not following the international community.

heck we could pay off the deficit, on the last idea, in a week!

that may be a good idea to share with the India, Russia and China.

ill let ya know

US law recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

US law recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

Show that.........

i knew better but here is your education for the day

A diplomatic mission is a group of people from one state or an international inter-governmental organization (such as the United Nations) present in another state to represent the sending state/organization in the receiving state. In practice, a diplomatic mission usually denotes the permanent mission, namely the office of a country's diplomatic representatives in the capital city of another country.


http://usembassy-israel.org.il/

i guess you didn't get the memo to tel aviv

The Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, however most presidents since then have suspended it's provision for actually moving the embassy there due to reasons of national security. (i.e. not jeopardizing the peace process)

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act_of_1995

The Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, however most presidents since then have suspended it's provision for actually moving the embassy there due to reasons of national security. (i.e. not jeopardizing the peace process)

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act_of_1995

you got me good there......

as i did not realize how bad it was.


you are correct though............. national security is why the US (we the people) dont open up an embassy, when the rest of the world already said NO. (because it is against the 'majority')

you forgot to add the part from wiki on the subject


Since passage, the law has never been implemented, because of opposition from Presidents Clinton, Bush, and Obama, who view it as a Congressional infringement on the Executive Branch’s constitutional authority over foreign policy; they have consistently claimed the presidential waiver on national security interests



but to read the doc........

(a) STATEMENT OF THE POLICY OF THE UNITED STATES.—
(1) Jerusalem should remain an undivided city in which
the rights of every ethnic and religious group are protected;

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=104_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ45.104.pdf

i could live with that........

so no one is better than another

and that would mean, no one EVER can take down the Dome of the Rock

no matter what!

thanx

as i finally learned something from all your posts

Here, learn one more thing, Bob Dole is not Al Gore.

Here, learn one more thing, Bob Dole is not Al Gore.

you got me twice in one thread

i made another ooops

i like being wrong sometimes

it told me, i have been here too long

i need some time for me

How does this makes settlements in Jerusalem illegal? Who owns Jerusalem?

not who owns it but who owns it legally

You are correct, Israel is not the capital of Israel, Jerusalem is. You may not like it, but it is the truth.

Israel can whine about it all they want but it still won't make Jerusalem the legit capital. Hell just for the sake of a cleaner argument will ignore how stupid it is to have your capital at the border with a people you want to be at war with.

US law recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

No it doesn't. that would be unconstitutional because it wouldn't be treating the montevideo convention as law(the Us constitution regards treaties as federal law). the Us recognizition of Israel and its borders is a violation of US law.

By policing the world I mean its the US who regularly enjoys crossing borders with military intervention for one reason or another, imposing sanctions and the like. Yes they are policing for their own interests but all superpowers do the same, the US just does it more frequently than anyone else and extends themselves further than necessary, especially these days, but the US is hardly very good at these kinds of interventions they cause more harm than good much of the time. I'm in South East Asia and anyone from this part of the world can tell you of the calamity caused by US intervention.

What part of the world are you in?

Im South African, generally when the US goes into a country its a failed state (by my own personal subjective reasoning) anyways. Its strange you should mention South East Asia. I was just there for several months in Manila (was there when those typhoons hit). My fiance is a Filipino doctor and I went over to spend time with her family and learn her culture.

I can without a doubt say that America is extremely popular there. Half of her family are in America and doctors. There are many obvious historical reasons for the extremely close ties between Washington DC and Manila.

Saying that, I also see how they added to the mess in other parts of SE Asia. Though you should not be pissed off at just America. You can blame Russia as well. Both sides are too chicken to have it out man to man so they come and do it in our back gardens.

Sure, Americans go bonkers a lot but to be honest what are the other options? Im rather prone to America being top of the block than China or Russia.

If you have and free country you really have nothing to fear from countries like America or the EU.