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ScaryMonster 09-07-09, 01:39 AM http://yolearnchinese.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/ryugyong-hotel-pyongyang.jpg
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/worst-building-in-the-history-of-mankind-gets-a-face-lift-20090907-fdbs.html
Esquire magazine once dubbed this "the worst building in the history of mankind" I think it was inspired by the last piece of a Toblerone.
But is it the worst in the history of mankind?
EntropyAlwaysWins 09-07-09, 03:15 AM It appears to be standing, so it can't be the *worst* building.
At least it is fulfilling some part of its purpose.
Killjoy 09-07-09, 06:03 PM `
Looks like a pulp sci-fi era "Ministry of Rockets". or some such thing - especially with the three "fins" or "wings".
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2623/0718hotel500big.jpg
I like the old facade better, though.
http://images.travelpod.com/users/ni...yong_hotel.jpg
weed_eater_guy 09-08-09, 01:17 AM Damnit, pardon me being a west-oner, but I can't look at the words "Ryugyoung" or "Pyongyang" without my throat doing wierd things and gagging up... GAAACKKKK....
I say enough reinforced concrete can do anything, but time will tell what North Korean financiers are willing to finance, and if it collapses, are willing to cover up for, let's face it, a max of about 6 months.
Orleander 09-08-09, 09:28 AM ...But is it the worst in the history of mankind?
nope, this is
http://static.flickr.com/3483/3299479739_92fda0cd00.jpg
Damn,that building is just so cool.It appears like it's ready for take-off.Hey too,it's a unique building and not a cookie cutter type.Congrats to the those that thought this masterpiece up.
Michael 09-08-09, 09:16 PM nope, this is
http://static.flickr.com/3483/3299479739_92fda0cd00.jpgI never liked this building. It looks like the last in an ever increasing series of anal stretchers...
:runaway:
http://www.simtropolis.com/idealbb/files//MATALON-24.jpg
Michael 09-08-09, 09:24 PM The ugliest (and most stupidly expensive building)I have ever seen is the Osaka Waste Treatment facility.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3345/3615048922_b1e985b8dd_o.jpg
http://www.storm-from-the-east.com/images/getaway_maishima1a.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/56/152473071_deaf2ec2f4.jpg
Michael 09-08-09, 09:26 PM It's right out of Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory :D
Cyperium 09-09-09, 06:13 PM I think all the buildings posted here as of yet are very cool, and I would have been proud to have anything to do with their construction!
ScaryMonster 09-09-09, 10:08 PM I think all the buildings posted here as of yet are very cool, and I would have been proud to have anything to do with their construction!
So what do you think is the worlds worst large scale building?
Cyperium 09-11-09, 08:42 AM So what do you think is the worlds worst large scale building?This?
http://massengale.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/two_slices_of_bread.jpg
mugaliens 11-24-09, 12:24 AM It wa designed as political one-upsmanship.
CutsieMarie89 11-24-09, 12:36 AM The ugliest (and most stupidly expensive building)I have ever seen is the Osaka Waste Treatment facility.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3345/3615048922_b1e985b8dd_o.jpg
http://www.storm-from-the-east.com/images/getaway_maishima1a.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/56/152473071_deaf2ec2f4.jpg
It's kind of like the children's hospital in Fresno. Looks like it was made out of toy blocks, I guess to make the children happy, but considering how many kids die there the design is kind of depressing.
Pinwheel 01-07-10, 04:06 PM Thats pretty awful, but does it also have to be expensive?
ScaryMonster 08-18-10, 06:09 AM http://history-of-architecture-frank.wiki.uml.edu/file/view/BostonCity_Hallext1.jpg/99814225/BostonCity_Hallext1.jpg
I have a love/hate relationship with Boston City Hall. It’s so bad it’s almost good. Style wise I’d call it “Late Gestapo” It has a totalitarian vibe about it one could imagine enemies of the state been dragged into this concrete edifice never to be seen again.
This effect however is slightly remedied, if you think of it as a giant roost for racing pidgins.
And what would a Gulag out building be without a huge tacky Russian statue. I think I found just the right one for it.
The statue was a representation of Christopher Columbus and was offered to the USA by the communist government (CCCP) to commemorate the anniversary of Columbus "discovering" America.
The Americans politely turned them down as the Russians would have expected this monstrosity to be erected ala' the Statue of Liberty.
The Russians were incensed by the snub. The cut the head of Columbus off the statue and placed the head of Peter the Great instead. It was then erected on the banks of the Moskva River where it is now.
http://www.traveljournals.net/pictures/l/14/142296-peter-the-great-statue-moscow-russia.jpg
http://blog.hotelclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/peter-i-statue.jpg
Who wants a ride?
Awesome buildings. I'd love to have my office in any of them.
So what do you think is the worlds worst large scale building?
Maybe this one?
http://pb.c.free.fr/Avanu%201/Casa%20Poporului-Bucursti.jpg
http://www.feeder.ro/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/casa-poporului-din-elicopter.jpg
cosmictraveler 08-18-10, 01:46 PM I'd think that we are discussing the way each person feels about any structure. Some see a building as OK while other think it sucks! They are all mostly a matter of opinions. Here's my pick for ugly.It is so to me because it is very bleek, cold and looks like a box, nothing to it to make it beautiful.
http://www.universalhub.com/files/images/uglybuilding.jpg
I'd think that we are discussing the way each person feels about any structure. Some see a building as OK while other think it sucks! They are all mostly a matter of opinions. Here's my pick for ugly.It is so to me because it is very bleek, cold and looks like a box, nothing to it to make it beautiful.
http://www.universalhub.com/files/images/uglybuilding.jpg
So look inside? :D
http://www.galen-frysinger.us/united_states/erie122.jpg
MacGyver1968 08-18-10, 02:09 PM This is a building in Dallas...the image isn't very good, because it was taken by me on a moving bus. To me, it looks exactly like an old Compaq Presario desktop computer.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i41/macgyver1968a/biggestcomputer.jpg
it looks exactly like a tower case. lol
milkweed 08-18-10, 05:12 PM http://www.mashedreport.com/las-vegas/2010/07/20/luxor.jpg
The Luxor in Vegas.
Even the Sphinx there doesn't seem to believe his rotten luck in being stuck there.
spidergoat 08-18-10, 10:04 PM The worst ones aren't grand, they are just ordinary and banal, artifacts of a culture that just doesn't give a shit.
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_200702.html
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_200503.html
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_200410.html
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_200407.html
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_200401.html
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_200306.html
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_200303.html
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_200204.html
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_200011.html
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_200002.html
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_199908.html
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_199905.html
Shadow1 08-18-10, 10:08 PM http://yolearnchinese.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/ryugyong-hotel-pyongyang.jpg
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/worst-building-in-the-history-of-mankind-gets-a-face-lift-20090907-fdbs.html
Esquire magazine once dubbed this "the worst building in the history of mankind" I think it was inspired by the last piece of a Toblerone.
But is it the worst in the history of mankind?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! i hate that buildting too!!!!!
:mad:
but it wan't be too bad if they cut the upper half of it :P
with some toches to bring it back to life
Shadow1 08-18-10, 10:12 PM http://www.mashedreport.com/las-vegas/2010/07/20/luxor.jpg
The Luxor in Vegas.
just remove the statur and it would be fine :P
Shadow1 08-18-10, 10:14 PM i saw some buildings, that can really make you cry! lol
ScaryMonster 08-19-10, 02:02 PM The worst ones aren't grand, they are just ordinary and banal, artifacts of a culture that just doesn't give a shit.
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_200702.html
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_200503.html
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_200410.html
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_200407.html
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_200401.html
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_200306.html
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_200303.html
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_200204.html
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_200011.html
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_200002.html
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_199908.html
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_199905.html
Yep those are soul destroying buildings, but what I think we're looking for mostly are buildings were the designer had some grand vision which totally failed. It has to have the ability to entertain in its grossness. But I take your point about a culture that just doesn't give a shit.
ScaryMonster 08-19-10, 02:06 PM http://yolearnchinese.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/ryugyong-hotel-pyongyang.jpg
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/worst-building-in-the-history-of-mankind-gets-a-face-lift-20090907-fdbs.html
Esquire magazine once dubbed this "the worst building in the history of mankind" I think it was inspired by the last piece of a Toblerone.
But is it the worst in the history of mankind?
I just noticed this! Do you think Kim Jong Il is a Star Wars fan?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/38/112251663_84e7104fca.jpg?v=0
All of the building's I've seen so far on this thread are quite beautiful.
Especially the Ryugyong Hotel. When clad in glass, it will look even better.
spidergoat 08-19-10, 09:27 PM Yep those are soul destroying buildings, but what I think we're looking for mostly are buildings were the designer had some grand vision which totally failed. It has to have the ability to entertain in its grossness. But I take your point about a culture that just doesn't give a shit.
There are some good ones on that site, but I didn't mention them because you can always find someone who likes a Frank Gehry, or other starchitect monstrosity.
ScaryMonster 08-20-10, 01:23 AM All of the building's I've seen so far on this thread are quite beautiful.
Especially the Ryugyong Hotel. When clad in glass, it will look even better.
I think it was Esquire magazine that dubbed the "Ryugyong Hotel" as the worst building in the history of mankind: The Esquire Mag article:
"A picture doesn't lie -- the one-hundred-and-five-story Ryugyong Hotel is hideous, dominating the Pyongyang skyline like some twisted North Korean version of Cinderella's castle. Not that you would be able to tell from the official government photos of the North Korean capital -- the hotel is such an eyesore, the Communist regime routinely covers it up, airbrushing it to make it look like it's open -- or Photoshopping or cropping it out of pictures completely."
http://www.esquire.com/the-side/DESIGN/hotel-of-doom-012808
ScaryMonster 08-20-10, 01:42 AM I'd think that we are discussing the way each person feels about any structure. Some see a building as OK while other think it sucks! They are all mostly a matter of opinions. Here's my pick for ugly.It is so to me because it is very bleek, cold and looks like a box, nothing to it to make it beautiful.
http://www.universalhub.com/files/images/uglybuilding.jpg
Yep, this fortress like building might have its drawbacks but consider it this way, it an ideal structure in which to survive a zombie holocaust!:shrug:
j.colfax 09-23-10, 09:53 PM lol. thanks for posting pictures. i was mildly entertained. :)
ScaryMonster 06-04-11, 04:37 AM Longaberger Home Office building in Newark, Ohio.
http://drawernote.com/images/062610/p2/newark_ohio_usa.jpg
My God, all those people milling around the parking lot, they look just like ants.
Elephant Building, Bangkok
http://www.amazing-architecture.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/elephant-building.jpg
I think this could have been the Enron headquarters except the E has tipped over. Actually its spot on for those bastards.
chimpkin 06-04-11, 05:23 AM Longaberger Home Office building in Newark, Ohio.
http://drawernote.com/images/062610/p2/newark_ohio_usa.jpg
My God, all those people milling around the parking lot, they look just like ants.
I actually like it, but can't help wondering what happens when a colossal Yogi Bear comes along...
Enron's old building has this circular ped bridge connecting it to the buildings around it:
http://media.ft.com/cms/0f5acb12-3642-11df-8151-00144feabdc0.jpg
Remind you of a toilet seat much?
chimpkin 06-04-11, 05:39 AM So I googled ugly buildings for kicks and giggles...wuck!
http://www.photomichaelwolf.com/hongkongarchitecture/28.jpg
A Hong Kong tenement...
But that's cheap housing, it can be excused for being a little ugly.
There is, however, absolutely no excuse for...the Scottish Parliament building!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/ScottishParliament.jpg/800px-ScottishParliament.jpg
:puke:
Esquire magazine once dubbed this "the worst building in the history of mankind" I think it was inspired by the last piece of a Toblerone.
But is it the worst in the history of mankind?
Here it is again, now almost finished:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Ryugyeong_Hotel_on_February_2011.jpg
There is, however, absolutely no excuse for...the Scottish Parliament building!
:puke:
Holy shit!
And what's up with the.. um.. 'sticks'?
leopold 06-04-11, 03:31 PM There is, however, absolutely no excuse for...the Scottish Parliament building!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/ScottishParliament.jpg/800px-ScottishParliament.jpg
:puke:
what on earth are these things? tubular bells? bamboo sections? what?
Me-Ki-Gal 06-04-11, 06:20 PM That is strange . It must be stairs. They look like stairs . To cut down on waste of interior floor space I bet they jetted out the stairs in a dormer type fashion . I don't know ? Why would there be so many if they are stairs . Strange
Search & Destroy 06-05-11, 04:00 AM So I googled ugly buildings for kicks and giggles...wuck!
http://www.photomichaelwolf.com/hongkongarchitecture/28.jpg
A Hong Kong tenement...
But that's cheap housing, it can be excused for being a little ugly.
There is, however, absolutely no excuse for...the Scottish Parliament building!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/ScottishParliament.jpg/800px-ScottishParliament.jpg
:puke:
Ahhh good ol' Kowloon Mansions. Cheap & ugly but the most culturally diverse couple blocks on earth.
Anti-Flag 06-05-11, 07:52 PM I never liked this building. It looks like the last in an ever increasing series of anal stretchers...
:runaway:
Seems appropriate when London is so full of assholes....
Anti-Flag 06-05-11, 07:56 PM Holy shit!
And what's up with the.. um.. 'sticks'?
Prison bars, to make the Scots feel at home....
Prison bars, to make the Scots feel at home....
lol That must be some sort of pun related to Scottish history..
ScaryMonster 06-06-11, 07:55 AM http://www.strangevehicles.com/images/content/112455.jpg
This rather boring building is made interesting with the addition of an annex.
I apologize to anyone sensitive about 911.
http://jesad.com/img/fun/weird-buildings/weird-buildings04.jpg
And I apologize to any tornado victims
chimpkin 06-06-11, 11:04 PM And I apologize to any tornado victims
Heh, they never tump over that neatly!
I like how tornadoes always wrap sheetmetal around things in funky ways.
Edited to add-apparently it was a tornado that took down our powerpoles out on the main road last night, just a *little* one. That explains that 60-70 MPH wind we had blow through...
Anti-Flag 06-07-11, 04:36 AM lol That must be some sort of pun related to Scottish history..
And Scottish behaviour.
So that's London and Scotland off my holiday list....
Robert Schunk 08-12-11, 10:43 AM Unfortunately I don't have enough posts to be able to post links, but, to see the building, just look up images for "The Dorilton", an apartment building located at 171 West 71st Street in Manhattan.
According to Alpern, Andrew. "New York's Fabulous Luxury Apartments With Original Floor Plans from the Dakota, River House, Olympic Tower and Other Great Buildings (New York: Dover Publications, Inc., 1975), p.28:
"When The Dorilton was completed, The Architectural Record, a journal not generally given to strong language, called it "an architectural aberration" and said that "the sight of it makes strong men swear and weak women shrink affrighted".
Stryder 08-12-11, 02:32 PM http://www.gchq.gov.uk/images/ariel_view.jpg
Government Communications HQ, Gloucestershire (UK)
It isn't necessarily the ugliest, however for a giant "Police Donut" it lacks jam in the middle or at the very least sprinkles.
Me-Ki-Gal 08-12-11, 02:42 PM Unfortunately I don't have enough posts to be able to post links, but, to see the building, just look up images for "The Dorilton", an apartment building located at 171 West 71st Street in Manhattan.
According to Alpern, Andrew. "New York's Fabulous Luxury Apartments With Original Floor Plans from the Dakota, River House, Olympic Tower and Other Great Buildings (New York: Dover Publications, Inc., 1975), p.28:
"When The Dorilton was completed, The Architectural Record, a journal not generally given to strong language, called it "an architectural aberration" and said that "the sight of it makes strong men swear and weak women shrink affrighted".
Oh that is funny . You seem to be some what of a historian ? No Yes . I know you are but what am I . Anyway . Maybe you know something bout de battle of Trenton in the Revolutionary war . I know that would really perk my perch. Birdies at the window all euphoric like . Something tells Me you know stuff that is kept secret from mere mortal men and evolved "Women" Please
Me-Ki-Gal 08-12-11, 02:45 PM http://www.gchq.gov.uk/images/ariel_view.jpg
Government Communications HQ, Gloucestershire (UK)
It isn't necessarily the ugliest, however for a giant "Police Donut" it lacks jam in the middle or at the very least sprinkles.
that looks like human collective conscious future space going vessel . Yeah a mock up
The center is for the reactor or what ever the power source is
ScaryMonster 08-12-11, 08:35 PM It looks a lot like the UFO from the Electric Light Orchestra Albums.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vhs5fnEyIds/ThU8YhjcfhI/AAAAAAAAAUE/HqMQ7cL0wD8/s400/ELO-Out_of_the_Blue_Lp.jpeg
http://www.sciforums.com/picture.php?albumid=73&pictureid=952
It's powered by Disco!
ScaryMonster 08-12-11, 08:42 PM http://i50.tinypic.com/25tw2mq.jpg
:bugeye:There seems to be a few Elephant theme buildings around , I found this one.
Some bloke who visited Oregun, Lagos took the picture.
chimpkin 08-12-11, 10:11 PM @ Scary...it's goofy looking, but I would buy that house...Although I would have to make it much more hideous. You see, you don't do hideous lightly.
You either do something nice or you want to make drivers and pedestrians stop in the middle of the street to look at your house and mouth the words "What the f**k ?"
For instance, this house is now owned by a local art foundation, and I will tour it if I get the chance:
http://www.orangeshow.org/tpeople/wwwOrangeShow4.1/vvaris/photos/34/Sideviewbch-m.jpg
Yes, an entire house covered in beercans. He did the garage apartment too. This is an old picture, there's another beercan wall in front of it, and a townhouse right beside it now:
http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2008/01/02/beer-_can-house_6648.jpg
I think they put the can-curtains back up at some point, they had to find vintage cans to restore it with.
But underneath it's an ordinary 50's bungalow, so I'm not sure it really belongs in the thread.
I just figured y'all might be amused, is all.
Robert Schunk 08-13-11, 03:07 AM Oh that is funny . You seem to be some what of a historian ? No Yes . I know you are but what am I . Anyway . Maybe you know something bout de battle of Trenton in the Revolutionary war . I know that would really perk my perch. Birdies at the window all euphoric like . Something tells Me you know stuff that is kept secret from mere mortal men and evolved "Women" Please
That's not really relevant to this thread, so I'll open a new thread under history to answer your question about Trenton. For now, I'll just say that there's an awful lot of knowledge in public libraries that is not generally known to the public, particularly in the way of controversial material that might embarrass major corporation. Very often, the publisher of such books comes under pressure not to publish after the contract's been signed, so the publisher will limit itself to a minimal-effort publication in which only a few books are printed, press interviews somehow never happen, book-signings aren't publicized and authors show up with boxes of books in empty bookstores (or sometimes it's the publishers' responsibility to bring the books and they don't show up), etc. This practice is known as "privishing". But orders from libraries must be filled, which results in the situation where the libraries contain knowledge not generally known to the public. There's nothing secret about these books or their content, it's just that you'll have to search for them, and libraries are the most likely place to find them. If you want to know more about this, read Borfesson, Kristina (ed.): "Into the Buzzsaw: Leading Journalists Expose the Myth of a Free Press" (Amherst, NY: Prometeus Press, 2002).
However, I haven't yet referred to any such works in my posts yet during my presence here on this forum; I've only used books generally available to the public (save for the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles references, which I pulled off the internet), and all the books I've used so far havebeen fom my personal collection.
ScaryMonster 07-08-12, 01:50 AM http://files.myopera.com/kripo/albums/633582/Kansas%20City%20Public%20Library%20%28Missouri,%20 United%20States%29.jpg
Kansas City Public Library, Missouri, United-States
As an incentive to visit library the design in the downtown of Kansas city was made in shape of books that according to people of Kansas city represent Kansas.
I was told that it’s a parking garage not the actual library. And still it looks awesome, isn’t? What can I say? A suitable building for storing books.
This, "Let's make sperm bank in the shape of an....," is actually less irritating than the common habit of building pastiche homes that hark back to past era's.
Such attempts are mostly unsuccessful.
anyone who has actually stayed in real a Tuscan villa that's actually in Tuscany, would find the parroting of that style in McMansion's execrable.
http://www.streetsblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/02_18/mcmansion_construction.jpg
Today's McMansions, Tomorrow's Tenements.
"I dislike these houses because they are an embodiment of how individual buyers, society as a whole, and the environment on which we depend, are poorly served. I don’t dislike them because I don’t want ordinary people to have nice things. It’s because I would like them to have something so much better!" From Hating McMansions: not class warfare Author: Helen.
http://www.castironbalcony.com/2011/07/04/hating-mcmansions-not-class-warfare/
Buddha12 07-08-12, 07:24 AM The Shard
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2HOfbu7TP4o/TOvRcgnXJVI/AAAAAAAAABE/haZVqPtP_xM/s1600/glassshardlondon.jpg
http://yolearnchinese.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/ryugyong-hotel-pyongyang.jpg
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/worst-building-in-the-history-of-mankind-gets-a-face-lift-20090907-fdbs.html
Esquire magazine once dubbed this "the worst building in the history of mankind" I think it was inspired by the last piece of a Toblerone.
But is it the worst in the history of mankind?
Surely the Leaning Tower of Pisa would give a run for it's money?
KilljoyKlown 09-09-12, 02:38 PM Yes ugly can be very bad in a building but I would think the worst have to be those buildings that the most people died in. Such as a brick building that crumbles in an earthquake.
Gorlitz 09-10-12, 02:10 PM nope, this is
http://static.flickr.com/3483/3299479739_92fda0cd00.jpg
Damn,that building is just so cool.It appears like it's ready for take-off.Hey too,it's a unique building and not a cookie cutter type.Congrats to the those that thought this masterpiece up.
Noman Foster designed it for Swiss Re, it's nick name is 'The Gherkin'. It's one of the most iconic, and beautiful, buildings in London.
I think the worst ever building is the People's Palace in Bucharest. The reason I think this is, is because it is a hideous monstrosity that required over a millions tons of marble to construct and required the destruction thousands of Bucharest apartments. It was originally built for former dictator Nicolai Chauchescu.
http://www.srcmig.medical-congresses.ro/Content/images/PalaceParliament1.jpg
I don't think the buildings mentioned are as bad as a single wide mobile home.
KilljoyKlown 09-13-12, 09:08 PM I don't think the buildings mentioned are as bad as a single wide mobile home.
And you know this how?:D
If you ever lived in one you would know. An they don't do real good with strong winds. An there was one "trailer" I was in that had a bed room the size of a walk in closet.
KilljoyKlown 09-14-12, 10:56 AM If you ever lived in one you would know. An they don't do real good with strong winds. An there was one "trailer" I was in that had a bed room the size of a walk in closet.
Sounds cozy.:D But I do require a roomy shower with good water pressure.:D
Gorlitz 09-15-12, 02:52 PM Sounds cozy.:D But I do require a roomy shower with good water pressure.:D
And stay off the curry if you've got guests.
KilljoyKlown 09-15-12, 04:26 PM And stay off the curry if you've got guests.
That's okay, I love curry and have no problems with it. But I think I'd go visiting a lot.:D
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