What do you guys think. Is World War 3 on its way? Already started? Is it about to end?

yeah... I do think this is the start of WW3, but it has nothing to do with a silly 'prophet'. Nothing he said could have stopped those indescribably cruel men from killing 10,000's of people and destroying national landmarks. We must NEVER downplay this, because it is an attack on America and all Americans. It is WWIII not in the sense of a complicated alliance-based all out war like WWII, but in that we will have to eradicate terrorism-all terrorism-all over the world and it will involve all of us together...this is nothing new, we have always needed to do this, now we have the reason to pursue this.

WW3? Wasn't that the Cold war????

Get with the times it's about WW4-5 now, if of course it turns to full blown war, I don't think it will unless the press manipulates it so.

If anything this might be the catalyst for better relations with other countries, So the people that have died in these Terrorist attacks might have become martyr's to a new dawning of understanding through working with our fellow man, Of course the question "is everybody going to turn Genephobic? or will it work out the other way with People standing sdie by side in unison to crush continued terrorism on all fronts?"

After all if terrorism is to be crushed for one ally through the others coming to their side, should they not too have their cases of terrorism crushed also?

Once again that quote from Nostradamus is fake. It was made up to show how gullible people are and it worked. It'll probably be in an e-mail inbox near you soon. Someone already brought this up on Slashdot.

According to a local radio station Nostradamus is batting a 200. Considering how much he wrote that's really bad. I wouldn't take it seriously even if he did actually write it. Anything less that 50% is usually considered a lucky guess. He's got 20% accurracy. He's no prophet. Just someone who know how to be vague and is in touch with world issues.

Stryder:

The "Cold War" wasn't a real war hence "Cold" as in no fighting. Just a mutual fear.

Whether or not this turns into a war has nothing to do with the press. Besides this is already a war. We're just looking for the enemy. If you've been watching the news you would hear the attack on New York and DC refered to as "an act of war."

You should pay attention more. You'll learn much.

Ben

I would still say the Cold war was a war, A war of Propaganda, a war of spreading lies and rumours to continue a fear that was never allowed to rise.

As an Act of war I think not unless a country is proved behind the hiring of these men as mercenary. Unless you mean an Act of war on terrorism, after all Ben did you not realise that the statement at first was adorned by the press and the military (most definitely the military, but that's what they are there waiting for, and war is money and premotions.)

As for paying attention I do, I must of read your statement to reply, otherwise I would be cowering, and thats not something I'm going to do as I realise your a challenging kind of guy.. and I respect that.

I heard the idea that this would lead the world into war from the Howard Stern Show at about 11am on Tuesday morning. I was thinking war before I even heard that. As soon as I realized what exactly happened I knew this was too big to not go to war over. I told a reporter for the local Tribune an hour or so later I thought it would lead to war. She was taken back by that. It wasn't something the media brought to air until several hours if not a day later. At least until after the Bush speech the first night.

It's not a media thing. This is reality. It's a war and should not be trivialized with accusations of people looking for money and promotions. That's absolutly absurd. We have a real and apparent reason to go to war and that is what we are doing.

Ben

And when the shopping precinct in Manchester, England was blown up, Where was our war? When a Spanish Judge is blown up in a car or people boarding a plane are threatened, Who claims war for them? When South Africa has bombs explode and people killed over their car's who claims war for them?

The first act of war for all you know could have been the assasination of a Palestinian Leader, which mimics something that occured at the beginning of one of our world wars (Austria)

The other question here, is who do you have a war with if you can't find the enemy as a whole people, what if you find that geurilla's take an area of a country for their own and then go into hiding of it, does it mean you blame that country, which probably can't police itself because of poverty and trade embargo's.

Seriously, this time I don't think the world should be pushed into war, Legislation yes, war.. no, peace keeping, perhaps if it's found necessary.

I know some of you americans will want blood, But some other peoples of the world don't work like that and this is especially seen in war crimes commisions, perhaps that would be a better use for the want of war, you want the characters brought to justice under war crimes, now that could be arranged.

The word "war" when used in the term "cold war" is purely metaphorical. That was basically a bunch of people standing in their doorways saying "i don't like you", I think it lessens what people who fought in WWI and WWII did to compare the cold war with those global atrocities.

I definitely have fear that this could lead to WWIII. I hope our governement isn't inclined to drag the entire world into war over this. And I hope we're all intelligent enough to know that military action alone is not going to put a stop to terrorism, that's been proven time and time again. The problem goes a lot deeper than mere violence can penetrate.

I'm a little concerned at the comments of both my fellow Americans AND of the comments of the people from other countries here. I, for one, have expected an attack of this sort on American soil for a long time, and I'm quite frankly surprised it took so long for someone to do it. And while I don't think ANYONE really deserves to have something like this happen to their friends and/or family members, I'm amazed that we Americans are so surprised. We have, after all, been the global bully both militarily and financially for a good long time, without showing remorse for our ruthless pursuit of "me me me". At the same time, I'm amazed that so many people from OTHER countries have such a "holier than thou" attitude toward us. None of your governments are squeaky clean either. We may be the single most powerful country both econimically and militarily, but that does not make our leaders any more or less slimy than anyone elses, it just gets us a little more global hate because no single country can really threaten us. And for All my fellow Americans that are so blood thirsty right now, It's naive to think that we can just do anything we want anywhere in the world without the possibility of consequences. We don't want to turn the entire world against us, if it ever turns out to be the world against the US we'll have to run home with our tail between our legs and worry about defending our homeland.

Now I'm not sure I believe that even if every country in the world came to invade the US that it would be successful. Mostly because if that happens your not just dealing with our military, your dealing with a country that's given it's people enough freedom to become EXTREMELY well armed in the private sector too, foreign forces would not be dealing with farmers with pitchforks and machetes, but with people of every sort who are as well or better armed than some third world countries' military forces. But I don't have any illusions about the US being able to defeat everyone else at the same time. In any event, lets hope it never comes to that, for all of our sakes, because I think that US policy would be to destroy everything if it looks like we're going to fall. And unfortunately for everyone, we have the capability to make the entire world a very inhospitable place for a very long time.

We the people of the world have a lot of growing up to do. We as a species seem to be unconcerned with behaviors that I personally believe are leading to self-extinction. We are overpopulated, we're so concerned with money (and that goes for all of us) that we don't care that we're destroying the hospitality of our environment for future generations. We're messing around with our DNA without really understanding what long term consequences may be. We think we're completely separated from the healthy weeding out process that is natural selection.

I fear for the future of the human race, and to tell the truth I think war should be the least our worries. The idea of cloning children for people who can't have children naturally scares me a lot more, because that's basically thumbing our nose at natural selection, and we've all seen that nature can dish out horrors that make anything we can do look silly by comparison. When we start ignoring the natural checks and balances we were given by whatever greater powers may or may not be (and we have), we have much bigger things to worrie about than planes being flown into buildings or bombs being dropped on cities. Those are just symptoms of a much graver problem.

KALVINB


No actually that statement wasnt made up. It came from actual quatrains across the internet on different sites, before I even knew of sciforums. I already saw the fake one posted on this site.

No, no, no, not a war, please.
It makes things worse, don't you see?
That is just what they want..........A big war.
Don't get into that trap, please.

No war, please, no war, I am so afraid Nature will not survive another war, for it will be a nuclear war.
I am so afraid, no war, please, think about our Earth.
We live here, we all do.
There must be a solution...
Somehow.

Banshee, at first I felt the same way you do.

Now I'm not so sure. I'm starting to think that a war that greatly reduces the number of people on the planet may be the only hope future generations have of not only living in a hospitible environment, but of having the opportunity to build a more nature-friendly society.

I don't think it's nature itself you need to worry about, but the ability of the people to live with it. I'm of the opinion that nature itself is a lot less fragile than our one species. There is plenty of life on this planet that could adapt to conditions we could not, and human overpopulation is a real and tangible problem, at least for humans it is. We are no true danger to nature.

There will be a war because whoever did this is not going to just take their punishment. We might as well face the fact that we're going to war. If Afganastan makes good on it's word it will be a very large and bloody battle and no doubt it will seep into our borders again.

It will be bad for a time but when the dust settles it will be good.

Violence only begets violence if you can't stand behind your punches.

Ben

I have seen "Cold War" mentioned several times in this thread. I watched a historian on Tv today who claimed that the "Cold War" was, in truth, the final gasp of WWI. I think that the war with terrorism has been waged for many past years in the Middle East and Europe. It has now escalated beyond its past confines. Once again, America is dragged into another battle.

This is exactly what those terrorists want. To set up moslims to no moslims. Especially that Bin Laden. He is laughing there in his dessert or where ever he may be. They want USA to go fighting, so Bin Laden can say You see, I am right, all Americans are bad news.

Well, I have news for him. Let him come out and let me have him for half an hour. I assure you I won't kill him.
Just a little torture, nothing more. Put out his nails and that kind of stuff. Maybe I too have a knife, a not so sharp one, so it hurts more when I start to carve in him.....

Bring him to me, I know some really nasty tortures.....

But he is a coward, why doesn't he show up and fight straight.
Not like this.......
All those people, it is to terrible for words, to terrible........

But a war is not the solution, no, please, no......
:rolleyes:

Banshee, I agree with your statement 'please no war' but I still dont think it's right to torture them. That would only force more violence. Stick 'em in prison.

yeah well we have to catch them first

Originally posted by Elbaz
KALVINB

No actually that statement wasnt made up. It came from actual quatrains across the internet on different sites, before I even knew of sciforums. I already saw the fake one posted on this site.

:rolleyes: I'm wondering where all those psychics where, when we really needed them? You know that you can't trust the military or CIA, they're always asleep at the wheel. But what happened to Sister Cleo? To Richard Hoaglund? To all those people that come on the 'Art Bell Show' and 'Dreamland', hey you missed your chance to prove you actually can see into the future. I missed all the psychics barricading the World Trade Center, to save all those lives. Where were the phone trees & email spams? I'm sure a few people woke up to their horoscopes & personal psychics, why the silence until after the fact? Could be, it doesn't work?
:confused: :D :( :rolleyes:

About the Nostradamus thing, couldn't someone have just based his actions on the quote? It's the other way around: instead of predicting the future, it's making the prophesy happen.

About a war, that's incredibly crazy, as well as disastrous for the entire world. What about the stocks? What will happen later on, when the falling rates decline and the world is thrown into another depression? It's kind of embarrassing actually, because the minute I heard about the attack, I immediately thought about the money lost and the falling dollar value. Of course I thought about the casualties, but it came second instead of first. Well, that's just my reflection. Call me hard-hearted, call me insensitive, but for once, think about the future, not the present.

Prophecy works this way:

There will be another major manmade disaster in the east coast in the next 8 years.

Why?
If we do not solve this problem - there is a greater chance...
East Coast? Too many people, terrorists can come by way of Canada and hide and get most bang for the effort.
8 years? 1993 to 2001, so lay low until everybody is comfey...

If it does not happen, no one will remember. If it happens, I can say, aha! I told you so.

Such is the power of prediction.

About Economy: It will pick up steam in 2 months.

Why?
The Governments in US, UK, Germany will spend a lot of money on IT related work to improve the infrastructure (presently it is dismal). That will create new jobs in computer, telecomm, disaster preparedness, etc. which inturn will help other industries. In the meantime, the transporation industry will get revamped at the expense of airline....and so on...

Perhaps a lot of psychics have felt very uneasy for several weeks before the attack.
Yeah, easy talking after the disaster happened.
But you never know, real psychics rarely speak of what they feel.
Maybe some one told them once too many that he/she is a crazy fool.
So psychics feel uneasy and tell themselves it will be the ful moon or something like that......

Til the disaster happens and they feel real cold inside and sad and some of them have to cry, til now, every day, because all those lives are gone.....taken by terrorists.
No one, really no one, has the right to take the life from another human being.

And maybe the time has come to listen better and pay more attention to things happening around you. Who can tell what you will see, really see.....

Maybe some one told them once too many that he/she is a crazy fool.
Hi Banshee...How are you today? :D

Prophecy can be self-fulfilling.

I don't know the exact words of Nostradamus, but I know that the interperetation has been that the 3rd big war would with start with an attack on New York (except that the interperetation I was given was that it would be a nuclear attack). Although, there WAS no New York when there was a Nostradamus and no nuclear weapons, so that interperetation is probably pretty open to debate.

But it doesn't really matter what the correct interperetation is, does it? Just how some, would-be fulfiller decides to interperet it. I don't know who brought it up, but it's a neat theory as to motivation.

Assuming it's correct, I wonder if it really was the correct button to push to start WWIII. In fact, even if the theory is way off the mark, I wonder if it was "the button".

There is a documentary movie I saw in TLC or History channel on prophecy. That is where it talks about Nostradamus and the prophecy is that there will be a great war faught after a huge fireball devastation in a new city. The WTC may not be in the prophecy.

Here is another:

"Then the great empire of the Antichrist will begin where Attila and Xerxes descended (Central Asia and Persia/Iran) -- in numbers great and countless, so many that the coming of the Holy Ghost, proceeding from the 48th degree will make a transmigration, driving out the abomination of the Antichrist [who is] making war against the Royal who will be the great Vicar of Jesus Christ, and against his Church, and his reign for a time and to the end of time."

"And this will be preceded by a solar eclipse more dark than any since the creation of the world..., and there shall be in the month of October some great movement and transference and it will be such that one will think that the Earth has lots its natural movement, and that it will be plunged into the abyss of perpetual darkness; there will be initial omens in the spring, and extraordinary changes in rapid succession thereafter, reversals of kingdoms and mighty earthquakes, with the increase of the new Babylon..., augmented by the abomination of the first Holocaust, and it will last no less than 73 years and 7 months..."

"And then great peace will be established, union and concord between the children of the frontiers who have been gathered and separated by diverse reigns..."


This looks like far future and can be a meteor stike which means in next 1000 years...as per scientific prediction.

73 years and 7 months, huh? In my opinion, that's a pretty fair estimate of how long a war on terrorism could take. With the third world war mixed in, of course. I have this bad feeling that the third world war will be in full swing by the time we realize it.

WWIII is not going to happen until we have 100,000+ lives lost in one co-ordinated attack on USA, or UK, or Germany.

One thing bothers me. The Moslem terrorists for some reason do not like USA and UK. Nobody talks about Germany (no.3 economy) France, Italy, Japan (they have to learn Japanese - it is a closed society). Why is that?

I also wonder, if a few terrorists came here and found out, they can be as free as they want in USA and forgot their terrorist duties? May be we could recruit them into CIA?

I'm thinking that slowly but surely, the entire world is going to come to armed conflict with one neighbor or another and/or be involved in serious internal conflicts because of this one attack on New York City. And that someday, in the relatively near future, we are going to realize that the entire world is at war without having planned on it. I think that the third world war can creep up on us, without our consent.

There have been over 15 000 wars in the history of mankind. What makes you guys so confident with the present world situation that another one couldnt happen? Nobody every expected the mongols to dominate the world, but it just happened and the Romans were dissolved. I highly doubt the same would happen to the USA any time soon but the religious unrest is stirring the pot. Religious fundies seem to be taking over

For the last 15 years, I have been warning people (including in this forum) to watch out the Moslem Crusade. No body believed - and still do not believe it. There you have it...

Originally posted by Elbaz
it says in the bible code, the third and final world war will start.
Do you really think God hides things so thoroughly, that you need a computer to use algorithms to find these hidden nuggets?



There have been over 15 000 wars in the history of mankind.
That many? Boy are we in trouble!!



Although I highly doubt the same would happen to the USA but this thing is turning into a holy war, They want everyone to be Muslim and they dont mind if they kill everyone in the process.
True, they feel that Moses & Jesus were true Muslims & that the original Torah & Gospels were early versions of the Quran, it's just that us devious followers corrupted the truth, (we're so terrible, while Muslims could never & would never do anything like that, & the 'satanic verses' are just a scandalous myth too), that's why Mohammad was the 'seal' of the prophets, no more prophets or false gospels.



Just wait, its stupid and ignorant fools like you that will let it happen.:p I cant wait to tell you all, 'I told you so!!'
You need some sleep kid, stop drinking coffee & stop watching the news till the wee hours of the night!!

Originally posted by kmguru
I also wonder, if a few terrorists came here and found out, they can be as free as they want in USA and forgot their terrorist duties? May be we could recruit them into CIA?
That would be nice, seems that a few where here for 2 years & hid their true feelings until the end.

I think that American muslims should convene a council & declare the 'fatwah' Jihad officially over. That like the 'Nisei' Japanese-Americans of the 100/442 during WWII (the most decorated US unit, Medal of Honor, Distinguished Service & Purple Heart), they enlist to help us fight all enemies of the republic. When I was at Air Force boot camp in 1973, there was a Pakistani in our flight (training squadron). So I know that some would defend us.

Kmguru, can you explain what you mean, some reply's above.
With that question How Are You Today???

Did I do something wrong? Wrote something wrong?
Tell me please.
Thank you.

Very good point Randolfo. We should work with the American Moslem group to keep this type of stuff ever happening again. But the reality is that there are fanatic Christians that will take offense to working with any other religious group.

Are you getting paranoid Banshee?

How are you has a different meaning than if I would have said How are you feeling today?

Lately, you are so jumpy...bad food...mushrooms...perhaps? :D

No, no mushrooms or what so ever Kmguru.
Just a bad feeling.
And it won't go.
So please, no teasing, thank you.

Now, you are getting into the groove...Banshee...

PM me if you need some help.

Thank you Kmguru.
Maybe I hold you to that.

Back to our World War 3

The chess game has already started. It is unlikely that anyone will plot anything against us without watching what is unfolding. We will have Calm before the next storm.

I belive that this War on terror is bullshit we are terriorizing them and also we trained Bin Laden and gave them weapons etc in hte 1980s We also aided Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass distruction and guns ,etc to kill Iranies also in 2000-01 gives Taliban ruled Afganistan $258 Million dollors in aid and Osama uses his tactics that the CIA provided to the terriorsts and attacked on 9-11-01. So its kind of Americas fault.

Operation Iraqi Freedom :(

I dont think the U.S should even be in Iraq because they havent found any weapons of mass distruction and when is it we can go into a country shooting trying to change how things work in a country but isnt that Terriorism? This war was just an Oil War so was the last war on Iraq. Also who said that the Iraqis wanted to be free, DID WE ASK THEM no?

North Korea

Iraq they were no problem no weapons etc. But the thing we should be scared of is North Korea. North Korea has a real army and a shit load of Weapons of mass distruction? Tell me who is the real threat huh? I think Noth Korea.

www.whatididinthewar.com War stuff. not bad

I will be updating this.


PLUS
People killed by guns in the united states each year:11,127 where as other countrys have less MUCH LESS

I think (you dont have to agree)
WW3 will start out political as most wars do, but it will quickly turn into a blatantly religious one, where countries will start choosing sides based on their religious majority and religious fanatics will take over the world. "islamic terrorists" has already become too common a phrase for anyone to pretend we aren't already leaning towards the beginning of a worldwide religious war.


I think that American muslims should convene a council & declare the 'fatwah' Jihad officially over.
I think you need to learn the meaning of the word jihad. Jihad does NOt mean holy war as you've all been brainwashed to think. The word means to strive for the sake of God. ANYTHING you do for the cause of Allah is considered jihad.. whether it be giving charity or holding your tongue when ur overcome w/anger. Jihad an-Nafs, or controlling your anger & being patient is as higher form of jihad than fighting. Bet you didnt know that.

Now that you've been educated, I'm sure you would understand that declaring a fatwah tha jihad is over is impossible. you might as well ask muslims to declare islam is over. What you mean is you want American Muslims to declare that suicide bombing be officiallyover. right? What will taht do? its not the american muslims that are blowing themselves up & we're not going to be the ones to stand in the way of our kin fighting their oppressors in whatever way they deem necessary. if you, yourself were in the situation the Palestinians find themselves in, trapped in a cage whose key the Jews hold .. with no $, meaning no weapons faced agains tanks/helicops/machine guns .. and no help from the rest of the world, you would understand their level of desperatenes & understand why they resort to such lows as suciide bombing
But then again, I'm sure you knew that. Who doesn't know about the plight of the Palestinians?

Why TF do you guys keep ressurecting ancient threads? I swear, dinosaurs were walking at the time of this.:)

Randolofo


Do you really think God hides things so thoroughly, that you need a computer to use algorithms to find these hidden nuggets?

That was years ago. I'm a little less paranoid now, but I could see a major war happening in 10 years or so. Maybe not earth shattering, but major.

And who said we are resurrecting the old thread? :D

Let us wait another 5 years and then start the thread - then it may be meaningful.... But then, if Iran joins the great satan, then we may have to wait another 7 years.

Originally posted by kmguru
And who said we are resurrecting the old thread? :D

Let us wait another 5 years and then start the thread - then it may be meaningful.... But then, if Iran joins the great satan, then we may have to wait another 7 years.


Kmguru? Is this really you? Where have you been?

Did some one said resurrection? :p Hey good to see you again.

Peace

Yup, I am still here. Old dogs never die...they sometimes fade away...

Anytime any old threads are resurrected, it sends out email to all posters of the thread....and so...

Good to see you around too.

We do it cause we can. Its are right If it hasnt been takin away yet by the goverment. Its freedom of speech as it is stated in the Constitution.

Originally posted by piffi
we will have to eradicate terrorism-all terrorism-all over the world and it will involve all of us together...this is nothing new, we have always needed to do this, now we have the reason to pursue this.

Yes that's right, we do need to. But not with guns and bombs. You can't bomb terrorism away.

Originally posted by Xerxes
What do you guys think. Is World War 3 on its way? Already started? Is it about to end?


well i think world war 3 is on it's way again with the way things are starting to look with things still going wrong in Iraq and look they still have'nt found asama binladin so he's probably planing another attack in his cave or somthing

Hmmm..I doubt things are bad enough in Iraq to cause world war. Could be a primer, but I worry about Iran, a lot more.

yeah your right

What is so alarming about Iran???

Before WW III starts, there could be a major earthquake with a few million dead. Then there could be an asteroid stike that would cause a lot of global disruptions around 2013.

Then we can talk about the man made stuff....:D

The way, the earthquakes are happening, with energy dissipation of nuclear bombs, they definitely propagate and weaken the underground fault lines. It is a matter of time for a positive feedback effect to move towards a big one.

According to some experts WWIII already happened, the cold war. Now we are waiting for WWIV. ;)

Originally posted by Albume27
I belive that this War on terror is bullshit we are terriorizing [/COLOR]


I will be updating this.


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People killed by guns in the united states each year:11,127 where as other countrys have less MUCH LESS
why did you open an old thread? was this so interesting? that it needed to be rehashed? or we never finished it in your opinion?

Originally posted by miss khan

I think you need to learn the meaning of the word jihad.

Bet you didnt know that.

Now that you've been educated, I'm sure you would understand that declaring a fatwah tha jihad is over is impossible.

But then again, I'm sure you knew that. Who doesn't know about the plight of the Palestinians?

Since you are new to this forum, welcome!

I also want to warn you, that though many people follow proper etiquette, not all do, so don't feel too insulted, also not every one will agree with your point of view. But don't let that stop you or your ideas. Again, welcome!

As to your points, I know about islam, jihad & Palestine. And since you & others have posted on this old thread, with the last posting on 9-20-01 before this current go round, I would trouble you to read some of my posts on Palestine, Israel, islam, etc. You’ll see that I have opinions, both pro & con. What bothers many muslims on this forum, is that I know too much about islam.

American muslims can speak out against bin Laden, al-Queda, and can declare fatwa against those that terrorize & kill innocent non-combatants. American muslims can defend &/or disagree with their government, &/or those of other states, etc. During WWII, American-born Japanese were unfairly treated by the US government & placed in concentration camps, what was their response? Jihad? Spying? Sabotage? No, it was joining the services, fighting for their country, educating their children, getting into politics, government, in other words, showing the US & the populace, that they were Americans, willing & able to be part of the American fabric. Can American muslims say the same thing? Except for the 9-11 memorials, were are the “muslims against al-Queda”? or the “Islamic front for the defense of the American way of life”? Jews & other minority groups commonly start organizations like this. They also start self-interested ones, including the ACLU, the NAACP, MALDEF & ABA.

Jihad of the self, is noble & up-lifting to those that attempt to live by ideals. But when those ideals butt up to the lives & values of others, is it right? When it becomes the so-called "Lesser jihad", can force be used by muslims to overthrow a secular Western government, like the US & impose sharia & a theocratic government? Against the will of its people? After 9-11, can any American declare jihad (or 'crusade' against the infidels), and send a small plane loaded with explosives into Damascus or Cairo? What are the rights of people, any people, when those rights & beliefs clash with the values of others? Who takes precedence, how are those rules, laws, values judged &/or applied? Is all fair in love & war?

Randolfo dounut holeo I open what i want when i want and what the hell are you going to do about it LOL plus what does that have to do with my post or what does it have to do with a POSSIBLE world war 3?