View Full Version : Why liberal radio is doomed.
03-26-04, 12:47 AM
Liberals are anti-business.
Obviously, that doesn't make for good business (for a slew of reasons).
I agree liberal radio is doomed, but for different reasons. Quite simply, liberal radio is an attempt to match the gutter-politics of conservative talk radio, and if there's one thing history demonstrates clearly, you cannot sell properly the enlightenment of liberalism by stooping to that level of superstition.
However, in terms of bad business, NPR, of all groups, seems to have screwed up (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22431-2004Mar24.html), quite possibly in response to "liberal radio".
03-26-04, 01:00 AM
Liberals are anti-business? How so?
03-26-04, 01:17 AM
I should say generally "not pro-business" liberal policy in the US at least is generally "don't bend to meet the needs of corporate america" whereas conservatives are more "corporate america is driving the engine of the economy so their requirements (even sometimes increasing either perceived or real dangers to public safety, etc.) are very important".
So I guess "anti-business" is maybe an over-statement depending on your perspective. I suppose it clearly illustrates my own, as I slant more toward free market for the most part. I do believe any successful form of society/government will have a socialistic type safety net for the 'economically challenged' who require it.
03-26-04, 02:49 AM
Wes, did you just say you are an economicaly right wing socialist?
03-26-04, 09:34 AM
LOL, sort of. I'm just sayign that I think any "evolved" society has a safety net for the "economically challenged" that both ensures their basic welfare and promotes their economic self-sustenance as much as is feasible. Besides that safety net I think the most efficient and fair means of distributing resources is the free market, with a government attempting to ensure the playing field is as fair as is feasible. Something like that. does that make me an economically right wing socialist? Kind of I guess. ;)
03-26-04, 10:24 AM
I'm not quite sure liberal talk radio is doomed. If they find more people like Al Franken, then they might enjoy some level of success. (This is assuming they can get steady funding from willing advertisers, which MAY be a small problem because I agree that big business is no friend of liberalism)
One of the many problems with liberals is they come across as angry, bitter, and have little to no sense of humor. Al Franken is funny and intelligent. I may not agree with him that much, but I find him entertaining. There seems to be a shortage of people like him on the left.
03-26-04, 10:35 AM
Yeah I'm not sure about it either. It was just a thought.
I find Franken entertaining when he's not talking politics. When he is he just makes me sick so I'm not very entertained, but you do have a point in that fellas like him could make it go... at least for a while.
They might have a real problem though if they can't find any sponsors because they spend their time railing on potential sponsors. ;) Can you imagine Michael Moore's attempt at a talk show? Ya think anyone would advertise with him?
03-26-04, 03:40 PM
If they find more people like Al Franken, then they might enjoy some level of success.
I'm not too optimistic about that. Franken is a hilarious writer, but I really cant stand to sit and listen to him speak. Not a very good public speaker if you ask me. And his best humor seems to be well researched, which he may have trouble doing on such a regular platform as a radio show.
As for a Michael Moore talk show, I say why not? He is about as left wing as Sean Hannety is Right. But I would prefer he sticks to his documentary film making. In fact, I donít look forward to the rise of liberal radio, if it does happen. Because then Ill have to stop listening to conservative talk radio, and how will I ever know what is stuck up your craw's if I donít listen to the base simian howling that is the Sean Hannety show?
Besides, when I want to relax with some liberal talk radio, I just turn on NPR.
03-26-04, 03:57 PM
Yeah man, Hannity pisses me off. Ack. You're right that about Mikey Moore, but I seriously don't think Mikey could get a show because no corporation would give him the advertisement dollars to support the endeavor.
Liberal radio fails because its audience is too fragmented. The liberal left is made up of different minority groups which might not have much in common. For example gays may not be interested in black issues or the feminine left may not relate to the plight of the mexican alien worker. Each group becomes part of the liberal left out of default. They simply do not relate to the right which tends to be monolithicaly made up of the religious,anglo-saxon white americans.
Each minority group has a voice but the liberal left fails to unite all groups as an audience. The right does not have that problem thus their success.
03-26-04, 08:06 PM
All American parties are liberal in practice. Both the right and left simply throw out issues to get votes and posit short-term solutions that solve nothing. The only difference between republicans and democrats is the environmental issue.
03-30-04, 05:40 PM
All American parties are liberal in practice.
Conservative is as conservative does.
This liberal radio network is taking over a station in NY that had until recently been a resource for the Carribean community in the city.
This is the kind of thing one would expect a liberal radio station to be concerned about. This station won't be a success because it's largely going to be shilling for the democratic party, and that is going to be boring. The right-wing stations are outragously right-wing, going far beyond anything that republican politicians will say publicly, and this gives it its appeal.
This is the kind of thing one would expect a liberal radio station to be concerned about. This is why liberals shouldn't stoop to match their conservative opponents.
This is why liberals shouldn't stoop to match their conservative opponents.
Yeah, I had missed your earlier post in this thread. Thats another problem with this concept. The truth of the matter is that a real progressive agenda isn't comaptible with the format.
Its also worth noting that the Pacifica Foundation still exists, commercial free, with genuinely left-wing programming.
04-02-04, 12:01 AM
Oh no, we're doomed.:bugeye:
(Wes sed so)
Does this mean I must close my business too?
Having given it a listen, I'd say "liberal radio" is doomed for one simple reason: It sucks.
The best thing about it is the damn commercial about keeping your kids in school.
04-03-04, 02:53 AM
. . .they come across as angry, bitter, and have little to no sense of humor.
But on the same note this describes pretty much every conservative pundant I can think of. Certainly just about everyone on FOX News, and my local right wing talk radio station. I think that politics just does that to people, makes 'em bitter and angry.
04-04-04, 01:51 AM
But on the same note this describes pretty much every conservative pundant I can think of.
I'm sorry if you find this question offensive, but were you going for "pundit" or "pedant" here? Or is this supposed to be a clever amalgam and extrapolation of both words?
Just curious, buddyroo.
On an unrelated note,
I believe in a thing called love!
Just listen to the rhythm of my heart!
On a related note,
As Tiassa stated, liberal radio fails inevtiably on account of its ineffable, unfathomable suckiness.
04-04-04, 05:12 PM
We're conditioned for slickness, and so used to being titillated by hype, that unrefined upstarts disappoint.
It's not because these new stations are liberal that they suck. It's because they are new. You can lead an audience to fodder, but you can't make them think. If and when a comparable amount of funding and effort is applied to alternative media it will be lapped up just as enthusiastically as Limbaugher and Hammity which, for all the glitzy packaging, also happens to stink.
04-09-04, 07:25 AM
Liberal radio's big problem for me is that I don't like to listen to someone telling me something that I already know.
If I was a die hard conservative I couldnt listen to right wing radio for the same reason. Why do some people need an elitest right wing radio-let's face it- spoiled baby chickenhawk DJ's, tell them how to think?
I just happened onto this site accidentally and this will be my one and only post. I find it hilarious that liberals still believe their failed ideology is an "enlightened" view. They think that government should be able to tax the people that are actually providing jobs to such an extent that they can no longer hire people to do work. Then, they believe that the government should take care of the ones put out of work. Not to mention the fact they want the government to provide "free" health care, pensions, transportation (I heard one on the radio saying that the government should provide free cars), child care, and the list goes on and on. They believe that "evil" corporations should all be put out of business and their revenues seized and that anyone who works hard and succeeds in life should have their livelihoods seized as well. After all, they must have done something evil to actually earn that much money. The ultimate end to their common line of thinking is that the government will ultimately own everything, the government will be the only employer, there will be no incentive to innovate because you will gain nothing from it, and we will decline into a third world country. An outrageous statement? Nope, describes perfectly what happened to the Soviet Union. After all, liberals are really just Communist wannabes serving at the feet of Marx. Liberal talk radio will only "succeed" if it can get money from public tax coffers to fund its brand of lunacy. Liberals don't really want to spend their own money on something they can get taxpayers to pay for and corporations (otherwise known as advertisers) aren't going to fund through commercials a bunch of wackos looking to put them out of business. I would love to see the "business" plan that allowed these guys to get on the air in the first place. I will just have to stay one of the great unwashed that still dreams of getting ahead here, so you can try to confiscate the earnings from my labor, rather than one of your "enlightened" elitist ilk.