Some even think that Mohammad was Satan. Pretty much all Xians think the Qur'an is the Devil's Recipe book.

Why?

Google "Muhammad possessed Satan" >14,100 hits in <0.36 seconds


Lets assume that Mohammad WAS a Prophet.
Lets assume that the Qur'an is from God.

Then why are Christians blind to this? Why do they think the exact opposite?


Just plain weird........

Simple. Because he said Christ is a prophet, not a son of God.

Clearly, he was misguided as per Christian dogma. To the Christians this is a sign that he was guided by the enemies of Christ, or Satan.

they were all "misguided", there is a special word for people who hear "the voice of god", ie Schizophrenia


Schizophrenia (pronounced /ˌskɪtsɵˈfrɛniə/ or /ˌskɪtsɵˈfriːniə/), from the Greek roots skhizein (σχίζειν, "to split") and phrēn, phren- (φρήν, φρεν-; "mind") is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a mental disorder characterized by abnormalities in the perception or expression of reality. Distortions in perception may affect all five senses, including sight, hearing, taste, smell and touch, but most commonly manifest as auditory hallucinations, paranoid or bizarre delusions, or disorganized speech and thinking with significant social or occupational dysfunction. Onset of symptoms typically occurs in young adulthood,[1] with approximately 0.4–0.6%[2][3] of the population affected. Diagnosis is based on the patient's self-reported experiences and observed behavior. No laboratory test for schizophrenia currently exists.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia

This is sad and these people deserve empathy. The nut jobs who follow them on the other hand are just delusional

I've known schizophrenics, they did not hear the voice of God.

Is schizophrenia absent in atheists?

umm no? (did i ever say it was?)

Not all Schizophrenia presents the same way but that is the most likly senario for these "prophet". Of course there is another group which should be called "proffits" like moses who were just trying to gain power amongst their followers.

Sam i challange you, walk to the local mental hospital and say "I hear the voice of god" (or even better "I am god") and see what they say and do

edit to add: In the immortal words of Billy Connoly "they wont even let you stop to get your fuckking Pyjamas":p (World tour of Australia from memory)

Is there a history of schizophrenics enumerating social norms and systems for economics, politics, family and institutions?

So, I decided to click on one of the links. Now, mind you, I am not a Christian. So I have no control over anything that Christians think, teach, say, etc.... I just find it interesting that so many, maybe all, Christians think Mohammad was probably possessed.


Here's something typical of one of the sites:

"God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and a sound mind" 2 Tim 1:7.

My conclusion is that Muhammad experienced a demonic visitation and it damaged his mental health. Satan or one of his demons appeared to Muhammad. This horrible experience terrorized him, depressed him, and caused him to attempt suicide. It made him mentally ill. However Satan protected his investment. When Muhammad was left alone the truth about what really happened depressed and frightened him. It would always surface in his mind. It was only through Satan's deceptive influence that kept Muhammad from killing himself. Finally, after a period of time, Muhammad's mind was seared. Satan had won a prize. Jesus said that Satan was a murderer from the beginning. As Muhammad went through the rest of his life, the more power he gained, the more dominion and conquest he sought, the more blood was shed. All the while, he kept telling himself and others what Satan had told him many years before, "I am the apostle of God."


Under our assumption that The Qur'an is the real deal, well, it's even more mind boggeling - Isn't it?!?!? I mean, these Christians are reading Gods words, reading the Qur'an, and STILL somehow they walk away thinking Mohammad was possessed by Satan.


I don't get it...

I don't get it...

Why not? Do you believe that all people think [or should think] alike?

Only one in every six persons in the world is Muslim, which means five in every six are not.

So sam, you willing to try it?

As i said, go to a local mental hospital and say "im the voice of god" and see what they say:p

No more than I would be willing to admit to nymphomania or homosexuality in other times.

Even the autistic have been put in mental institutions at one point. They actually gave out a nobel prize for lobotomy.

Why not? Do you believe that all people think [or should think] alike?

Only one in every six persons in the world is Muslim, which means five in every six are not.
Two things, well OK, three :)

1) Yes, but I normally don't hear Christians saying Buddha was possessed by Satan (although perhaps many would say that if quired?) why so much angst against Mohammad. Heck, I seem to even remember a Pope once saying as much.

Most Christians say Ron Hubbard was a conman - not Satan possessed.
Most Christians say Joseph Smith Jr was a conman - not Satan possessed.

But, Mohammmad, they are sure he was possessed by Satan.

WHY?

2) Doesn't it seem that if Christians read the Qur'an they'd understand that Mohammad MUST have been a prophet? I mean, if it's really, it seems like they'd be happy to know of a new prophet - as it would bring them closer to Jesus.


3) Is it a good thing to teach little children that Mohammad was Satan possessed? I mean, this is exactly what they are doing in Sunday schools all across the World. All across China little Chinese Christians are learning of the Satanic possession of Mohammad. Hmmmm.... could you see any negative ramifications from this sort of teaching, or, meh... it's all good, each to their own.

Did any of the others say anything about Christ?

Oh course, Ron said he was a reincarnated Christ.

Joseph Smith basically the American version of Mohammad. He added his book to the NT. For Mormons Joseph Smith was the Last Prophet.

Oh course, Ron said he was a reincarnated Christ.

Joseph Smith basically the American version of Mohammad. He added his book to the NT. For Mormons Joseph Smith was the Last Prophet.

and he was either a) a compleat nutter who needed hospitalisation or b) a conman who should have been thrown in jail for fraud

hey theres a through, could we charge all the churches with fraud for "Selling a product which doesnt exist"?

might be worth a try:)

Some even think that Mohammad was Satan. Pretty much all Xians think the Qur'an is the Devil's Recipe book.
.......

wha??? I've never heard that. :shrug: Was their a poll taken?

wha??? I've never heard that. :shrug: Was their a poll taken?
Oh course, just visit the first Baptist Church you come across and ask the Preacher is there's any chance of Mohammad being Satan? You won't be long before you hear yes.

The majority of Xians are 100% sure that Mohammad was possessed. Not Satan himself, but possessed by Satan. Or a Demon. Or both, you know, possession for awhile, then Mohammad lives his normal life, then Satan comes along and possesses him again. Like when he's reciting a verse, all of the would be Satan. The whole angel thing would be Satan. That's why there's the Satanic Verses.

RE: Joseph Smith
A descendent of Joseph Smith, Jr. who was Satanic Ritually Abuse victim, has quietly told certain people that her family is indeed a Satanic bloodline.

OK, now lets look for Ron HUbbard:
Not as easy to find as (a) Scientologists are pretty good about cleaning up the Net and (b) most Christians instead seem to think Scientology is a Scam?!??! They don't seem to realize it's a bonefide religion, like Islam and Mormonism. Weird......

anwyay:
Ron Hubbard Jr. remembers that when he was ten years old, his father, in an attempt to get his son in tune with his black magic worship, laced the young Hubbard's bubble gum with Phenobarbital. According to Ron Jr. drugs were an important part of Ron Jr.'s growing up, as his father believed that they were the best way to get closer to Satan--the Antichrist of black magic.

Yeah, those Christians, can't seem to accept other people have there own prophets and Gods. Nope. It's like they think Jesus is the LAST and the BIBLE is the ONLY PERFECT book from God and everyone else are "Satanic" (or at least corrupted/screwed up). Well, this has been the case for 2000 years and according to some people here - well, that's damn well proof enough it's good. Not only GOOD it GREAT! Maybe even Godly? It's great to teach kids that Muslims worship out of the Qur'an, also known as Satan's Bible. Yeah, that's never led to war in Iraq or anything.

Google "Muhammad possessed Satan" >14,100 hits in <0.36 seconds



Oh well, that proves it then,:bugeye:
Google "Cats love whisky"
611,000 for cats love whisky. (0.31 seconds)

Oh course, just visit the first Baptist Church you come across and ask the Preacher is there's any chance of Mohammad being Satan? You won't be long before you hear yes.

The majority of Xians are 100% sure that Mohammad was possessed. Not Satan himself, but possessed by Satan. .....

The majority are 100% sure? Well I think that's just crap you made up. There's not a single christian I know that believes that.

The majority are 100% sure? Well I think that's just crap you made up. There's not a single christian I know that believes that.

I'll agree with that. I was raised in the "bible belt" in a devoutly Christian home, and I've never heard anyone say that either. To the Christians I know, Mohamad was just man.

I'll agree with that. I was raised in the "bible belt" in a devoutly Christian home, and I've never heard anyone say that either. To the Christians I know, Mohamad was just man.


Exactly. Most Christians I know would tell you Mohammad was a kick ass boxer back in the day and they loved his movie.

Sorry, we had a poll and it's true.
And you can be a man and still be possessed by Satan.
Also, you need to ask Xian PREACHERS because these are the ones who tell Xians what to think.

:shrug:

Some even think that Mohammad was Satan. Pretty much all Xians think the Qur'an is the Devil's Recipe book.

Why?

Google "Muhammad possessed Satan" >14,100 hits in <0.36 seconds


Lets assume that Mohammad WAS a Prophet.
Lets assume that the Qur'an is from God.

Then why are Christians blind to this? Why do they think the exact opposite?


Just plain weird........

Why start the same thread twice? Is it a case of "keep on posting the same question till you get the answer you want" weird.

Wether muhammed was possessed or not is not an issue with me. The defining measure that is an issue of me is the message muhammed gave that is opposed to the message Jesus gave as to the will of God for men.

Anyone who preaches a message about the will of God that is contrary to the will of God as revealed by the Messiah Jesus is accursed according to scriptures.

So as one who believes Jesus i proclaim muhammed to be accursed.

Wether he was possessed or not is of no issue. Wether he obtained the quran from another source or compiled it from his own thinking is of no issue. The fact that it teaches things contrary to the teachings of Jesus makes it a deception and accursed.


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So, I decided to click on one of the links. Now, mind you, I am not a Christian. So I have no control over anything that Christians think, teach, say, etc.... I just find it interesting that so many, maybe all, Christians think Mohammad was probably possessed.


Here's something typical of one of the sites:

"God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and a sound mind" 2 Tim 1:7.

My conclusion is that Muhammad experienced a demonic visitation and it damaged his mental health. Satan or one of his demons appeared to Muhammad. This horrible experience terrorized him, depressed him, and caused him to attempt suicide. It made him mentally ill. However Satan protected his investment. When Muhammad was left alone the truth about what really happened depressed and frightened him. It would always surface in his mind. It was only through Satan's deceptive influence that kept Muhammad from killing himself. Finally, after a period of time, Muhammad's mind was seared. Satan had won a prize. Jesus said that Satan was a murderer from the beginning. As Muhammad went through the rest of his life, the more power he gained, the more dominion and conquest he sought, the more blood was shed. All the while, he kept telling himself and others what Satan had told him many years before, "I am the apostle of God."


Under our assumption that The Qur'an is the real deal, well, it's even more mind boggeling - Isn't it?!?!? I mean, these Christians are reading Gods words, reading the Qur'an, and STILL somehow they walk away thinking Mohammad was possessed by Satan.


I don't get it...

You don't get it???

Why don't you get it. You come across as a reasonably intelligent person who can comprehend simple examinations. So why can’t you comprehend what was said on the old thread on this issue and also what has been said on this thread?

Is it a case of "you don't get it" or a case of "you don't want to get it" ?


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Adstar,

The other thread was DO Xians think. This thread is WHY DO XIANS think....

See, threads get so sidetracked that I've decided making them straightforward and simple the better approach!

:)
Michael

Oh course, just visit the first Baptist Church you come across and ask the Preacher is there's any chance of Mohammad being Satan? You won't be long before you hear yes.

First you say that baptists preachers believe and preach that muhammed was satan: then you proclaim that:


The majority of Xians are 100% sure that Mohammad was possessed. Not Satan himself, but possessed by Satan.

So what is it Michael. LOL Make your mind up and please. First you say that Christians believe that muhammed was satan. then you say No Christians do not believe muhammed was satan but was possesed by satan.

I am a Christian by the way. I do not proclaim muhammed was satan asa statement of faith. Neither do i say that muhammed was possesed by satan as a statement of faith.

I believe muhammed was either taught a deception that is in rebellion against the will of the God of Abraham or he devised the deception himself.

personaly i believe he was visited by an angel of satan. As the bible reveals 1/3rd of the Angels are with satan in his rebellion against God. But again this is not a statement of faith, it is just a personal opinion.




Or a Demon. Or both, you know, possession for awhile, then Mohammad lives his normal life, then Satan comes along and possesses him again. Like when he's reciting a verse, all of the would be Satan. The whole angel thing would be Satan. That's why there's the Satanic Verses.

If it was an angel it in not nessecary that it was satan himself.


RE: Joseph Smith
A descendent of Joseph Smith, Jr. who was Satanic Ritually Abuse victim, has quietly told certain people that her family is indeed a Satanic bloodline.

Joseph Smith was the closest thing the west has ever had to a muhammed. But i am less convinced that he was visited by an angel. It seems he was influanced more by the secret teachings of the higher levels of masonry then by an angel. It seems that the masions did not like what he did and organised his killing when he was imprisoned. He seemed at the last moment to use the masion call of distress in an attempt to put his killers off:



"John D. Lee claimed that Joseph Smith used the exact words that a Mason is supposed to use in case of distress: "Joseph left the door, sprang through the window, and cried out, 'OH, LORD, MY GOD, IS THERE NO HELP FOR THE WIDOW'S SON!'"




Yeah, those Christians, can't seem to accept other people have there own prophets and Gods. Nope.

They cannot have other Gods because there is only One.



It's like they think Jesus is the LAST and the BIBLE is the ONLY PERFECT book from God and everyone else are "Satanic" (or at least corrupted/screwed up).

Thats true. There is only one way to the Father and that is through the Son, The Messiah Jesus.



Well, this has been the case for 2000 years and according to some people here - well, that's damn well proof enough it's good. Not only GOOD it GREAT! Maybe even Godly? It's great to teach kids that Muslims worship out of the Qur'an, also known as Satan's Bible. Yeah, that's never led to war in Iraq or anything.

It never did. Your right. No true followers of the Messiah Jesus take part in mortal combat. So none of those who are fighting or where fighting in Iraq are followers of Jesus.

It is Good to give warning to others caught up in deception. It is great when they hear the warning and are saved from that deception.


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Adstar,

The other thread was DO Xians think. This thread is WHY DO XIANS think....

See, threads get so sidetracked that I've decided making them straightforward and simple the better approach!

:)
Michael


Well now you know the answer. One i gave before in the other thread anyway.

So thats a wrap :)


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Come on Adstar, Baptists are a subset of Xians. The statements stand :) Anyway, Baptists are kind of like Taliban, they'll always go for throat when given a choice :D

I am a Christian by the way. I do not proclaim muhammed was satan asa statement of faith. Neither do i say that muhammed was possesed by satan as a statement of faith.

I believe muhammed was either taught a deception that is in rebellion against the will of the God of Abraham or he devised the deception himself.

personaly i believe he was visited by an angel of satan. As the bible reveals 1/3rd of the Angels are with satan in his rebellion against God. But again this is not a statement of faith, it is just a personal opinion.

If it was an angel it in not nessecary that it was satan himself.
not necessarily

That leaves the door wide open for YES it may have been Satan himself.


Anyway, the overall point is Mohammad was inspired by Satan, either via a daemon doing Satan's bidding OR Satan. And so the Qur'an is a work of Satan. I can only guess that the Qur'an is a means of Satan to lead Muslims away from Jesus.


Is it good to teach this sort of ideology? I often think no, no it is not.

Was Jesus really Satan sent to test the Jews???!!!!

Was Jesus really Satan sent to test the Jews???!!!!*beep beep* *beeeep BEEEEP* :splat:



hahaha....



Good point, I wonder, what do Jews think about Jesus again? I ofter heard they think he was a rebel-dog. One cool cat, but not in line with Loard. THE LOARD! :D
BUT, maybe some of the more serious would come to the conclusion that yes Jesus was Satanic in nature, but, this was probably part of THE LOARDS plan.

Loordy lordy lordy.... will you look at that ... ....

not necessarily

That leaves the door wide open for YES it may have been Satan himself.


Anyway, the overall point is Mohammad was inspired by Satan, either via a daemon doing Satan's bidding OR Satan. And so the Qur'an is a work of Satan. I can only guess that the Qur'an is a means of Satan to lead Muslims away from Jesus.


Is it good to teach this sort of ideology? I often think no, no it is not.

If one believes that there is only one way to eternity with God and that is through believing Jesus. Then to teach that a message that runs counter to this is wrong/ evil/ deception is not only a good thing to do. But it would be an incredible act of cruelty to keep silent about it. It would be like knowing there was a secret and lethal chemical dump in an area and allowing people to buy the land and build their new homes over it.

Teaching that islam is a false message never has motivated true Christians to violence against muslims. It has however motivated muslims to violence against true Christians. But that is to be expected. Jesus said we would be hated because of the truth we give.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Was Jesus really Satan sent to test the Jews???!!!!

Actually that was a claim made by jews against Jesus. that He was possessed by a demon and He was a blasphemer. They had Him killed for it.


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Come on Adstar, Baptists are a subset of Xians. The statements stand :) Anyway, Baptists are kind of like Taliban, they'll always go for throat when given a choice :D

What the hell is that supposed to mean? You're painting with a very broad brush.

But, Mohammmad, they are sure he was possessed by Satan.
WHY?
2) Doesn't it seem that if Christians read the Qur'an they'd understand that Mohammad MUST have been a prophet? I mean, if it's really, it seems like they'd be happy to know of a new prophet - as it would bring them closer to Jesus.
3) Is it a good thing to teach little children that Mohammad was Satan possessed? I mean, this is exactly what they are doing in Sunday schools all across the World. All across China little Chinese Christians are learning of the Satanic possession of Mohammad. Hmmmm.... could you see any negative ramifications from this sort of teaching, or, meh... it's all good, each to their own.
It is clear, all prophets after Abraham and Isaac are descendants of Jacob,
only Mohamed he is descendant of Ismael the son of Abraham and brother of Isaac.
So they dont want GOD send prophet who is not is not their descendants, although Jesus told them that GOD will send Mohamed but they change the bible and said that Jusus told us about (Holy spirit or Comforter)
U can search about this subject, and try to know the different between 'Perkilitos' and "Paraklatos'' and their relashion with the mean of name Mohamed

Some even think that Mohammad was Satan. Pretty much all Xians think the Qur'an is the Devil's Recipe book.

Why?

It's the horns. That's why he had to hide under a turban.

What turban?

The one he had to hide his horns under.

Arabs don't wear turbans, its too hot. You're thinking Disney or Danish cartoons.

Demons don't care about the heat.

Not true, I just killed a demon today in Aveyond with a fireball.

Is it good to think Mohammad was corrupted by Satan?

Not really, it only reinforces the delusion that there is a Satan.

Sam i challange you, walk to the local mental hospital and say "I hear the voice of god" You will not get a diagnosis of schizophrenia for saying you hear the voice of God, period. In fact you won't get any diagnosis at all for saying that alone.

Actually that was a claim made by jews against Jesus. that He was possessed by a demon and He was a blasphemer. They had Him killed for it.


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You mean some powerful jews labeled him that way. Other Jews were his followers or his mother, for example, or himself.

Jesus, a Jew, did not think that he was possessed by a demon.

You mean some powerful jews labeled him that way. Other Jews were his followers or his mother, for example, or himself.

Ok. I will accept it was a percentage of Jews. As for what percentage that was, It was enough to have Jesus executed without opposition in Jerusalem 3 years into His ministry.



Jesus, a Jew, did not think that he was possessed by a demon.

I disagree. Jesus was the Messiah the son of God born from the power of the Holy Spirit. He was born to a Jewish human mother and He had a body of flesh and blood but he was not a Jew, He was the Word made Flesh.


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So as one who believes Jesus i proclaim muhammed to be accursed.

The fact that it teaches things contrary to the teachings of Jesus makes it a deception and accursed.

Using the word “accursed” is practicing the belief one can speak something into existence in a credulous magical setting.

Puff the magic dragon will breathe fire down on those accursing. :rolleyes:

Anybody can take a fable and turn it into something thats going to get you. If you disbelieve then Puff has an eternal place for tormenting a nonbeliever. :bawl:

Not true, I just killed a demon today in Aveyond with a fireball.

LOL!:p

Some even think that Mohammad was Satan. Pretty much all Xians think the Qur'an is the Devil's Recipe book.

Why?

Google "Muhammad possessed Satan" >14,100 hits in <0.36 seconds


Lets assume that Mohammad WAS a Prophet.
Lets assume that the Qur'an is from God.

Then why are Christians blind to this? Why do they think the exact opposite?


Just plain weird........Not all Christians take this view, and some Christians are much more tolerant than others. You would be surprised, but there are even a few conservative Southern Baptists out there who are more educated and more tolerant than most supposedly "liberal" Christians out there. Just to admit to how improbable this may seem to someone who hasn't had much experience here, it floored me at first to realize it. Really, I think they are less "conservative" and more...more avid than usual Protestants. I've even encountered a couple who are fence-sitters on abortion, for goodness sake. My views on political lines have blurred so greatly, my former loathing toward conservatives has gotten more specific, toward the GOP's leadership. The GOP is without a doubt a criminal conspiracy, but I see the majority of conservatives, at this point, as mostly innocent in the matter.

I imagine that some Christians are prejudiced against Islam because they spent hundreds of years of their history dedicating their entire lives to endeavoring to wipe each other out. It probably stemmed mostly from a political hatred between the Romans and various Middle and Near Eastern cultures. I think it was an existing feud that only metamorphosed into a religious dispute later on.

Who is that Satan of yours ?!!!.
Bush, Blair , Sharon or more than them ?.

Jesus...was born to a Jewish human mother and He had a body of flesh and blood but he was not a Jew...

Pray tell... WHY not / HOW so.

Cite each and every pertinent Scripture supporting your contention.

Do NOT spout cultic opinions/ideas predicated upon intellectual 'ruminations' of theological dogma.

Does Satan look like Donald Rumesfeld or better ?.

Pray tell... WHY not / HOW so.

Cite each and every pertinent Scripture supporting your contention.

Do NOT spout cultic opinions/ideas predicated upon intellectual 'ruminations' of theological dogma.

Here are a couple of biblical verses supporting your disputation.
"Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him." Matthew 2:2

Pilate questioned Him, "Are You the King of the Jews?" And He answered him, "It is as you say." Mark 15:2, Luke 23:3

Originally Posted by Adstar
Jesus...was born to a Jewish human mother and He had a body of flesh and blood but he was not a Jew...

The New Testament lists Jesus lineage presenting he was a Jew, indeed.

Luke 3:23 through 3:38 represents the lineage of Jesus from Adam to Abraham to King David's son Nathan to Salathiel and Zorobabel to Joseph.
Matthew 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Matthew 1:17 So all the generations
from Abraham to David are fourteen generations;
and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations;
and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

I always wondered how Pilate's conversation with him got out???

I always wondered how Pilate's conversation with him got out???

Gossip.

Ok. I will accept it was a percentage of Jews. As for what percentage that was, It was enough to have Jesus executed without opposition in Jerusalem 3 years into His ministry.
This implies that it was somehow a democracy and that since the complainers managed to get it through they had some majority. Are yoiu antisemitic?



I disagree. Jesus was the Messiah the son of God born from the power of the Holy Spirit. He was born to a Jewish human mother and He had a body of flesh and blood but he was not a Jew, He was the Word made Flesh. God chose a Jewish woman to be the mother of God. He placed this person in amongst Jews and Jews became his followers and friends and family. If you want to argue that Jesus was not Jewish this way, he certainly was not anything else. But genetically and socially and by upbringing and theologically he was Jewish. He came to fulfill the OT not some other religions texts or beliefs.

This implies that it was somehow a democracy and that since the complainers managed to get it through they had some majority. Are yoiu antisemitic?

I thought that antisemitic tag would come out from you sooner or later. The answer to your question is No i am not antisemitic, in fact the most wonderful woman i have ever encountered in my life was a Jewish woman who was a Messianic Jew. If i was ever going to marry a woman in my life it would have been her. My deep wish is for the salvation of the Jewish people.

As for democracy, Yeah democracy exists in even the most dictatorial powers. When people believe an issue is of vital importance no Authority can rule when the majority of their people are willing to kill and die for an issue that the authority opposes.



God chose a Jewish woman to be the mother of God.

He chose the Jewish people also but that was not because of their righteousness. He decided to create a nation and place them at the central crossroads of world civilization, between Africa Asia and Europe. For His purpose. He did not do it for the purpose of the Jews.

So if the Word wants to become flesh and chooses to be born, then yeah He must choose a woman to enter into. Is this because this woman is worthy, pure and perfect enough to be the mother of God? No. That type of thinking starts a cult. Lets call it the Mary cult... oh that has already started hasn't it.

Anyway if Jesus inherited Mary's DNA then he would have inherited her human fallen state and would not have been sinless. He was a product of the Holy Spirit. 100%.




He placed this person in amongst Jews and Jews became his followers and friends and family. If you want to argue that Jesus was not Jewish this way, he certainly was not anything else.

I am not arguing He was anything but 100% sinless. He was like Adam in that God did not need a woman to create Adam.

1 Corinthians 15
45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.


Romans 5
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.




But genetically and socially and by upbringing and theologically he was Jewish. He came to fulfill the OT not some other religions texts or beliefs.

Talk about backward thinking. So The WORD obtained His theological thinking from the Jews? No. It was the other way around if you believe the Jews obtained their scriptures from God / Word / Spirit . Jesus is the Word and was before Abraham.

John 8
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

So to say that Jesus was a product of the Jewish culture is to deny that He is the WORD. The great "I AM'.

So i have to disagree with you on nearly all your points here. Jesus was not a normal human being with all the built in flaws every man has had since Adam obtained the knowledge of good and evil. And He did not come to His teachings / theology by being taught them by men.



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You do know JC was 100% jew?

Rabbi, took up his father's business, his mother thought he was the son of god, how much more jewish can you get?

Gentiles stole the religion, but Jesus came for the Jews.

You do know JC was 100% jew?

Rabbi, took up his father's business, his mother thought he was the son of god, how much more jewish can you get?

Gentiles stole the religion, but Jesus came for the Jews.

:D The Gentiles believed Him. they did not seek to steal Him from the Jews. The Majority of the Jews rejected Him. They threw Him out'

Isaiah 65
1 “I was sought by those who did not ask for Me;
I was found by those who did not seek Me.
I said, ‘Here I am, here I am,’
To a nation that was not called by My name.
2 I have stretched out My hands all day long to a rebellious people,
Who walk in a way that is not good,

Psalm 118
21 I will praise You,
For You have answered me,
And have become my salvation.
22 The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
23 This was the LORD’s doing;
It is marvelous in our eyes.

Mark 12
1 Then He began to speak to them in parables: “A man planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a place for the wine vat and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. 2 Now at vintage-time he sent a servant to the vinedressers, that he might receive some of the fruit of the vineyard from the vinedressers. 3 And they took him and beat him and sent him away empty-handed. 4 Again he sent them another servant, and at him they threw stones, wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully treated. 5 And again he sent another, and him they killed; and many others, beating some and killing some. 6 Therefore still having one son, his beloved, he also sent him to them last, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 7 But those vinedressers said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.’ 8 So they took him and killed him and cast him out of the vineyard.
9 “Therefore what will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and destroy the vinedressers, and give the vineyard to others. 10 Have you not even read this Scripture:


‘ The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
11 This was the LORD’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’?”

12 And they sought to lay hands on Him, but feared the multitude, for they knew He had spoken the parable against them. So they left Him and went away.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

:D The Gentiles believed Him. they did not seek to steal Him from the Jews. The Majority of the Jews rejected Him. They threw Him out'

Of course, Jews expect real messiahs to deliver. No deliver - false messiah.
JC definitely failed to deliver and was discarded like all te other false messiahs at the time.

They were a dime a dozen you know.