I agree with the idea the people should be accountable for themselves, however, if the shit were to hit the fan and I had NOTHING to live on, I'd want help from my government.

I hear too many people saying "They should have left, they knew the hurricane was a' comin! Phuck 'em, why should the government help them?"

What the fuck is the government there for in the first place? To help themselves? Take my tax dollars and start wars? Give it the rich while the poor get poorer?

All you who've said that the government shouldn't be helping the poor and needy, those left with no homes - what is the reason for government in the first place if not to help it's needy? You seem to have no frickin problem with some billionaire getting welfare. Why not the small fry? [Youse sheep have been hypnotize by the corporate media! Brains so fucked up you think the rich should have more money while people starve to death in the streets!]

Wow, six thousand years of reality just slugged you right in the face, huh?

Government is there mainly as a framework that society can be built around. It keeps things stable enough to keep chaos from reigning supreme and to allow things like free trade and the like. It also takes care of things that corperations and private citizens don't have the resources to do on a large scale, like keep up national infrastructure and a standing military.

Do you really think any other country could have taken this hurricane better? If it slammed into Europe, whole nations would be broken and twisted ruins that would take decades to rebuild. Europe is just lucky it gets some of the planet's most mild weather.

If you want to know what governments are for ....begin small and work your way up.

In a one-man cave, is there any government? If so, what? And is it needed?

In a two-man cave, is there any government? If so, what? And is it needed?

In a family of husband, wife and two children, is there any government? If so, what? And is it needed?

In a tribe of ten families, is there any government? If so, what? And is it needed?

Keep going like that until you've figured it out to YOUR satisfaction.

Personally, I think governments should pay us all just to live, breathe, eat and play! We shouldn't be responsible for any of our actions and the government should give us everything that we want ...regardless of what it costs or how difficult it is to obtain! :)

Baron Max

Personally, I think governments should pay us all just to live, breathe, eat and play! We shouldn't be responsible for any of our actions and the government should give us everything that we want ...regardless of what it costs or how difficult it is to obtain! :)
If you can net us enough slave labor, its quite possible.

Government is there mainly as a framework that society can be built around. What textbooks are they feeding you children nowadays? Are you serious? It's the exact opposite. Government is there, according to the constitution, to represent society. Ever heard of "By the People, For the People?" To do the jobs that society wants it to do. Not "as a framework that society can be built around." Get a clue.

Read the Declaration of Independence it provides the best example of the purpose of government; too bad most fail to grasp its concept!!!








I agree with the idea the people should be accountable for themselves, however, if the shit were to hit the fan and I had NOTHING to live on, I'd want help from my government.

I hear too many people saying "They should have left, they knew the hurricane was a' comin! Phuck 'em, why should the government help them?"

What the fuck is the government there for in the first place? To help themselves? Take my tax dollars and start wars? Give it the rich while the poor get poorer?

All you who've said that the government shouldn't be helping the poor and needy, those left with no homes - what is the reason for government in the first place if not to help it's needy? You seem to have no frickin problem with some billionaire getting welfare. Why not the small fry? [Youse sheep have been hypnotize by the corporate media! Brains so fucked up you think the rich should have more money while people starve to death in the streets!]

The Constitution of the Russian Federation

Ratified
December 12, 1993


Preamble
We, the multinational people of the Russian Federation, united by a common destiny on our land, asserting human rights and liberties, civil peace and accord, preserving the historic unity of the state, proceeding from the commonly recognized principles of equality and self-determination of the peoples honoring the memory of our ancestors, who have passed on to us love of and respect for our homeland and faith in good and justice, reviving the sovereign statehood of Russia and asserting its immutable democratic foundations, striving to secure the wellbeing and prosperity of Russia and proceeding from a sense of responsibility for our homeland before the present and future generations, and being aware of ourselves as part of the world community, hereby approve the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

SECTION ONE
Chapter 1. The Fundamentals of the Constitutional System
Chapter 2. The Rights and Liberties of Man and Citizen
Chapter 3. The Russian Federation
Chapter 4. The President of the Russian Federation
Chapter 5. The Federal Assembly
Chapter 6. The Government of the Russian Federation
Chapter 7. The Judiciary
Chapter 8. Local Self-Government
Chapter 9. Constitutional Amendments and Revisions
SECTION TWO
Concluding and Transitional Provisions

jesus, that was almost a thread killer CT.

What textbooks are they feeding you children nowadays? Are you serious? It's the exact opposite. Government is there, according to the constitution, to represent society. Ever heard of "By the People, For the People?" To do the jobs that society wants it to do. Not "as a framework that society can be built around." Get a clue.
Firstly, a government for the purpose of representing the society was pretty rare until the American Revolution. Monarchies, dictatorships, and most other forms have society existing purely for the purpose of serving the leaders in their every whim. Representative democracies represent the people in addition to, not to the exclusion of, being a framework for society to build up from.

Government must exist for people in any sizeable number to be able to live and work together. Even if you break down nations, every village will have its elder and every tribe its chieftan. Things tend to split into lots of gangs or local warlords to fill the power vacuum but it is always filled. There is just usually one hell of a lot of chaos while things work themselves out, usually ranging between months and decades.

And cosmictraveler: You have been here more than long enough to know that you should post a link and not the entire effing document.

And cosmictraveler: You have been here more than long enough to know that you should post a link and not the entire effing document.

Finally, a little passion.

If you want to know what governments are for ....begin small and work your way up.

In a one-man cave, is there any government? If so, what? And is it needed?

In a two-man cave, is there any government? If so, what? And is it needed?

In a family of husband, wife and two children, is there any government? If so, what? And is it needed?

In a tribe of ten families, is there any government? If so, what? And is it needed?

Keep going like that until you've figured it out to YOUR satisfaction.
Good point.


Personally, I think governments should pay us all just to live, breathe, eat and play! We shouldn't be responsible for any of our actions and the government should give us everything that we want ...regardless of what it costs or how difficult it is to obtain! :)
Lazy bum!

Yaba Daba :m:

The government should be taken down, dismantled, dissolved, and new one put in it's place. Our democracy has failed us.
As the good song goes:
"Fuck the Po-lice! Fuck the po-lice!"

It should now be clear that those that stayed behind had neither the means nor the inclination to take care of themselves. They have been lead down the welfare/socialism path for decades by the liberal left. When it came time to save their own lives and the lives of their families, they were incapable. They simply waited and waited for "someone" to help them just as they have all their lives. It is clear evidence that capitalism, free enterprise, ownership of property and the desire to take personal responsibility for ones actions is what enabled others to save themselves.
You reap what your sow, and this Country has allowed the liberal left to sow the seeds of self destruction in our inner cities and among the poor.

Our democracy has failed us.

No, democracy didn't fail anyone ....we failed to make democracy work.

As to the "police chant" ....next time you need some help, call a hippie or a ghetto pimp to help you and see how much you get!

Baron Max

Good post, Giskard .....I hope many read it and think about it seriously. But I'm afraid that the very things you said is the reason that most won't read it OR take it seriously.

Baron Max

It should now be clear that those that stayed behind had neither the means nor the inclination to take care of themselves. They have been lead down the welfare/socialism path for decades by the liberal left. When it came time to save their own lives and the lives of their families, they were incapable. They simply waited and waited for "someone" to help them just as they have all their lives. It is clear evidence that capitalism, free enterprise, ownership of property and the desire to take personal responsibility for ones actions is what enabled others to save themselves.
You reap what your sow, and this Country has allowed the liberal left to sow the seeds of self destruction in our inner cities and among the poor.
Yes and no. It is well known amongst psychologists that people who are raised in dysfunctional households throughout their childhood cannot function properly in society. For that reason, they are found to be helpless within the capitalist system, which requires people to be knowledgable and psychologically healthy. Those who are raised in unhealthy households are bound to become criminals or fall into the welfare system, as they are incapable of functioning properly. If enough was invested in incorporating parenting and psychology within the school system, particularly high school, then we would see a noticeble difference in the number of poor people and criminals.

It is well known amongst psychologists that people who are raised in dysfunctional households throughout their childhood cannot function properly in society.

That's bullshit! Even psychologists (those who speak in "Psycho-Babble"!) don't agree with that pronouncement! There are many, many instances of children from dysfunctional families go on to perfectly "normal" lives.

I'd also think that many psychologist could/would find that many "normal" families had SOME degree of "dysfunctionality" in it.

Baron Max

No, democracy didn't fail anyone ....we failed to make democracy work.
Eh. Same thing to me. Doesn't work. Switch it for something that does.


As to the "police chant" ....next time you need some help, call a hippie or a ghetto pimp to help you and see how much you get!
Bitch, I help my own self out. It's called fists, motherfucker.

"Well, I don't know why I came here tonight;
I got the feeling that something ain't right.
I'm so scared in case I fall off my chair;
And I'm wondering how I'll get down the stairs.

Clowns to the left of me;
Jokers to the right.
Here I am,
Stuck in the middle with you."

-Pulp Fiction soundtrack.

Bitch, I help my own self out. It's called fists, motherfucker.

And what if it's just you and twenty mean, vicious brutes? Your two fists can take care of all of them, Hap? You need no help from anyone ....ever?

Baron Max

I've got his back, and against twenty "brutes," that is more than enough. If I'm mistaken, then death is preferable to a life with idiots.

That's bullshit! Even psychologists (those who speak in "Psycho-Babble"!) don't agree with that pronouncement!
Yes, they do. Ever read Freud, or Adler or in fact any psychologist?


There are many, many instances of children from dysfunctional families go on to perfectly "normal" lives.
Absolutely! But that is certainly not the norm.


I'd also think that many psychologist could/would find that many "normal" families had SOME degree of "dysfunctionality" in it.
To some degree, yes....

Yes, they do. Ever read Freud, or Adler or in fact any psychologist?

For every psychologist that believes that bullshit, there's others that don't!! You know that as well as I do, so why are you making such an assertion?


"I'd also think that many psychologist could/would find that many "normal" families had SOME degree of "dysfunctionality" in it."
To some degree, yes....

And that says it all, don't it! Ain't no reason to say any more!!

Baron Max

For every psychologist that believes that bullshit, there's others that don't!! You know that as well as I do, so why are you making such an assertion?
ONE: Skinner. All other psychologists agree about this.

Psychiatrists are a different subject.


And that says it all, don't it! Ain't no reason to say any more!!
There are always exceptions for every rule.

Psychiatrists are nuts.

Socialism and government handouts proclaim to help those in need but only enslave them into a vicious cycle of supporting those who will give them just enough to live but not enough to break out. Louisiana has been controlled by the Democrats for over 60 years. That's Governors, Congressmen, Senators, State legislators, even the Mayor of New Orleans. By their own ideology it should have been the epitome of success and equality. It fell hopelessly short.

Psychiatrists are nuts.

Socialism and government handouts proclaim to help those in need but only enslave them into a vicious cycle of supporting those who will give them just enough to live but not enough to break out.
Exactly. :)

Ah, screw governments. Anarchy works best for me. Me and my own. If your interests conflict with mine, then it's your head that'll be on my fencepost, rather than mine on yours.
That, or a government in which I rule the world benevolently with absolute power. Either one of those two is good for me.

If your interests conflict with mine, then it's your head that'll be on my fencepost, rather than mine on yours.

And though you don't seem to notice it, that IS a form of government!

Baron Max

Hapsburg:"a government in which I rule the world benevolently with absolute power"

NO ruler with absolute power can rule benevolently. To say one will is the normal pre-revolutinary cry of all dictators. To rule benevolently you must listen to dissent and correct it for the betterment of those who dissent. If I had absolute power I'd just tell'em tough shit.

And though you don't seem to notice it, that IS a form of government!

Baron Max
What kind? Anarchy is the lack of government, not existence of a minimal one.

We have governments so that the Liberals can tax us to death.

Taxes necisarry to make the budget big, so they could pay for social welfare programs.

Taxes necisarry to make the budget big, so they could pay for social welfare programs.

Me talk pretty some day.

we have governments so you can plink bullshit into your keyboard night after night about how bad you've got it and how much you'd rather fight amongst others in a cold kentucky forest with only a dead animal's rotting hide on your back to keep you warm, that is if you were civilized enough to engage in free trade *gasp* with another man so you could get some stuff to make weapons to kill the animal with. otherwise, your naked self would lie with bloody fists and bruises on the snow and freeze to death.

or you could enjoy the warm bed you have, thank god that someone rallied empolyees to make that bed for you, be thankful that you can do tasks for society to buy things (like that computer), plug to the internet (a highly sophisticated electronic network requiring thousands to stay up and maintain), and excersize your right to sound like a dipshit by talking smack about how much you'd make a great dictator, right up there in ranks with hitler and saddam.

government ain't perfect, but it's all we have

whatever, dude.

It fell hopelessly short.

How? I'm curious at your rationale for this.

I'm curious for his facts.

Facial: "How? I'm curious at your rationale for this. "

Did you read the whole post? Let's try it again. New Orleans, after 60 years under liberal Democtratic control at the local and state levels should have been the epitome of equality and economic bliss. After all, that's what the liberal mantra is: "Give us your money and we will take care of everything for your betterment" However, the majority of those living there were poor blacks who were so dependent on government that they couldn't even help themselves, so why hasn't the Democrat's socialist economic blueprint worked there? They have had the opportunity for 3 generations to make New Orleans a showcase of liberal, socialist ideals. The only rational conclusion is that those liberal socialist ideals don't work. Never have, never will.

We have governments so that the Liberals can tax us to death.
You are Canadian, eh? :p :m:

Yaba Daba :m:

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government ain't perfect, but it's all we have

...as the priest say to one another, "dem little boys ain't perfect but its all we have!"

BullShit...it's all we have...

We have governments so that the Liberals can tax us to death.


Sooner or later, all these tax cuts and billions upon billions spent on wars will have to be paid back. So at that point, their will be some liberal idiot in the white house to blame all of George Bush's mis-mangement on.

At that point, the brain dead, can't see around the corner sheep, opps, I mean Bush lovers, will scream about how the liberals are taxing us to death.

It's the way of the world. One idiot fucks it up and another gets blamed for it. Me, I think both Dems and Rep are the same frickin animal. People scream about how GWB is this, How Clinton was that - they are the same fuckin people. One smarter than the other - GWB is about as aware as Jack [i sometimes can look at a picture of GWB and hear Jack4wars words coming out of his mouth!]

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government ain't perfect, but it's all we have
http://www.thepaincomics.com/It%20May%20Not%20Be%20a%20Perfect%20System.JPG

And what if it's just you and twenty mean, vicious brutes? Your two fists can take care of all of them, Hap? You need no help from anyone ....ever?

Baron Max
That's why it's a good idea to carry a little invention called the GUN.

Spidergoat: Don't knock the Incans and their neighbors. Their system did work. Brilliantly. And I can't really say that the Spanish brought anything better.

I bet you'd say that the english brought something good though.

I bet you'd say that the english brought something good though.
They brought something worse than catholicism and smallpox:
Puritans.
Wackos.

Which were the greater wackos? puritans or native americans?

Puritans. Definently.
Fanatical Christians with muskets and snazzy clothing. Doesn't get any crazier than that, man.

I agree totally. Just wanted to point out that it was these same fanatical whackos that nearly annihilated native americans because they thought they had a "manifest destiny."

http://www.thepaincomics.com/It%20May%20Not%20Be%20a%20Perfect%20System.JPG
Exactly.... :rolleyes: :cool:

http://www.thepaincomics.com/It%20May%20Not%20Be%20a%20Perfect%20System.JPG
Cool! That's imitatable! :p