I happen to be a vegetarian what about the rest of you?

Don't eat meat. My mind and body rejects it.

Steak is the best food ever.

Eat everything... in small portions. I have no problem with eating meat. We are, after all, two-legged wolves.

I am a vegetarian and no! (lots of Americans have asked me this) i dont eat seafood or any animal related stuff (Except milk) either.

doesn't that make you a vegan then?

I am a vegetarian and no! (lots of Americans have asked me this) i dont eat seafood or any animal related stuff (Except milk) either.
How can one be a vegetarian and eat seafood? Fish is meat too.
I've got no problems with cheese, milk, pancakes, etc.

Yes, exactly but Americans believe its vegetarianism!
(at least thats what i can make out.)

and no a vegan doesnt drink milk,(only Soy milk)

off course i got now problems with cheese and pancakes, where do you think i got the flesh on my body from? :D

Yes, exactly but Americans believe its vegetarianism!
Well.. americans are some weird, fucked-up folk, no doubt.

so you would be a vegan except for the fact that you drink cow milk.

I'm a vegan.

haha...no thats a vegetarian, since he is with animal products,

a vegan is without any animal products, including the extra stuff.
hell, i cannot live without milk, you need a lot of that here in U.S. especially since you work your a** off!

I don't understand what vegans have against milk. We're mammals not jellyfish.

I think they believe that milk is like a product of animals and these animals would need to feed their own with that milk, so by using the same, you would waste it!!... wow quite a long shot...:D

hell, i cannot live without milk, you need a lot of that here in U.S. especially since you work your a** off!

(I don't mean to be rude, but...) No: you don't. A mammal's milk is produced for it's own young!


I don't understand what vegans have against milk. We're mammals not jellyfish.

You've hit the nail on the head there Avatar. Humans are the only 'mammal' (out of approx. 4500 if I recall correctly) that drink the milk of another mammal. If the 'natural' argument holds any sway with you; you might be interested to observe that eating meat is actually more natural than drinking milk. Personally, I prefer to do neither.

Humans have their own mother's milk - while they are infants. This is all they need.

ummm?

pfft! morals :rolleyes: like I care

You've hit the nail on the head there Avatar. Humans are the only 'mammal' (out of approx. 4500 if I recall correctly) that drink the milk of another mammal. If the 'natural' argument holds any sway with you; you might be interested to observe that eating meat is actually more natural than drinking milk. Personally, I prefer to do neither.
Besides you're wrong, I known of several cases where a dog fed kittens and goats dogs and wolves dogs. And other animals too.

I agree Zion a lot of americans do get confused. The other day in my local health food sore i heard a women say, "can vegans cook food?". I told her yes they can cook food they just dont eat meat or any other product from an animal of any sort.

Besides you're wrong, I known of several cases where a dog fed kittens and goats dogs and wolves dogs. And other animals too.

That's interesting; and I'm perfectly willing to concede that I was wrong - once you can refer me to literature which supports your claims of course.
In any case: a dog's milk is hardly introduced as a staple (i.e. permanent, and allegedly 'necessary') feature of the cat's diet, is it? If it is, I'd guess it's a rare phenomenon; perhaps isolated to 'orphan' cases? (...again, pefectly willing to concede that I'm wrong)
And in what environment does this phenomenon occur? Is it human-induced behaviour?
I'll also add that: I was only mentioning that as a pre-emptive argument to anyone who might bring in the but drinking milk is 'natural' argument. I wouldn't feel compelled to drink milk even if it was/is a natural thing to do. I can obtain the necessary levels of calcium from other sources.

I'm a vegetarian... but I think it's ok to eat animal meat for those who think it's ok :)

The death of an animal is not as tragic as the death of a human :)
Animals are not like us. They have no history books, no photographs, no knowledge of sorrow or regret.

Animals are cute. Cute and horny. And if you're like an animal. Cute and horny. Then you're probably happy. You don't fear death even to begin with, you don't know who you are or why you're even alive. You just want to have sex as many times as possible before you die.

Those are cases in my own country when the young have lost their mother or the mother has abandoned them and some animal of another species took care of it.
No human involvement. As for internet links.. as I said, the cases are from my own experience, I don't have my life ported to internet. You'll have to believe or find some other cases that are on the net, because as I know it's a common occurance. And it's only natural that those are orphan cases, because if the children have their own mother beside, they have no need to look for other.

I don’t eat very many dairy products. For instance I don’t drink milk so what I do for calcium is take calcium vitamins.

I think it was Romulus and Remus the founders of ancient Rome that were abandoned at birth and raised by the wolf out in nature. Animals can care.

I like meat, my favorite pork, veal, beef and liver sometimes.

Although lately a large part of my diet consists of lentils, because they're good for my shits.

Lentils are filling and they make you shit at least once a day, and the shit is sweet-smelling.

Other than that I eat a lot of biscuits with butter and spinach.

That was an informative and thought-provoking post Bob - a poetic means of expressing the fact that lentils are high in protein perhaps (and thus a good meat substitute)? Your post would also seem to suggest that they are high in fibre?
But biscuits, butter and spinach! On the same plate - in the same mouthful? :(

Well....thanks for telling us about your "shits" I guees.

He's an old and insane man. Kill him!

If I can get food i'll eat it. Never gave a damn about being a vegan or a moderate meat eater. Food is food....this day and age getting it is alone a reason enough to celebrate and eat it.

Never did like the taste of red meat though.

this day and age getting it is alone a reason enough to celebrate and eat it
Tell that to neanderthals trying to kill a mamooth. :rolleyes:

If it's there I will deep fry it, smother it in ketchup and grease, then eat it.

Oh tell me about it. It's so difficult to get in my huge SUV that runs 5 miles to the gallon and drive 2 blocks to my super market. Then I have to go all the way in and pay for it. Oh no save us....hehe. Nah I don’t mean to criticize you but c'mon it you are not taking down a giant beast as avatar said.

If it's there I will deep fry it, smother it in ketchup and grease, then eat it. So what your saying is you enjoy clogging your arteries. Sorry too much sarcasm.

Oh tell me about it. It's so difficult to get in my huge SUV that runs 5 miles to the gallon and drive 2 blocks to my super market. Then I have to go all the way in and pay for it. Oh no save us....hehe. Nah I don’t mean to criticize you but c'mon it you are not taking down a giant beast as avatar said.


A world exists outside of developed nations.

That was an informative and thought-provoking post Bob - a poetic means of expressing the fact that lentils are high in protein perhaps (and thus a good meat substitute)? Your post would also seem to suggest that they are high in fibre?
But biscuits, butter and spinach! On the same plate - in the same mouthful? :(

Lentils are in fact 25% fiber. And they are also very high in protein, being a pulse. I have some pasta too and that makes protein complete.

I have biscuits and spinach together, yes.

Actually they go well. You can even bake spinach into the biscuit, in a little pocket. And they both go with butter. Try it someday.

A world exists outside of developed nations.

You live in NY!

WTF is up with dissing Americans¿

I'm a pseudo vegetarian.

The amount of steroids they pump into the animals is extremely unhealthy. But animals are way too delicious to pass up forever. Oh- and animal products like yogurt can be quite healthy. Along with protein rich fish like tuna.

WTF is up with dissing Americans¿

Don't encourage this behavior.

A world exists outside of developed nations.Yes I realize that I was taking the view of an ignorant American. Besides all that do you live in a third world country or have to ever been to one. I have and I know the struggles to get food. I have seen it in my own eyes.

WTF is up with dissing Americans¿Ok first of all I am not "dissing" all Americans I am one my self I am only "dissing" ignorant ones.

You live in NY!

Now what does that have to do with my intial point?

I have seen it in my own eyes.


Yeah? Picked up the national geographic at your library?

I'm a pseudo vegetarian.

The amount of steroids they pump into the animals is extremely unhealthy. But animals are way too delicious to pass up forever. Oh- and animal products like yogurt can be quite healthy. Along with protein rich fish like tuna.http://www.themeatrix.com/ yay watch that video.

Yeah? Picked up the national geographic at your library?haha your funny, no I lived with a poor Moroccan family for a week in their village.

I can't. The flash plugin for linux is buggy. It crashes my browser.

Gimme an overview

haha yeh my buddie uses linux as well and it does not work. Here we are, http://www.themeatrix.com/action/index.html

I can't. The flash plugin for linux is buggy. It crashes my browser.

Gimme an overview


Its a spoof of the matrix where a pig is enlightened by "Moopheus". The pig is taken from a daydreamed family farm to a real meat plant via the red pill. From there on the evils of agricultual corporations are mentioned along with the adverse effects they have on society. Negative truths of the meatpacking industry are outlined.

Charming little flash product.

I can't. The flash plugin for linux is buggy. It crashes my browser. Gimme an overview
Not so! watched it till the propaganda started to get on my nerves.

haha yeah it is funny how it's done. But it is true, that's what is sad.

im a lacto-vegan, im closer to vegan than vegetarian, so i ticked that box

About 60 million years ago, when the first angiosperms evolved, some shrew-like rodents looked up into those trees and said, "Damn, that's some fine fruit up there. The only animals that can eat it are birds and snakes. I gotta get me some." Eventually their descendants developed claws that could be used for climbing and a metabolism that could subsist on a high-carb low-protein diet. They were the sloths, the first mammals that could climb trees and eat their fruit. The sloths eventually developed more efficient metabolism so they could get more energy into their muscles and stop being so slothful, and their descendants were the primates.

A few million years ago, some of those chimpanzee-like primates looked down at the ground and said, "Damn, the lions get all the good food. Just look at them scarfing up that zebra. I wish I could get me some meat instead of settling for the occasional insect or lizard to supplement this boring, time-consuming high-fiber diet." They climbed down out of the trees, learned to walk erect, form more efficient and cooperative groups by inventing language, and learned to make weapons out of flint that made them a good match for the larger predators. They became hominids.

Then about 12,000 years ago a wolf and a human noticed that they kept running into each other hunting the same territories. The wolves could smell out and chase down some really huge prey, and the humans had weapons that could kill it. What a feast was had by all. Humans and dogs (dogs are genetically identical to wolves, it turns out, we just give them a different name) formed the first multi-species community. Learning to get along with a "person" whom you can't even talk to made it easier for humans to get along with other humans who merely spoke different languages and worshipped different gods. Eventally the human-dog community became civilization.

So there are three fundamental things that define our humanity, three forks in the road we took that make us what we are today:

1. We love fruit.
2. We love meat.
3. We love dogs.

The Atkins diet groupies turn their back on fruit. And they've become really weird. The vegans turn their back on meat. And they've become really weird. The fundamentalist Muslims turn their back on dogs... well you can see how that worked out.

Spurn your humanity at your own peril.

I would love to be able to say I was a vegetarian, because I really do think that it's morally correct, but my uprbinging has made me love the taste of meat, and changing, especially while still living at home, would be impossible.

Also, I just can't understand what the staple food would be without it? Because I've been brought up on low-carb as well. So without meat or carbs, where would I be?

When they create more realistic fake meat, I'll become a vegetarian...

Why does the flesh of other living creatures have to be so, so, so, SO tastey.

*runs off to cook some bacon while switching morally conscientious part of mind off*

The vegans turn their back on meat. And they've become really weird

Maybe you're thinking of 'vegetarians'. Vegans go further than that: they turn their back on dairy products as well; and animal products in general. And if you consider this 'weird', then I disagree. Personally, I know some vegans. Some of them are rock-solid, sensible individuals. Others are a little bit ... eccentric is probably an appropriate word. In my humble opinion, they take some things too far, but their primary cause is still a worthy one. You get eccentrics in the proponents of many causes - people who just go slightly over-the-top - even worthwhile causes.

But to dismiss all vegans as 'weird' is unfair. And, to cut to the chase: are you not prepared to acknowledge the point I made already? That humans are (...perhaps with bizarre exceptions such as the ones Avatar referred to) the only mammals which drink the milk of another mammal? And that we are the only mammal that drinks milk over the course of our entire lives, as opposed to merely our infancy?

You seem to be drawing on the hackneyed 'natural' argument; but then refusing to acknowledge it's consequences. If you are using precedence in nature when building your definition of 'weird'; then, IMHO, the adjective ought be ascribed to the 'milk-drinkers' instead.


Spurn your humanity at your own peril

Firstly: that's ... slightly melodramatic isn't it! Secondly: what is the peril you're referring to?

And that we are the only mammal that drinks milk over the course of our entire lives, as opposed to merely our infancy?

So, what's wrong with that? It's tasty and healthy. Noone was harmed in the process of getting it.

humans are (...perhaps with bizarre exceptions such as the ones Avatar referred to) the only mammals which drink the milk of another mammal
If I were your formal logic teacher, I'd give you an F. They are not the only ones if there are exceptions.

And that we are the only mammal that drinks milk over the course of our entire lives, as opposed to merely our infancy?

If you think your mother's milk was all you'll ever need, wait till you get old. Bone loss and a broken hip at the time when you're old, alone, and ugly, is such a scary situation that you want to drink up your glass of milk and eat up your plate of curd every day like a good boy. Taking vitamins is not enoug, since a good part of the pill goes straight out of you (that's why you sometimes see more than 100% of daily value in the chart). Those pills are not meant as a substitute.

Milk is fine, but remember that calcium is plentiful in most diets. What you need are things that help calcium uptake into the body(vitamin D).

Your body gets more calcium standing in the sun for 3 hours than it does from 10-20 glasses of milk

id better get drinking milk then

I'm omnivorous.

The POLL is lacking more Answers....
I have no Diet...
I like some meats, and dislike or hate others...
I eat like a pig, yet do not gain wieght....
some relgions forbid the consumption of certain meats, yet that not seem to stop people...

Mankind was created to eat meat....

You may not want to eat meat.... but do not worrie... someone in a fnacy retursnt will throw away 60% of the food they serve,...

It is not a question about "meat" it is a question about wasting food, or pleasure......................

but if no-one buys that 60% for long enough, then to save themselves money, they will stop producing it

On the topic of calcium, animal protein, milk and osteoporosis: I refer you to the following PCRM (Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine) article (with references): http://www.pcrm.org/health/prevmed/osteoporosis.html

Xerxes touched on one or two of the points already, but for the benefit of those who don't have time to read it, here are some relevant excerpts (..emphases are mine):


While patients tend to assume that boosting their calcium intake will ensure strong bones, research clearly shows that calcium intake is only part of the issue and that simply increasing calcium intake is an inadequate strategy. No less important is reducing calcium losses. The loss of bone mineral probably results from a combination of genetics and dietary and lifestyle factors, particularly the intake of animal protein, salt, and possibly caffeine, along with tobacco use, physical inactivity, and lack of sun exposure.

Animal protein tends to leach calcium from the bones, leading to its excretion in the urine....




The most healthful calcium sources are green leafy vegetables and legumes, which your patients can remember as ?greens and beans.? They have several advantages that dairy products lack. They contain antioxidants, complex carbohydrate, fiber, and iron, and have little fat and no cholesterol.

The calcium absorption from vegetables is as good or better than that of milk. Calcium absorption from milk is approximately 32 percent. Figures for broccoli, Brussels sprouts, mustard greens, turnip greens, and kale range between 40-64 percent.


The article also contains quite a long list of non-milk calcium sources.

Avatar: Unfortunately, it seems that cows do suffer due to man's bizarre custom of taking it's milk. Consider, initially, the most benign scenario, where cows give birth at a natural rate, and live in a relatively comfortable environment. Think about it: to begin with the calf is separated from it's mother, while members of a foreign species grope and squeeze their already-sensitive udder.
Then consider a more realistic scenario. The cow will likely be in a state of almost continual pregnancy; pushed to their physical limits in order to provide as much milk as possible; often spending long periods tied to a stanchion; with their mammary glands suffering abuse to the point where it succumbs to medical problems such as mastitis. Then, once their milk yield begins to decline, they will simply be slaughtered in many cases.
Ask any mother who has breastfed her own children if she could imagine being treated in the same way. From what I have heard, breastfeeding is a painful enough experience as it is.

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Some of the reasons I have chosen a vegan diet:

(i) My lifestyle no longer (or at least in far less cases) supports the killing, or harm, of sentient creatures.

(ii) We get most of our energy from the sun, albeit indirectly. I've heard it argued that a plant-based diet is a more efficient means in which to retrieve this energy than a carnivore/omnivore diet. The argument makes sense to me. Why? Because if you think of it in stages - the plants retrieving their energy directly from the sun, then animals retrieving their energy indirectly from the sun, via the plants - and acknowledge that alot of energy is lost at each stage (alot of the energy a cow extracts from the grass it eats is expended in simply maintaining it's respitory system for example), it seems obvious that extracting energy directly from plants is more efficient, as it cuts out the 'middle man' (or 'animal' rather).
Perhaps this is what led Einstein to say/write that: "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."
I think that if people are really concerned about over- (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=44918)population (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=41973), they should take this into consideration.

(iii) Health: Why do you think meat and dairy products need to be refrigerated? Because they're ridden with harmful bacteria - that's why! Beer and juices are refrigerated primarily because people find them nicer chilled. Fruit and vegetables can be left at room temperatures for considerable periods of time, especially in the winter - and still be perfectly safe to eat. But meat and dairy are refrigerated for different reasons - to inhibit the growth of organisms!
The more complex an organism is, the more likely it is to be host to other organisms - such as bacteria. When you eat part of an animal, you are also eating whatever remains of it's once-upon-a-time parasites and other dwellers - e.g. the beef tapeworm (http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=2445). Plants, compared to animals, are simple organisms.

And lastly, a somewhat more personal reason ... not as easy to rationalise:

(iv) Processing meat is such a mess! Did you ever think of all the work that goes into killing a chicken, removing it's feathers, chopping off it's head, removing it's entrails etc. etc. etc.. I think if people thought about these things more often, it might put them off meat.
I find the meat and dairy industry to be exceedingly ugly: from cows and sheep marked with red scribbles in fields; to the manure-splattered field entrances; to manky feedlots of rusting iron; to smelly butcher shops. Scenes I have no desire to associate with myself with!

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Thought some people might enjoy this:
http://www.sciforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4065&stc=1

The article also contains quite a long list of non-milk calcium sources.
No problems, I like to have a glass of milk with pease.

p.s. To address your later post, problems of cowlife or dying children in africa really don't bother me. I have a diet I enjoy and it includes dairy products.

Mine consists of yogourt (with Splenda sugar subsititute and fat-free), Boneless skinless chicken, some red meat, a variety of vegetables (zucchini is my the best), tomato/avocado salads and the occasional junk food (at parties and such). I've lost a lot of weight ever since I cut out most carbohydrates, I still have a long way to go though. Ever sonce I started onphedemines to treat Norcolepsy, I often don't feel like I need to eat anything. I now eat nutritious food and I eat about half of what I used to. Sleeping disorders have plagued me because it created hormone imbalances that make one want to eat more. Anyway, I have no idea why I'm sharing this. Maybe it's because I've lost a lot of weight and I'm excited. I have to loose a bit more and I'll be more noticed. We all know the way society works.

I also drink skim milk. I think 2% is disgustingly creamy, it's like eating pure butter to me. My ideas have changed lately. I'm a freak. I go to the gym between school and working, I usually eat one meal a day and it works!

Closetphilosopher:

You have a horrible diet :eek: . Really, I'd very much recommend that you take a nutrition class at your school. It would be an easy A and you'd learn a shitload of invaluable information about the body and how it processes and assimilates food. I guarantee it would change the way you eat too.

When you eat one meal per day, you're lowing your metabolism and making it necessary for your body to store fat. When you learn how the body works, you'll see how counterproductive your strategy is.

I've been told that I should eat during the whole day. I've been lectured many times. When I do eat, I eat healthy food, but I know that I should eat more often.

Yeah, 1 meal/day works fine for me 2. But when I live alone, I'll never eat! I will sleep the whole day... because I'm a dhampire and the sun kills me... but I'll stay awake at night. Sometimes at night, I feel like I'm immortal.

Same thing, Yorda :) A beer to you.
I too live and feel immortal at nights.

I would worry more about the possibility of diabetes then a slow metabolism..

I naturally have a very slow metabolism, but that disturbs my diet little or not at all, because I like to eat healthy food and I also practice Taekwondo. What I dislike about my slow metabolism state is that it takes very long for some physical injury to heal.

I'd like a slow metabolism. Everything I eat or drink goes straight through and out after an hour. Nothing could slow it down, even eating one sandwich a day (I'm quite alert and active that way).

Vegans are fucked, like not the vegans that mind there own business, like I don’t give a fuck what people eat although, if someone wants to start complaining to me about what I’m eating I draw the line.
I have never met a vegan that doesn't shut up about how you are such a bad person for eating meat, and how my shoes cost the life of some poor animal, how many animals died to make my fur coat about how it is wrong to have cuff links made out of turtle shell, how it wrong to have all of my stationary made out of ivory and my tiger and lion and bear carpets. I mean hey it is my life, I bought them they were already dead, I didn't kill them.

But with buying you support the slaughter!! :mad:

p.s. I like to dress in leather and I have horns of forest-goats in my room. :p

how my shoes cost the life of some poor animal, how many animals died to make my fur coatOne of my favorite quotes is from a movie whose title is long forgotten:

Vegan friend to female lead wearing fur coat: "Do you know how many poor animals they had to kill to make that coat?"

Female lead: "Do you know how many rich animals I had to screw to buy this coat?"

ok sorry before it gets out of hand I should probably say I was joking about the fur coat, the cuff links made out of turtle shell, the stationary made out of ivory and my tiger and lion and bear carpets.

Sorry I thought it was funny...

But the rest I was not joking about, I went to a school with a vegan, and for a while we were friends although I just could not handle her bullshit, she would be like, you know what chicken farms look like and show me this picture while I was trying to eat chicken for lunch, it was really quite annoying to say the least

Here are a few funny comics about vegs (just click next):
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I don't understand what vegans have against milk. We're mammals not jellyfish.

one of my friends dads owned a herd of cows which he used for milking,and for there needed to be calves for the mothers to produce milk,however there is no market in england for beef to make it worth his while to keep the calves (initially he was selling them as dog food) so he had to just shoot them grind them up and spread them over his fields.i think that may be a reason vegans object to dairy products.i would like to be a vegetarian but the truth is i am just too lame,i dont like enough vegetables and am not good enough at cooking.the ideal for me would be to raise my own animals and kill them myself so i know how they are treated throughout their life.

Well it would be pointless in not argueing her vegan lifestyle.

If she only represented herself then nobody on this planet would even contemplate the possibilities that we are savage, self centred beasts of burden aswell.

Hell, would you slit a cows throat, watch it choke to death on its own blood, then savagely cut chunks of its flesh to be eaten ?

No, I didnt think so....

i dont think that people should eat meat unless they think they are capable of killing the animal themselves.

My family own several cattle plantations through out the pacific, this slaughtering and butchering of a cow I have done more time than I can remember.

Calves make good eating meat it is called veal, I doubt they would waste this on dogs.

i was pretty sure that veal is calves which have been kept out of sunlight for an extended period of time to make the meat turn pale.

Hey.. then I'm pale from the inside as well? Cool :cool:
Well.. there's hardly any meat on me anyways.

i was pretty sure that veal is calves which have been kept out of sunlight for an extended period of time to make the meat turn pale.

No you’re wrong, in the pacific you don't get much shade and I have never tasted better veal anywhere in my whole life

you could........put them in a room.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veal

your link proves you wrong, it says

In some systems, the calves are restricted to a small, dark crate for their entire lives; producers usually say that this is done to keep their flesh white and tender.

Some usually is not always, you silly little person.

i dont think that people should eat meat unless they think they are capable of killing the animal themselves.

i dont think that people should eat meat unless they want.

I agree. Eat whatever you want, unless it's harmful to you. All these morals and restraints only cause unnecessary headache.

Bravo

Its like this : I have for a month tried to be a Vegan (going without animal products,Milk cheese or butter) and life sucked... i felt weak...

I wont want to die, if i do, then where is the freaking philosophy going to save me?

Get a life...

Yeh I attempted to not eat dairy products and i felt weak as well.

it is weak of anyone to not eat animal product

I've been watching this thread and it's about time I weigh in. I dont eat fruit of any kind. The only vegetables that I eat are potatos and corn. I eat mostly meat, milk, bread and junk food and there is nothing wrong with my health.
As for the morals of eating animal products, I wonder if the vegans dont read newspapers etc because of the damage done by logging? What about the environmental damage done to allow them to have a computer? Do they use composting toilets instead of flushing their sewage out to sea? Do they only use public transport? How far can morally correct greeness go?

it is weak of anyone to not eat animal productYes, Becasue a man is deffinetly weak if he chooses to not eat the flesh of a animal. Please, do explain your idea of "weakness" to me.

I think you are right, Street Cat...:D

Thanks Zion :)

ALL YOUR MEAT ARE BELONG TO US!
http://www.toyarchive.com/MovieProps/CritterPuppet1a.jpg

Oh My God Yes!!!!!!!!! All Your Meat Are Belong To Us Indeed....................

Critters 1&2 are such funny movies! :) 3&4 are shit though

Humans are the only 'mammal' (out of approx. 4500 if I recall correctly) that drink the milk of another mammal. If the 'natural' argument holds any sway with you; you might be interested to observe that eating meat is actually more natural than drinking milk. Personally, I prefer to do neither.

What exactly does 'natural' mean to you? Is drinking milk somehow alien behavior that breaks laws of nature? You might find it interesting that most animals are unable to digest milk after a certain age. They lack the enzymes to break down the lactose. There are also humans who have this inability. They are called lactose-intolerant. Humans have been drinking milk for so long that the mutation that allows us to drink milk past our infancy has spread throughout almost the whole human population.

Why do you think that it is permissible to extrapolate what is natural human behavior from observing animals other than humans.

How is it unnatural if it has been our natural behavior for tens of thousands of years?



Oh tell me about it. It's so difficult to get in my huge SUV that runs 5 miles to the gallon and drive 2 blocks to my super market. Then I have to go all the way in and pay for it. Oh no save us....hehe. Nah I don’t mean to criticize you but c'mon it you are not taking down a giant beast as avatar said.

Because all Americans are fat, wealthy pigs. Right? No one ever goes to sleep hungry in America. Right? No one can ever appreciate food in America because we're all such gluttonous pigs. Right? No one ever works hard for their food in America. Right? No one hunts for their food. Right?

http://img30.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img30&image=allyourbasecoverlg2yq.jpg

Sorry I had to post crappy photoshop.

your link proves you wrong, it says

In some systems, the calves are restricted to a small, dark crate for their entire lives; producers usually say that this is done to keep their flesh white and tender.

Some usually is not always, you silly little person.

shit,whats your problem?first of all the only reason i even mentioned that was because you were implying that i was lying about what happened to my friends dads calves.now if you read what i initially posted and then read that link perhaps you can make the connection,if you cant then ask again and i will do it for you.

I don't see too many whiney vegans out harvesting their own vegetables, to be honest. There for, I'm not sure they can push their convictions onto someone else. Once every vegetarian moves to Nebraska or Kansas and buys a God damned combine, they can talk to me about convictions. Red meat eaters are the ones who supply you with that precious vegetation. And if it's not red meat eating farmers, then it's immigrants who are grateful for whatever they can get.

Now, I'm sure there are exceptions and some of you might actually work and harvest your own food, but the majority are just whiney misanthrops or subhumans who can't make up their minds on wether animals feel pain because they live in an ocean compared to living in a hen house or barn. The only way to justify milk drinking if we produced all of our dairy products from that of a lactating woman's breasts, as far as I'm concerned. Since I'm not about to drink breast milk, here's to Ol' Bessy.

Make no mistake, I don't live on a farm or claim to, but I also don't complain about what others feel like putting in their stomaches or about how an animal should be treated. I don't do the work, so I can't pass judgement.

I would also like to remind you that there are lot of American friends i have who have chosen to be Vegans.They are ok with it.Its just a matter of personal choice, but its important that we accept every sect of it.

Well as for me I had no chosing or moral considerations (I'm amoral by default),
one day I just got very sick from eating meat.
And now I can not think of a more disgusting way to pollute and mutilate my organism than eating flesh of animals.
It's weird how my inner brain-world affects my physical body.