Forget new nuclear weapons, hypersonic bombers, or cyber-warefare, supercavitating weapons will lead a brand new form of warefare in the next fifty years. Supercavitating weapons, or propulsion in water may in the near future allow submarines to travel some at well over 150 mph. Russia has a fairly unknown torpedio that travels at approximatly 230 mph, and is planning to sell them to France, Iran, China, and the Ukraine. To get a better overview on the whole subject, now that I've surely got you hooked click on this link:

http://www.sciam.com/2001/0501issue/0501ashley.html

For anyone intrested in the Navy, military weapons or combat in general this should hit the spot. Very exciting!:D

thecurly1

Where were you when the Russians arrested Parker, a retired Naval Intelligence Officer, who just happened to be in Russian looking for a good deal on some outdated torpedos?

Russia has had supercavitation weapons for almost twenty years, including pistols and rifles used by the SPETzNAZ, their equivalent of our SEALS.

You just didn't believe me when I mentioned a while back that the Russian weapons and space program were/was quite advanced.

I thought the whole supercavitation thing was religated to water, the object is surrouned by basicly an airbuble that allows it to move with less resistance than it would against water. This technology doesn't work for balistic projectiles when out of the water. Yes the Russians do have this new torpedio and other advanced technology. If they were the USSR they'd be a bigger threat the the US, I believe the threat has diminished slightly because they are a democracy. I enjoyed reading "The Hunt for Red October", though not on supercavitation it was a very good naval thriller. I love Tom Clancy.

Any who, if the Russians, and other countries have supercavitation weapons I'm pretty sure that the USN has been developing their own SC underwater weapon systems. It's starting to sound like a SC weapon had something to do with the Kursk sinking. It would be rather unlikely for a torpedio to explode in the bow of a Typhoon missile sub, and why are the Russians brining it up? They've lost other subs, that are still sitting on the sea floor. Sounds a bit odd to me. What about you Chagur?:D

Sorry I wasn't clearer re. the SPETzNAZ weapons. The weapons were designed to be used by them underwater!

Actually, if they were still the USSR they'd be less of a threat to us. Remember, we got along with the Soviet Union for over forty years - The so called 'cold war' - with neither one of us stepping on the other's toes too hard. Now that they're practically destitute they're far more of a danger, but indirectly: selling some of their advanced weapons technology to whoever has the bucks.

Re. Clancy's 'Hunt for Red October': the bit there was magneto-hydrodynamic propulsion. Best part for me was seeing a copy of 'Proceedings' on the Captain's desk in his stateroom.

Re. the Kursk: It was the supercavitating torpedo that made a mess of the pride of Russian's submarine fleet (brand spanking new), two of them actually, and why they are going to recover the Kursk. They don't want to take a chance on us trying to do again what we tried to do about twenty or so years ago.

Oh, and it wasn't a matter of the torpedos blowing up but rather the rockets that create the cavity and propel the topedo until it reverts to conventional propulsion and homing, like maybe the last hundred yards or so.

Our Navy is experimenting with SC weapons to diffuse mines (Popular Science). We also may have submarines that does not use propellers (hence run silent run deep).

The future major weapon will be antimatter missiles, high energy particle cannons and electronic nerve disrupters.

Chagur thanks for clearing up the SC weapons bit with the Spetznaz, I thought you might be talking about underwater weapons but I wasn't sure. :D You are right that they are dangerous indirectly, by selling weapons of mass destruction to enemies of the US, and potential ones. I think the direct relationship between the USA and Russia will slowly get better along the way, as long as Bush doesn't piss them off.

I don't believe that kmguru that anti-matter weapons, high energy lasers, and electronic nerve disrupters will become a reality. First anti-matter though powerful, only extremely small amounts, a few particles can be produced, even those are produced at a very expensive cost. Nuclear weapons will not be replaced by anti-matter weapons. The most powerful high energy laser that has been produced has the explosive potential of a forty pound sack of explosives. SDI had problems with making them work in the eighties. Most of the exhibitions by the defense contractors were faked, which we later found out.

Electronic nerve disrupters, that sounds like a bad '50s ray gun name. Bullets and bombs will remain the main stay of the world's armies, just as they have since gun powder was invented. Rail guns, and better explosives will increase their lethality.

Sry, long reply. :D

Originally posted by thecurly1
I don't believe that kmguru that anti-matter weapons, high energy lasers, and electronic nerve disrupters will become a reality.

For those of us who work in this field, we really do not want you to believe in it for a moment until we make it public.

Sure, you just told me and everyone else that will view your post that supposibly that you have gotten high energy weapons to work. You've just contradicted yourself which makes your quote quite absent of any credibility.

Bullets have been used for a thousand years, and will kill more people than any other weapon permitting there isn't a nuclear holocaust.

OOPS....there goes my credibility....going...going....gone....

Not only are bullets effective, they are cheap. Any nut with the desire can come up with one. So is biology weaponery (to some extent) and it requires less aiming with a larger impact than the bullet.

I would make the guess that we will continue to see modifications to present weaponry as the norm. Maybe personalized weapons. Ones that won't fire except to the one it is imprinted to, how ever the means. Nonlethal weaponry for capture and interrogation. Temporary incapation devices such as the Taser. This for small scale stuff and special teams and covert ops.

The lastest rounds of war have been more of a policing action instead of something like World Wars. I doubt that we will see their like again. To risky. Instead we have the unsatisfieds with a beef. Bully of the block so to say. Our great danger here is as was stated earlier. China or Russia, selling technologies and weapons old hat to them but vastly superior to what the third world countries have. If they should manage to put together several technologies and come up with the right mixture it could be devestating to the unsuspecting.

I personally prefer nonlethal, no permanent damage weapons. It is only humane thing to do. There is a patent (I downloaded it but now can not find it) that has a very slick idea.

The old Taser works by passing 25000 volts or so through two wires to connect to the subject. The new technology is to replace the wires with ordinary laser that ionizes the air which acts as conductors. You get to aim easy and fire the charge.

Another patent I read uses certain sound frequecies and very high decible level that can disorient a person. Still another that uses a carrier wave and modulation technique to deliver the frequecies to the body that disrupts (overwhelms) bodies own motor communication system for 5 to 15 minutes depending on the size of the person.

kmguru,

I have plans for a high power red ruby laser cannon. I have not built it yet because a small ruby or yag crystal is outrageously expensive. I can scan and post them if anyone wants.

Also have plans for a high power shock wave gun that uses an array of peizoelectric transducers.

I recommend using lab created rubies. They are cheaper but pure. What size you need? China started making them. I can set you up with the right party. Also if you need any diamonds, I have a source too (black diamond - same properties).

The truth of the matter is lasers will never be that powerful. Start work on a mass driver. Use lasers to guide atoms which will have more punch. If you accelarate something of mass at high speed, the kinetic energy will destroy anything upon impact. You can also use a high energy magnetic cannon that shoots very small particles at a very high velocity. I think FSU has a large lab.

Have fun....

kmguru,

Thanks, I will look into it and get back to you.
Black diamonds have the same properties as ruby crystals?
I did not know that.

Again, thanks,

Shadow

Sorry for the confusion... black diamond have the same properties as white diamonds except opacity.

kmguru

You have made mention before that you do a lot of research. While this may not be in your area or the places you look towards I would like to try and draw upon some of it.

What is the latest advances in energy weapons and sheilds research? Where is this likely to lead?

I can only answer questions in this area from already published material (public knowledge). I can not tell you my predictions that is too close to reality. Because I have worked in certain secure projects in the past and did work for a company who did heavy work in these area. Though technically I can say anything (there is no legal basis) it is not a good idea because this is an open forum.

Here is why: Suppose you are a physicist or a nuclear engineer. Even though you have not worked in a secure environment, you could easily deduce how to build a bomb (even the very word is scanned by UncleSAM). Now if you put that on the internet that will cause some serious problems.

It happened to me several years ago. I inadvertently put my own chemical formula of a certain item on a company document that was not stamped 'Classified' (because I made it up). I was investigated thoroughly to see how I found out about it because the formula was close to the truth. Finally they said that even though it was my idea, I can not tell anybody without a proper security clearance. So from that time on, I stay away from the oxymorons (military intelligence) as far as possible.

Having said that, a lot of information gets leaked out purposefully from the establishment to either get funding or to scare our opposition or to send our opponent in wild goose chase. If you list the area of your interest and specific items, I can comment on it.

If you read the Darpa bids over the last 3 years, you will get a flavor of what is going on. That does not mean it will happen. There is too much politics involved and the red tapes.

In energy weapons, they are tinkering with lasers to make it more powerful. Unless some general writes a check of say 100 million dollar to do the next generation energy weapons, it will not happen for a while - because those things require faith to execute not 100K prototype.

Today we have the technology to blow one or fifty missiles out of the sky. So energy weapons is not a problem. But we do not have the weapons yet. Target acquisition is not a problem. Finally our military is catching up with civilian technology.

Passive Energy shielding is a problem. No one has any idea what it is a la Startrek. That that is not going to happen for quite sometime. The best solution is to have several expert system based particle cannons (for the lack of a better word) with a computer link to attack the target. Note: any public research is no good unless you are into the technology itself for obvious reasons.

If you speculate, I will tell you if it is valid or not. Sorry, being so long winded....

kmguru,

A rather intriguing response to wet1. Apparently the devices I'm messing with are just toys (although fun and just as dangerous) by the standards that you are used to. Even so, I have a question about the diamonds, are they used in laser production or did you mention them because they are used in something similar? None of the schematics I have list any sort of diamonds as part of the lasing sequence. If not laser, then what?

Shadow

P.S. I think I need to do more research. When you asked what size rod I needed, I did not know. Read through all I have and it never says. Schematics say refer to text, text says refer to supplier, so I honestly have no idea. Any recommendations?

Hmmm, I am led into endless speculation and curiosity! I glean from your writings more than what was asked for was answered. And yet none. And I do understand the oxymoron having experienced it on other levels. I also see something I had not anticipated. Let me think on this a bit and I will return at a later time with more suitable questions.

By shields I had thought in terms of things like they are using lasers to move atoms by force, in reality a type of shield as it is a force that is used to nudge it in the proper direction. I had not thought in Star Wars terms. (tunnel vision) Much the same for energy weapons.

How could energy be stored until it could be called upon for use in an energy weapon? I speculate that energy weapons and shields need a reservoir to draw upon.

Given that effectiveness drops with range, what would be an acceptable and effective range and what would be necessary to boost an energy weapon to that point?

It would seem that such weapons would require some exotic materials. Any you could speculate on?

I think that this would do for starters.

First, the reason I had to do the disclaimer is that news boards and open forums are monitored by you know who. I did not want to do something stupid.

Now, the energy storage is simple capacitors. That is an open knowledge. What I can not tell you is how the energy is controlled. It is easy to do if you know what you are doing. They have been testing this for the last six years.

Though effectiveness drops for large mass, tiny items on a ionized stream can have all the punch needed. That is not a problem.

Exotic material? not really. Though I am not privy to that information, I can speculate certain carbide alloys, and certain heavy metals and plain mercury atoms would do the job.

I think prehaps another line of question might be a better course. I had heard the possibility of some new method to use nonleathal capture. like a sticky mass to restrain through gluing the victum/target to itself. Any thougts? Ideas?

They already have the glue stuff. The better and cheaper method will be electronic method, since it is not consumable. The glue, spider web, rubber bullets, water, gas and so on. I think we are close to coming up a gadget that loosens up your bowel. It will stink a lot but be very effective. Another one is to cause a stomach pain that does not do any physiological damage, and so on.

What is your preference for mob control? Then I can work on the technology side.

I have been on the front lines of mob control. You know, one of the idiots holding the rifle. One of the reserve weapons was the helicopter with CS powder in drums. Downwash of the rotor would spread the powder rather effectively over a larger area. This is public knowledge as it has been used a few times in the past.

So, what about a dispersal weapon, used from the individual's perspective, for the mass. Instead of the helicopter. Rubber bullets are effective for one to one but a mob is slightly more than a one to one targets. Water cannons are effective until the source is depleted which comes rather quickly. What is needed is a wide area, nonlethal, incapacitating device. One that is renewing and reusable and preferabally cheap to use.

That is why, the best is electronic means that is yet to be designed. Other means are mercaptans (stink bombs). I do not think there is any chemical that can incapacitate for a short period with no long term effect and work on a parts per billion basis.

Another one is to use a virus whose life span is only 1 hour and can not reproduce. But it is too risky. Ah!, we could use such a virus on a battle field. I have not thought about mob control too much, because it is rare in US. Given time, I could come up with an elegant means that is highly ethical (like putting someone to sleep - not dead).

kmguru,

OK, here's the basics, after reading these plans, I had a chance to acquire a couple of used power supplies from a professional photography company. With the schematics from them, I was able to alter the laser plans (they originally called for 2 flashtubes placed on either side of a ruby crystal and wrapped in tinfoil).
The power supply I have will fire 4 channels at 1500 w/s each and recharge in 6 seconds. I got a glass tube (approx 2" I.D., and 2 feet long) mirrored on the inside. My plan was to insert 4 12" long flashtubes equidistant and a ruby crystal in the center, with a small fan for cooling. I was thinking of using lenses to get focal lengths of around 30 to 100 feet (experimentation required).


Also, about mob control, I believe I read something about an acoustical device using extremely low frequencies to cause bowel pain or disorientate, not sure which.


Shadow

This from the BBC today:

Tranquilliser guns will be issued to police in a bid to cut fatal shootings by armed officers, it has been reported.
Home Secretary David Blunkett is to bring forward plans to issue dart guns to officers to give them a "third way" between using guns and batons, according to The Observer.

The move follows the death of schizophrenic Andrew Kernan, who was shot dead by police marksmen in Liverpool last Thursday as he waved a samurai sword.


It seems we are not the only ones concerned with the immobiliztion and capture without harm. Rather it seems we may well be slightly ahead of our time.

I can design and prototype a gadget in 6 months that will immobilize a suspect in less than 5 seconds. The battery pack can be worn on the belt and the device on the wrist that will be no more than a hotel soap.

And would this be a transmitting type of effect? Or more like a stun gun where wires are required to connect to the target? Or more like the Taser where it requires you touch the target?

You guessed it, it is a stun gun, where the two wires are replaced by two laser beams that conduct electricity by ionizing the air. Somebody already has a patent on it. Except the laser beam, everything is exactly like a stun gun. The distance depends on the energy lvel of the laser and the applied voltage. How neat....

Chagur wrote
Re. the Kursk: It was the supercavitating torpedo that made a mess of the pride of Russian's submarine fleet (brand spanking new), two of them actually, and why they are going to recover the Kursk. They don't want to take a chance on us trying to do again what we tried to do about twenty or so years ago.


I realize that this a little out of order to go back some ways to an earlier part of this thread but I ran into this and thought I would share it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1425000/images/_1426312_raising_kursk2_300.gif

To get the whole info on this refer to this link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/europe/2001/russian_sub/raise_1.stm

Any further speculations?

If the idea was to keep the SC torpedos secret, then that may be the case. But their demise could not be due to them. Any SC device does not need to start out at a constant velocity. A torpedo can speed up to sc level. But a bullet has to travel because there is no mechanism to accelarate it.

The technology is basic Fluid dynamics studied in any engineering college in the world.

kmguru.

If the idea was to keep the SC torpedos secret, then that may be the case.Remember, the Kurst also carried ballistic missles (ten I believe) and the most current guidance technology.
But their demise could not be due to them.Apparently you aren't current. Check the Moscow Times: A second note has been found referring to the topedo problem.
Any SC device does not need to start out at a constant velocity.No one said that it did, certainly not I (reread my original post).
A torpedo can speed up to sc level.And that is why they suspect the propellant was what caused the first explosion. The torpedo is believed to use a liquid propellant to get it out to arming/acquiring/supercavitation distance, contrary to previous battery/electric motor propulsion.
But a bullet has to travel because there is no mechanism to accelerate it.
Steel, I believe, spike would be a more appropriate description of what the SPETzNAZ underwater rifle and pistol use.
The technology is basic Fluid dynamics studied in any engineering college in the world.If the concept is so basic, why is it that no one else developed it in the thirty or so years that the Russians have been using it for weapons development? It was in the early '70's, I believe, that the SPETzNAZ weapons were developed, the '80's when the torpedo was developed, and not until '95 that word got out that Russia had such weapons (check Jane's). Oh, and don't forget: We lost the USS Scorpion (SSN-589), 21 May, 1968, about 400 miles off the Azores due to a similar accident (torpedo believed to have 'run hot' while returning from the Mediteranian).

thecurly1,

Sorry if I confused you by referring to that arrested ex-Naval Intelligence Officer as Parker.
"Convicted US spy Edmond Pope left Russia on December 14, 2000, hours after President Vladimir Putin granted him a pardon from a 20-year jail sentence, citing his poor health."

Sorry I missed all the great and broad replies. Anyways, if SC technology is as revolutionary as it sounds than this will be the most important invention of the next century. This is the most replies if've ever had to a post. I'm so happy.

About the Kursk, to set off another conspiracy theory I'll present my own: the Kursk was a Russian oscar-class submarine. Able to carry nuclear SLBMs to attack America. It was also equipt to destroy enemie hunter-killer subs. These submarines are juniors of the Russian Typhoon class SSBNs. The Typhoon class is such as this (From SSN, by Tom Clancy): The Typhoon is constructed of titanium with a double hull, making it extreamly hard to kill. Do you buy that a single torpedo exploding in the front of the ship sunk it? I don't. The torpedo's would have been isolated enought that if one went off, it wouldn't set off the other ones. I think the Russians were either testing a Supercavitation weapon, or there was an accidental firing of an SC torpedo.

Other Russian subs have sunk in the past, why are they rasing this one, near Russian without the cold war. There's something on that ship, or something that happened that they don't wan't anyone to know about. Why didn't the Russian Navy want help, especially from America, to resuce the Kursk sailors? Too fishy, no pun intended.

P.S. To lazy to check spelling. :D

If the concept is so basic, why is it that no one else developed it in the thirty or so years that the Russians have been using it for weapons development?

I do not know whether US has such weapons in the last 30 years. But I can tell you that just because the concept follows a basic theory does not mean that anyone will commercialize it unless of course your opponent does.

For example, rotary engines (Mazda) pack a lot of HP in a very small package. The product has been around for a long time. Have you seen a weed whacker or portable power generator on that technology? I just read in PS that someone is developing a tiny rotary engine that will generate 40 watts for small tool use.

My engineering class project in 1968 was to design a propellerless submarine which worked just fine. Except US navy, I do not know anybody has one. On top of that it is not public knowledge.

Even though multi frequency sensor array was developed many years ago, US just recently started using for target aquisition.

So you see, just because a theory is in the books does not mean anything....

In my confidence in the US Navy, I assume that we are close to the Russians, if not more advanced in Naval technology. I'm sure that the Russians, didn't want any one to know that they've accomplished supercavitation, and utilized it in weapons. I think that the Navy has SC weapons, but there hasn't been a leak to the public.

Maybe when the Robert Hansen case is finished we'll know if the navy was affected and if so, it may give the public a general idea of the areas that had been compromised.

Unless our military wants you to know, you will not find out. The fact that certain special type weapons and resources have not been public (Janes or anywhere) says a lot about the information. It does not mean that the Military keeps a secret. What it means is that unless someone in the authority tells a newspaper or magazine, it is not published - and nobody would believe it anyway.

For example, I heard a lot of opposition to SDI (another thread). About 6 years ago someone was working (can not detail) on high energy weapons. At that rate I could have had one. I think we do but not admitting openly because it may violate SALT II or something.

kmguru,

My engineering class project in 1968 was to design a propellerless submarine which worked just fine. Except US navy, I do not know anybody has one. On top of that it is not public knowledge. Sure, like the carburators that were supposed to give you fifty miles to the gallon. 'Worked just fine'? Must have been noisy as all hell. Neither the US or the Russian subs have used anything but propellers.
For example, rotary engines (Mazda) pack a lot of HP in a very small package. The product has been around for a long time. Yeah, like since the '60's when NSU developed it but couldn't solve the seal problem. Took the Japanese to do it.


thecurly1,

In my confidence in the US Navy, I assume that we are close to the Russians, if not more advanced in Naval technology.Sure, kid. Just like we thought we were in air-to-air missle technology until the wall came down and ... wonder of wonders ... the Russians had vector thrust AAM's that could be fired backwards, even when flying supersonic! Bit of a surprise that was, let me tell you.

With secrecy between both countries, and scare information that's been leaked to the public it's difficult to estimate our technological closeness to Russia. Then again they still don't have any stealth aircraft that we know of, and they have one antiquated aircraft carrier. I hope that we are ahead of the Russians, but either way its hard to speculate.

Hi Chagur:

You mean you did not buy the car with the carburator that my alma mater designed and Honda perfected (that gives 80 miles to the gallon)?

As I said, somethings are not public knowledge. That is why they call it , guess what? SECRET

For TINY Rotary engine here is the link:

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2001/04/02_engin.html

Picture:
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2001/04/images/engine.jpg

From the thread Nano Wine Glass.

http://nanozine.com/Motor.gif

You have explained rotoary and nano engines but how will this be an important piece of technology related to the military? Thats what i'm wondering about.

On the nano side.
If I load a million little bugs (machines) programmed to say ruin ground water and public water supplies and launch them say a hundred vehicles at a time towards the enemy, they won't see them come. They will only see the result of the process if they get down into the realms of submicroscopic. How long will the discovery take? What remedial action would you take to neutralize such an attack? My little nanomotor might be used to disperse such critters along the way. Kind of like a paratrooper jumping out of the plane. If each nanobot is given instructions to build something that pollutes that water in time you have a massive headache if you are the target.

Sounds within reason, but I still prefere bullets over insects.

Re: Nonomotor:
Good post. Now that the cat is out of the bag, there is a lot of money going to nanoresearch. Because it is still in the early stages, scientists publish papers which the opponent finds out and copies them. So when the paper publication stops, then there is the race to built the weapons from the last published knowledge.

That means, the opponent will have the same capabilities both offense and defense. The defense will include seek and destroy nanobots that will home in the signature of the offending party.

It is a race no doubt....

We can start a whole new post on this wet1, you do the honors!

Shadow:

You can delete both your postings, then I will delete this one. That way we take the garbage out.....

Originally posted by thecurly1
Sounds within reason, but I still prefere bullets over insects.

What will happen if insects eat your bullets? And how many of you will go to far away hostile places? And what you will do if those insects (nanobots) chomp your butt off???

Oh I'm surprised you haven heard of the newest bug replant? Its called Raid Napalm. :D

O! curley1

And you have not heard of Depleted Uranium bullets...and still want to play with it? I am surprised...

By the way, those Napalms, they will vaporize you too...

Looks like we are stuck in this thread.....

Depleated Uranium rounds can be fired from the M1-A1 Abrhams Battle tank. They were used with amazing lethality in the Gulf War, making Russian-built tanks into molten Tonka trucks with great ease.

Maybe the can of Napalm Raid will come with a fire-retardent suit, and gloves. This is giving me a pretty intresting idea for a new business venture... Any investors out there?

Who needs comedians when you crack yourself up?

Napalm Raid? I guess that's what I should have called the hairspray and lit newspaper I used for getting rid of wasp/hornet nests. But it did not contain jellied gasoline.

A 'Ball Fryer' based on using microwave energy to increase the temperature of the testicles to an intolerable level!

Immediate incapacitation!

Non-lethal (except to future generations)!

A deterent to conflict (who'd want to go on the field of battle?)

Hell, that idea could win me a Nobel Prize! A couple of them!

Just thinking ... :p

I think that should be banned by the Geneva accord.

Sounds more inhuman than chemical or bio weapons.

OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

uh, I going to go find my foxhole. Wake me up when it's over.

You guessed it, it is a stun gun, where the two wires are replaced by two laser beams that conduct electricity by ionizing the air. Somebody already has a patent on it. Except the laser beam, everything is exactly like a stun gun. The distance depends on the energy lvel of the laser and the applied voltage. How neat....
how do you make the lasers ionize air?

.. uh peace? :D

High energy laser automatically ionizes the air...

how about a virus or nanobug that can wipeout every human on the face of the earth very fast.

perhaps the survivors if any, will learn that figthing each other is pointless in the end

I think the most important tech. advance in the next century will be with ICBM's. The Russians are developing a manoeuvring warhead for their SS-27's:


A mock-up of the planned design was delivered to Plesetsk in 1994. The system was to include a new manoeuvrable MIRV dispenser bus to defeat American anti-ballistic missile defences. In order to thwart and American boost-phase intercept, the Topol-M went through its main stage burns and dispensed its warheads in only a fraction of the ten minutes required for an R-36M liquid propellant rocket to accomplish the same task.

VNIIEF was responsible for design of the warheads and NPO Soyuz for the three single-nozzle solid rocket motors, using ammonium perchlorate oxidiser and synthetic rubber binder. A total of 142.8 billion roubles was budgeted to cover costs through the first test flight. The graphite composite details of the rocket and the container-launcher were designed by TsNII Spetsmash. The mobile transporter included a new microprocessor-controlled control system. The system was designed for a 15 year storage life, ready to launch in the silo


Interesting to say the least, if the Russians can actually pull it off, America's NMD will surely never work (it doesn't now anyways). If the Chinese and other states get this tech into their hands, it changes the balance of power yet again.

I think the most important tech. advance in the next century will be with ICBM's. The Russians are developing a manoeuvring warhead for their SS-27's:



Interesting to say the least, if the Russians can actually pull it off, America's NMD will surely never work (it doesn't now anyways). If the Chinese and other states get this tech into their hands, it changes the balance of power yet again.
I think that huge devastating attacks with cruise missiles are on the way out. Patriot systems are getting better and you would have to destroy them for the big missiles to be effective on the stronger countries.
I think the best invention for the military would be a perfect espionage device, one that could watch any person without them knowing that they were being watched. Then all enemies of the state would have to be very careful about what they were seen doing because they would have to assume they were being watched at all times. Surprise attacks would be impossible.

I agree, provided the next generation cruise missiles does not use stealth technology. In these type of scenarios, the party that has the latest technology may win. It is difficult to track with high precision and then communicate with the anti-missile assuming all the computation is done on a base, then if the opponent uses counter measures then it is who has the technology edge.....

Forget new nuclear weapons, hypersonic bombers, or cyber-warefare, supercavitating weapons will lead a brand new form of warefare in the next fifty years. Supercavitating weapons, or propulsion in water may in the near future allow submarines to travel some at well over 150 mph. Russia has a fairly unknown torpedio that travels at approximatly 230 mph, and is planning to sell them to France, Iran, China, and the Ukraine. To get a better overview on the whole subject, now that I've surely got you hooked click on this link:

http://www.sciam.com/2001/0501issue/0501ashley.html

For anyone intrested in the Navy, military weapons or combat in general this should hit the spot. Very exciting!:D

There are 2 things that will help more in the future. 1 of them is better intelligence gathering and the 2nd is better communication between governments to prevent a world war from ever happening.

More, better, Automated combat systems. Dead troops look bad on TV why not send a machine to do it?

I think that huge devastating attacks with cruise missiles are on the way out.

With ICBM's? I don't think so, what is going to replace it? What will provide as the deterrence? Obviously Bombers are not going to replace the missiles that were supposed to replace them in the first place. If anything more ICBM's will be built by the Chinese, and possibly India, and North Korea.

Patriot systems are getting better and you would have to destroy them for the big missiles to be effective on the stronger countries.

I think you are getting the wrong impression (are you?) ICBM's are multi-staged rockets. By the time of re-entry they are zooming by at Mach 18, no Patriot would ever destroy a warhead coming down. Patriots have a hard time destroying Scuds to this day. Russian missiles will easily thwart any American NMD anyways.

What about the up and coming systems? As weapons improve so do defenses. The was once a saying that the bomber always got through. Not many people saying that now? Radar was invented and flak improved and pretty soon those bombers came down. Same thing will happen with missles.

Watched CBS 60 minutes. It turns out that the Patriot missile does work - that is anything that flies overhead gets knocked down - friend or foe. A minor technical glitch. :D

The up and coming system is based on hypersonic missiles (Russia). Soon there will be particle weapons close to the speed of light. The one I like is to speed up pea size metal alloys at speeds of 30,000 mph to shoot down anything.

The same inventions that have been most important to warfare for centuries:
The next advancement in making mass propaganda more accessible and believable.

If you want to get real futuristic, imagine putting a geneticly modified food in some country's food supply, one that could be detected by some radiation detection system known only to the perpertitrator; then perhaps a pernicious frequency could be emitted which destroy all those who have injested this modified food.trictlu personnel-not property, the ideal spoils.

Work is probably underway in a basement somewhere to create a weapon of genocide - making the women infertile. That will dwindle down the population quietly.

The worst one is a modified flu virus -

Far future - time bombs, literally - that can accelarate 100 years in a matter of minutes in a small zone. But you never know, if it will wipe out the people in the zone or make them more advanced. Fun to speculate!

Nice thread necromancy, whoever resurrected this anarchronism. Sorry for the long post, but there's a lot going on in here.


how do you make the lasers ionize air?

It's very easy actually. All you need to do is project a beam with such a wavelength as to be easily absorbed by the gas, and with enough power to not be attenuated after traveling 100 meters or some other such menial distance. When the air absorbs enough of the beam's energy, the gas atoms lose their electrons and become a positively charged plasma. Because the plasma state is not one-dimensional throughout the beam path, it is more of a soup if ions in varying states of temperature.

A good example of how this works is in the directed energy research the US DARPA was working on during the 1980s as part of SDI. One of the ideas was to generate a very high powered pulse of electrons and launch it in a tightly-focussed beam at a distant target, through the atmosphere. We're talking pulses over 5 megawatts in under 1/100th of a second. When the accelerator would fire into the air, the charge would go in a random direction influenced by a multitude of chaotic elements such as temperature fluctuations, air viscousity, wind, and humidity - in a bright wad of ball lightning. Amazingly destructive, but also completely uncontrollable. What was needed was a means of producing a conductive path for the electrons to find favorable so that they would go where desired.

Enter the Nitrogen laser.

A Nitrogen laser produces a number of different wavelengths in its cavity, not the least of which is at 337 nanometers - deep into the short-wave UV spectrum. This wavelength is absorbed by the atmosphere very rapidly, being dissipated as heat. This heat would in turn create a plasma, which would result in a channel of ionized gas being drilled through the atmosphere. Because Nitrogen lasers are pulsed devices, a series of high powered pulses from one of them would blast a column of electrically conductive gas over a large distance. When the electron gun was aligned coaxially with the Nitrogen laser, everything fell into place.

The N2 laser would fire a few hundred times in under a second, blazing a path through the air composed of ionized gas. Immediately following this (and sometimes at the same time or close to it) the electron gun would fire. This time, rather than going wherever mother nature dictated, the electrons would follow the path of least resistance right down the laser beam to the target. Think of it as laser guidance of another flavor, if that helps. Keep in mind that the N2 laser is merely one of many lasers that could and has performed such a task, and I'm using it as an example not intended to be considered wholly exclusive.


For those of us who work in this field, we really do not want you to believe in it for a moment until we make it public.
Quoted for God's truth.


Re. Clancy's 'Hunt for Red October': the bit there was magneto-hydrodynamic propulsion. Best part for me was seeing a copy of 'Proceedings' on the Captain's desk in his stateroom.
You know, when I first saw that movie I was expecting it to really suck and be yet another time when Hollywood completely gaffed depicting all things military. The Proceedings issue was a nice touch of realism, I have to admit.


Re. the Kursk: It was the supercavitating torpedo that made a mess of the pride of Russian's submarine fleet (brand spanking new), two of them actually, and why they are going to recover the Kursk. They don't want to take a chance on us trying to do again what we tried to do about twenty or so years ago.
What's your source on this? It could've just as easily been any old fish. Russian torpedos, to the extent of my knowledge, have always been hypergolically fueled. Sort of like the USN/RN's OTTO II fuel, only much more volatile; producing hydrogen sulfide gas instead of nitrogen when combined with seawater. The AARs I can disclose all dealt with a fuel spill in the forward torpedo room leading to an explosion as the HS gas exploded. Being that she was at depth when the casualty occurred, it's not hard to see why the Kursk never came back up again. Otherwise she probably would've been fine. Those Oscar II hulls are damn near indestructible from an accident standpoint. They're the whole reason why we've got the Mk.48 ADCAP nowadays.


Interesting to say the least, if the Russians can actually pull it off, America's NMD will surely never work (it doesn't now anyways). If the Chinese and other states get this tech into their hands, it changes the balance of power yet again.

Except that, even with a fully functioning tiered NMD system in place, the Russian missile fleet would easily be able to saturate it. GBI NMD is only intended to have 20 interceptors when fully activated, and multiple interceptors would be allocated for each incoming threat. Conservatively, assuming a 50% engagement success rate per EKV, I'll say that it could probably handle a maximum of 3-4 missiles at one time. As you can see, that is only enough of a capability to mitigate a token threat from a rogue entity, not the entire strategic arsenal of a (vestigial) superpower.

MARVs are completely unnecessary to circumvent an ABM system. The Russians are just using the American NMD as a thread to upgrade weapons they would be upgrading regardless. Furthermore, the SS-27 has not shown itself to be MARV capable yet in test firings, so the jury's still out on whether or not it really is.

MARVs are completely unnecessary to circumvent an ABM system.

For Russia yes, for China no... With the whorish state of the Russian arms industry as of late. I would not be surprised if the Russians would compromise their security and give this very important tech to the Chinese.

Furthermore, the SS-27 has not shown itself to be MARV capable yet in test firings, so the jury's still out on whether or not it really is.

I haven't read anything to say otherwise, I have read that the Russians have tested it. Again we don't know the actual testing parameters so it's a pretentious at this stage to say anything.

I haven't read anything to say otherwise, I have read that the Russians have tested it.

They have, but not with a MARV in the PBV. It'd be pretty public if they did test it, too, given the level of scrutiny all nations of the nuclear club afford each other's respective tests.

Again we don't know the actual testing parameters so it's a pretentious at this stage to say anything.
Indeed.

While you all may be infatuated with the offensive aspect of military innovation at the moment, I think that you are also forgetting about military defense. I am not suggesting abolishment of offensive tactics, as I personally also prefer them, however, a country with an effective defense will be able to deflect/avoid attack without causing harm to others. Defense technology allows us to come to peaceful resolution in the absence of violence.
The first issue of defensive technology is stealth. Stealth and safety from direct human observation is easily obtained. Primarily because humans are chiefly dependant upon sight as their dectecting sense. And becoming invisible is not as far-fetched as you may think. Adaptive camouflage http://www.unusualresearch.com/drreno/adaptivecamouflage.htm is, more and more, becoming a reality. Unfortunate flaws include heat production, energy consumption and cost.
Now, a note on 'passive energy shielding'. Energy is defined as "the ability to cause matter to move". The Passive in 'passive energy shielding' implies that this energy is completely inert: impossible. ENERGY itself is always on a positive scale, as anything on a negative scale is considered endothermic. Passive energy is an oxymoron.
A more practical shielding technique would be, as I would put it, Electro-shielding. The surface to be shielded would be coated in a checkerboard-like fur coating. Every-other hair would be positively charged, while the others negative. If the hairs were firm enough, or the electric field perfectly balenced, a thin sheet of electricity would be projected between the hairs, visually turning the object into a ball of plasma. Any matter which attempted to pass through the field would be ionized (incinerated for vocabulairily-challenged [burnt for the stupid]) nearly-instantly. This would also yield offensive possibilities, as a trooper wearing a suit of this would be a million-degree, walking fireball. And, on a final note, the UV light given off by the spark-gap barrier would probably blind anyone looking at it whilst unprotected. The chief flaws of energy shielding are energy consumption and protection: if the barrier only superheated a particle, then the target would not be protected at all.... Rather than be shot by flying lead, they would be shot with molten ouch....
Most practical shielding methods would also work similarly, if viewed from a practical standpoint. An alternative, involving solid-state protecton would be to suspend a number of magnetic particles in a tight cloud around the user using (duh) magnets. One flaw with this system is that the user would also be blind. Not literally, but, well, human eyes cannot see matter through a cloud of solid iron. Also, a large number of these shields used in close proximity could interact with each other to create a very messy flak bomb. Not good. The magnetic field would also disturb all nearby transistor electronics and any magnetism-based navigational equipment.
Now, back on the topic of Offensive military technology. Some reading, both on the internet and in magazines has revealed to me that the Pentagon wishes to research non-lethal warfare technology, so toss your phasers and lasers out the window. (or at least the government would have us believe that...)
One such non-lethal military device in research right now is the so-called Pain-Beam. Causing less damage to the body than a sunburn, the pain-beam works by essentially cooking the body with microwaves. The frequency of the microwaves is such that it would not cook you like a steak, but would damage nerve tissue to the point of making your body feel as if it is burning.
Another Offensive military tactic that has been long in research is ELF: Extra-low-frequency modulations. More or less, these are radio or sound waves projected in such a manner that they are not detected consciously, but by the acclaimed "subconscious". They are not always used upon the enemy, but on allies as well. While they could be used to cause an enemy to reconsider an attack on 'friendly' soil, they could also be used to entice friendly civilians to join military forces. Unconscious propaganda. Scary.
The final topic which I will discuss is the matter of Human Nerve disruption. Currently, it looks like Trekkie technology. Impossible? Perhaps not. One example akin to nervous disruption that we can observe is in tesla Coils. A could, passed through a magnetic field, is induced with an electric current. Now, what do parts of the body use to communicate, aside from hormones. Everybody, say it with me...ELECTRICITY! So, if we were able to induce current into human nerves as we induce it into circutry, BAM! Insta-seizure. And I mean full-scale seizures! Just like an EMP grenade will destroy any semi-conductors in the blast radius, A nervous signal inductor would cause massive nervous disruption, probably either instantly killing or retarding the victim. Not exactly non-lethal....
Military technology is a very touchy discussion. On one side, you have humanists. "Don't hurt them! They're innocent" You know who I'm talking about. But then again, there are also the more agressive people. You know who you are. "Why are you sending troops into Iraq? NUKE THOSE SOB's!" Military technology would be an even more sensetive discussion if there was no propaganda and brain-washing though....

Great stuff d3u5_3x_m4ch1n4. I forgot this thread still going....

Peace. :)

Orbital Railguns Which would probaly exist late 21st century would be able to make a crater with a bit of tungsten the size of a pea by accelrating to over 21000kph.
That will cause a lot of hurt if it collides with the ground in a vertical fashion into a very large city e.g. beijing

Orbital Railguns Which would probaly exist late 21st century would be able to make a crater with a bit of tungsten the size of a pea by accelrating to over 21000kph.
That will cause a lot of hurt if it collides with the ground in a vertical fashion into a very large city e.g. beijing
You will have a hard time getting it down to sea level at that velocity.

Also, a few hundred grams of Tungsten won't do dick to anything like a city no matter what its velocity.

The crater in arizona was caused by a bit of rock that hit the ground at 14000kph(note speed is lower than the railgun) was less than half meter across of material less(note less) dense than tht of a tungsten bullet.
Also most of the tungsten would be left as it has a boiling point of 2300ish
when the temperature of the outside of a spaceshuttle which is much larger hits 1600C.

So this concludes that a tungsten bullet would cause a massive amount of damage at that god damn speed.

The railguns currently in development by scientists and civilians can achive speeds up to about 9 miles/second. The slug they fire is about the volume of a shot glass, but a bit longer. The railguns require 1,000,000 amps to fire and the rails are about 15 feet long. Current technology would only be useful if you wanted to snipe someone a few (hundred) miles away.
When I was 13, I thought about a concept: making a one-way glass cube with the reflective side facing in. If you could make one that was verry friggin effective, you could store nearly infinite amounts of light inside of it. Of course, the cube would have to be vacuum sealed AND the inside chemically polished to a microscopically perfect surface. BUT, if you made one and left it outside for a few...I dunno.... days, and then broke it open, the light would be so bright....about equal to that amount of time in the sun. The only problem would be that since that sort of perfection is impossible, and the imperfections would absorb the light's energy, and the bomb would eventually explode on its own if continually exposed to light.
I also thought about something that someone I know actually tried. A CD bomb. He collected a bunch of CD's and jammed a modified M80 in the middle. He was hiding behind a half-inch wooden fence and when it went off, a piece of shrapnel pierced the fence right by his ear.
The relevance of this is that today's shrapnels are FAR outdated. I think that we need to start focusing on different shrapnels for different things, EG. Powder for non-lethal dispatching, but needles for armored targets. The only shrapnels in today's arsenal are ball-bearings and lead flak. Although they will suffice for today's technology, we are eventually going to need better grenades (Electric napalm, anyone :D )

that's all for this post.undefined

Actually more and more of ships are planes developed in DARPA are being tested upon if they are actually not so susceptable to radar. Stealth is becoming more numerous nowadays. I have heard that people are developing a new kind of weapon, something revolutionary, but not to worry, I'll bet we wont see that until the dawn of the next war.

One thing you can count on is more chemical and biological weapons. Crippling diseases and deadly plagues. They're pretty stealthy (damn near invisible), and easy to sneak into a country.

I wonder if scientists and the military will ever implement bio-mechanical augmentation, similar to Deus Ex. Augmentations already exist, but they are Exo-Skeletal and bulky.......what we would need would be a non-toxic material that contracts when electrified. The material would be implanted beside, in or beneath muscle tissue. Since the body uses electricity to stimulate muscles, the more sensitive the material, the "stronger" the person would be. It would be a bonus if the material were hard, as it would also provide protection for the body.

I wonder if scientists and the military will ever implement bio-mechanical augmentation, similar to Deus Ex. Augmentations already exist, but they are Exo-Skeletal and bulky.......what we would need would be a non-toxic material that contracts when electrified. The material would be implanted beside, in or beneath muscle tissue. Since the body uses electricity to stimulate muscles, the more sensitive the material, the "stronger" the person would be. It would be a bonus if the material were hard, as it would also provide protection for the body.
You're talking about piezoelectrics. We already use them to guide artillery shells (see the US Army's Copperhead and US Navy's FASTHAWK).

Also, bio and chem weapons are both pretty useless tactically. All they're good for is creating a big unpredictable mess, which at best can be employed as an area denial weapon. There's not a lot of predictability to their behavior, which makes them difficult to work with from a military standpoint. Great terror weapons though, I suppose, if you're into that.

Hey, I found a site with lots of info on artificial muscle. Here it is:

http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/muscle/papers/memo1331/memo1331.html

Lots o math and algebra on there though...

RADAR could give way to other type of sensors to detect Stealth planes. A hyperspectral sensor array could do the trick.

Virally behaving programmable nano-bots, dump a vial out at a boarder - over the next few days everybody who fits their programmed target profile dies.

Dear Folks, I think Hydrogen-boron micro fusion may be the most important.
Below is a letter I recently recieved from Clint Seward of Electron Power Systems http://www.electronpowersystems.com .

The applications, across such a broad spectrum, deserve your attention. Delphi.....Wow!

"An independent consulting group in Washington,DC has just reviewed our
technology for the Office of the Secretary of Defense. They just sent me a
draft for comments, and I have included it below. It is based on their
having talked with our technology partners.

Since it is a full page of technical detail before the conclusion, I have
copied the conclusion here first so you get the idea of their review.

"MIT considers these plasmas a revolutionary breakthrough, with Delphi's
chief scientist and senior manager for advanced technology both agreeing
that EST/SPT physics are repeatable and theoretically explainable. MIT and
EPS have jointly authored numerous professional papers describing their
work. (Delphi is a $33B company, the spun off Delco Division of General
Motors).

Revolutionary Impact: High - reliable generation and acceleration of these
plasmas using compact mobile machinery could provide US forces with a unique
generic defense against ballistic and cruise missiles, manned and unmanned
aircraft, and kinetic-energy projectiles of all sizes, velocities and
compositions."

Please let me klnow what you think.

Clint


Technology Review of Electron Power Systems (by an independent consulting
group) for Office Of The Secretary Of Defense July 2004

Technology Title: Electron spiral toroids (EST) as kinetic-energy weapons
(KEWs)

Development Organization: Electron Power Systems, Inc., Acton, Mass.

Description: EPS teamed with MIT's Plasma Science and Fusion Center under an
STTR grant to develop a theoretical framework and laboratory methods for
reliably creating small (0.5-1.0 cm diameter) self-organized plasmas, called
"electron spiral toroids" (ESTs) or "spiral plasma toroids" (SPTs). EST
electrons travel in parallel orbits around a torus in densities sufficient
to create a stable, self-sustaining internal magnetic field. These novel
laboratory-level plasmas, whose physics resembles that of ball lightning,
are unusual in that they remain stable in partial atmospheres without
requiring external magnetic fields for their containment, yet can also be
accelerated in a directed fashion to potentially very high velocities (e.g.,
600 km/sec) and kinetic energies. Parallel work on formation and magnetic
acceleration of "compact toroids" is also underway at DoE's Livermore lab
and at Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL) at Kirtland AFB, NM, although
these plasmas - which can only exist in vacuum - require large (multi-meter
long) machinery that uses magnetic field pressures associated with "Tokamak"
fusion reactors to create large-diameter (0.5-1.0 meter) plasmas, which must
then be greatly reduced in diameter and volume to be useful. By contrast,
EPS uses much smaller, cheaper hardware to repeatably generate
high-ion-density plasmas that have remained stable in air for up to 0.6
seconds at 1-Torr atmospheric pressures. The EPS/MIT work has drawn interest
from MDA and DTRA for DEW/KEW applications and from Delphi Corporation, a
major automotive electronics firm, which envisions an automotive mini-fusion
reactor that would collide two small toroids generated by 1-meter-long
"neutron tubes" and capture the heat from their collision.

Potential Operational Payoff: used as KEWs, even a tiny (microscopic-scale)
EST would generate enough kinetic energy to destroy any military vehicle or
projectile operating in the atmosphere, including solid-rod anti-armor
penetrators. These charge-neutral plasmas would be produced in large numbers
in rapid succession to form a steerable beam. Impact velocities of 600
km/sec, possibly several times higher, may be possible, based on MIT's
extrapolation of AFRL's compact-toroid acceleration experiments for vacuum.

Metrics:
- Effects: target destruction by kinetic impacts far above hyper velocities
(defined by the speed of sound in metal and nonmetal targets)
- Speed: up to 600 km/sec (MIT estimate), possibly up to 2000 km/sec (EPS
estimate)
- Range: endoatmospheric line-of-sight up to space/atmosphere boundary
(officially defined as 62 miles)
- Power requirements: EPS proposes using EST mini-fusion reactors, whose
initial power could be provided by a car battery, to produce and accelerate
its ESTs.

Cost: no cost data available. The complexity of reliable mini-toroid
formation and acceleration with compact, relatively low-cost equipment
remains to be determined. Yet the fact that the EPS/MIT STTR work this
technology has attracted interest from Delphi is very significant, as the
automotive electronics industry is considered to be extremely demanding of
functionality per dollar and pound (e.g., mil-spec performance at
Wal-Mart-class 'commodity' prices).

Estimated Development Funding, FY 2005-2011 (combined KEW, mini-reactor)
- appr. $2M so far (Army Research Office, NASA SBIR, NASA-IAC (Institute for
Advanced Concepts) grant, BMDO STTR for $1M). EPS estimate: over FY
2005-2009, would need $0.5-$1.0M/yr (not including funding for MIT support),
but with a Phase 1 and 2 SBIR, could achieve a lab demonstration (TRL 4-5)
within 2.5-3 years of a proof-of-principle device that hits targets with
visible kinetic damage. Industrial co-funding from strategic partners
(agreements with Raytheon, Delphi (formerly GM Delco) and Titan Pulse Power)
could accelerate this.
-MIT estimate: with adequate staff and facilities funding ("at least
$2-$5M/year"), could demonstrate basic physics within 2 years, followed by
development of an integratable engineering package.

TRL 3-4. MIT considers these plasmas a revolutionary breakthrough, with
Delphi's chief scientist and senior manager for advanced technology both
agreeing that EST/SPT physics are repeatable and theoretically explainable.
MIT and EPS have jointly authored numerous professional papers describing
their work.

Revolutionary Impact: High - reliable generation and acceleration of these
plasmas using compact mobile machinery could provide US forces with a unique
generic defense against ballistic and cruise missiles, manned and unmanned
aircraft, and kinetic-energy projectiles of all sizes, velocities and
compositions."


After reviewing your postings I thought you may be interested.

Thanks for your attention

Erich J. Knight
Shenandoah Gardens
1047 Dave Berry Rd. McGaheysville, VA, 22840
(540) 289-9750

The next great invention for combat will be cloned soliders that have no fear, and live to kill others. They will have 3 setttings (disable, defend and hunt.) WOn't the US army be happen then?

This is only my 3rd post but if you want to know my theory of a future weapon then here goes.

They are playing around with rail guns mounted on battle ships to hit targets like 600 miles away(I think). To hit said target they shoot a tungsten projectile with some onboard guidance out of earth’s atmosphere and have it guided into the target by satellite(because they are not real accurate).

Why not just make your rail gun bigger/more powerful, station the gun within the US and fire projectiles into low orbit in order to strike anyplace on the planet from the comfort of some place like NORAD

there is another version about Kursk.
there were 2 american submarines that spied on Kursk. One of them came to close to it and there was collision with Kursk. Second submarine recieved a signal about attack from dameged one and fire 2 torpedos at Kursk. you ask me why they cut off a head part of Kursk??? cause there are traces from that 2 torpedos.

well the future will hold rail and coil guns, emp weapons, nanoweapons, active camoflage, and bio/viral weapons.

I am designing an energy weapon for military now (no bullets), but looking for a high capacity battery until we come up a small fuel cell to power the unit.

Leaving some humanity left will be the answer... and a true miracle

The most effective millitary weapon would be the one which prevents the conflict in the first place, a good negotiator. Cheap, effective, and available in large numbers.

I am designing an energy weapon for military now (no bullets), but looking for a high capacity battery until we come up a small fuel cell to power the unit.

To get biggest kick the quickest use one of Beacon Power's flywheels http://www.beaconpower.com/

Cheers,
erich