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spookz
10-21-02, 10:58 PM
battery

The Agastya Samhita, an ancient Indian text, gives directions on how to make a battery: "Place a well-cleaned copper plate in an earthenware vessel. Cover it first by copper sulfate and then moist sawdust. After that put a mercury-amalgamated-zinc sheet on top of an energy known by the twin name of Mitra-Varuna. Water will be split by this current into Pranavayu and Udanavayu. A chain of one hundred jars is said to give a very active and effective force." By the way, Mitra-Varuna is now called cathode-anode, and Pranavayu and Udanavayu are to us oxygen and hydrogen, respectively.

UltiTruth
10-22-02, 11:15 AM
Yet another pointer that a lot of technology remains to be explored in the ancient Indian texts!
spookz, do you have an idea of
(1) where the ancient texts are currently available
(2) of any English translations of them?

spookz
10-22-02, 11:33 AM
The Indian Emperor Ashoka started a "Secret Society of the Nine Unknown Men": great Indian scientists who were supposed to catalogue the many sciences. Ashoka kept their work secret because he was afraid that the advanced science catalogued by these men, culled from ancient Indian sources, would be used for the evil purpose of war, which Ashoka was strongly against, having been converted to Buddhism after defeating a rival army in a bloody battle.

The "Nine Unknown Men" wrote a total of nine books, presumably one each. Book number was "The Secrets of Gravitation!" This book, known to historians, but not actually seen by them dealt chiefly with "gravity control." It is presumably still around somewhere, kept in a secret library in India, Tibet or elsewhere (perhaps even in North America somewhere). One can certainly understand Ashoka's reasoning for wanting to keep such knowledge a secret, assuming it exists. if the Nazis had such weapons at their disposal during World War Ii. Ashoka was also aware devastating wars using such advanced vehicles and other "futuristic weapons" that had destroyed the ancient Indian "Rama Empire" several thousand years before.

Only a few years ago, the Chinese discovered some Sanskrit documents in Lhasa, Tibet and sent them to the University of Chandrigarh to be translated. Dr. Ruth Reyna of the University said recently that the documents contain directions for building interstellar spaceships!

Their method of propulsion, she said, was "anti-gravitational" and was based upon a system analogous to that of "laghima," the unknown power of the ego existing in man's physiological makeup, "a centrifugal force strong enough to counteract all gravitational pull." According to Hindu Yogis, it is this "laghima" which enables a person to levitate.

Dr. Reyna said that on board these machines, which were called "Astras" by the text, the ancient Indians could have sent a detachment of men onto any planet, according to the document, which is thought to be thousands of years old. The manuscripts were also said to reveal the secret of "antima"; "the cap of invisibility" and "garima"; "how to become as heavy as a mountain of lead."

Naturally, Indian scientists did not take the texts very seriously, but then became more positive about the value of them when the Chinese announced that they were including certain parts of the data for study in their space program! This was one of the first instances of a government admitting to be researching anti-gravity.

The manuscripts did not say definitely that interplanetary travel was ever made but did mention, of all things, a planned trip to the Moon, though it is not clear whether this trip was actually carried out. However, one of the great Indian epics, the Ramayana, does have a highly detailed story in it of a trip to the moon in a Vimana (or "Astra"), and in fact details a battle on the moon with an "Asvin" (or Atlantean" airship.

This is but a small bit of recent evidence of anti-gravity and aerospace technology used by Indians. To really understand the technology, we must go much further back in time.

The so-called "Rama Empire" of Northern India and Pakistan developed at least fifteen thousand years ago on the Indian sub-continent and was a nation of many large, sophisticated cities, many of which are still to be found in the deserts of Pakistan, northern, and western India. Rama existed, apparently, parallel to the Atlantean civilization in the mid-Atlantic Ocean, and was ruled by "enlightened Priest-Kings" who governed the cities, The seven greatest capital cities of Rama were known in classical Hindu texts as "The Seven Rishi Cities."

According to ancient Indian texts, the people had flying machines which were called "Vimanas." The ancient Indian epic describes a Vimana as a double-deck, circular aircraft with portholes and a dome, much as we would imagine a flying saucer.

It flew with the "speed of the wind" and gave forth a "melodious sound." There were at least four different types of Vimanas; some saucer shaped, others like long cylinders ("cigar shaped airships"). The ancient Indian texts on Vimanas are so numerous, it would take volumes to relate what they had to say. The ancient Indians, who manufactured these ships themselves, wrote entire flight manuals on the control of the various types of Vimanas, many of which are still in existence, and some have even been translated into English.

The Samara Sutradhara is a scientific treatise dealing with every possible angle of air travel in a Vimana. There are 230 stanzas dealing with the construction, take-off, cruising for thousand of miles, normal and forced landings, and even possible collisions with birds. In 1875, the Vaimanika Sastra, a fourth century B.C. text written by Bharadvajy the Wise, using even older texts as his source, was rediscovered in a temple in India. It dealt with the operation of Vimanas and included information on the steering, precautions for long flights, protection of the airships from storms and lightening and how to switch the drive to "solar energy" from a free energy source which sounds like "anti-gravity."

The Vaimanika Sastra (or Vymaanika-Shaastra) has eight chapters with diagrams, describing three types of aircraft, including apparatuses that could neither catch on fire nor break. It also mentions 31 essential parts of these vehicles and 16 materials from which they are constructed, which absorb light and heat; for which reason they were considered suitable for the construction of Vimanas. This document has been translated into English and is available by writing the publisher: VYMAANIDASHAASTRA AERONAUTICS by Maharishi Bharadwaaja, translated into English and edited, printed and published by Mr. G. R. Josyer, Mysore, India, 1979 (sorry, no street address). Mr. Josyer is the director of the International Academy of Sanskrit Investigation located in Mysore.

There seems to be no doubt that Vimanas were powered by some sort of "anti-gravity." Vimanas took off vertically, and were capable of hovering in the sky, like a modern helicopter or dirigible. Bharadvajy the Wise refers to no less than 70 authorities and 10 experts of air travel in antiquity. These sources are now lost.

Vimanas were kept in a Vimana Griha, a kind of hanger, and were sometimes said to be propelled by a yellowish-white liquid, and sometimes by some sort of mercury compound, though writers seem confused in this matter. It is most likely that the later writers on Vimanas, wrote as observers and from earlier texts, and were understandably confused on the principle of their propulsion. The "yellowish-white liquid" sounds suspiciously like gasoline, and perhaps Vimanas had a number of different propulsion sources, including combustion engines and even "pulse-jet" engines. It is interesting to note, that the Nazis developed the first practical pulse-jet engines for their V-8 rocket "buzz bombs." Hitler and the Nazi staff were exceptionally interested in ancient India and Tibet and sent expeditions to both these places yearly, starting in the 30's, in order to gather esoteric evidence that they did so, and perhaps it was from these people that the Nazis gained some of their scientific information!

According to the Dronaparva, part of the Mahabarata, and the Ramayana, one Vimana described was shaped like a sphere and born along at great speed on a mighty wind generated by mercury. It moved like a UFO, going up, down, backwards and forewards as the pilot desired. In another Indian source, the Samar, Vimanas were "iron machines, well-knit and smooth, with a charge of mercury that shot out of the back in the form of a roaring flame." Another work called the Samaranganasutradhara describes how the vehicles were constructed. It is possible that mercury did have something to do with the propulsion, or more possibly, with the guidance system. Curiously, Soviet scientists have discovered what they call "age-old instruments used in navigating cosmic vehicles" in caves in Turkestan and the Gobi Desert. The "devices" are hemispherical objects of glass or porcelain, ending in a cone with a drop of mercury inside.

It is evident that ancient Indians flew around in these vehicles, all over Asia, to Atlantis presumably; and even, apparently, to South America. Writing found at Mohenjodaro in Pakistan (presumed to be one of the "Seven Rishi Cities of the Rama Empire") and still undeciphered, has also been found in one other place in the world: Easter Island! Writing on Easter Island, called Rongo-Rongo writing, is also undeciphered, and is uncannily similar to the Mohenjodaro script. Was Easter Island an air base for the Rama Empire's Vimana route? (At the Mohenjo-Daro Vimana-drome, as the passenger walks down the concourse, he hears the sweet, melodic sound of the announcer over the loudspeaker,

"Rama Airways flight number seven for Bali, Easter Island, Nazca, and Atlantis is now ready for boarding. Passengers please proceed to gate number..") in Tibet, no small distance, and speaks of the "fiery chariot" thusly: "Bhima flew along in his car, resplendent as the sun and loud as thunder... The flying chariot shone like a flame in the night sky of summer ... it swept by like a comet... It was as if two suns were shining. Then the chariot rose up and all the heaven brightened."

In the Mahavira of Bhavabhuti, a Jain text of the eighth century culled from older texts and traditions, we read: "An aerial chariot, the Pushpaka, conveys many people to the capital of Ayodhya.

The sky is full of stupendous flying-machines, dark as night, but picked out by lights with a yellowish glare-"

The Vedas, ancient Hindu poems, thought to be the oldest of all the Indian texts, describe Vimanas of various shapes and sizes: the "ahnihotra-vimana" with two engines, the "elephant-vimana" with more engines, and other types named after the kingfisher, ibis and other animals.

by D. Hatcher Childress

spookz
10-22-02, 11:45 AM
Sanskrit and Pali literature has innumerable references to the maritime activity of Indians in ancient times. There is also one treatise in Sanskrit, named Yukti Kalpa Taru which has been compiled by a person called Bhoja Narapati. (The Yukti Kalpa Taru (YKT) had been translated and published by Prof. Aufrecht in his 'Catalogue of Sanskrit Manu scripts. An excellent study of the YKT had been undertaken by Dr. Radha Kumud Mookerji entitled 'Indian Shipping'. Published by Orient Longman, Bombay in 1912.)

This treatise gives a technocratic exposition on the technique of
shipbuilding. It sets forth minute details about the various types of ships, their sizes, the materials from which they were built. The Yukti Kalpa Taru sums up in a condensed form all the available information

The Yukti Kalpa Taru gives sufficient information and date to prove that in ancient times, Indian shipbuilders had a good knowledge of the materials which were used in building ships. Apart from describing the qualities of the different types of wood and their suitablility in shipbuilding, the Yukti Kalpa Taru also gives an elaborate classification of ships based on their size.

The primary division is into 2 classes viz. Samanya (ordinary) and Vishesha (Special). The ordinary type for sea voyages. Ships that undertook sea voyages were classified into, Dirgha type of ships which had a long and narrow hull and the Unnata type of ships which had a higher hull.

The treatise also gives elaborate directions for decorating and furnishing the ships with a view to making them comfortable for passengers. Also mentioned are details about the internal seating and accommodation to be provided on the ships. Three classes of ships are distinguished according to their length and the position of cabins. The ships having cabins extending from one end of the deck to the other are called Sarvamandira vessels. These ships are recommended for the transport of royal treasure and horses. The next are the Madhyamarnandira vessels which have cabins only in the middle part of their deck. these vessels are recommended for pleasure trips. And finally there is a category of Agramandira vessels, these ships were used mainly in warfare.

MACCHA-YANTRA - THE ANCIENT INDIAN MARINER'S COMPASS

Interestingly there were Sanskrit terms for many parts of a ship. The ship's anchor was known as Nava-Bandhan-Kilaha which literally means 'A Nail to tie up a ship' . The sail was called Vata Vastra a which means 'wind-cloth'. The hull was termed StulaBhaga i.e. an'expanded area'. The rudder was called Keni-Pata, Pata means blade; the rudder was also known as Karna which literally means a 'ear' and was so called because it used to be a hollow curved blade, as is found today in exhaust fans. The ship's keel was called Nava-Tala which means 'bottom of a ship'. The mast was known as Kupadanda, in which danda means a pole.

Even a sextant was used for navigation and was called Vruttashanga-Bhaga. But what is more surprising is that even a contrived mariner's compass was used by Indian navigators nearly 1500 to 2000 years ago. This claim is not being made in an overzealous nationalistic spirit. This has in fact been the suggestion of an European expert, Mr. J.L. Reid, who was a member of the Institute of Naval Architects and Shipbuilders in England at around the beginning of the present century. This is what Mr. Reid has said in the Bombay Gazetteer, vol. xiii., Part ii., Appendix A.

"The early Hindu astrologers are said to have used the magnet, in fixing the North and East, in laying foundations, and other religious ceremonies. The Hindu compass was an iron fish that floated in a vessel of oil and pointed to the North. The fact of this older Hindu compass seems placed beyond doubt by the Sanskrit word Maccha Yantra, or fish machine, which Molesworth gives as a name for the mariner's compass".

It is significant to note that these are the words of a foreign Naval Architect and Shipbuilding Expert. Is is thus quite possible that the Maccha Yantra (fish machine) was transmitted to the west by the Arabs to give us the mariner's compass of today.

shipbuilding (http://india.coolatlanta.com/GreatPages/sudheer/ship.html)

spookz
10-22-02, 11:51 AM
algebra

In ancient India conventional mathematics termed Ganitam was known before the development of algebra. This is borne out by the name - Bijaganitam, which was given to the algebraic form of computation. Bijaganitam means 'the other mathematics' (Bija means 'another' or 'second' and Ganitam means mathematics). The fact that this name was chosen for this system of computation implies that it was recognised as a parallel system of computation, different from the conventional one which was used since the past and was till then the only one. Some have interpreted the term Bija to mean seed, symbolizing origin or beginning. And the inference that Bijaganitam was the original form of computation is derived. Credence is lent to this view by the existence of mathematics in the Vedic literature which was also shorthand method of computation. But whatever the origin of algebra, it is certain that this technique of computation Originated in India and was current around 1500 years back. Aryabhatta an Indian mathematican who lived in the 5th century A.D. has referred to Bijaganitam in his treatise on Mathematics, Aryabhattiya. An Indian mathematician - astronomer, Bhaskaracharya has also authored a treatise on this subject. the treatise which is dated around the 12th century A.D. is entitled 'Siddhanta-Shiromani' of which one section is entitled Bijaganitam.

geometry

But even in the area of Geometry, Indian mathematicians had their contribution. There was an area of mathematical applications called Rekha Ganita (Line Computation). The Sulva Sutras, which literally mean 'Rule of the Chord' give geometrical methods of constructing altars and temples. The temples layouts were called Mandalas. Some of important works in this field are by Apastamba, Baudhayana, Hiranyakesin, Manava, Varaha and Vadhula.

The Arab scholar Mohammed Ibn Jubair al Battani studied Indian use of ratios from Retha Ganita and introduced them among the Arab scholars like Al Khwarazmi, Washiya and Abe Mashar who incorporated the newly acquired knowledge of algebra and other branches of Indian mathema into the Arab ideas about the subject.

The chief exponent of this Indo-Arab amalgam in mathematics was Al Khwarazmi who evolved a technique of calculation from Indian sources. This technique which was named by westerners after Al Khwarazmi as "Algorismi" gave us the modern term Algorithm, which is used in computer software.

Algorithm which is a process of calculation based on decimal notation numbers. This method was deduced by Khwarazmi from the Indian techniques geometric computation which he had st ied. Al Khwarazmi's work was translated into Latin under the title "De Numero Indico" which means 'of Indian Numerals' thus betraying its Indian origin. This translation which belong to the 12th century A.D credited to one Adelard who lived in a town called Bath in Britian.

Thus Al Khwarazmi and Adelard could looked upon as pioneers who transmit Indian numerals to the west. Incidents according to the Oxford Dictionary, word algorithm which we use in the English language is a corruption of the name Khwarazmi which literally means '(a person) from Khawarizm', which was the name of the town where Al Khwarazmi lived. To day unfortunately', the original Indian texts that Al Khwarazmi studied arelost to us, only the translations are avail able .

The Arabs borrowed so much from India the field of mathematics that even the subject of mathematics in Arabic came to known as Hindsa which means 'from India and a mathematician or engineer in Arabic is called Muhandis which means 'an expert in Mathematics'. The word Muhandis possibly derived from the Arabic term mathematics viz. Hindsa.


The Concept of Zero

The concept of zero also originated in ancient India. This concept may seem to be a very ordinary one and a claim to its discovery may be viewed as queer. But if one gives a hard thought to this concept it would be seen that zero is not just a numeral. Apart from being a numeral, it is also a concept, and a fundamental one at that. It is fundamental because, terms to identify visible or perceptible objects do not require much ingenuity.

But a concept and symbol that connotes nullity represents a qualitative advancement of the human capacity of abstraction. In absence of a concept of zero there could have been only positive numerals in computation, the inclusion of zero in mathematics opened up a new dimension of negative numerals and gave a cut off point and a standard in the measurability of qualities whose extremes are as yet unknown to human beings, such as temperature.

In ancient India this numeral was used in computation, it was indicated by a dot and was termed Pujyam. Even today we use this term for zero along with the more current term Shunyam meaning a blank. But queerly the term Pujyam also means holy. Param-Pujya is a prefix used in written communication with elders. In this case it means respected or esteemed. The reason why the term Pujya - meaning blank - came to be sanctified can only be guessed."

The ancient India astronomer Brahmagupta is credited with having put forth the concept of zero for the first time: Brahmagupta is said to have been born the year 598 A.D. at Bhillamala (today's Bhinmal ) in Gujarat, Western India. ] much is known about Brahmagupta's early life. We are told that his name as a mathematician was well established when K Vyaghramukha of the Chapa dyansty m him the court astronomer. Of his two treatises, Brahma-sputa siddhanta and Karanakhandakhadyaka, first is more famous. It was a corrected version of the old Astronomical text, Brahma siddhanta. It was in his Brahma-sphu siddhanta, for the first time ever had be formulated the rules of the operation zero, foreshadowing the decimal system numeration. With the integration of zero into the numerals it became possible to note higher numerals with limited charecters.

In the earlier Roman and Babylonian systems of numeration, a large number of chara acters were required to denote higher numerals. Thus enumeration and computation became unwieldy. For instance, as E the Roman system of numeration, the number thirty would have to be written as X: while as per the decimal system it would 30, further the number thirty three would be XXXIII as per the Roman system, would be 33 as per the decimal system. Thus it is clear how the introduction of the decimal system made possible the writing of numerals having a high value with limited characters. This also made computation easier.

Apart from developing the decimal system based on the incorporation of zero in enumeration, Brahmagupta also arrived at solutions for indeterminate equations of 1 type ax2+1=y2 and thus can be called the founder of higher branch of mathematics called numerical analysis. Brahmagupta's treatise Brahma-sputa-siddhanta was translated into Arabic under the title Sind Hind).

math (http://india.coolatlanta.com/GreatPages/sudheer/maths.html)

better link (http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Indexes/Indians.html) The Bakhshali manuscript (http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/HistTopics/Bakhshali_manuscript.html)

spookz
10-22-02, 12:09 PM
physics

Since ancient times Indian philosophers believed that except Akash (ether), all other elements were physically palpable and hence comprised miniscule particles of matter. The last miniscule particle of matter which could not be subdivided further was termed Parmanu. The word Parmanu is a combination of Param, meaning beyond, and any me[[aning atom. Thus the term Parmanu is suggestive of the possibility that, at least at an abstract level Indian philosophers in ancient times had conceived the possibility of splitting an atom which, as we know today, is the source of atomic energy. This Indian concept of the atom was developed independently and prior to the development of the idea in the Greco-Roman world. The first Indian philosopher who formulated ideas about the atom in a systematic manner was Kanada who lived in the 6th century B.C. Another Indian philosopher, Pakudha Katyayana who also lived in the 6th century B.C. and was a contemporary of Gautama Buddha, had also propounded ideas about the atomic constitution of the material world

These philosophers considered the Atom to be indestructible and hence eternal. The Buddhists believed atoms to be minute objects invisible to the naked eye and which come into being and vanish in an instant. The Vaisheshika school of philosophers believed that an atom was a mere point in space. Indian theories about the atom are greatly abstract and enmeshed in philosophy as they were based on logic and not on personal experience or experimentation. Thus the Indian theories lacked an empirical base, but in the words of A.L. Basham, the veteran Australian Indologist "they were brilliant imaginative explanations of the physical structure of the world, and in a large measure, agreed with the discoveries of modern physics."

chemistry

In ancient India, chemistry was caled Rasayan Shastra, Rasa-Vidya, Rasatantra and Rasakriya all of which roughly mean 'Science of liquids'. There also existed chemical laboratories and chemicals works, which were called Rasakriya-nagaram and Rasakriya-shala which literally mean 'School where liquids are activated'. A chemist was referred to as a Rasadnya and Rasa-tantra-vid which mean 'Person having knowledge about liquids. Apart from the term Rasa which means liquid, another word, Dravya which means slurry, was also used to refer to chemicals. Thus, in ancient India, chemistry was evidently developed to a significant level.

Metallurgy was an important activity the world over. In fact the discovery of smelting of metals made possible the progress of society from the Stone Age to the Bronze and Iron Ages. In the area of smelting metals, Indians had acquired proficiency in the extraction of metals from ore, and also in the casting of metals. In very early times: around 2000 B.C. the idea of smelting metals was known in Mesopotemia and the Near East. It is possible that Indians could have borrowed the idea from an outside source. It is generally agreed that the Aryan tribes who are said to have destroyed the Indus Valley civilization had bronze weapons which helped them to overcome the otherwise more advanced people of the Indus cities.

Though Indians could have had borrowed the idea of smelting metals from an outside source, they seem to have had used metals in warfare from around 1500 B.G when the Aryans are said to have invaded the Indus Valley cities. The next definite reference to the use of metals by Indian soldiers is by the Greeks. The Greek historian Herodotus has observed in the 5th century that "Indians in the Persian army used arrows tipped with iron". Indian steel and iron were reportedly being used by the Romans for manufacturing armour as well as cutlery. But these references apart, it is in India itself that we find actual objects that reflect the advancement of the technique of smelting.

physics and chemistry (http://india.coolatlanta.com/GreatPages/sudheer/physics.html)

spookz
10-22-02, 12:18 PM
In Indian languages, the science of Astronomy is today called Khagola-shastra. The word Khagola perhaps is derived from the famous astronomical observatory at the University of Nalanda which was called Khagola. It was at Khagola that the famous 5th century Indian Astronomer Aryabhatta studied and extended the subject.

Aryabhatta is said to have been born in 476 A.D. at a town called Ashmaka in today's Indian state of Kerala. When he was still a young boy he had been sent to the University of Nalanda to study astronomy. He made significant contributions to the field of astronomy. He also propounded the Heliocentric theory of gravitation, thus predating Copernicus by almost one thousand years.

Aryabhatta's Magnum Opus, the Aryabhattiya was translated into Latin in the 13th century. Through this translation, European mathematicians got to know methods for calculating the areas of triangles, volumes of spheres as well as square and cube root. Aryabhatta's ideas about eclipses and the sun being the source of moonlight may not have caused much of an impression on European astronomers as by then they had come to know of these facts throught the observations of Copernicus and Galileo.

But considering that Aryabhatta discovered these facts 1500 years ago, and 1000 years before Copernicus and Galileo makes him a pioneer in this area too. Aryabhatta's methods of astronomical calculations expounded in his Aryabhatta-siddhanta were reliable for practical purposes of fixing the Panchanga (Hindu calendar). Thus in ancient India, eclipses were also forecast and their true nature was perceived at least by the astronomers.

The lack of a telescope hindered further advancement of ancient Indian astronomy. Though it should be admitted that with their unaided observations with crude instruments, the astronomers in ancient India were able to arrive at near perfect measurement of astronomical movements and predict eclipses.


Indian astronomers also propounded the theory that the earth was a sphere. Aryabhatta was the first one to have propounded this theory in the 5th century. Another Indian astronomer, Brahmagupta estimated in the 7th century that the circumference of the earth was 5000 yojanas. A yojana is around 7.2 kms. Calculating on this basis we see that the estimate of 36,000 kms as the earth's circumference comes quite close to the actual circumference known today.

Khagola-Shastra - Astronomy (http://india.coolatlanta.com/GreatPages/sudheer/astro.html)

spookz
10-22-02, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by UltiTruth
Yet another pointer that a lot of technology remains to be explored in the ancient Indian texts!
spookz, do you have an idea of
(1) where the ancient texts are currently available
(2) of any English translations of them?


i have been looking. i am hoping to find texts of a more objective nature. its not that there are deliberate falsehoods but rather an exaggeration of fact (methinks). a lot this stuff on the net has a nationalistic and pro indian bias

try these

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/indnet-textarchive.html

http://www.jambudvipa.net/sanskrit.htm#E-texts

if all else fails... (http://acharya.iitm.ac.in/sanskrit/tutor.html)

Avatar
10-22-02, 01:41 PM
most interesting

keep up the great job:)

spookz
12-11-02, 09:28 PM
"...There is one book entitled Vaimanika-sastra that was dictated in trance during this century and purports to be a transcription of an ancient work preserved in the Akashic record."
"The medium in this case was Pandit Subbaraya Sastry, a 'walking lexicon gifted with occult perception', who began to dictate the Vaimanika-sastra to Mr. Venkatachala Sarma on August 1, 1918. The complete work was taken down in 23 exercise books up to August 23, 1923. In 1923, Subbaraya Sastry also had a draftsman prepare some drawings of the vimanas according to his instructions." (Richard L. Thompson)

thats kinda bogus!

kmguru
12-11-02, 11:12 PM
Most of the texts are out of sight from engineers and technologists. So interpretations can be a serious problem - specially by priests or technology challenged people.

Access to Akashic records is possible as I have done through lucid dream process. I can draw designs of vehicles that is not available on earth in this time period.

Avatar
12-12-02, 01:59 PM
can you try to dublicate the technology?

spookz
12-12-02, 02:13 PM
kmguru

you are starting to pique my interest and i am not quite sure what to make of you.
you throw out these little crumbs of info, make allusions to hidden stuff....
i say release all you have! to the americans, to the russians, to radioshack.
anything less is unacceptable!



:D

kmguru
12-12-02, 02:54 PM
Hi spookz:

What can I say...I am a capitalist pig. I have to keep the kernel for myself and my compadres. :D

Rick
12-13-02, 06:52 AM
Akashic records are incidentally mentioned in Mahabharata too.

<b><i>What Definition of Akashic Record might be...</b></i>


A theosophical term referring to an universal filing system which records every occurring thought, word, and action. The records are impressed on a subtle substance called akasha. In Hindu mysticism this akasha is thought to be the primary principle of nature from which the other four natural principles, fire, air, earth, and water, are created. These five principles also represent the five senses of the human being.



Some indicate the akashic records are similar to a Cosmic or collective consciousness. The records have been referred to by different names including the Cosmic Mind, the Universal Mind, the collective unconscious, or the collective subconscious. Others think the akashic records make clairvoyance and psychic perception possible.

It is believed by some that the events recorded upon that akasha can be ascertained or read in certain states of consciousness. Such states of consciousness can be induced by certain stages of sleep, weakness, illness, drugs, and meditation so not only mystics but ordinary people can and do perceive the akashic records. Some mystics claim to be able to reanimate their contents like they were turning on a celestial television set. Yogis also believe that these records can be perceived in certain psychic states.


Certain persons in subconscious states do read the akashic records. An explanation for this phenomena is that the akashic records are the macrocosm of the individual subconscious mind. Both function similarly, they possess thoughts which are never forgotten. The collective subconscious gathers all thoughts from each subconscious mind which can be read by other subconscious minds.


ASTRAL PLANE AND PERCIEVING AKASHIC RECORDS THROUGH THE ASTRAL PROJECTIONS


This seems quite similiar to astral plane.And people who have had astral experiences have actually percieved the presence of these records.Like for example during my projection i was seeing Things that were not supposed to be there in our house.this essentially meant that the furniture's memory was there and therefore it seemed all jumbled up.
Thus you <i>can</i> surely access past information using this plane...

thanks for your time.

bye!

spookz
12-13-02, 09:58 AM
i remember reading lobsang rampa couple of decades ago. a reincarnated lama in the body of a sucidal english plumber! my first intro to all things new age. his description of akashic stuff (if memory serves me) is a specific place,
a hall of some sorts........

the guy rocked, had all his books.

:)

too cool, found shit on web, what a blast!

"Another way that the better evolved person can know about the future is this; he is able to travel beyond the astral plane and up into what, for want of a better term, we might call the primary spirit world. There he can consult the Akashic Record and the Record of Probabilities because it is not at all difficult to see what the probabilities of a person or of a nation are. One cannot always say precisely what is going to happen to an individual to the actual minute or even to the hour, but one can most certainly say what is going to happen to a country or to the world."

" So if anyone tells you that he is going to go into the astral world and bring back your Akashic Record for fifty dollars - hang on to your fifty dollars!

It is a fortunate provision that not everyone can see the Akashic Record because think what a terrible weapon it would be in the hands of blackmailers or criminals. Indiscriminate use of the Akashic Record would cause untold harm. Thus, it is that only those who are of pure intention can gain access to the Akashic Record.

What is this Akashic Record? It is like a cinematograph film. For example, you have some great epic of the silver screen and if you know how, you can get any particular part of the film, and you can see any particular part at will. In much the same way, everything that has happened in the past is on record. Look at it in this way - let us assume something that is only possible in the astral, assume that in the physical we could travel instantaneously to a far, far distant planet - thousands of light years away. Then supposing we had an instrument which would enable you to see what was happening on Earth - you would not, of course, see Earth as it is now but you would see Earth as it was years ago, because light has a speed, everything you see is after the thing happened. The speed of light is very, very fast, relatively speaking.

But let us consider sound instead. You see that man down there half a mile away? He has an axe on his hand, he is chopping wood with great energy. You see the axe hit the wood and then, an appreciable time after, you hear the sound. Again, a supersonic jet plane screams across the sky, you look up to where the sound appears to be coming from but by that time the plane is about five miles or so ahead of the sound that you are hearing. The speed of sound is slow compared to the speed of light, and light, remember, is near enough sight.

Supposing you have the ability to go instantly out into space and stop at any particular instant and see clearly the light picture, which is arriving from Earth - go out a few years, a few light years - that is, you know, then you will s what shall we say? - we might see Napoleon marching away to Moscow, or we might see General Eisenhower practising his golf. But go a bit farther and you would see much of the country of the United States covered with bushes, with wigwams and with Indians, and perhaps here and there a few of the famed covered wagons.

Go farther hack, go back 1,000 years or so, 2,000 years, go back into the pages of history. You would find that history is very different from that which is written in the history books. History is written to fit the politics of the time, to fit the mood of the country and the beliefs of the country. A journey into the Akashic would show you the truth. As an illustration let us quote Francis Drake, the great hero of England. What is it to be? Sir Francis Drake the great hero of England, or, as the Spanish people view him, Francis Drake the pirate, the buccaneer, the man who tried to ruin the Spanish trade?

Look at the Spanish Inquisition. What was the truth of it? Were the inquisitors saints or was it similar to Belsen and other concentration camps in Germany? The Akashic Record will tell you.

But the Akashic Record, you know, is not just what happened in the past, you can see also the great probabilities for the future. Here in this particular time we are like a man alone on a winding road, a road with many obstacles beyond which he cannot see, but put that man up in a helicopter and he can see farther, he can see past the obstacles, he can see the road ahead. So it is with the Akashic Record, you can see the probabilities, which lie ahead.

Now this does not mean that all the future is predestined. The main events are, yes. As an example let me say you know that there will be a tomorrow and a day after tomorrow and a week after that, you can safely forecast that, but you cannot safely forecast the minor minute details. You can say that a bus will go from here to some distant point, the timetable tells you that it will leave at such - and - such a time and that it will arrive at inttermediate stations at such - and - such a time, and eventually arrive at the destination at the prearranged time. You have no fear that the bus or train will fail to arrive, in other words you are forecasting what will happen. You are forecasting the future of that bus.

There is a very complicated theory, which is actually a very true theory about parallel universes, and to the effect that everything has already happened and that we are living in a different time continuum. However, we do not propose to go into that here, instead let it be stated that the Seers of old could see into the future, the Seers of the present can do so also." (lobsang rampa)

rampa (http://www.galactic.no/rampa/#english)

antichrist=peace
12-31-02, 03:57 PM
Very good work in bringing to the conciousness of even a few men the profound Knowledge which is Veda. This Knowledge will soon be restored to the consciousness of all Humanity. Keep searching but direct your search towards your Self. These Vedic works are manuels of how to live in this world, and the purpose of living in this world is to understand your true Divinity!

Avatar
12-31-02, 04:10 PM
anyone has heard of the "last message" or SoHm ?
what do you think of it?
is it unjust or just to protect us?

I'm not going to explain anything
those who know will undestand

prozak
01-05-03, 08:23 PM
Ancient Indic Aryans had batteries and flying saucers?

Well, this should be interesting.

Rajagopals
01-10-03, 08:06 AM
Dear friends,

I read all the above postings and I wanted to share a personal experience of mine.

This event happened few years back. I lived in Kerala, India at that time. I had a Brahmin (a cast in Hindu) friend who is a musician. I used to spend time with this man. He is a great artist and well respected through out Kerala and India. I met a friend of this musician a Brahmin who is from a very aristocratic family of Kerala at his house who was searching for a particular medicine to complete a recipe for making air-condition effect with few plants. He said he has come to stage of making a ball out of plants, which emits cool air. He was in search of the one medicine, which he wanted but was not able to identify. I too have a bit of knowledge of ayurveda and medicines. So I asked him in which text book did he found this recipe, which I was sure is not there in any of the ayuveda or related books ( My guru owns a library of very old books). He told me that this was from a very old book that’s all. When he left my friend’s house I asked my friend about that book and he told me that it was Vaimanika Tantra. I was amzed that this person is having that. The only problem is the man who own the book as a very particular character. Like I said he is a Brahmin, from a very aristocratic family, and he was studying Chenda (drum) from my friend, even though is supposed to be doing meditation and doing Pooja in temples. He also carries with him a metallic box and knife which he himself made out combinations of metals, used to keep all the things needed to make a Pan (chewing few things along with tubaco). He is not married ( aged around 50+) and doesn’t care about nothing in life, nor behave properly to anyone, and not at all bothered about money or any material possession. Love and respect are the only things to tame such tough persons. To be precise these Brahmins have a particular character of only accepting another Brahmin and all other casts are expelled out of their system. And they will die rather that sharing the information with a non-Brahmin. So he made fun of me for further enquiring about the book and its content. I knew the plan which he wanted and confirmed thorugh another person, so I challenged him that he is never going to make it. He accepted it with a smile. And there ends the story.

Many such books are there with Brahmin people from Kerala. But the problem is they never care about nothing in life. As they believe in simple living.

If its for a research purpose or higher studies or anything not related to money making, I can at least guide people to this person. To get the book from will be impossible, but I believe nothing is impossible so I welcome you all to interact with about this topics further.

And about Vaimanika tantra as I could collect information from few other friends of mine, is only like a GUI, the core of the stuff runs behind the screens. The book details all about making beautiful Vimanas (aero plane) but nothing about the engine nor fuel. The book is meant for someone who is a designer of vehicles, that’s all. It describes about making vehicles (vimanas) with materials available at that time. The rest is left to the pilot or the owner who is flying with it.

Do you know the bad character in Ramayana, that’s is Ravananan, is the one who is said to posses the best vimana. The reason is very funny. He was one of the greates saints of that time. He is the only one human being upon who’s call Lord Shiva appears before him in person. He was the master of all things on earth (music, bhakthi, meditation, anything under the sun). He is the first disciple to Lord Shiva. He is the No 1. human being, but still they portrayed him as the bad guy. May be fate or a drama which he deliberately played. At the time of the birth of this great man, his father who was the greatest saint, who had the power to stop all the navagrahas ( the nine stars) to its best position so that the human born at that time becomes the best human being. And his father did that but there also un-luck ! That is the time when Gulikan ( a new star) was born which stood in a bad position in the astrological chart which upset all other settings and gave him a bad end.

Sorry for the long story, coming to the point, its about the yogic power of the person. A vimana can only be flown by a person who has achieved the sidhy (yogic power) of Laghima (weightlessness) and this is achieved only through pranayama. So the book is a bogus one. Or rather a fake. Its to cheat the people who are after the information. And this never falls in to the nine books written by Nine Unknown Men (NUM) also.

NUM never wrote any books neither they need to write books to conceal any information. They are immortal souls and more over they are at your command if you just change few characters you have. The information about NUM are just as open as sky. Its out there in Ramayana, Mahabharatha, and many other books. Its is also written that only people having particular state of mind can only see them or hear them or interact with them. Never follow footsteps, make milestones of your own.

Those people who only know to love how can they cheat you ?

Soham,

Raj

spookz
01-10-03, 08:27 AM
In 1875, the Vaimanika Sastra, a fourth century B.C. text written by Bharadvajy the Wise, using even older texts as his source, was rediscovered in a temple in India.

...There is one book entitled Vaimanika-sastra that was dictated in trance during this century and purports to be a transcription of an ancient work preserved in the Akashic record."
"The medium in this case was Pandit Subbaraya Sastry, a 'walking lexicon gifted with occult perception', who began to dictate the Vaimanika-sastra to Mr. Venkatachala Sarma on August 1, 1918. The complete work was taken down in 23 exercise books up to August 23, 1923. In 1923, Subbaraya Sastry also had a draftsman prepare some drawings of the vimanas according to his instructions." (Richard L. Thompson)

i agree. the book's authencity is questionable. notice the contradiction in dates and supposed origin.
very insightful post. i especially liked "Never follow footsteps, make milestones of your own. "
thanks

:)

Rajagopals
01-10-03, 08:38 AM
Dear spookz

read one of my articles...

http://rajagopal.webhostme.com/is_time_real.htm

its fun and I feel "could be used as paint for a mile stone ! "

love

raj

spookz
01-10-03, 10:50 AM
oh! oh!
please say you will be best buddies with me! please!!

:D

Recently this idea has faded since a scientist in Germany has discovered a method with which he was able to transfer sound ( mixed with laser beams ) from one place to another with a speed three times faster than the speed of light and still reproduce the exact sound

documentation?

thanks

UltiTruth
01-10-03, 12:53 PM
Welcome Rajgopals!

Rajagopals
01-11-03, 01:20 AM
Thank you Guys,

And Spookz, first try Discovery Channel, then try with Google or hack in to some govt. site for more information ! Any way even if I am wrong there, I assume you will forgive me for that.

I have the funniest stories for you all.

Read the following ............http://members.tripod.com/siddhar/snow_main.htm

Before you say the whole story is crazy…let me explain…one thing is true…the main yogi in the story.

Sree Sree Sivaprabhakara sidha yogi parama hamsa

Note: (Mahamaye Devi anugrahikkename ! - means pls bless me universal mother and take care of me) I added this sentence because when I talk about such a divine person I should remember Mother so as to absorb any problems (both good and bad) attached to the thought.

He is a parama hamsa. No doubt. Do you know when a man practice Hama Yoga for many years precisely 14 years ( like many divine souls Jesus Christ, Allah, Sree Ram of Ramayana etc who where all missing for about 14 years) he comes to the stage of being a HAMSA Yogi. Being with such a person removes all your bad thoughts. If such a person’s breath falls on you, that removes all deceases. So that’s just a HAMSA Yogi. “Param” means “extreme”. The same Hamsa Yogi when he practices more and become powerful with extreme Yoga Balam (Yogic Power) he becomes Parama Hamsa. So the main Yogi in the story is such a person.

Sree Sree Sivaprabhakara sidha yogi parama hamsa known as Bhagavan in Kerala and all over India and aborad. There are no followers to this Yogi ( I feel like saying just yogi itself is a great insult from my side to this Maha Yogi ) as he tries to keep everyone away. Or rather its impossible to be with him. He lived in Kerala in a very quite manner till 1984 (I am not very sure of the exact date). At that time he was supposed to be believed to have more that 700 years of age.

This Maha Yogi has been with a man, I know very personally, for more than 14 years and from him I have heard most of the stories and all real magical incidents, which took place during his time. Even after this Maha Yogi’s samadhy, few close people have seen him again but he never came in public after that. Sort of missing (My father has seen him personally but I never had that great great blessing!! I miss him like anything!!!!)

Now about this great saint, he had all the ashta sidhis (8 power full magical powers). He had laghima (Levitation power) with which he will get on top of a banana leaf and walk on top of that which originally won’t even support the wait of a big bird. He had taken a man from Kerala to Mumbai in one night and bought him back the same night. Many many such things, which people can never understand nor believe. If I discuss this even my state of mind itself is questioned by the reader ! I know that ! But still “I BELIEVE “.

The great hugging mother of Kerala Matha Amrithananda Mayee has just spend 5 days with this Maha Yogi and he beat the hell out of her, abused her with words, kicked her, spit on her and tried to send her out for her hallucination and related acts. At that time she was just a Krishna bhaktha ( A believer of lord Krishna !). But after 5th day when she left he asked her what she want, and before she say anything told that “ He will make her the mother of the world” which is almost already happening. Many great saints of India are his disciples (not through receiving any deeksha (advice) but just because being with him for some time). No one dare to speak of him. No one has the guts to say anything about him. Nor even keep his photo. But to me who is so dear.

About the Sidha Rayar, in the story. He is a fake guy. I met him once at the samadhy place of this Maha Yogi. When I looked in to this Sidha Rayar’s eyes he got confused. At that time I was a boy, 25 may be, but he got scared. He called me and asked who am I, I said I am no one and just came to see the place. Its not because I have any great powers nor do I look like a great saint, but just because the idiot is making money and ruining the name of the great saint.

Sidha Rayar and his disciples make up all stories. But the Maha Yogi is original and he could have done many things unimaginable for all of us.

I have many many information regarding this Maha Yogi, which I can pass on to people who are interested. I am not trying to propagate any Yoga school nor any paramapara (hierarchy of yoga practice) as there is nothing to promote since there exist nothing but the truth.

Journey of thousand miles starts with one step. Have you taken your’s ?

Lov

Raj

Rajagopals
01-11-03, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by Avatar
anyone has heard of the "last message" or SoHm ?
what do you think of it?
is it unjust or just to protect us?

I'm not going to explain anything
those who know will undestand

I know what it is, to the extend of practicing it. Its nothing but simple method with which you reverse the normal cycle of your breath. To check the originality of what I say. Do this exercise and tell me if you feel something.

Take a breath in and try to make it as long as it can and when it reaches the end (bottom) bend it to mix with the exhaling air and when it reaches the top or rather end of it bend it again to mix with the breath which you are taking in. This itself avoids the natural brake in your breath and makes you a new human being.

More fun, assume that when the breath is coming in, try to mix an unknown energy to it from the bottom side. I mean when the air is coming down send the unknown up and vise versa. If you can feel the unknown correctly, this is the first time you have felt your “self”. Your soul. My dear one just to teach you this much many yoga Gurus will ask for a life time of slavery or time.

Don’t assume you have touched the top but this is just the beginning, I am exposing such things as I know no one is going to steal the real one as it exist within every one so you don’t have to steal it.

More doubts are welcomed. And I saw you saying “ Don’t want to be ordinary!” after all this you will feel at one point of time, that being ordinary is so difficult and it’s the most joyful thing on earth.

Be a vegetarian and only say truth, (You just becomes a saint without your knowledge) and you get the power what is known as Vanee Sudhy (what ever you say becomes truth!)

Have fun,

Lov

raj

spookz
01-11-03, 12:39 PM
raj

elabarate, if possible on vanee sudhy. the spelling doesnt appear to be correct?

thanks

kmguru
01-11-03, 04:09 PM
Are we still on ancient Indian technology?

UltiTruth
01-11-03, 08:59 PM
Are we gonna see the battle of the yogis now?

Rajagopals
01-12-03, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by spookz
raj

elabarate, if possible on vanee sudhy. the spelling doesnt appear to be correct?

thanks

Dear Sppokz, sorry to say that even if my Lord Shiva himself land up and do the convertion from Sanskrit to English you are still going to find some fault. This is not your problem as this language is only a cryptographic tool. Many people assume they understand the meaning of Sanskrit words but the truth is they only read what they are supposed to read. To understand the original meaning of the Sanskrit words you have to learn the theory in details from books like “Siva Swarodai“ (Origin of Sounds) fully written in simple Sanskrit to understand the real meaning of sound and letters when they are clubbed together. After reading and learning these kind of secrets you may be able to at least understand what it means directly and then through years of practice may be the original meaning.

Read this article http://www.malaysia.net/lists/sangkancil/2000-06/msg00554.html

Ka ea ila hrim

Understood anything from the above sentence? A good Sanskrit expert might give few pages of explanation for this as these explain a lot about the divine mother who we all believe and meditate to. This is how Sanskrit is. My spelling will always be wrong, and if what I say reaches you then it meats the purpose, and more over there is s saying, you being good in Sanskrit I assume you will understand it very clearly “Masthaka Jyanam” is better than “Pushthaka Jyanam”. !!

Do you know in which book the most valuable secret is encrypted using Sanskrit. Its is “Soundarya Lahari”. A book which details the beauty of the Devi ( Divine Mother).

Enjoy Sanskrit.

About Vanee Sudhy (I makes a lot of mistakes, mostly deliberate) that quite simple and there is nothing more to explain rather than the food habits. Avoid Garlic (as Allah say he avoids garlic because he meets people who we all do not meet!) and onions basically. No Egg. Fish or meat in any form. As these things increase the Kapha (water deposits) in the body and mostly closes some internal doors which allow us to meditate better. When we eat non-vegetarian food that changes our instinct and makes a person more like “Spooks” - where in the individual is very energetic, smart, a mercurian personality, mostly short in hight, while walking a slight bend towards one side, with lesser lines in hand and who has proven to be a good money maker.

Try to avoid telling lies as much as possible. I know this is impossible for even a period of three months in this cyber age so even the Lord has changed his spec ! Three months is good enough Spookz ! Provided you completely avoid non-veg and lies. There are many ayurvedic medicines which also helps in getting Vanee Sudhy which I don’t know how to translate..if you are very particular I can send you few bottles. And when you are getting Vanee Sudhy never say a bad thing about another person. To be precise you develop a habit of making another person happy by telling him about good things on his/her way. And once you achieve this then also its too much of trouble..I mean…if you tell a lie after that that becomes a truth..this could be about anything on earth. Sounds boring..sorry this is the way it is.

To help you in your preparation for truth and Vanee Sudhy it is also recommended to be in the sunlight in the morning facing the sun when the sun is between North-East and East ( between 3 AM – 6 AM). It will make you a beautiful person and support you to look young, even though now itself you look young I assume.

And why is that most of the people in this forum use a fake names ? What stops them from using their real names when it will help us understand the person more better.

And may I ask about your special interst in Vanee Sudhy ?

Lov

raj

spookz
01-12-03, 11:32 AM
my interest in vanee sudhee? just natural curiosity i guess.
fake names (handle, nick) probably has been part of cyberculture since its inception. perhaps its adoption became widespread due to popularity of role-playing games (mud. moo....) where one adopts a persona/avatar. now it
is essential to fight off spammers and other freaks on the net. besides anonymity on the web is probably its most valued aspect. it is like a gate.


anyway like kmguru said we are wildly off topic. i will start a yoga thread and hopefully you can share more esoteric forms of yoga in there

thanks

;)

Avatar
01-12-03, 12:28 PM
I know what it is, to the extend of practicing it. Its nothing but simple method with which you reverse the normal cycle of your breath. To check the originality of what I say. Do this exercise and tell me if you feel something.
breath is only what is representing it - the breathing process - in life, out death - represents the last message or SoHm

Rajagopals
01-13-03, 01:52 AM
Ancient Indian technologies !

Is there something like technology out there ? Recently I saw a posting in www.rence.com saying like fiber optics is an alien technology that we adopted and few other such technologies are also on its way to the ordinary human beings.

If we talk about India and Technology, in my opinion there is nothing like that. If a man has to study a topic for example ayurveda and understand this much information about it through trial and error it will take centuries of man months of efforts. And by that time they might have killed millions of people on testing things. And most of the cases ayurveda treats the cause of the problem than the decease. So how come the inventor(s) of ayurveda found out information about these much of plants and other medicines and used them for the betterment of the humans ? How come such hidden truths about unavailable plants (mritha sanjeevani etc) have been exposed within such a short span? And there exist no document about the findings happened in ayuveda as a result of research done by any one. So where is the source ?

Do you think any one has spent this much of time in research to create ayurveda or sidhaveda or many such Vedas. I assume or my answer (which are even supported by comments from many Yogis) is No. That no one has invented ayurveda rather he invented the source. The source of knowledge. The source of information, this is not about ayurvda but about all what we call as technology.

I interact with a lot of people from various parts of the world about Yoga and meditation. One thing I was able to notice that many who have achieved the basic goals of life (material) starts the search of the real meaning of life. The wise community of such people I found is precisely interested in this source, which I was talking about. They want to know whether through Yoga or meditation is there a way to reach the source ? The source of information, the extreme sense, the almighty, the truth.

I assume this can be done. The only problem is to stay normal after reaching this information. We loose those people who reach this source, as they will never be interested to input anything to the society after that. Those yogis who documented ayurveda for the betterment of normal human beings are such good people that they cared more for the people than themselves. These are the divine gems we (India) had “first” I should say. These are the people who’s contribution to the society is still saving millions of people. Who’s contribution gives peace to millions through their structured method of living. These people claim to be part of old India, which is again an assumption, but lived all over the world. These people created sun temples all over the world suing which they were able to create a galactic map of the universe. They could adjust time. If we call these people Indian and take the credit of there dedication and love saying a “bharatheeyan” that will be tood bad a thing. These people are universal. They belong to the world. May be all the worlds (3 worlds as detailed by them – heaven, earth and hell). So why call that Indian Technology or ancient Indian technology at all ?

And if we are talking about old Indian technologies, then the first name to be remembered should be Varaha Mihiran, as this yogi clubbed many sciences together and detailed that in his book named “Brihath Samhita” which fortunately is still available in India. This book details a hell of a lot of information about very advanced science which can never be understood through scientific research methodologies. The funniest thing about this is that this book has not received the needed attention that it should have in the eyes of our Indian scientist community. It needs a European to identify and study and recommend that to our people to accept that. I wait for such a day at least when some one who (scientist or some one with dreams in his eyes) identifies such precious gems which are still available in India now and show it to the world for the use of betterment of our lives. I would be too happy to be part of any such study or research where in if I can be at least a sign board for finding such things and utilizing them for our better understanding of the truth and the world as such.

Nick I would recommend you “Yoga Vasishtam” which details the essence of life as explained by the Great Yogi Vasita to the Sree Ram and Lakshman.

Lov

raj

UltiTruth
01-16-03, 11:18 AM
A sample of Cow dung has been sent to the Bhaba Atomic Research Institute in India, with a claim that it has properties to block Nuclear Radiation.
Report in The Week says India is safe in case of a nuclear holocaust!
;)

kmguru
01-16-03, 01:59 PM
I thought it was a joke...but I found a shit load (pardon the pun!) of websites about that....

I think change is hard. Crazy activities happened when Americans were building nuclear shelters in early 50s...in their back yard...

spookz
01-19-03, 05:11 PM
Three factors - the devastating earthquake in Gujarat, research on 'earthquake clouds' by a California-based Chinese scholar and the mention of similar 'earthquake clouds' in ancient Indian manuscript called Brihat Samhita-are generating fresh interest in this manuscript.
Dr S.N. Bhavsar, a Vedic scholar associated with the physics department at the University of Pune, has sought to draw the attention of the public to the elaborate references to earthquakes, their causes and predictability by Varahamihira in Brihat Samhita.

The greatness of the sixth century Indian philosopher, mathematician and ronomer, Varahamihira (505-587 A.D.), is acknowledged by many, including the Prof Jayant Narlikar-headed Inter-University Centre for Astronomy and Astrophysics (IUCCA). In fact, IUCCA has has a library block named after him. The Ujjain-born Varahamihira, who was a famed astrologer-astronomer of his age, was one of the navaratnas (nine gems) in the court of king Vikramaditya Chandragupta II. His works, Pancha-siddhantika (The Five Astronomical Canons) and Brihat Samhita (The Great Compilation), are considered seminal texts on ancient Indian astronomy and astrology.

What has astonished some scientists and Vedic scholars here and has renewed interest in Brihat Samhita, are the references to unusual “earthquake clouds” as a precursor to earthquakes.

The 32nd chapter of Brihat Samhita is devoted to 'Signs of Earthquake' and seeks to correlate earthquakes with cosmic and planetary influences, underground water and undersea activities, unusual cloud formations and the abnormal behaviour of animals.

“I find it rather odd that the description of earthquake clouds in Brihat Samhita matches with the observations made by Zhonghao Shaou at the Earthquake Prediction Centre in Pasadena, California,” Dr B.D. Kulkarni, head of the National Chemical Laboratory's chemical engineering division told this newspaper. (Abhay Vaidya )


http://www.hvk.org/articles/0401/135.html

kmguru
01-20-03, 12:42 AM
Too bad, Indians can not read their own frelling books and come up with new stuff before others bring it to our attention.

All they say is that "We knew that - it was written in the books"

Get with the program - folks....:D

BTW: Has anybody ran a neural net simulation for earthquake using atleast 10,000 +variables?

Rick
01-20-03, 08:46 AM
Too bad, Indians can not read their own frelling books and come up with new stuff before others bring it to our attention.

All they say is that "We knew that - it was written in the books"


Km,let me clarify:

all the Books infact most of the books were taken bY Hitlerite Germany during second world war preps.Remember Luft's design?they were like Sundar vimana etc.So there was almost nothing left to translate...!!All the things were translated by Germans,so there was no choice but to read the translating scripts of germany which were later passed on to India for just Information.Did India really tried to get the infornation for development purposes like Hitler did,well No!a BIG BIG NO! India was involved with several other things like arranging basic necessaties for people below poverty line when Britishers left India.But yes the technology which was taken by Hitler was used enormously.When AMericans came to take various weapons etc,they were not able to understand as to how various weapons worked!!...

bye!

Rick
01-20-03, 08:58 AM
Spookz,

Various things have been written about Vaimanika Shastra but these were written by whom?

Americans?
Europeans?
Japanese?
Germans?
Chineese?
Australians?


Bah! do these people know a damm thing about Vaimanika shastra?did they actually read the original one?ARE THEY ACTUALLY GIVING YOU A CORREct translation?

most of the translation was done by germans,these shastras were written primarily in Sanskrit which was Vedic and was very very difficult to understand.They say all the Vimanas work on Anti Gravity the translators,but was it actually Antigravity?just because it said some universal energy source they assumed that it was antigravity...!!which is their assumption...keeping in to current trend they try make it sound spicy.But it it correct?what is the author's credibility.

Real people who know facts will never come forward.
Similiar question was asked by KMguru:
where he said why were they using Bows and Arrows in those days when they had such advanced weapons?You see,in mahabharata it was never mentioned something like Teer Kamaan,only thing that was mentioned was that they used Shafts which were tipped and charged with high amounts of energy.so translators thought it must be bows and arrows since in those days people could only use bow and arrows...


what is reality?You and i dont know,but some of the people do and the problem is that they arent coming forward to tell the truth.


thanks for your time!

bye!

Rajagopals
01-21-03, 04:15 AM
Originally posted by kmguru
Too bad, Indians can not read their own frelling books and come up with new stuff before others bring it to our attention.

All they say is that "We knew that - it was written in the books"

Get with the program - folks....:D

BTW: Has anybody ran a neural net simulation for earthquake using atleast 10,000 +variables?

The following is what you said sometimes back,


Originally posted by kmguru
New things that we will learn in the next 500 years or 5000 years, that knowledge is not available to us at this time. So, we can only speculate. Even those speculations are based on our present understanding of the universe and the present science.

So, for a moment, imagine anything you like - no one should challenge you. Have fun. Enjoy life. Expand your limitations....


:rolleyes: Sounds very opposite

kmguru
01-21-03, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by Rajagopals


:rolleyes: Sounds very opposite

It does? How so?

Rajagopals
01-22-03, 06:31 AM
Originally posted by kmguru
So, for a moment, imagine anything you like - no one should challenge you. Have fun. Enjoy life. Expand your limitations....

Sounds so beautiful ! So great !

But the first part with "Get with the program !" Not so good ! Its rather like Madonna's song, "Your heart is not open" -- Frozen

:) An example only !

I would recommend you to have the first thought pattern, which can elevate you to another level.

And I never intend to attack personally. Forgive me for any mistakes.

Raj

Rick
01-22-03, 02:12 PM
Km and Raj,

giggles...

is there an old conflict?;)...

whats up fellas?


bye!

kmguru
01-22-03, 02:41 PM
Not really...zion...

Raj is a newcomer...

Let the Universe unfold as it should....:D

spookz
01-28-03, 04:32 PM
2. India invented the Number system. Zero was invented by Aryabhatt;
3. The world’s first University was established in Takshila in 700BC. More than 10,500 students from all over the world studied more than 60 subjects. The University of Nalanda built in the 4th century BC was one of the greatest achievements of ancient India in the field of education;
4. According to the Forbes magazine, Sanskrit is the most suitable language for computer software;
5. Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to humans.
6. Although western media portray modern images of India as poverty striken and underdeveloped through political corruption, India was once the richest empire on earth;
7. The art of navigation was born in the river Sindh 5000 years ago. The very word "Navigation" is derived from the Sanskrit word NAVGATIH;
8. The value of pi was first calculated by Budhayana, and he explained the concept of what is now known as the Pythagorean Theorem. British scholars have last year (1999) officially published that Budhayan’s works dates to the 6th Century which is long before the European mathematicians;
9. Algebra, trigonometry and calculus came from India. Quadratic equations were by Sridharacharya in the 11th Century; the largest numbers the Greeks and the Romans used were 106 whereas Indians used numbers as big as 1053;
10. According to the Gemological Institute of America, up until 1896, India was the only source of diamonds to the world;
11. USA based IEEE has proved what has been a century-old suspicion amongst academics that the pioneer of wireless communication was Professor Jagdeesh Bose and not Marconi;
12. The earliest reservoir and dam for irrigation was built in Saurashtr;
13. Chess was invented in India;
14. Sushruta is the father of surgery. 2600 years ago he and health scientists of his time conducted surgeries like cesareans, cataract, fractures and urinary stones. Usage of anaesthesia was well known in ancient India;
15. When many cultures in the world were only nomadic forest dwellers over 5000 years ago, Indians established Harappan culture in Sindhu Valley (Indus Valley Civilisation);
16. The place value system, the decimal system was developed in India in 100 BC;

anu
07-10-04, 09:54 PM
this just in

17. the buttplug was invented in india in 25000 bc

everneo
07-11-04, 04:16 PM
export item, on demand.

kmguru
07-12-04, 07:30 PM
this just in

17. the buttplug was invented in india in 25000 bc

Is that anu's news? ...hehe....:D

kmguru
10-03-05, 01:57 AM
Is there anything new since last year?

DwayneD.L.Rabon
10-03-05, 11:48 AM
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UltiTruth
10-03-05, 01:25 PM
...or possibly has the ability to chnage from female to male to give birth to the other gods ect... it seemed like it would be something that might be found in hindu, or in southern asia religon?

Quite a few... Mohini for example!

kmguru
10-03-05, 05:17 PM
Dwayne, India has Gods and Godesses that have all types of properties. So, I am sure you will find what you are looking for. One thing you need to understand, 99% of the 33 million heavenly entities came to the general population long after the Vedic period.

Why some Goddesses have multiple arms? Were they a failed genetic experiement in the God kingdom? More likely, they were a symbolic representation of the power and capability. Or they could be the fairy tales for the kids that got into the adult world. Imagine Americans worshipping big bird and Kermit after a nuclear or asteroid destruction and adding a 800 years forward.

Gustav
10-03-05, 06:42 PM
manu was a hermaphrodite
he fucked herself and begat 2 guys and 3 chicks

manu was no god tho

DwayneD.L.Rabon
10-04-05, 05:30 AM
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UltiTruth
10-04-05, 12:00 PM
You might find it interesting that the epic Mahabharata has a lady Gandhari who gave birth to 100 children- incubating in a pot, I think.

DwayneD.L.Rabon
10-04-05, 11:28 PM
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Guru
10-05-05, 01:31 PM
Well Not to burst your bubble but the significance of multi hands and heads of Gods and Goddesses in Hindu culture is more metaphoric than actual.
For instance if you see Lord Ganesh ( Elephant head on a human body) he represents wealth and knowledge and the economic harmony. Every hand holds a specific object to denote knowledge, wealth, peace, weapon, food.

After reading your area of study I feel you might be interested in Lord Shiva as the legend goes he turned himself into half woman half man ...which is what you are looking for ...

I think the intelligent humans are much older than just 8000 years, most of these dates are legacy of western colonization of these places to adhere to their religious dates. Pyramids are said to be older than 10000 by most of the experts but officially Pyramids are said to be 5000 years old ..because they were studied by Bible followers and they did not agree to a later date cause according to them the world was a very recent creation.

When you calculate the date of Mahabharat according to the astronomical records you get a much older date than the one agreed to by Western Culture.

DwayneD.L.Rabon
10-07-05, 12:02 AM
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Guru
10-07-05, 09:51 AM
Dwayne

I am not sure how you calculate the date, I do not want to refute something I have not seen work or not work. But I see a basic underlying assumption that the magnetic pole reversal affected the life in an adverse manner.

By the way read Zecharia Sitchin and you will find out that most of the stories in Torah, Bible come from Sumerian text which are known to be over 5000 years old ..which again is a estimate by Christian biased society. I believe it is much older. He has hypothesized that the sumerian civilization was created by inhabitants of planet called Niburu which revolves around the sun every 3600 years give or take few..and actually its effect can be seen on the outer most planet's gravitational pull. The sumerian texts talk about the surface area or Neptune and Pluto before they were even discovered.

By the way Bhagvad Gita is part of Mahabharat.

DwayneD.L.Rabon
10-10-05, 07:12 AM
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Guru
10-11-05, 10:30 AM
Dwayne,

Niburu is another planet in the solar system according to sumerian texts. Infact they even have a story of creation of earth when one of the satellites of Niburu crashed into one of the planets on earch forming the present Earth with caved in solid structure filled with water and our current satellite Moon.

Also did you take into account that in ancient histories they calculated earth revolution as 360 days and not 365 .

What computer do you use for these massive calculations ..also Noah's story was a spin off from Sumerian and Manu's story from Hindu scriptures.

DwayneD.L.Rabon
10-13-05, 04:31 AM
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keshavapuri
02-26-12, 05:30 AM
another ancient technology on agriculture and pollution has been successfully revived and brought alive practically for any crop, any problem anywhere in the world. like the dark face with a white brain, indian scientists and others do not appreciate this achievement by a common person o0f india.
this is india and its people. they will understand only when it comes from the west and through a westrener.

is any one interested to know promote/patronise the same for welfare of the plant earth?

to anyone's surprise any so called toxic pollutant can be converted into high quality residue free food. seems unbelievable. bit this is from vedas.

origin
02-26-12, 10:12 AM
to anyone's surprise any so called toxic pollutant can be converted into high quality residue free food. seems unbelievable. bit this is from vedas.

Yes it does seem unbelievable, in fact I don't believe you.

If by chance you are right though, I have some tolulene that I could ship to you and maybe you could convert into vindaloo for me - I love Vindaloo Shrimp - yum.;)