View Full Version : What happens to old scientists?


John J. Bannan
06-28-07, 09:51 AM
Why is it that all the big scientific discoveries are made by young scientists? Do the older scientists just lose their mental capacity? Do they lose the ability to look at things in a fresh light?

nietzschefan
06-28-07, 09:52 AM
Old Scientists never die, they just devolve.

Wisdom_Seeker
06-28-07, 10:14 AM
Why is it that all the big scientific discoveries are made by young scientists? Do the older scientists just lose their mental capacity? Do they lose the ability to look at things in a fresh light?

because they keep ejaculating

Faerynght
06-28-07, 10:42 AM
Could you please define old? I know plenty of researchers, clinicians, etc. in their 40's-60's that contribute quite a bit to scientific discoveries.

Read-Only
06-28-07, 10:52 AM
Why is it that all the big scientific discoveries are made by young scientists? Do the older scientists just lose their mental capacity? Do they lose the ability to look at things in a fresh light?

You first need to show the validity of that statement. I, for one, doubt it's accuracy. And also define "older."

phlogistician
06-28-07, 10:55 AM
Why is it that all the big scientific discoveries are made by young scientists? Do the older scientists just lose their mental capacity? Do they lose the ability to look at things in a fresh light?

Contrary to the sterotypical image of a man haired old guy with bottle bottomed glasses, the majority of research is by post doctoral scientists around 30 years of age.

Not all are in it for the long run, and many I have known have headed for the private sector for better remuneration once they have a healthy set of publications behind them. Money is academic posts isn't great, I have worked for a couple of Universities, and soon improved my lot once I left.

But there is a fresh wave of graduates researching PHDs and Post docs conductng research each year, so the age range is biased towards this band. So it's quite simple, bleed off of the older and a constant resupply of the young.

Also, someone has to teach, many of the post docs take teaching roles and their research time takes a dent. In fact, there weren't that many pure research roles at my last place of employ, most were expected to teach even if just one lecture a week.

Klippymitch
06-28-07, 10:56 AM
Becuase they lose their creativity, and begin thinking more as in a straight line.

Imagination is more important than intelligence according to Einstein.

Faerynght
06-28-07, 11:05 AM
What kind of science are you basing your statement? I work in cancer research which is made up of many different sciences and cores from basic sciences to clinical sciences.

Klippymitch
06-28-07, 11:18 AM
As you get older your frontal lobe of your brain becomes more devoloped. At age 26 your brain is fully developed. The frontal Lobe is great for Math and Statistics but what it gains it loses in creativity.

John J. Bannan
06-28-07, 11:19 AM
Examples, Issac Newton, Einstein . . .

Faerynght
06-28-07, 11:27 AM
Well these guys are pretty smart and older:
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/2005/

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/chemistry/laureates/2005/

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/2005/

Some pretty interesting stuff...

I can post more later

John J. Bannan
06-28-07, 11:29 AM
I mean "big" discoveries.

Faerynght
06-28-07, 11:51 AM
I suppose some of those are big discoveries to certain people. Here is one of my favorite researchers, her work has been a "big" discovery in regards to breast cancer.

http://www.umgcc.org/news/brodie_home.htm

John J. Bannan
06-28-07, 11:58 AM
Did they make a PBS special about her? Come on, you know - "BIG" discoveries.

Read-Only
06-28-07, 12:09 PM
Did they make a PBS special about her? Come on, you know - "BIG" discoveries.

I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions. Show proof of your assertion, define "old" and while you're at it, define "big" discovery.

Until you satisfy those, this will go nowhere.

Faerynght
06-28-07, 12:13 PM
People with breast cancer and their families think this is a "big" discovery.

Nickelodeon
06-28-07, 12:16 PM
Maybe he means the Big 100

http://science.discovery.com/convergence/100discoveries/big100/big100.html

John J. Bannan
06-28-07, 12:22 PM
"Big" means they make a PBS special about it. "Old" means beyond "young".

Wisdom_Seeker
06-28-07, 12:29 PM
"Big" means they make a PBS special about it. "Old" means beyond "young".

lol

Faerynght
06-28-07, 01:00 PM
Here you go:

Old scientist:

http://www.childrenshospital.org/cfapps/research/data_admin/Site105/mainpageS105P0.html

His PBS special:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/cancer/

John J. Bannan
06-28-07, 01:06 PM
Judah Folkman may be old and have his own PBS Special, but he was young when he came up with his theories.

Faerynght
06-28-07, 01:10 PM
He is still publishing research...

John J. Bannan
06-28-07, 01:12 PM
So, what? Being a useful old scientist is not the question.

Faerynght
06-28-07, 01:17 PM
I would think that most researchers start to hypothesize when they are young and are able to carry them out once they have the credentialing, resources, and funding to be able to fully complete them. He was 38 when he formed the hypothesis regarding tumor growth and angiogenesis dependence.

Read-Only
06-28-07, 03:46 PM
"Big" means they make a PBS special about it. "Old" means beyond "young".

Now THAT really defined it - NOT! :bugeye:

spidergoat
06-28-07, 04:51 PM
The old scientists I know get funding for start-ups to implement technology based on their discoveries. They also mentor young scientists.

S.A.M.
06-28-07, 05:09 PM
When you're young you have many ideas, but when you're older, you're working on them.

Billy T
06-28-07, 05:19 PM
Some post here.;)

John J. Bannan
06-29-07, 09:38 AM
Yeah, but why work on old out-dated ideas? Wouldn't it be better to work on new fresh ones?