I read so many WW2 books but couldnt find an answer to my question. If you look at the WW2 map Hitler invaded everywhere around Turkiye but didnt even touch Turkiye. Why wouldn't he invade a country too weak to defend itself?

He didn't want it. One of Hitler's main failings was to not understand the importance of northern Africa in defending Europe from invasion. Although Turkey isn't Africa, it fell outside of the sphere that Hitler considered important. Namely Europe. IMO.

As far as I can assertain Hitler was not interested in conquering the world.
A muslem country was safe.
He was only interested in weeding

maybe turkey would have been the next step... or he simply couldn't be bothered to... or there were no jews to slaughter.

There are several reasons for this.
1.Germany had limited resources they simply didn't have the manpower to invade everywhere they fancied.
2.Turkey was a former ally which Germany hoped to get to enter the war on its side. It would have been better to recieve added manpower for the axis rather than use extra manpower to subdue a country which was basically friendly towards the axis.
3.Since Turkey was not hostile towards the axis it acted as a neutral buffer zone for the southeastern flank of fortress europe. The allies would basically have to declare war on neutral Turkey to attack fortress europe from the southeast which would bring Turkey into the war on the axis side.

If I remember correctly, Turkey had signed 'friendship' treaties with both the Allies and Germany. An aid pact with Britain and France in 1939, although I don't believe it was a true defense treaty, and then in '41 Turkey signed a non-aggression pact and a trade agreement with Germany. I believe Turkey supplied Germany with material through the first years of the war. The German High Command supposedly had an invasion plan available (Operation Gertrud(e) ?) in case Turkey joined the Allies. When Turkey did break off diplomatic relations with Germany in 1944, Germany was obviously in no position to initiate the plan.

These are interesting ideas. I do agree that the tie from the 1. WW had a big impact. However, if you listen to one of Hitler's speech where he counts the countries he will conquer he also says Turkiye.
I also like the bufferzone idea.

Jadedflower there are still many Jews in Turkiye especially Istanbul. So, at that time there were many rich Jews in Turkiye. I want to talk about the Jews and the Turks during the 2. WW in a different topic.

Just finished a book on the battle of Kursk Turkish military officials were invited to witness the build up to the battle that Germany hoped would tip the scales in their favor in the east. The Turks were invited in an attempt to persuade them to join the German cause but as we know things didn't go as planned for Germany.
Thanks for the details spyke :)

If Hitler had invaded Turkey and the Middle East in 1941 the war would have been lost for the allies. I assume that if that plan was in Hitler's head he would think as follows:

1) Secure the region around Turkey (Greece), and beef up Italians so they can defend the South from attack, reorient German forces on the Thrace.
2) Keep "alliance" with the USSR rather strong and allow them to invade Eastern Turkey (Armenia) and thus create the diversion.
3) Invade Turkey from the West, up the highlands and secure Kurdistan for the final putsch into Arabia.
4) In Egypt the Germans should have gotten to the Suez and crossed into Palestine.
5) From there the two would meet and the Euphrates for instance and then cut off all British trade, and communications with India.
6) That allows for the Japanese and her Indian allies to create a revolt and eventually seize India away from the British.
7) The Germans would have also cut off most of the Oil to which the allies needed and won the war.

But no the idiot Hitler just had to invade the USSR.

I think it was vanity what Napoleon couldnt I will achieve or something to that degree. Probably in a reach to do what many before have failed to do.

But I think it had something to do with the cleaning the loss of the german in the 1100s as well. I remember seeing the propoganda clips on the history channel where the germans are called on to clean the slate of their forefathers and subdue the eastern barbarians or something like that.

Hitler wasn't particularly interested in the Mediterranean - because that was the Italian sphere of influence. German troops were only sent to Greece because Mussolini pleaded for assistance.

Turkey was historically a German satellite; had been one of the Central Powers of WWI; and Hitler hoped that it could be enticed to join the Axis (as had Hungary and Roumania).

However, one must also bear in mind that Turkey had had a revolution of its own in 1921 when Attaturk had come to power, and that it was at this time in its history rather weak ECONOMICALLY. Yes of course Hitler could probably have defeated it militarily - but to what purpose? There was nothing there of value to him.

Hitler knewed he will lose the war against Turks,
hitler said:
If i go to Turkey with 200.000 tanks, i will come back with 2!

Hitler knewed he will lose the war against Turks,
hitler said:
If i go to Turkey with 200.000 tanks, i will come back with 2!

Hitler wouldn't have retreated..

Hitler knewed he will lose the war against Turks,
hitler said:
If i go to Turkey with 200.000 tanks, i will come back with 2!

Just shows you how bad the roads were.

Just shows you how bad the roads were.

haha
First thing on the internet Ive laughed about in 6 months

Turkey was neutral in the war, but it helped Germany and looked the other way on a lot of things. It was, for example, much tougher on allied shipping, and worked to close down the British espionage rings in Istanbul. It let the Germans get away with a lot more. I think Turkey came into the war for the allies in 1945, but it never fought in any battles.

As for why Hitler didn't invade. I honestly don't know. He did have a lot on his plate, though...


However, one must also bear in mind that Turkey had had a revolution of its own in 1921 when Attaturk had come to power, and that it was at this time in its history rather weak ECONOMICALLY. Yes of course Hitler could probably have defeated it militarily - but to what purpose? There was nothing there of value to him.

Part of that is true. Turkey was certainly weak. But nothing of value? The straits of the Dardanelles are pretty damn valuable. And the Allies were certainly shipping arms and material to Russia through those straits. Control of them could have meant a Southern front in Russia and access to Iranian oil through Turkey. I'd say both would have helped the war effort.

Part of that is true. Turkey was certainly weak. But nothing of value? The straits of the Dardanelles are pretty damn valuable. And the Allies were certainly shipping arms and material to Russia through those straits. Control of them could have meant a Southern front in Russia and access to Iranian oil through Turkey. I'd say both would have helped the war effort.
Allied convoys went to Archangel and Murmansk in Northern Russia, not through the Dardanelles.
The border between Turkey and Russia is the Caucasus Mountains - not exactly an easy route for invasion forces to take.
The Iranian oil fields are nowhere near the Turkish border.

Allied convoys went to Archangel and Murmansk in Northern Russia, not through the Dardanelles.
The border between Turkey and Russia is the Caucasus Mountains - not exactly an easy route for invasion forces to take.
The Iranian oil fields are nowhere near the Turkish border.

Pretty sure Killjoy is right on all these points. The Dardanelles were mined IIRC so as to keep part of the Russian fleet trapped.
The only possible long-term strategic value of taking Turkey early on(if any) would have been the opening of another front in the middle east(not worth the trouble with those long supply lines in an occupied territory). Or in preparation for an amphibious assault on Russia - again probably not worth the trouble and requiring a substantial capturing of the Turkish navy, which probably wouldn't have held it's own against the Russians anyway hence nullifying any chance at invasion.

Because he perfered DUCK

Turkey has no oil or any important agricultural stuff in big quantity. The goats weren't worthy...

Or was it the goats were no longer Virgins?

Because he perfered DUCK
They didn't build "DUCKS" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DUKW), they built the goddam Landwasserschlepper -

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/6591/landwasserschlepper16ep.jpg

Turkey has no oil or any important agricultural stuff in big quantity. The goats weren't worthy...


Hitler's main enemies were Britain and France . All the rest just got in between like parasites .

If Hitler had invaded Turkey and the Middle East in 1941 the war would have been lost for the allies. I assume that if that plan was in Hitler's head he would think as follows:

1) Secure the region around Turkey (Greece), and beef up Italians so they can defend the South from attack, reorient German forces on the Thrace.
2) Keep "alliance" with the USSR rather strong and allow them to invade Eastern Turkey (Armenia) and thus create the diversion.
3) Invade Turkey from the West, up the highlands and secure Kurdistan for the final putsch into Arabia.
4) In Egypt the Germans should have gotten to the Suez and crossed into Palestine.
5) From there the two would meet and the Euphrates for instance and then cut off all British trade, and communications with India.
6) That allows for the Japanese and her Indian allies to create a revolt and eventually seize India away from the British.
7) The Germans would have also cut off most of the Oil to which the allies needed and won the war..


you know... that makes me wonder how the would would be today if that war didnt go how it went..

yes, I like to think what if's! LOL! what if we necver had slaves? what if the us wasnt "founded" by Columbus? I quote that because there is debait on who was REALLY the first person to set foot... What if we didnt have WW1, the Vet. war, WW2?! how crazy!! what would we be like if we didnt have this retarded war with iraq or where ever its at now?!

They didn't build "DUCKS" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DUKW), they built the goddam Landwasserschlepper -

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/6591/landwasserschlepper16ep.jpg

I know it was a play on words. Turkey Duck

Attacking Turkey to get advantage of Russian South front would have been pointless...its separated by black sea (there is Russian Navy there) and by extremely high Caucasus mountains.

Also, Armenians are and always have been huge allies of Russians, so it would not have been smooth.

I am sure Turkey was on the schedule, but probably for the year 1948 or so, when every other big European country would have been overtaken....

I am sure Turkey was on the schedule, but probably for the year 1948 or so, when every other big European country would have been overtaken....

Agreed. The occupation of entire planet would have completed around 1970s. Maybe it happened in one layer of a parallel universe.

Agreed. The occupation of entire planet would have completed around 1970s. Maybe it happened in one layer of a parallel universe.

You mean like on Star Trek wow cool...

Allied convoys went to Archangel and Murmansk in Northern Russia, not through the Dardanelles.

Fair enough. I honestly don't know where they went. But I do know Russia views the straits as a lifeline and always has.


The border between Turkey and Russia is the Caucasus Mountains - not exactly an easy route for invasion forces to take.

And yet, the Russians and Turkey fought over that terrain no less than 12 or 13 times, so it was doable.


The Iranian oil fields are nowhere near the Turkish border.

There is oil in Turkey in Batman and around Lake Van. I never claimed the oil fields in Iran were near Eastern Turkey, only that it would be easy to access Iran if one controlled Eastern Turkey, not to mention Mosul and Kirkuk, which, I hear, have just a little bit of oil.

Hitler didnt invade turkey because Hitler liked turks and was afraid of them... He had a quote 'If you kill one turk you have to kill them all...'

Hitler didnt invade turkey because Hitler liked turks and was afraid of them... He had a quote 'If you kill one turk you have to kill them all...'

I do believe he thought that way about everybody in for a penny in for a pound kinda guy I think hitler was.

Why didn't Hitler invade Turkey?
He was chicken.

Fair enough. I honestly don't know where they went. But I do know Russia views the straits as a lifeline and always has. with good reason the northern ports freeze up during the winter.

Or was it the goats were no longer Virgins?

Turkey is an Islamic country. The Islamic Arab states aligned with Hitler in W.W.II. Although some say Turkey was one of the only Islamic states which boasts of assisting W.W.II victims, including Jews.

Islamic doctrines share one pivotal premise with Nazism:

IT IS A BLESSING TO KILL INFIDELS - SPECIALLY JEWS.

This is not my opinion or invention but a declared Islamic doctrine. Islam emulates medevial European Christianity [surprise, surprise!], the reason most Christians remain silent and even foster Islam in negating Israel at the UN today. Nazism got up for the same reason in Europe - 99% of Christians were silent - or worse. :)

Turkey is an Islamic country. The Islamic Arab states aligned with Hitler in W.W.II. Although some say Turkey was one of the only Islamic states which boasts of assisting W.W.II victims, including Jews.

Islamic doctrines share one pivotal premise with Nazism:

IT IS A BLESSING TO KILL INFIDELS - SPECIALLY JEWS.

This is not my opinion or invention but a declared Islamic doctrine. Islam emulates medevial European Christianity [surprise, surprise!], the reason most Christians remain silent and even foster Islam in negating Israel at the UN today. Nazism got up for the same reason in Europe - 99% of Christians were silent - or worse. :)

um actually most were neutral and some fought with the allies.
hell 7 declared war on the axis powers:
Turkey
Iraq
Iran
Lebanon
Syria
Egypt
Saudi Arabia

um actually most were neutral and some fought with the allies.
hell 7 declared war on the axis powers:
Turkey
Iraq
Iran
Lebanon
Syria
Egypt
Saudi Arabia

Omissions will get you anywhere you want to go. There are no known Islamic groups which opposed Hitler - in fact they helped te Nazis with oil, money and chants of begging not to let any Jews escape alive:

Islamic hero of W.W.II:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBFBvceJvIU&feature=related

MUSLIMS LOVE HITLER:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71vdfAgv6fg&feature=related

SAUDI ISLAMIC BROTHERHOOD [WAHABISM]:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp4yHd0tCRQ&feature=related

SAUDI ISLAMIC BROTHERHOOD INFILTRATING AMERICA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEb-USpe6jM

Omissions will get you anywhere you want to go. There are no known Islamic groups which opposed Hitler - in fact they helped te Nazis with oil, money and chants of begging not to let any Jews escape alive:

Islamic hero of W.W.II:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBFBvceJvIU&feature=related

MUSLIMS LOVE HITLER:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71vdfAgv6fg&feature=related

SAUDI ISLAMIC BROTHERHOOD [WAHABISM]:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp4yHd0tCRQ&feature=related

SAUDI ISLAMIC BROTHERHOOD INFILTRATING AMERICA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEb-USpe6jM

i just mentioned 7 islamic states that declared war on hitler so your wrong

Turkey was very close to throwing in with the axis side - they only would do so if it looked like sure victory though - it would have taken a complete Axis victory in either the caucuses or the middle east to Irak to secure Turkey joining the axis.

i just mentioned 7 islamic states that declared war on hitler so your wrong

I'm not wrong - nor are the factual links provided. The Islamic Brotherhood, a Saudi sect, is alive and kicking today, its websites openly mirror the Nazi doctrines:

IT IS A BLESSING TO KILL INFIDELS.

And no Muslims [including you] revolt against such evil doctrines - they make lousy excuses and justifications to uphold them. Non-Muslims are barred and villified as sub-humans in Saudi Arabia, forbidden to wear any symbols of their belief - while Muslims exploit democrasy in America for a mosque on the graves of their victims. You cannot even utter which is the Jewish homeland and Hebrew Capital - there's a razor edged bone stuck in someone's throat!

Turkey was very close to throwing in with the axis side - they only would do so if it looked like sure victory though - it would have taken a complete Axis victory in either the caucuses or the middle east to Irak to secure Turkey joining the axis.

IMHO, there's no such thing as an Islamic moderate state today. I just will sit back in ringside and watch the west learn the hard way while they perform heil Hitler salues at the UN to maintain their oil deals. America's decline is a result of calling Nazi states her allies and national interest - it got Osama - oops, I mean Obama - to desecrate the world's most sacred office.

IMHO, there's no such thing as an Islamic moderate state today. I just will sit back in ringside and watch the west learn the hard way while they perform heil Hitler salues at the UN to maintain their oil deals. America's decline is a result of calling Nazi states her allies and national interest - it got Osama - oops, I mean Obama - to desecrate the world's most sacred office.

Can we just ban this fucker for making no fuckin sense?

Can we just ban this fucker for making no fuckin sense?

Rocket science: Todays Nazi HQs is not in the Afghan hills.

- Cultural Power:
Physical and Cultural Geography of World : Hitler might have been looking a map during war and might have understood to fight against Turkey has not meant to invade Istanbul only.
Hitler was not prepared and otivated to fight against a culture he did not know and he has not been enemy of yet. He would be an "auslander" in Anatolia in all the time.
Although Turkey was not the city of Hilafet at those times, Revolution in Turkey was very new in historical aspect, and an invasion would make a deep impact in islamic world and Hitler would loose the control of war. he would not have prefered to put his hand into a beehive also there was no treat from Turkey to him also. Only Turkey has invited many expelled Gews. He might have most probably postponed this idea, as it is also given that, Austrians had/have most hostile historical feelings against Turks.
But Hitler was a believer of 19th and 20th centuries' semi-illiterate phylospohies more than historic ones.

social-psychology:
- Crazy guys have only one idea! : Hitler was not a christ fanatic to fight against both Gews and Muslims.
- Hitler/Germans was also foreigner in European mentality and had inferiority complex against that. it would not be a direct step of his victory.
An invader is not an enemy of another invader, they might be competatives. when a crazy meets another crazy, he hides his rod.

Why didn't Hitler invade Turkiye?

I sense a punch line...


Can we just ban this fucker for making no fuckin sense?

I'd rather ban you. Try and be civilized if you can.

Todays Nazi HQs is not in the Afghan hills.
True, its under a pile of rubble deep below Berlin.

We have a saying here.
"Jim, hurry I caught a Turk, I caught a Turk ... and he does not want to let me." :D

also, tunisia and other maghreb countries, accepted jews, and also many christians, not only turkey, anyway, nazies did came to tunisia, it's a part of that cukltuer you're talking about, and they are muslims

Fair enough. I honestly don't know where they went. But I do know Russia views the straits as a lifeline and always has.
The lifeline was closed tight during WW1 when Turkey entered the war
on the side of the Central Powers. It remained shut to Russia for the
rest of the war.

During WW2 the straits were closed for the duration because approach
was barred by Axis occupation of mainland Greece, the Aegean islands,
and Crete.



with good reason the northern ports freeze up during the winter.
Fortunately for the Allied cause the port of Murmansk does not freeze
in the winter, compliments of the tail end of the Gulf Stream.

As for the question raised by the threadstart, the number one goal
of Hitler's foreign policy was eventual conquest of most or all of the
European USSR. A Turkish operation would have diverted resources
from this operation, with no clearly offsetting advantage.

Hitler was impatient to embark on his Eastern war of conquest. He
was overconfident due to easy victories and the poor USSR's showing
in war against Finland. The time seemed ripe to strike, and the place
to strike is always at the heart, if the heart is within striking distance.

um actually most were neutral and some fought with the allies.
hell 7 declared war on the axis powers:
Turkey
Iraq
Iran
Lebanon
Syria
Egypt
Saudi Arabia

Were did you study your history?????

Um, let see, -----

Lebanon as a independent nation didn't exist until 1943, and French troops didn't leave the Country until 1946, add to that the fact that Lebanon was under the control of France during the war and thus controlled by the puppet Vichy government, until Lebanon was wrested from Vichy France by Allied forces during the Syria-Lebanon campaign. De Gaulle declared Lebanon independent on November 22, 1943, thought French Troops didn't leave until 1946.

Iraq was a League of Nations mandate under the control of the British until 1932, and in 1941 when the Government of Iraq was over thrown, by the pro German Rashid Ali al-Gaylani and members of the Golden Square, and attempted negotiations with the Axis Powers, Indian troops consequently invaded in late April 1941, The United Kingdom forced Iraq to declare war on the Axis in 1942. British forces remained to protect the vital oil supplies. British and Indian operations in Iraq should be viewed in conjunction with events in neighboring Syria and Persia the British occupied the country until 1947.

Iran/Persia...Reza Shah, refused to remove German Nationals, giving the British and Russians to question the Neutrality of Iran, the British and Russians, gave a final warning about removing the German workers in Iran, and then in 1941 the British and Russians in a joint operation (Operation Countenance) invaded and replaced Reza Shah, and occupied Iran until January 1946.

Syria was much the same as Lebanon, a French Mandate, which fell under control of the Vichy Government, it never declared war on Germany, and for cooperating with Hitler, Germany, and the Nazis, was invaded and occupied until after WWII was over.

Now for Egypt, it was in negotiations with the German Government about the prospect of Egypt joining the Axis should the British be defeated, officially it remained neutral for most of the war.

Saudi Arabia severed diplomatic contacts with Germany on September 11, 1939, and with Japan in October 1941, and was officially neutral.

also, tunisia and other maghreb countries, accepted jews, and also many christians, not only turkey, anyway, nazies did came to tunisia, it's a part of that cukltuer you're talking about, and they are muslims

Britains , Frenches and Italians had already invaded northern africa and Eurper had experince to do that. And In histrory, northern affrica has never become a center of islam. tunisia was only a city at those times and it was mediternian more than african. Turkey had been alone after ww1 against all alias. what happend to modern British navy and Churchill against a deadly empire?
I think Hitler has studied history. But, he must knew very well that "if you want to be Caeser! You must occupy the Rome!" I mean Latest Rome! he must have had a plan to do it, when he was ready to do it.

Britains , Frenches and Italians had already invaded northern africa and Eurper had experince to do that.

true
libya= by italy
egypte=by britain
tunisia, morroco, and algeria= by france
muritania= i have no idea :P
besides the nazies


And In histrory, northern affrica has never become a center of islam.

and apparently, you don't know nothing about that history
and, i didnt know that there was a country or empire called islam :shrug:


tunisia was only a city
a city? lol, no, who told you that? :/


at those times and it was mediternian more than african.
hmm, medeterrenian and arabic, almost not african


Turkey had been alone after ww1 against all alias. what happend to modern British navy and Churchill against a deadly empire?
I think Hitler has studied history. But, he must knew very well that "if you want to be Caeser! You must occupy the Rome!" I mean Latest Rome! he must have had a plan to do it, when he was ready to do it.

ok here's i agree, because at that time, turkey was the center of the othman empire that expanded on all the arab world, well, most of it, and it's the capital of that empire

do you know any ottoman that has fighted against any arab to "invade" arabic country ?

do you know any ottoman that has fighted against any arab to "invade" arabic country ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

sorry, Naturalism is very very far "invention" as to the nature of those times and also human-being

just read Hayreddin Barbarossa on wikipedia!

he was ottaman and was born in Greece and more on those he was muslim and in addition to those he had given his power ro emr'ul mu'minin, and he was honered as become thre great admiral and now he is lying down to neighbor to my home.

Ottomans has expanded over many lands and combined many nations, but there was no superiority of any nation to another one. At those times, history was taught from the creature of Adam and inquiry of Abraham.

Many things might be told about them. Serbians, Hungrians, Greeks, Romans, Russians, Polishes, Ukrainians, Bulgarians... may gossip against them, Arabs can not!

to understand why it is, just look at ottoman language, cloths, literature, even fables...

your slander is derived from the same reson why we are talking in English. After the participation of Empire between the nations.

"Devlet-i ʿAliyye-i ʿOsmâniyye" is there any turkish word in these words?

Ottaman times was the only time in history which there was a "heaven" in the Middle East and only times Sia and sunni live together in islam. In the East, they have fight against ony Irani Sahs (those were all turkish!) , and Fatimi ( those we memluks and semi-turkish caucasians) the word "Hadim'ul Haremeyn" was created by Ottamans, before those times, arabs called themselves "Hakim'ul Harameyn". Ottomans has blended many good things for the evolution of human-being, they have occupied the center of world and taken that palace from the latest Ceaser! they have nothing before else for a belief and a tribe. Just look the maps of its starting, there is only one more map in history. May be you can resample.

Muslims in the middle east are considered aryans so the German's, Hitler, viewed them as blood brothers. Hence, he didn't need a formal agreement with them. They also had worked together since the time of the Ottoman Empire and the Muslims did not like the British Empire's meddleing in their affairs. The closeness of the Nazis with middle eastern countries is evident in the films Raiders of the Lost Ark and the one about the Holy Grail.

Muslims in the middle east are considered aryans so the German's, Hitler, viewed them as blood brothers. Hence, he didn't need a formal agreement with them. They also had worked together since the time of the Ottoman Empire and the Muslims did not like the British Empire's meddleing in their affairs. The closeness of the Nazis with middle eastern countries is evident in the films Raiders of the Lost Ark and the one about the Holy Grail.

No only the Iranians are Aryan.

Muslims in the middle east are considered aryans so the German's, Hitler, viewed them as blood brothers.
This is not accurate. It was the Islamic religion which appealed
to Hitler. He though it a appropriate religion for a warrior nation,
and despised Christianity (despite what he may have said in his
speeches) because of its gentle and pacifist elements.

He held the Arabs in low esteem as Semetic cousins of the Jews.
I think it is safe to guess that he also viewed the Turks as lower-
order than "Arians", although perhaps not so far removed as the
Semetics.

He was willing to make temporary, tactical alliances with almost
anyone.






Hence, he didn't need a formal agreement with them.
What are you talking about?






They also had worked together since the time of the Ottoman Empire

How so, aside from routine trading relations?






and the Muslims did not like the British Empire's meddleing in their affairs.

Subject Muslims could have caused the UK and the French
much more trouble than they did. They probably knew enough
bout Hitler's racism to prefer what they had.






The closeness of the Nazis with middle eastern countries is evident in the films Raiders of the Lost Ark and the one about the Holy Grail.
Raiders of the Lost Ark? Is this a joke?

No only the Iranians are Aryan.So are the Indic people, their closest relatives, in many classification systems. However, Hitler considered the Germans and the Nordic peoples "Aryan." The Germanic peoples are Western Indo-Europeans, while the Indo-Iranians are Eastern Indo-Europeans. So to call them Aryan would require expanding the definition to include all Indo-Europeans, including the Slavs, whom he regarded as inferior--and are more closely related to the Persians than he was!

The Indo-European family of languages may be spoken
by nearly as many people in Asia than in Europe and the
Americas.

Here is a list of Asian IE languages with at least 1 million
native speakers (per Wiki list):

Hindi (~200 million speakers)
Bengali (170 million)
Punjabi (70 million)
Urdu (60 million)
Gujarati (50 million)
Pashtun (50 million)
Bhojpuri (40 million)
Bihari (35 million)
Oriya (32 million)
Farsee (32 million)
Sindhi (20 million)
Saiki (20 million)
Nepali (16 million)
Sinhalese (16 million)
Assamese (15 million)
Kurdish (10 million)
Baluchi (7 million)
Pahali-Potwari (5 million)
Kashmiri (5 million)
Tajik (4 million)
Mazanderani (3 million)
Gilaki (3 million)
Kyrgyz (3 million)
Hindko (3 million)
Garhwali (3 million)
Luri (2 million)
Doghri (2 million)
Zazaki (2 million)
Khandeshi (2 million)
Koli (1 million)
Malvi (1 million)
Bhili (1 million)

That is 32 languages with close to 900 million speakers aggregate.

I always invade Turkey when I play Hearts of Iron 1/2/3 as Germany.

Just sayin...

1940, Population of Germany, Austria and German Speaking annexed territories - 80 millions. Population of USSR + USA + England is roughly 400 millions +/-. It might have had something to do with Germany not invading Turkey, India, Argentina, Brazil, Equatorial Africa & North Pole.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/KC9XfcJFeOM/0.jpg

He was too busy entering Blondie the Alsatian to bother with Turkey.

Call me a dog whisperer if you will, but I have a theory.
That dog is scared, isn't it?

That was his own dog fer Christ's sakes!

If I greeted my dog after a few days, it would be going crazy.
Happy crazy.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/KC9XfcJFeOM/0.jpg

He was too busy entering Blondie the Alsatian to bother with Turkey.

Call me a dog whisperer if you will, but I have a theory.
That dog is scared, isn't it?

That was his own dog fer Christ's sakes!

If I greeted my dog after a few days, it would be going crazy.
Happy crazy.Well...Hitler was said to have erupted into fits of rage on a semi-regular basis. I'd venture to guess the dog was witness - so to speak - to some of those episodes. Perhaps even subjected to abuse.

If you ask me, I think Blondie had been taking it on the chin for being the actual architect of the aborted Operation Sea Lion plan...
:D
http://i56.tinypic.com/2qld0de.jpg

The dog is pointing to a fairly good invasion point.
Maybe you have something there.

http://i56.tinypic.com/2qld0de.jpg

But a few minutes ago you were wagging your tail at Russia.
What are you trying to tell me Blondie?
Open a second front?
Gott im Schnitzel! Of course!

"Mussolini my master. atatürk is master of mussolini" -Adolf Hitler

cCc Hitler was a Turk cCc

There is also a movie on the same topic , "Gins of navarone ". Where germany tries to bring turkey along it side .

Just shows you how bad the roads were.


I think your tanks are designed to only go on the road

The only mistake Hitler ever made was allowing Japan to attack us. If we stay out France falls, as normal, England surly falls, then Hitler can turn all his attention to Russia. At this point America has two options, A. Help its communist rival or B. Just let them fall and hope Germany, and Japan don't invade us. Either way if America doesn't get in the war Hitler takes over the world.. rather easily actually.

The only mistake Hitler ever made was allowing Japan to attack us.
Hitler didn't "allow" it. He had nothing to do with the decision.


If we stay out France falls, as normal, England surly falls, then Hitler can turn all his attention to Russia.
Huh?


At this point America has two options, A. Help its communist rival or B. Just let them fall and hope Germany, and Japan don't invade us. Either way if America doesn't get in the war Hitler takes over the world.. rather easily actually.
Also huh?

Maybe you should go read some genuine history books.
:rolleyes:

If America doesnt get involved France falls, just as they did in real life, then Germany takes out England THEN they invade Russia who is already at war with Japan. After they roll over Russia both Germany, and Japan can fight America, and with joint powers they probably see us crumble.

Wrong.
:rolleyes:

Wrong.
:rolleyes:

How can you say a speculation is wrong?

Quite simple: your "speculation" is uninformed and erroneous. Like I said, go away and read some history books.

Quite simple: your "speculation" is uninformed and erroneous. Like I said, go away and read some history books.

How is it uniformed? How can you say my OPINON is wrong? You can't disprove what didn't happen.

How is it uniformed? How can you say my OPINON is wrong? You can't disprove what didn't happen.
It's quite simple: your opinion is uninformed because you don't know any actual history.
Your opinion is wrong because you claimed that Germany would beat England without US help (check how long England held out [i]before the US got involved) and that Russia would be beaten. Why didn't that happen IRL?

You also gave two options:

Help its communist rival.
Er, what do you think lend-lease was?


hope Germany, and Japan don't invade us.
How were Germany and Japan going to invade the US? Germany couldn't even manage to get an "invasion fleet" over 20 miles of the Channel, let alone a couple of thousand miles of Atlantic ocean.


Either way if America doesn't get in the war Hitler takes over the world.. rather easily actually
Yeah right. The "rest of the world" managed for half the war without the US.

One more time: go away and read some history.

do you think turkey was soo weak at the time i wonder did you ever read how we won all you england greece france italy russia WWI ? was we so strong that time ?

do you think turkey was soo weak at the time i wonder did you ever read how we won all you england greece france italy russia WWI ? was we so strong that time ?

I would guess he didn't invade Turkey because there was no point to it at the time (he was busy with USSR).

Your opinion is wrong because you claimed that Germany would beat England without US help (check how long England held out before the US got involved) and that Russia would be beaten.How about the Pacific Front? Would the UK have been able to beat Japan while taking down Hitler?
How were Germany and Japan going to invade the US? Germany couldn't even manage to get an "invasion fleet" over 20 miles of the Channel, let alone a couple of thousand miles of Atlantic ocean.Yes, we were in a reasonably safe spot with an ocean on both sides. It's not clear that FDR would have entered the war if it were not for Pearl Harbor. Although my guess is that he would have.

Despite a long history of animosity toward England over the Revolution, the War of 1812, Britain siding with the Confederacy during the Civil War, and a large minority of our population wanting to enter WWI on the German side, Americans reviled Hitler and felt that any enemy of his was an ally of ours. I think his over-the-top antisemitism made the people of my parents' generation feel ashamed of themselves for their own slightly less violent prejudice against Afro-Americans. Fighting him was a way of atoning. Although being ordered to toss the Nisei into relocation camps allowed them to not become too kind to racial minorities. They didn't even allow very many Jewish refugees to land here.

I've always said that the resolution of WWII must have been the inspiration for the Who's line, "Here comes the new boss, same as the old boss." We went to all that trouble to free Europe from Hitler, and they ended up with Stalin. We went to all that trouble to free Asia from Tojo, and they ended up with Mao.

Aren't we all just sweaty from the anticipation of finding out how the Arab Spring will work out?

How about the Pacific Front? Would the UK have been able to beat Japan while taking down Hitler?Yes, we were in a reasonably safe spot with an ocean on both sides. It's not clear that FDR would have entered the war if it were not for Pearl Harbor. Although my guess is that he would have.

Despite a long history of animosity toward England over the Revolution, the War of 1812, Britain siding with the Confederacy during the Civil War, and a large minority of our population wanting to enter WWI on the German side, Americans reviled Hitler and felt that any enemy of his was an ally of ours. I think his over-the-top antisemitism made the people of my parents' generation feel ashamed of themselves for their own slightly less violent prejudice against Afro-Americans. Fighting him was a way of atoning. Although being ordered to toss the Nisei into relocation camps allowed them to not become too kind to racial minorities. They didn't even allow very many Jewish refugees to land here.

I've always said that the resolution of WWII must have been the inspiration for the Who's line, "Here comes the new boss, same as the old boss." We went to all that trouble to free Europe from Hitler, and they ended up with Stalin. We went to all that trouble to free Asia from Tojo, and they ended up with Mao.

Aren't we all just sweaty from the anticipation of finding out how the Arab Spring will work out?

Ultimately the effects of Hitler are still being felt. The U.S built the Industrial-Military complex to beat the Industrial-Military complex.

Ultimately the effects of Hitler are still being felt. The U.S built the Industrial-Military complex to beat the Industrial-Military complex.But Stalin took over his role. It was Eisenhower who coined the term "military-industrial complex" and warned us about it. He was talking about our massive buildup to stare down the Russians, in the mid-1950s. The "defense industry" that drove our economy was a phenomenon of the Cold War, and collapsed precisely when the Soviet Bloc collapsed. We on the West Coast, whose economy was hardest hit, referred to it ironically as "the Perestroika dividend."

Look at how desperate the government and the corporations who prop it up are today, to keep us in a state of Cold War--which has morphed into Holy War. They've been unable to goad the Chinese into taking over the mantle from the Russians, because they figured out that economic domination is easier, more effective, and a whole lot less painful than military domination. There's nobody left who's crazy enough to do it except some of the Muslim nations

Ironically it actually was the Cold War that brought down communism, without ever trading shots except for a few proxy battles on our private chessboard, the Middle East. The American military-industrial complex only took about 15% of our GDP. We could not only afford it, it was our engine of prosperity. But for the Russians to spend an equivalent amount of money and match us tank for tank, bomber for bomber and nuke for nuke, they had to siphon off more than half of their GDP and it left the country impoverished. Since a communist economy produces a negative surplus, it was just a matter of time before it imploded.

Ironically it actually was the Cold War that brought down communism, without ever trading shots except for a few proxy battles on our private chessboard, the Middle East.

You seem to be overlooking a few other "chessboards" wherein (proxy) shots were fired during the Cold War: Latin America, Southeast Asia, eastern Europe, Africa, etc.

It's not clear that FDR would have entered the war if it were not for Pearl Harbor. Although my guess is that he would have.

Question isn't what FDR wanted to do - he's well known to have been looking for something to motivate Americans to join in when Pearl Harbor struck, and even accused of cultivating exactly such an event through policies towards Japan - but whether the American public would have gone along otherwise. If it were just a matter of FDR giving the thumbs-up, we'd have entered WWII substantially before that.

the british thats why he didnt ivade. to get the truth forget alot of what the victors put in there history books and study ww2 from both sides and also timeline of events and a little reading between the lines. hitler invaded contries he didnt want to invade because the brits entered that country,they coulnt enter turkey and brainwash them against the big bad hitler because the turks hated the brits.look at the patern were the trouble making brits go hitler is forced to follow.the british did nothing but insigate and worsen the war by puting there nose were it dont belong.notice the cowards would not attack thru france till the us got there,then maggot montgomery tried to weasle his way in the spot lite and claim the credit for victory over other nations like the us's hard work and soilders ultimate sacrafice.hitler knew first hand the brits cowardness and habit of retreating cause he pushed them to the sea so many times,thats 1 reason he put the roughly easy task of conqouring england on hold he knew the real threat was russia and a invasion of england didnt fit in with his barbarossa timeline.if u call running to the underground bunker every time england was bombed holding out then u most be british,which many of you dont know is that churchhill bombed civilians in berlin first. the should of been there on the main front in the down n dirty fighting instead of sending small token armys far away were there wasnt a huge presece of germans.fact 1 fdr lied to the american people when he said japan was unprovoked and of course peal harbor was the obviose and only target in range of japan. it was knowinglly sacraficed by the politicians as an excuse to enter the war and left on low allert status before the bombing. 2nd factthe was over by the time the us entered europe it was just a matter of time before russia entered berlin and got hitler himself,the race was on to carve up germany and keep the russians from getting as little a piece as posible of europe

It all started with a staged attack on German troops by Poland. He's set this up and used it to lead the German people into fighting a war.

Look up Hitler's Secret War. It's about his plans to build planes that could cross the Atlantic without refueling. The idea was to slam these planes into building in New York. Hitler felt that American's would crumble in fear and surrender. If Hitler had had Dick Cheney's Spring 2001 Oil Map, we might have had a tougher fight.

It all started with a staged attack on German troops by Poland. He's set this up and used it to lead the German people into fighting a war.

Look up Hitler's Secret War. It's about his plans to build planes that could cross the Atlantic without refueling. The idea was to slam these planes into building in New York. Hitler felt that American's would crumble in fear and surrender. If Hitler had had Dick Cheney's Spring 2001 Oil Map, we might have had a tougher fight.

Really?
Hitler was leading the way for Osama bin Laden? You really need to back that claim up with verifiable evidence... Conspiracy forums like Loose Change don't count.

It's quite simple: your opinion is uninformed because you don't know any actual history.
Your opinion is wrong because you claimed that Germany would beat England without US help (check how long England held out [i]before the US got involved) and that Russia would be beaten. Why didn't that happen IRL?

Yes, the mighty U.S. tipped the tide against the powerful Hitler. Thats no surprise. Yes, England was holding out, they were being bombarded by the Luftwaffe. Er? Look at the map?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/WWII_Europe_1941-1942_Map_EN.png

As you see Europe has fallen, except out on the pond. If the U.S. doesn't enter the war no bombs over Berlin in '42, war never is seen in Germany w/o USA.


How were Germany and Japan going to invade the US? Germany couldn't even manage to get an "invasion fleet" over 20 miles of the Channel, let alone a couple of thousand miles of Atlantic ocean.

Well, without the U.S aligned England holds out until Germany, and Japan put the pinch on Russia. Then England falls to the full invasion force of the 3rd reich. From there Germany mounts the invasion of the U.S. from German England, and German Russia with Japan occupying the Pacific Ocean continually. The East Coast winds up deserted, and we are able to hold up moving the capital to San Francisco and creating the Sierra Nevada-Rocky Mountain front. This is where alternate WW2 would end, Hitler still in power unable to advance.

A nation economically poor and just out of the war in the Balkans rejects the absolute invasion of England, France, Italy, Greece, Australia...
An intelligent leader what would you think? Hitler was much more 'aware of many people who write on this forum. Hear the words of Winston Churchill after the defeat ...

Who is the chicken: Hitler or Turkey? Turkey is turkey, a different kind of bird, so the answer must be Hitler. Am I correct, did I win?

Just shows you how bad the roads were.

lol so true. Hitler just does't not like turkeys for lunch.