John J. Bannan
06-28-07, 09:51 AM
Why is it that all the big scientific discoveries are made by young scientists? Do the older scientists just lose their mental capacity? Do they lose the ability to look at things in a fresh light?
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View Full Version : What happens to old scientists? John J. Bannan 06-28-07, 09:51 AM Why is it that all the big scientific discoveries are made by young scientists? Do the older scientists just lose their mental capacity? Do they lose the ability to look at things in a fresh light? nietzschefan 06-28-07, 09:52 AM Old Scientists never die, they just devolve. Wisdom_Seeker 06-28-07, 10:14 AM Why is it that all the big scientific discoveries are made by young scientists? Do the older scientists just lose their mental capacity? Do they lose the ability to look at things in a fresh light? because they keep ejaculating Faerynght 06-28-07, 10:42 AM Could you please define old? I know plenty of researchers, clinicians, etc. in their 40's-60's that contribute quite a bit to scientific discoveries. Read-Only 06-28-07, 10:52 AM Why is it that all the big scientific discoveries are made by young scientists? Do the older scientists just lose their mental capacity? Do they lose the ability to look at things in a fresh light? You first need to show the validity of that statement. I, for one, doubt it's accuracy. And also define "older." phlogistician 06-28-07, 10:55 AM Why is it that all the big scientific discoveries are made by young scientists? Do the older scientists just lose their mental capacity? Do they lose the ability to look at things in a fresh light? Contrary to the sterotypical image of a man haired old guy with bottle bottomed glasses, the majority of research is by post doctoral scientists around 30 years of age. Not all are in it for the long run, and many I have known have headed for the private sector for better remuneration once they have a healthy set of publications behind them. Money is academic posts isn't great, I have worked for a couple of Universities, and soon improved my lot once I left. But there is a fresh wave of graduates researching PHDs and Post docs conductng research each year, so the age range is biased towards this band. So it's quite simple, bleed off of the older and a constant resupply of the young. Also, someone has to teach, many of the post docs take teaching roles and their research time takes a dent. In fact, there weren't that many pure research roles at my last place of employ, most were expected to teach even if just one lecture a week. Klippymitch 06-28-07, 10:56 AM Becuase they lose their creativity, and begin thinking more as in a straight line. Imagination is more important than intelligence according to Einstein. Faerynght 06-28-07, 11:05 AM What kind of science are you basing your statement? I work in cancer research which is made up of many different sciences and cores from basic sciences to clinical sciences. Klippymitch 06-28-07, 11:18 AM As you get older your frontal lobe of your brain becomes more devoloped. At age 26 your brain is fully developed. The frontal Lobe is great for Math and Statistics but what it gains it loses in creativity. John J. Bannan 06-28-07, 11:19 AM Examples, Issac Newton, Einstein . . . Faerynght 06-28-07, 11:27 AM Well these guys are pretty smart and older: http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/2005/ http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/chemistry/laureates/2005/ http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/2005/ Some pretty interesting stuff... I can post more later John J. Bannan 06-28-07, 11:29 AM I mean "big" discoveries. Faerynght 06-28-07, 11:51 AM I suppose some of those are big discoveries to certain people. Here is one of my favorite researchers, her work has been a "big" discovery in regards to breast cancer. http://www.umgcc.org/news/brodie_home.htm John J. Bannan 06-28-07, 11:58 AM Did they make a PBS special about her? Come on, you know - "BIG" discoveries. Read-Only 06-28-07, 12:09 PM Did they make a PBS special about her? Come on, you know - "BIG" discoveries. I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions. Show proof of your assertion, define "old" and while you're at it, define "big" discovery. Until you satisfy those, this will go nowhere. Faerynght 06-28-07, 12:13 PM People with breast cancer and their families think this is a "big" discovery. Nickelodeon 06-28-07, 12:16 PM Maybe he means the Big 100 http://science.discovery.com/convergence/100discoveries/big100/big100.html John J. Bannan 06-28-07, 12:22 PM "Big" means they make a PBS special about it. "Old" means beyond "young". Wisdom_Seeker 06-28-07, 12:29 PM "Big" means they make a PBS special about it. "Old" means beyond "young". lol Faerynght 06-28-07, 01:00 PM Here you go: Old scientist: http://www.childrenshospital.org/cfapps/research/data_admin/Site105/mainpageS105P0.html His PBS special: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/cancer/ John J. Bannan 06-28-07, 01:06 PM Judah Folkman may be old and have his own PBS Special, but he was young when he came up with his theories. Faerynght 06-28-07, 01:10 PM He is still publishing research... John J. Bannan 06-28-07, 01:12 PM So, what? Being a useful old scientist is not the question. Faerynght 06-28-07, 01:17 PM I would think that most researchers start to hypothesize when they are young and are able to carry them out once they have the credentialing, resources, and funding to be able to fully complete them. He was 38 when he formed the hypothesis regarding tumor growth and angiogenesis dependence. Read-Only 06-28-07, 03:46 PM "Big" means they make a PBS special about it. "Old" means beyond "young". Now THAT really defined it - NOT! :bugeye: spidergoat 06-28-07, 04:51 PM The old scientists I know get funding for start-ups to implement technology based on their discoveries. They also mentor young scientists. S.A.M. 06-28-07, 05:09 PM When you're young you have many ideas, but when you're older, you're working on them. Billy T 06-28-07, 05:19 PM Some post here.;) John J. Bannan 06-29-07, 09:38 AM Yeah, but why work on old out-dated ideas? Wouldn't it be better to work on new fresh ones? |