Warning Parents!!! You May Kill Your Child!! So take heed;

You should not make a child or a teen smoke a superfluous amount of cigarettes if you catch them smoking one. It seems to be something many parents have done in hope it would deter them for life.

Cigarettes contain a poison called Plutonium-210 or given chemically as an elementary symbol in chemistry Po^{210}, a HIGHLY radioactive material. Even in small doses, it gives off more radioactivity
Where 102.91 kJ.mol^{-1} is the heat of evaporation when concerning the radioactive strength of the radiation magnitude emitted from a system, and it is found to be quite high when considering Plutonium-210.

If we consider the magnitude when comparing its mass content, polonium-210 is around 250,000 times more toxic than hydrogen cyanide (the actual LD_{so} for Po^{210} is about 1micg for an 80 kg person compared to about 250mg for hydrogen cyanide). That’s how powerful it is.

And even though it is a small amount, by making your child smoke the amount I have heard parents make them go through as a lesson not to, you are in fact putting the child’s life at risk, never mind for the sake of health in the future.

If you make your child smoke one after the other, in let’s a say a quantity of seven packets, you are in fact subjecting their bodies to levels of Plutonium which is a radioactive substance, and since their body capacity well out-weighs that of the volume of an average adult, you are subjecting them very possibly to magnitudes that can cause a similar, agonizing death with that what happened just last year... For those who are not sure what the side effects are, take your memories back to the Russian spy who was assassinated using the very same chemicals in reasonably small amounts just last year. And, as you might, he died as a result.

SO PLEASE!!!! I beg you, parents of the future, and parents of the present, do not use this as a way to stop your child from ever smoking again, because you may accidentally kill your child from over-exposure to the radioactive properties found in a single cigarette.

References

Cooperative Research Forum :: Iran :: . Dirty bomb and Iran war
6 Apr 2007 ... Ex-KGB spy Litvinenko died in London on 11/23. ..... shedding its supply of plutonium and enriched uranium - capable of producing dozens of ...
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George W. Bush - Terrorist in the White House - Main Page
12 Apr 2004 ... Egyptian 'Mossad spy' dies in UK PDF Aljazeera JUNE 28, 2007 ...... and up went the purity of the smaller Plutonium 239 core. ...
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On Cigarettes CONTENTS of radioactive plutonium:

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Plutonium is a fission fuel for Nuclear Energy and weapons ( Atomic Bomb; .... gas grills, certain home and portable stoves, and certain cigarette lighters. ...
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Alpha-emitters such as polonium and fissile plutonium 239 can be ... the main cancer-causing agent in cigarettes, or large quantities of CU2, NO, and SO2, ...
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(Abstract of a possible experimentation that can prove or disprove the above)

~ Excerpt: The ONLY way to falsify the above (or at least, from what I understand) is by summing the quantity of radiation from one cigarette alone, and then make a total sum, of what was given hypothetically several packets.

This total sum, should give some identification to how it would effect and quite possibly kill a child, through the body-mass content over the sum of the P-210. This, if measured correctly, we can then scientifically determined whether this torment on the child could cause death itself, in a slow, agonizing, as painful is to much of a remedial word to describe the effects of such radioactivity working against the subjects internal defense mechanisms, which in result, makes turns them into a vegetabalized state, and with very little movement, since motor-functions are disabled through the processes.

Warning Parents!!! You May Kill Your Child!! So take heed;

You should not make a child or a teen smoke a superfluous amount of cigarettes if you catch them smoking one.....

what kind of moron does that? I thought it was just a Hollywood movie/TV thing.

so...Reiku...everyone who smokes cigarettes is also radioactive?

why is this not in pseudoscience?

what kind of moron does that? I thought it was just a Hollywood movie/TV thing.


Exactly. In my country, many parents have subjected their children to this unfrotuate set of actions.

And no... it;s not Hollywood material.

so...Reiku...everyone who smokes cigarettes is also radioactive?

why is this not in pseudoscience?

Did you not understand my point about mass-body ratio?

Did you not understand my point about mass-body ratio?

well...that 250,000 thing...were did you get it?

A wiki source, so that i could make sure that my recollection of the magnitude was correct.

[QUOTE=Reiku;1910661]...Cigarettes contain a poison called Plutonium..../QUOTE]

Reiku!!! No they don't. :rolleyes: Do you believe EVERYTHING you read?

Actually, i didn't not only read it, it was also broadcast on BBC television as a report from a medical doctor. So, yes... i will indeed believe it.

Reiku, are you confusing plutonium with polonium?

Yeah, I think Reiku means Polonium-210, not Plutonium-210. I don't have this information memorized, but I'm pretty sure that 210 doesn't fall within the range of Plutonium's isotopes.

Reiku, are you confusing plutonium with polonium?

Absolutely correct! The "great master of physics" obviously pays no more attention to detail in chemistry than he does in physics!!! UGH!!!!:bugeye:

(He also doesn't know the difference in the English words "bare" and "bear" - as in "bear with me" - even though English is his first language.)

I apologize. I mixed the two up.

But, the OP still holds true.

Yeah, I think Reiku means Polonium-210, not Plutonium-210. I don't have this information memorized, but I'm pretty sure that 210 doesn't fall within the range of Plutonium's isotopes.

Yes, you are correct. Plutonium isotopes range from Pu-228 to Pu-247.

Obviously, the OP has no idea what he's talking about. (As usual.)

I got two very similar words confused. It doesn't remove the principle and stated facts given. Grow up...

I got two very similar words confused. It doesn't remove the principle and stated facts given. Grow up...

Your original premise is still false - even after considering the silly chemical mistake. Nicotine is, and always has been the mot poisonous chemical found in cigarettes and tar is the most carcinogenic.

Show proof that your OP is correct and that my statements (above) are incorrect.

No. There is the same radioactive material found even in ciggarettes. My conclusions are backed by actual science.

If you are denying this, then ask any med-doc on-line.

No. There is the same radioactive material found even in ciggarettes. My conclusions are backed by actual science.

Invalid response.

Show proof of your claim. You volunteered the statements, it's up to you to prove your claim.

For those who are not sure what the side effects are, take your memories back to the Russian spy who was assassinated using the very same chemicals in reasonably small amounts just last year. And, as you might, he died as a result.
Putin murdered Litvinenko with Polonium (Po) not Plutonium (Pu)...:rolleyes:

Tabloid Edition: Polonium 210 and CigarettesSo, yes, there is polonium 210 in your cigarettes. And no doubt it is dangerous (for some value of danger) for it to be there. But what we want to know is ...
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There. Now Parents... get a grip.

Reiku...there is Americium in the smoke detector, and smoke detectors are everywhere in our houses....OMG OMG REIKU what are we going to do? We ARE GOING TO DIE....OH NO...OH NO....

http://www.fbr.org/swksweb/smokedetector.jpg

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There. Now Parents... get a grip.

And another:

Transform Drug Policy Foundation: Media Blog: At last! polonium ...In a rather depressing development, apparently a government TV ad that highlights the fact that cigarettes contain polonium-210 has been pulled because ...
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Reiku...there is Americium in the smoke detector, and smoke detectors are everywhere in our houses....OMG OMG REIKU what are we going to do? We ARE GOING TO DIE....OH NO...OH NO....

http://www.fbr.org/swksweb/smokedetector.jpg
Do you not care for human life? Are you so ignorant that you would force several packets of cigs down their throat..??????

Tabloid Edition: Polonium 210 and CigarettesSo, yes, there is polonium 210 in your cigarettes. And no doubt it is dangerous (for some value of danger) for it to be there. But what we want to know is ...
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There. Now Parents... get a grip.

Reiku, you have undone yourself by the very reference you provided! Shot yourself in your own foot and don't even realize it!!!! :D As that little link points out, it's practically nothing compared to the common, everyday background radiation.

Do you not even have enough personal integrity to now admit that this whole business of yours is pointless, unsubstantiated and worthless? And as to your claim that you have scientific evidence - phooey! You have nothing and should admit it.

As I already stated, the biggest dangers from smoking are from the nicotine present and the tar which contains the proven carcinogen benxo-(a)pyrene.

Polonium-210: A Volatile Radioelement in Cigarettes -- Radford and ...Polonium-210, which emits alpha particles, is a natural contaminant of tobacco. For an individual smoking two packages of cigarettes a day, the radiation ...
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Read --

Actually, if you force a child to smoke a great quantity of ciggs, in contrast with making an adult do it, there is a greater chance the child would die.

Simple, and now on ignore.

Polonium-210: A Volatile Radioelement in Cigarettes -- Radford and ...Polonium-210, which emits alpha particles, is a natural contaminant of tobacco. For an individual smoking two packages of cigarettes a day, the radiation ...
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Read --

Actually, if you force a child to smoke a great quantity of ciggs, in contrast with making an adult do it, there is a greater chance the child would die.

Simple, and now on ignore.

I've NEVER advocated forcing a child to smoke!!!! The very thought alone is abhorrent to me!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop trying to put words in my mouth, Reiku, and pay MUCH more attention to details before you start telling the whole world how to behave.

I got two very similar words confused. It doesn't remove the principle and stated facts given. Grow up...

But Reiku, I even asked you if you were certain and you stood by what you said. :shrug:
Its just that as a scientist you have to be certain and check. I'm not a scientist and I checked. What if i had passed that info on to all the people I know. I would have looked like a damn fool.

But Reiku, I even asked you if you were certain and you stood by what you said. :shrug:
Its just that as a scientist you have to be certain and check. I'm not a scientist and I checked. What if i had passed that info on to all the people I know. I would have looked like a damn fool.

Remember what I told you before (twice) about his lying? He didn't check anything. In fact, this whole thing he's created is just another big, fat, misinformed lie.

As has been said before, he doesn't even know the difference between "science" and "a séance."

Jesus Reiku, as has been stated, it's Polonium 210, and you'd have far more to worry about than radiation, if you made a kid smoke a bunch of cigarettes.

But Reiku, I even asked you if you were certain and you stood by what you said. :shrug:
Its just that as a scientist you have to be certain and check. I'm not a scientist and I checked. What if i had passed that info on to all the people I know. I would have looked like a damn fool.

I have only begun chemistry at college. I mixed two words up/ A fact of life, is that a scientist makes errors from time-to-time... something which Read ignores in totality.

Jesus Reiku, as has been stated, it's Polonium 210, and you'd have far more to worry about than radiation, if you made a kid smoke a bunch of cigarettes.I agree. But you obviously haven't computed that i admitted getting two chemical compounds wrong, and neverthless, makes no difference.

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There. Now Parents... get a grip.

if i caught my kids smoking i would kick them from here till next week!!

i would never make them smoke dozens of cigerretes!

I have only begun chemistry at college. I mixed two words up/ A fact of life, is that a scientist makes errors from time-to-time... something which Read ignores in totality.

You STILL don't get it, do you?!?!:bugeye:

I let you off the hook on the mixup in the names - but it still doesn't matter. Except for the fact that it's horrible to force a kid to smoke (still makes me shudder thinking about it!!!) EVERYTHING else you've said here is pure nonsense!

if i caught my kids smoking i would kick them from here till next week!!

i would never make them smoke dozens of cigerretes!


Now, that's where LA HIT IT ON THE NAIL. I never proposed many here have, but i am 99% sure that there has been a few. It was only a warning, and that's all it was meant to be.

It's like warning about over-sweating from heat if you stand too close to a nuclear explosion.

Except, at Hiroshimo, the levels where something like greater magntitudes, than that oF some renedial over-sweating, when taking into the current residual ratio of radiation now in Hiroshima and Nagasaki

I think, its something like 10^{35} time more radioactive than a simple ciggarette. But when you make a child or teen with low body mass, even this small amount of p-210 can indeed kill a child, if forced to smoke i should imagine, something equivalent of several packets.\

It's horrible, i know. But some parents do actually do this to teach a lesson...

....It's horrible, i know. But some parents do actually do this to teach a lesson...

how do you know? And you better not say you heard it on TV. You heard it was plutonium as well. :p

Except, at Hiroshimo, the levels where something like greater magntitudes, than that oF some renedial over-sweating, when taking into the current residual ratio of radiation now in Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Exactly, hence my analogy relating your worrying about such and such radiation with a worry about oversweating at nuke-explosion. Sure, they're both true, but they're both a little silly and superfluous.

As a tangent, when I was about 13 or 14 I decided to chain smoke an entire pack because I was a moron and to see if I could do it. I felt like shit for hours, but I'm still alive (and, I like to think, pretty healthy). :p

Since we know cigarettes contain P-210, a deadly poison, akin to ‘’Digitalis’’, a South American indigenous plant also known as the ‘’Fox-Glove...’’ It grows quite common here in Scotland* when in respect to how the effects alter the motor-functions of the body. Does the poison affect the brain, does it affect the respiratory system, does it shut down your liver or what? Which area of the body does it target directly or accurately that causes death?

• Digitalis, is a poisonous plant, that is quite tall and very pretty… some who know quite a lot about such conditions, nature does use colorful expressions, as a sign of warning… but,.. never mind that… The drug itself Digitalis, thins the blood system, and can drown the brain with oxygen, and cause many possibilities, such as instantaneous coma, to death itself... Of course… all drugs like this, such as Asprin, a compound taken from the Willow Tree, also thins the blood composition, and even though these two drugs operate in differential chemical reactions, they do in the end give the same result on the human body; only difference is, is that the Digitalis is something 10^5 times more potent than a single Asprin tablet when thinning the blood..

The point is, is that a human, can in fact eat at least three petals of the Digitalis, and still live… but this is, and I stress again, only permitted for an adult, with a large body mass content. The reasons why here should be obvious.

The levels of P-210 is sufficient to give a child quite a high probability, if despicably subjected to smoke several packets that he or she could die… since P-210, isn’t only one of the most powerful and discrete radioactive substances on the Elementary Table, it is in fact a massive dose of P-210 for a child.

In possibly a more simpler explanation:

Chemically-induced toxicity may not always be the issue, when concerning the above. But I do argue that a large enough amount of P-210 is ingested, it contributes a massive amount of radiation to the nervous tissues. Which effectively, damages the brain.

Exactly, hence my analogy relating your worrying about such and such radiation with a worry about oversweating at nuke-explosion. Sure, they're both true, but they're both a little silly and superfluous.

As a tangent, when I was about 13 or 14 I decided to chain smoke an entire pack because I was a moron and to see if I could do it. I felt like shit for hours, but I'm still alive (and, I like to think, pretty healthy). :p

But i challenge it depends on the ratio-mass of whatever age the person we are talking about....

how do you know? And you better not say you heard it on TV. You heard it was plutonium as well. :pNo. It seems to be something entwined as a culture here in Scotland, and i very much doubt it hasn't happened in other countries either...

And if you think i am talking shit about all this, these things do actually happen:

Pink (Female Celebrity Smoking List)Pink laughs, 'My mom caught me with a pack of cigarettes when I was in the seventh grade. She made me smoke the whole packet in front of her, thinking that ...
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No. It seems to be something entwined as a culture here in Scotland, and i very much doubt it hasn't happened in other countries either...

Reiku, if you are a scientist, you can't assume. You have to have proof. Just because you heard of it happening doesn't mean it did. And it definitely doesn't mean its happening worldwide. :bugeye:

I agree, somewhat... but remember, a scientist first needs to assume whether the evidence seems plausible... which... in my opinion... tends to fall as a serious ratio to consider.

For instance, what if P-210 poisening through protien-1 mechanism where it's air-born chemicals effects the breathing of a very young child... may this indicate a mechanism of cot-death, because if i remember correctly, the mechanism of cot-death has not been proven.

And if you think i am talking shit about all this, these things do actually happen:

Pink (Female Celebrity Smoking List)Pink laughs, 'My mom caught me with a pack of cigarettes when I was in the seventh grade. She made me smoke the whole packet in front of her, thinking that ...
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Show me an example of a child dying from such exposure.

So, er.. how many cigarettes can the caring parent force the child to safely smoke? Pink's mam forced her to smoke a pack of 20 once - and look how she turned out!

Reiku says that seven packs in one go is the danger level, but I suspect that it's lower than this.

Basically I think if you're making your child smoke more than, say, six packs a day... you're guilty of child abuse. Anything less than that though is probably ok.

Right...

So, er.. how many cigarettes can the caring parent force the child to safely smoke? Pink's mam forced her to smoke a pack of 20 once - and look how she turned out!

Reiku says that seven packs in one go is the danger level, but I suspect that it's lower than this.

Basically I think if you're making your child smoke more than, say, six packs a day... you're guilty of child abuse. Anything less than that though is probably ok.

I will implore a mod to allow me to re-start this thread, without the flaming this time...?

Why? It's great as it is.

I will implore a mod to allow me to re-start this thread, without the flaming this time...?

Why? Even excusing your initial mistake about Po/Pu, the rest of what you tried to insert as proof was just nonsense.

You never even told us what "scientists" thought that we had adapted to being zapped with radiation.

''Those who haven't made an error, have not lived.''

Einstein

ps. Act your age, not your shoe-size

''Those who haven't made an error, have not lived.''

Einstein

ps. Act your age, not your shoe-size

I agree with uncle Albert. And you should take your own advice - it might make you look considerably less of a fool.

The thing about "redoing" this thread is that you have no substance to present - so why subject everyone to the same nonsense over again???