I'm just going to throw this question at you dogs and see who gets ripped apart! Kidding... this is a question that really interests me at the moment. If perfect love did (or could) exist, what would it look like (so people would be able to recognise it - my first criterium)?

I want to break all preconceptions and cliches on this one. If you say 'unconditional', then please provide a how and why, etc.

For starters, I think that love should be visible. What good is saying it if you don't act it?

Love is love, either you love someone or you don't. All this "perfect" and "unconditional" crap and other bollocks words people like to attach to it are just for selling new age idiot books.

Well said.

Provided that you know what love is. How do you show love to someone who doesn't know how to recognise it? I mean. You can tell someone you love them, but they won't believe you.

Remember I want to know what an ideal love would look like. It will be more than just a static state.

If what you say is absolute, then there would be no divorces. Because people aren't perfect, love can't be perfect. I'm looking for a hypothetical ideal - you must at least have something in mind when you use the word love.

Love is love, either you love someone or you don't.

I agree, in that if there are strings attached, it isn't love.

Love is a primary. Love is when you care about someone more than you care about yourself. It goes beyond that, too, but I think that that's at least real evidence that you love someone.

And if someone gives you Pez, you know they love you.

What would perfect love consist of?

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7. My Girlfriend's Girlfriend by Type O Negative

It's no secret we're close
As sweaty velcro
Like latex, fur and feathers
Stuck together
Now

In their '62 'vette
Sharing one cigarette
In a black light trance then
Go go dance
Then
Go go trance
Then

They keep me warm on cold nights
We must be quite a sight
In our meat triangle
All tangled
Wow

My girlfriend's girlfriend
She looks like you
My girlfriend's girlfriend
She's my girl too

Her and me an her and she and me
An uncrowded couple are we three
Hey we don't care what people say
When walking hand in hand down Kings Highway
Two for one today

My girlfriend's girlfriend
She looks like you
My girlfriend's girlfriend
She's my girl

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Peace. :cool:

Perfect love is when nothing blocks the good intention of the soul in its manifestation in the mental-emotional consciousness.

easy

bebelina & spookz

Perfect love is when nothing blocks the good intention of the soul in its manifestation in the mental- emotional consciousness.

Perfect love is love even when something blocks the good intention of the soul. Even souls with good intentions will have to deal with bad karma sometimes. Will love last if it can't prove itself? Will it be so believable?

I think you are confusing the personality with the soul. Because regardless of karma, the souls intentions are always good. It is in times when the pathway between the soul and the personality is blocked by negative interpretations of the intentions that love is perceived with scepticism. Love is always perfect in itself, in its pure form of energy, but when it is being experienced by humans and through all the human qualities it can appear to lose its validity, but that is just a result of the fearful interpretation of the personality that lacks the courage to fully trust the good intention of the soul.
Love beteween human beings are in its most perfect form when all this is taken into consideration, accepted and fully embraced as part of the experience of love.

But what does that mean in practice? Surely it doesn't mean doing nothing and letting things take its own course? Unfortunately, souls have to put up with personality and resistance all the time.

In practice it means to reach a state of perfection by realizing and accepting its imperfection. The only thing you can improve is your own perception and that does not mean doing nothing, quite the contrary, it can be hard work letting go of all illusions of what love should be and how others are supposed to act toward you to insure you of their love.
Resistance is fear, remember that.
Then there are of course a million ways of expressing and experiencing love as an individual, as a couple and as a group. What is perceived as perfect is up to the one who makes the definition to decide.
Do whatever you feel is right in your soul to reach the love that is perfect for you. You can't force another person to come to the same conclusion of what you see as perfect though. Often it is in the respectful and humble interaction between two lovers that love will reach its most creative and to me seeminlgy perfect form. Constantly developing and finding new ways of expression, the evolutionaty energy as emotion to serve the evolution of the soul as experienced through the personality.

Blah blah blah.

Booze. Lots and lots of booze. Oh, and sex. Like duh. And I'm with Walker, if someone gives you Pez, it DEFINITELY means they love you.


Do whatever you feel is right in your soul to reach the love that is perfect for you.

I feel like walking down Main Street with a semi-automatic, picking off SUV drivers. Will that help me reach the love that is perfect for me?

Want some Pez?

Pez works too.

Perfect love consists of a few things. An absolutely beautiful princess and a studly handsome and muscular warrior in a D&D type of realm. There is love in first sight. The princess is captured by evil sorcerer. The warrior eventually slayed an entire army and a few dragons by himself to rescue the princess.

However, in a mundane world, I don't believe anything can be perfect.

When you have a sh!tty day at the office, your boss decides to kick you around because he can't pull a root, you miss your train home, it starts to pour with rain when you get outside, you put some money in the chip machine and no chips come out, you bump your head on the door knob but when you get home, whats waiting for you is what they called perfect love. Everythinh else is just sex and booze and quite possibly pez.

Well said!:)

I believe true, unconditional love exists, but I'd call it blind love. Ever seen a woman who can't stop loving the husband that beats her and the kids? I say question your love for them everyday, and definately make it conditional...

Originally posted by Adam
Love is love, either you love someone or you don't.
You say it's simple, black and white.

But is that the reality of it?

What would perfect love consist of?
Perfect hate.
It is a nice smart-ass answer.. :rolleyes:

Perfect love comes when you find a nice icepick and have your partner drive it through an eye with a hammer, then wiggle the icepick around until they seriously destroy your neocortex.
Then have them feed you a tab of E every 10 hours.

That's perfect love. Believe me, you'll love every asshole on this planet if you find someone willing to do this for you. :)

"The urge towards love, pushed to its limit, is an urge towards death"
--The Marquis de Sade

Eh?
Now.. put down the icepick Xev.. :) Nice and easy.. :)

Anyways back OnT..
Perfect love couldn't exist.. Since love is only an illusion in the first place.
Therefore, I would give an example of Perfect Hate: Somebody sees you and would do anything to destroy you. Even sacrifice themselves, just so they destroy you. Now that is true perfect love in my eyes!

I think this might be useful, I was typing something else but i lost it. And it was too long to retype. but I can commit further on my logos of desire. which could lead to "perfect love".

Eros: My Defined Opinion
We have studied something of the logos of desire, love, and eros in Barrico's novel Silk, but what is my own experience of this logos? Do I experience a difference between desire and love? If so what is it that I experience? What are the other dynamics of desire, love and eros that are not connected to another human being or are just "appreciation"? good questions
Human beings such as I are a contradiction to our own worlds that we have created. They seem to be related in the sense we know what desire, love or eros is but to explain or fully understand the totality of those three, we are often lost or vague to articulate those terms which makes us alien to each other Georges Bataille expresses this in The Accursed Share Vol. 2 & 3. I used to consider that a naked women is undoubtedly the most erotic desire, but as I learn more about humanity and my individual self, nudity at one time had no particular significance. It is through discourse we learn that the cultural particularities are only superficial. We as humans, used to be asleep or unconscious like an "animal" or creature of nature. We have moved far from that of nature. We created sovereignties to collectively function, we have lost all our animal roots and most are unable to re-grasp those roots that we lost. I think because of this loss of our unconscious the Freud's "id" or "Jausance" has developed a deep oppression that is sometimes released in special circumstances. On these special circumstances that are subjective to the individual are uncontrollable and over powering. Forcing the individual into a state of a sort of unconsciousness, often temporary. I think we see what is so beautiful about "Love" but at the same time we are terrified and overwhelmed by the emotional upraise or sublimate of Eros. The power of emotional or unconsciousness is part of the mind which is also sublime because of its comprehension of what is sublime. I have had some situations in life that have over take me, placing me in a state of uncontrollable, "Awe". I presuppose that love can do the same thing to others, like Aphrodite being not just the want of man, but being the absolute uncontrollable desire by man. She creates an absolute erotic need by men. I think we can't leave all control behind since it is too animalistic and nature like which is too overwhelming for us to leave.
Passion and desire can be sexual but also felt without being sexual in both having control and not having control. In the film "Pushing Tin" we have two men standing on a landing strip, the actor Billy Bob Thornton tells actor John Cusack, "It's a 747 coming at you, you can wiggle your ears and clap your Tinkerbelle it wouldn't make a lick of difference". They are flung uncontrollably off the ground by the jetlag of a landing plane. They lay battered and bruised, John thanks Billy and they laugh in a feeling of incredible fleeting joy or erotic pleaser. At this moment they appear to be in touch with something that had been released or lost some sort of part of themselves in that experience but at the same time gained a new grasp on reality that John did not have before. I think we can hold the same desire for losing our grasp on control or in turn gaining more control. Many people do extreme sports that are life threatening. What would compel an individual to undertake such activities, unless they had some sort of passion or passivity to them. Georges Bataille The Accursed Share (Pg 141,142) "The essence of loss is this intense consumption that exerts a dangerous fascination, that prefigures death and finally attracts more and more." The Bacchae supposes that Eros is violence from constraint, a "dangerous fascination". I understand that the build up of the unconscious could lead to a transgression to my animal or nature self. This would not occur if there was not some sort of oppressive force to create a build up that could explode.
The tension between the two worlds of Freedom(irrational) and Constraint(rational) could provide for each other. A sovereign collective would use a pressure release to maintain it's sovereign order, a such example is "The Carnival". I learned this lesson from the death of the King in the Bacchae, by allowing the relief or transgression from rationality, authority and rule we maintain a balance between those two worlds.
The dead object or "dead point" of an outburst of passion, Georges Bataille explains my feelings towards passion and desire more accurately. On page 143 "It is necessary... that an individual be regarded as a thing if desire is to compose the figure that corresponds to it. This is an essential element of eroticism, and not only must the figure have been passive in order to have received this or that form and to have been associated with particular objects, but passivity is in itself a response to desire's insistence." The object or thing becomes a dead point, no longer living for itself or for its own desires, but for the other's(subject). We have two worlds the subject or living who lives to its own end, and the static figure, or dead object that is separate from the regular world. We have to break what is regular to become unconscious rather then conscious to find that desired object (static or dead object). This brings me back to The Bacchae with the intoxicating world of Dionysius that creates a dimmer on the consciousness or regular world freeing the individual from the symbolic.
The Divine love I have learned was far from erotic or eros in any form. I was raised in Baptist, Reformed Church, and Pentecostal. The closest to the ritualistic or a reaching of desire for God was the Pentecostal Church. In the Pentecostal Church we danced with the music and opened ourselves to the object or "God". They even spoke in tongues of unfamiliar languages which is an example of the Dionysius ritual of the God entering the body of the individual creating a moment of "Eros". There wasn't any encounter with horror, anguish or death like that Bataille expresses in the chapter of "From the "Song of Songs" to the formless and Modeless God of the Great Mystics". I like to consider that God is the object of my desire just like anything that I find erotic. I am the living subject and God is the static object. God is the being that is to fulfil my desires and to be the means to my end. I agree with Bataille that we have lost touch with the experience of God that is only kept alive through sacrifice. I think the passion for God or the divine should be more then a feeling of Agape or Philia, but of immense Eros.
I think Eros "love of the body" is passionate love, with sensual desire and need, it holds a different level of desire then Agape, Philia, Storage and Xenia. explain?.
Agape means love in Greek. There are still gray sections that I find tough to determine between those Greek words for love. The word agapoé is the verb I love, often refers to a "pure," ideal type of love, rather than the physical attraction suggested by eros, on the other hand, there are some examples of agape used to mean the same as eros. It has also been translated as being the "love of the soul."
The Greek word erota means in love. Most experience with eros is initially felt for a person, with contemplation it becomes a gratification of the beauty within that individual or "object", or even becomes admiration of beauty itself. Eros helps the spirit or soul recall knowledge of beauty and contributes to an understanding of spiritual truth. Lovers and philosophers are all inspired to seek truth by eros.
Philia a dispassionate virtuous love, was a concept developed by Aristotle. It includes loyalty to friends, family, and community, and requires virtue, equality, and familiarity. Philia is motivated by practical reasons; one or both of the parties benefit from the relationship. It can also mean "love of the mind."
Storge is natural affection, like that felt by parents for offspring. This is expressed in "The Bonds of Love" pg 4-29. The love they experience is almost instant. Even though their union is also determined on the Mothers emotional state. This is a love that is almost agape "unconditional pure love". At the same time it could be erotic to the mother to desire that child as her own since it has not yet woken to the world of consciousness. The mother is the subject and the child is the object of desire by the mother.
Xenia, hospitality, was an extremely important practice in Ancient Greece. It was an almost ritualized friendship formed between a host and his guest, who could previously have been strangers. The host fed and provided quarters for the guest, who was expected to repay only with gratitude. The importance of this can be seen throughout Greek mythology—in particular, Homer's Iliad and Odyssey. This form of love was very much sort of a honour ritual. Often practiced because they feared that the guest could be a God in disguise. This also ties into the agape form of love but I am not sure if it ties into being Eros. The guest uses the goods and sources of the host, consuming his resources. The fact that the host honours and fears the divine is the possible gratitude he feels for the Gods.
I can't deny the fact there are different worlds between Love and Desire but there are of course some communality connecting them together. I have noticed that love, eros and desire all have in common is the consumption of all the resources of the individual being. This is different to the desire we have to eat, cause we want to be filled, it is actually the opposite. We want to lose our own identity to the desires, love and eros.

Love is a way of interacting in a caring way with other people.

Unconditional just means you don't predicate your caring on the other person's performance. An example would be parents who continue to care for their children even after they screw up.

Perfect is just marketing hype.

I agree there is no such thing as perfect. But that answer is just another way to close a statement. Like saying two things are completely different.therefore there is no point in explaining them any further. Same for the other way around. There is nothing absolute, until it happens. The only thing I do know is a triangle is a triangle no matter where you are. Cause we all have been taught a 3 sided figure is a triangle. There must be a theory that comes close to a idea of love or perfect love that everyone can relate to. And I don't think it can be shorter then 2000 words. But I like to see someone come up with a well thought out answer. And maybe I will give my own. Anyways. I am off to work. In my mundane world. Ciao

Perfect love is when nothing blocks the good intention of the soul in its manifestation in the mental-emotional consciousness.



agreed

and Action(s)

Perfect love does not exist.
It is empty, unfufilling, an illusion that sucks men and women into a world that seem vibrant and happy, but is in fact, a dream, gone in the midst of the night.


Also, Love never got anyone anywhere.

stop talking about love dammit!! you all make me want it

stop talking about love dammit!! you all make me want it

What you will want is an illusion.

What you will want is an illusion.

Delusion :D

@thinking: Nice thread necromancy..

i think that perfect love and communion go hand in hand. a complete sharing of oneself in absolute truth, coupled with a complete acceptance. there is something within us that hinders this sharing and true love at this time, but i don't think that hinderance will remain forever, and i believe that without it, we will experience perfect love. i believe that to be the idea that is represented in the bible. the purpose of christ being a way to remove that hinderance and restore communion amongst us and with the universe. we would all instinctively and inherently act in accordance with the greater good. no slavery needed, no lies, no oppression, but complete freedom to be exactly who you are and to be appreciated.

Love lasts 1.5-3 years.



May Amaterasu guide ur way,he paid for ur sins.

The word love has no true meaning. Considering that some languages have 8 different ways to say love. It makes the meaning of the word weak in the English language since Love only has one meaning. Unless you can expand on it's affiliations. We all agree that love is something superficial, or beyond true understanding. I do not agree that it is a "Jesus" thing, but it is somewhat super natural. It is the Oceanic feeling.
* Oceanic feeling is a term used by Sigmund Freud in his book The Future of An Illusion to criticize the psychological feeling of religion.
* Oceanic Feeling is The Prayer Boat's first full-length album, released in 1991 on BMG/RCA records.
Save you from looking up the word.
Anyways, it is applied to the moment that over takes you. Most experience it as hot lust (sex). or some other relations. But I think the can take part in this feeling through and with other people. Look at what happens at a concert, it could be the worst band ever for one person, but he will loss himself in the actions of the other people. Jumping and screaming...etc.

What kind of love are we talking about here? Relationships with couples? Friends? Family? Or are we trying to cover all spectrums with one answer?:shrug:

I'm just going to throw this question at you dogs and see who gets ripped apart! Kidding...

No, no "kidding".

You called us dogs.

Shame on you.

buttsex

Obviously it's the ability to accept someone the way they are, despite their flaws, and yet to still want them for life and to be closer to them than anyone. This is conditional on the fact that they don't substantially hurt you and damage the relationship.

This of course is called realism, and sticking with the theme of realism too many people are far too selfish to make such a thing work. Also thanks to hallmark and hollywood people are too busy looking for greener grass to realise when they have someone.
Continuing with that thought, I suggest you're better looking for someone attractive, wealthy, and good in bed, who doesn't make you want to smash their face with a hammer.

I'm just going to throw this question at you dogs and see who gets ripped apart! Kidding... this is a question that really interests me at the moment. If perfect love did (or could) exist, what would it look like (so people would be able to recognise it - my first criterium)?

I want to break all preconceptions and cliches on this one. If you say 'unconditional', then please provide a how and why, etc.

For starters, I think that love should be visible. What good is saying it if you don't act it?

You're grammar is nonsensical, and yet you want to know what love "consists" of? Read the what the Bible has to say about love.

You're grammar is nonsensical

:roflmao:

Pot. Meet kettle.
Come back when you've passed English exams.

I think love is an action word . To show love by actions . You can kick the word around like a tin can and it has no meaning . When you do things like the dishes or cook your spouse dinner when her feet are hurting , then rub her feet for her while she is eating you are showing love . If you tell her " I don't give a shit get your ass in the kitchen and fix Me a steak. I don't have any underwear either bitch , but I do love you , Fucking cunt . Well that is not being very loving even with the I love you coming out of your Fucked up mouth. Love is an action in my book and if you don't believe that look at all the divorces in society. Somebody is not showing love

If you tell her " I don't give a shit get your ass in the kitchen and fix Me a steak. I don't have any underwear either bitch , but I do love you , Fucking cunt . Well that is not being very loving......

A controversial viewpoint, but maybe you're right.
Perhaps we men shouldn't act that way.

What would perfect love consist of?
Suicide because of love!
Is this the perfect love or the opposite?

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7. My Girlfriend's Girlfriend by Type O Negative

It's no secret we're close
As sweaty velcro
Like latex, fur and feathers
Stuck together
Now

In their '62 'vette
Sharing one cigarette
In a black light trance then
Go go dance
Then
Go go trance
Then

They keep me warm on cold nights
We must be quite a sight
In our meat triangle
All tangled
Wow

My girlfriend's girlfriend
She looks like you
My girlfriend's girlfriend
She's my girl too

Her and me an her and she and me
An uncrowded couple are we three
Hey we don't care what people say
When walking hand in hand down Kings Highway
Two for one today

My girlfriend's girlfriend
She looks like you
My girlfriend's girlfriend
She's my girl

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Peace. :cool:

Nice poem! Love it!

I think this might be useful, I was typing something else but i lost it. And it was too long to retype. but I can commit further on my logos of desire. which could lead to "perfect love".

Eros: My Defined Opinion
We have studied something of the logos of desire, love, and eros in Barrico's ...se our own identity to the desires, love and eros.

If only you could say that in a simple sentence or two. People might even read it. :D :shrug:

A controversial viewpoint, but maybe you're right.
Perhaps we men shouldn't act that way.

Either that or not wear underwear.

When you are ordering your bitch to cook a steak, you should at least wear a string vest.

One thing: self-sacrifice for both parties.

One thing: self-sacrifice for both parties.

Even if it were perfect? :shrug:

"The Gift of the Magi" says that best:

http://www.enotes.com/gift-magi-text/the-gift-of-the-magi

You're grammar is nonsensical, and yet you want to know what love "consists" of? Read the what the Bible has to say about love.

Did you get "you are" grammar from the bible too?

This is rich. I love watching Christians do contortions and back-flips to pretend their ideology is still somehow relevant.

Call it schadenfreude. . .

~String

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M*W: Love conquers all fears. It gives you the strength to be true to yourself and others. Love replaces doubt. Love frees the soul.

This is still going? How long has it been now?

Did I miss anything?

Love as we experience it in this 3d reality is understood as a feeling or emotion or even a state of mind. Perfect love is an all inclusive existance which cannot be understood or seen in our current reality. Perfect love does not drive out fear simply because fear cannot coexist with perfect love. It is a lone wolf. Perfect love can only exist with and create itself......so the physical plane we are trapped in is only a reality within the confines of our mind where our ego presents it to us as reality. Where there is duality, perfect love is merely a lost puzzle piece that we know is missing but cannot find. Theres only one place where perfect love can create fear and duality is a reality and that place is in the book of contradictions aka the bible. So simply put, you cannot mistake real for fake. It is an existance which you wont find on earth.

Reevaluation . You all don't want to know . It is scary . I don't know if you all can handle the truth about love . It is by no means what you think . Imperfect love is a better description. I am so surprised at what makes different folks feel love . Stomping ants and shit like that you don't typically think of as invoking feelings of love , but you know it is true . Different strokes . Different folks
Identification with another pain is big when making someone feel loved . It induces tight bonds in a relationship . The thing is it may discus one of the parties involved while the other gets there love joy on .
with True love you better put on your iron stomach cause you gonna need it when you all find out what makes people feel truly loved . Watching you stomp dead babies may be on the menu.

Love as we experience it in this 3d reality is understood as a feeling or emotion or even a state of mind. Perfect love is an all inclusive existance which cannot be understood or seen in our current reality. Perfect love does not drive out fear simply because fear cannot coexist with perfect love. It is a lone wolf. Perfect love can only exist with and create itself......so the physical plane we are trapped in is only a reality within the confines of our mind where our ego presents it to us as reality. Where there is duality, perfect love is merely a lost puzzle piece that we know is missing but cannot find. Theres only one place where perfect love can create fear and duality is a reality and that place is in the book of contradictions aka the bible. So simply put, you cannot mistake real for fake. It is an existance which you wont find on earth.

All bull shit and the bible is all about getting the sex . The Bible is one of the most hard core erotic sex books ever written . Sexual tension abounds in that book .
Your analysis is bull shit . Fear lives with love . It is the excitement that creates the fear . Anticipation of love creates the fear .
It lives on earth . Love lives on earth . When love walks in the room everybody takes notice too . They draw to it so they can get some relief