I was thinking that if I were ruler of the world here are some actions I would take. action#1 abolish all organized religion. action#2 establish a rigid police state. action#3 eliminate all opposition. action#4 begin the colonization of Mars. What would you do?

#1 create a wold senate with much smaller power than I have, just to be sure no-one says I'm dictator or smth like tht.
#2 give a large funding to researchers and scientists to develop advanced technologies. Nanotechnology and space industry would be the first on the list.
#3 till fusion power is made usable in powerplants, I would cover Sahara desert, central parts of Australia and some other hottest spots on Earth with solar batteries to produce energy needed for whole world.
#4 make world defense forces as my private army and to be ready (just in case) for outer Earth invaders:D
#5 destroy all extremist groups--christian and muslin, not to mention all the sects.
#6 slowly reveal all the secrets of previous governments
X-Files and so on, but not my secret files.
#7 make a well paid and elite spying force, to ensure my and worlds security from developing terrorist groups.
#8 wipe out all the archaic traditions in all nations[not able to drink wine, cannot marry smon from another cast]
#9 make world bank truly a world wide economical force, to ensure that world economy is always in good shape.
[sorry for poor language]

I'd abolish global dictatorship and allow people to think for themselves.

I was born into a military dictatorship. It took over the communist goverment that preceded it.....I don't care how noble their intentions were.....sure we were starving and the next day after they took over we had grocery stores stocked with meat, milk and bread.....but it didn't justify them killing thousands of people and making everyone afraid to even whisper anything against the government....I don't agree with communism by any means....but forcing everyone into your beliefs...ridding the world of religion or the freedom to participate in it and basically taking away others' freedom by requiring them to conform to your ideals...which both communism and dictatorships do...well, it's just not my cup of tea.....

Dictators always think that their way is best....that's why they "dictate"---best for themselves or even best for the people---either way it ends up costing way much more than its worth.

In USA, 2.5 million people lose their freedom but eat well, another 2.5 million (guestimate) have their full freedom but eat dogfood to survive (either food or medicine).

Rest are happy the way the government is but unhappy about their own life (Prozac, drugs, alcohol, divorce, racism, cult, pride, gluttony, lust, las vegas...)

What would I do:

-I would allow freedom of speech and all of the rights guartanteed in the bill of rights
-(this sounds crazy but criticism is welcome) I would abolish money and any form of wealth or value so that anyone could own anything as long as the particular commodity is being produced. The acquring of the commodity would be based on a first come first serve basis. If everyone did this then I believe it would work and the whole idea of social classes would be mute.
-I would construct an elevator into space that would throw all of our trash into the atmosphere where it would burn up into nothing
-I would construct a solar-wind power plant in space, it being like some sort-of windmill that would produce electricity that would be carried back to earth by convoys of 'battery ships' and be distributed onto each continent
-I would reward the first company that created a car with equal power to our own that was run on solar power with the prize of their choice (except leadership)
-Any form of violence (unless it was accidental, forced, or caused by mental retardation) would be punished severly but determined by a selected panel of judges. First time offenders would be subject to a year of complete isolation from anyone, second time offenders would be subject to five years, and third time offenders would live the rest of their lives with no human contact. The gathering of evidence would act in accordance to the Bill of Rights
-I would immediately destroy every nuclear and coal power plant on Earth and ask scientists to see if they can repare the damage caused by global warming
-see if psychics are real
-unveil the true secret of everything that every government knows about
-provide free ultra-speed internet and state-of-the-art computers to every citizen on Earth effective immediately, so they don't have to wait for companies to give them one
-Over the course of ten years establish large colonies on the Moon, Mars, Europa, Ganymede, and Triton. These would gather resources for further human expiditions into the outer solar system.
-listen and consider any issue with the government deemed worthy for me to hear by a panel of selected judges replaced every ten years regardless of the quality of service to me
-terraform australia into several different ecological habitats then clone as many extinct species as possible
-collect the necessary information to clone myself when I die and if possible clone my personality (like a ghola)

that's all I can think of for now! Sounds good doesn't it?

Dont be such a communist Omega,
how would you like to be under the rule of a tyrant/

Anyway, I would resign as ruler of the world and have only a cabinet of equally powerfull people who represent all people, even the ones I dont like. Ofcoarse I would represent my jurisdiction.

I don't think anyone should be governed by one person. The entire reason why we put forwards people into power is purely because as a whole, a single populous of people, we need a unaminous voice to speak for the whole of us.

Although people across the world find that they blame their governments and officials, they should understand that some actually try to do the job that they have been voted in to do.

Of course my understanding is this can be very corrupt, with some just pulling the wool over the populouses eyes long enough to amount a large hidden wealth, which they then retreat with into retirement. (Most notibly a wage and bonuses that equal far beyond their needs)

I came to a conclusion that when it's time to vote, we shouldn't be voting for a man, or a party because at the end of the day what the populous is looking for is what the parties stand for.

So we should be voting for what we want done in countries, what changes we want made, and then perhaps vote for a person to carry out what we vote for.

Of course my ideal method would seem far fetched and would need an independant adjudicator to make sure there is no vote rigging. Quite simply, once a month your asked to vote on principles (And to keep peoples interest, you throw in some prize a person can win each month)

Of course this means that you would have a populous of people making their way to somewhere to vote, of course that could be structured to e-mails, text-messaging, going into your local lottery outlet to vote on your principles that you think should be considered etc.

Of course this should lead everyone to think of this further and perhaps see the bonuses and drawbacks of such a scheme. (Although it would keep a constant clue to populous, and possibly help bring Censuses up to date etc)

A single ruler doesn't necessarily have to be a tyrant.

There is the possibility of him/her being a philosopher king/queen who rules wisely. After all, Hawaii did have Queen Liliuokalani.

First of all I would see to that all weapons were destroyed and the factorys that makes them. Then I would let people run free and use their own minds. No countries, no boundaries, no fear. Food would be plenty for everyone. But no meat! Killing is banned from now on! Recycling is the way to go, eat fruit and poo in the nature. :D
Spirituality would be greatly encouraged.

ya bebelina!

And we would all frolick as skittles fall from the sky, and then we could eat our own poop too, while we enjoy our pee lemonade.

And as we all dance in a circle with joined hands, a rainbow would form above us and everyone would become gay and then our species would be wiped out of existence.

Lets not forget without those weapons and control, the criminals would be free to frolick with the rest of us, killing and steeling from any bozo in their way.

The criminals would have no fear of getting arrested because there are no guns or police.

And a feudal system would form as we get thrown back into the dark ages, because little by little, all the water would flow to one progressively smaller side of the tub as the entire ship sinks and the world suddenly becomes flat again.

Bebelina Just out of curiosity, how many of those wild mushrooms have you been eating lately, or toads you have been licking?:D

You're so right, and unforntunately if there is one person in the world who doesnt agree with you then everything gets flushed.

absolutely correct elbaz. My way worked better.

How immature of you, dear goblin.....
What you just wrote was only your own twisted by your limited perspective, vision. It showes that this little goblin needs to have his noggin´examined!
We can´t have dysfunctional goblins like yourself running aroud here, anyone can see that.

And mushrooms are nice and friendly, unlike you, evil goblin. :mad:


:D

Are you talking to yourself, again Bebelina.

Its those mushrooms isnt it? tisk, tisk, tisk........

Because I am one with everything. :cool:

There would be so many things to do.

Common perception is that governments and their members are corrupt or operate on "spin". Let's ask ourselves one thing... do we trust our own governments? Has this loss of faith in the people we vote into office caused us to give up! The last general election in the UK had the lowest number of voters in history.

When you last voted... did you vote for the charisma of the leader of for his/her party policies. Some would say the latter, but unfortunately most would say otherwise.

As world leader I would form a peoples' forum. Where the common man (or woman) can influence the way things are run, everyone can have a say. People wouldn't have to wait for the next election. Terrorists would therefore have a voice before their guns would be used.

The Greeks, initially, did not vote for officials in their government. The people who made the decisions in the democratic state were the citizens themselves.

Oh yeah, and no-one would go hungry!

OK... none of this would work in reality, but it's certainly got me thinking. Hey, I could be friends with Hugh Hefner then, couldn't I? GREAT!

1) Abolish all firearms from the civilian populus, except for hunting rifles. There would be background checks galore.

2) Reform the drug war, rehabilitation and detox as well as other programs. Sry, no legalization.

3) Maintain a completely secular government.

4) Estabolish a strong military to destroy innsurections and terrorists.

5) Abolish world hunger in the western hemisphere, working around the world.

6) Aggressively contain the AIDS epidemic in Africa.

7) Establish programs to edcate, and give economic opportunities for the poor around the globe.

8) Decentralize the new government, to some extent. That way if there was an attack on the capital, probably Washington D.C. still, the government wouldn't be completely beheaded.

9) Reduce the nuclear stockpile to less than a hundred nuclear warheads.

10) Spur space exploration, including colonization of Mars and other habitable places.

*Originally posted by Chagur
A single ruler doesn't necessarily have to be a tyrant.

There is the possibility of him/her being a philosopher king/queen who rules wisely. After all, Hawaii did have Queen Liliuokalani. *

That's a pretty good illustration of clutching at straws.
Ole Lil is the best (only?) example you could come up with?
The odds favor tyrants.
For every Lil, there is Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mussolini and that's just a handful, and just out of the last century, and just out of Europe.

*Originally posted by Bebelina
But no meat! Killing is banned from now on! Recycling is the way to go, eat fruit and poo in the nature. *

Who wants to eat fruit and poo?

Besides, I'd rather eat beef from a cow that has been killed, than eat an apple while it is still alive.
Don't the little screams from all that living fruit bother you when you are killing them with your teeth?

*We can´t have dysfunctional goblins like yourself running aroud here, anyone can see that. *

So, everyone would be running around eating poo, and killing dysfunctional goblins.
What a world!

*I am always talking to myself.

Because I am one with everything.*

Why do you need a computer, then?

*Originally posted by Biggles
Terrorists would therefore have a voice before their guns would be used. *

They have a voice now, before they use their guns.
When they threaten war and mayhem, that's them using their voice.

*Originally posted by thecurly1
1)
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10)*

1) Surprise, surprise! Every weapon will be declared a "hunting rifle."
2) What exactly would you do?
3) You mean like Russian communism?
4) i.e. build a police state
5) eat magic mushrooms
6) but leave the one in the US?
7) eat more magic mushrooms
8) the capital actually IS Washington DC, it's not open to conjecture
9) Only blow up the world 99 times instead of 10000 times
10) Mars is habitable? I'd hate to see your apartment.

Quite the plan you have there.

this is when the politeness of tony1 shines brightest. I'm blinded by his righteousness and the utter nova of acceptance and appreciation, especially when viewing his other posts under free thoughts.

If you can't tell there's no lost love between us.

That's a pretty good illustration of clutching at straws.
Ole Lil is the best (only?) example you could come up with?
Possibly not the best, and certainly not the only, but one that satisfies my sense of irony ... particularly at this time.

...there has been a major misundestanding here, maybe deliberate but anyway, I will try to explain what I meant again, just to be sure wether you are just mocking me or really didn´t get it. ;)

I never said that we should EAT POO! :rolleyes:

I mean that when we eat fruit and vegetables we bring back seeds to the nature when pooing, as in recycling, and new fruits and vegetables will grow up. That doesn´t happen if you eat cows. The cow is then dead, and no cow will grow up in its place. A cow has just as us and the other animals on earth a consciousness and feelings, they feel pain , fear, joy and love. Plants doesn´t have that kind of consciousness, they don´t have a brain that can produce pain signals for example. Their consciousness is more floating and not as distinct as humans and animals. And as humans we have choices to be made everytime we do something. We must eat to survive, so what is the most compassionate way of eating? For me that is to eat plants instead of animals.

And of course, I never said that dysfunctional goblins should be killed, how horrid! Just examined! :D

The computer is needed to reach other unexplored areas of the larger consciousness of humanity that we are and I belong to, me. :p

lol lol lol

-I would allow freedom of speech and all of the rights guartanteed in the bill of rights
-(this sounds crazy but criticism is welcome) I would abolish money and any form of wealth or value so that anyone could own anything as long as the particular commodity is being produced. The acquring of the commodity would be based on a first come first serve basis. If everyone did this then I believe it would work and the whole idea of social classes would be mute.

Food for thought...

What if a very talented, smart, law-abiding citizen of this “new world” invented something marvelous, something that made life vastly better for all? Yet, because of a “first come, first serve” policy, or because of corrupt individuals (or government depts.), someone as talented and “deserving” as Mr. Inventor is not able to get the basic essentials--like food, medicine, whatever... He winds up starving or ailing because he was not first in line. (Perhaps he was held up in traffic) His accomplishments, therefore, have meant nothing. And regardless of the fact that his magnificent invention aids his brothers and sisters...

If we value nothing, then what are we?? What do we have?

Nothing.

I think our ability to “value” things, and to value each other, is part of what sets us apart from what we call “animals.”

Do I have the right to anything I haven’t earned--but which others have earned? Do I have the right to be kept by my brothers and sisters who are willing to work and create, when I am not?

And no... I can’t agree that we should be ruled by a dictator.

I think we need to do a better job of governing ourselves.

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Counterbalance

good points. Like I said criticism is welcome. Do you have any other way, if nothing was valued, for everyone to get what they need? The only REAL value is work, if you work and produce things then you can get things from other people. Any job whatsoever as long as you know what you're doing and you're productive. Entertainment, politics, street sweeping, everyone in that category could own a big screen tv and a seven floor manshon. All I could think of was the first come first serve basis. If the scientist proved that he had a really good idea then naturally he would be one of the priorities for anything he needed related to the idea itself.

The only rules I follow are the ones I agree with.

For example I been hearing things like guns should be banned. Do you know that what they do in communist china, and if you see one you get excecuted.

If I WANTED a gun then I would get one, but I dont.

If I want to jaywalk then I will.

The only rule I have is to follow the ones I believe in.
"the only way for evil to succeed is for good people to do nothing"some German guy

Once again someone has to completely warp my words. Not everything would be repressive.

It happens, thecurly1. We can't control how other people interpret our words. The best we can do is to be choosy about the words we use to express a given thought. If we feel strongly about being understood, we can then repeat ourselves until we no longer see any purpose in doing so.

If you (or anyone) could control the world--solely--then you might theoretically be able to keep things from becoming too repressive. Realistically, however, this kind of control could never happen. It takes too many people to "run" a world, and everyone's gonna see things differently from their leader(s) at one time or another. It's human nature; it's free will.

Dictatorships of all kinds have failed because of this. Even if a dictator thrived, the majority of the people under him/her did not prosper. People will not be ruled in this manner. History has proven this.

Police state? What happens when the "leader" can no longer control the police? We have evidence of what happens.

It's interesting (even fun) to speculate on how "WE" would fix the world. Maybe some of us could come up with some super ideas. As for me, I'll keep my expectations realistic and continue to encourage the free flow of ideas.

Ideas start when you are inside a mother's womb. Any ideas should create a low stress environment for the new born. Then the matter of nurture, education and so on. If a society is designed such that, by the time a human becomes a teenager, he/she is opressed, uneducated, unsecular and have no understanding of the wolrd around them, then that society is headed for trouble.

And like rotten fruit, that society is going to cause problem in the rest of the world....

Just a very few people can cause serious damage (Tens of billions of dollars). I suggest the insurance industry should start proactively and do something about it....

Ideas start when you are inside a mother's womb.

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Interesting, kmguru. Have you or others posted about this elsewhere at sciforums? I'd rather not clutter this thread with an unrelated discussion, but am curious to hear more.

thx,

Counterbalance

Well I thought about it for a long time and I couldn't figure out what I would do if I were a global dictator, but I have come to two different thoughts about it.

- I would keep track of what people expected of me and what people thought I was doing right and wrong. I would then try to conform to as many requests as possible, either myself or by delegating decision making to local abilities. If I found the task of keeping up with the requests and wishes of the people impossible, I would probably give up and hand the power back to the governments.

- I would try to implement a knowledge and idea based society, in which people with good ideas about our development and future would get the possibility to expand their ideas, to get funds to develop more inventions and do more science. This does not mean that well educated people should become "über people" with more money than the common man, but rather that all ideas should have the necessary funds to be developed or tested. Off cause there should be some gain for those people who developed great ideas, that could mean money.

Critisism would be important indeed I think. If I would be ruler, I would try to make a kind of socialist society:

There would still (ofcourse) be money and intependent companies, but the social security would be very important. All hospitals and schools would be public and also atleast part of trasportation (the society would also support mass-transit, escpecially in large cities).

The common problem of many socialist governments was that they made many services public, and then they didn´t notice the flaws in the society because the lack of critisism.
In my society critisism would be put in wery high value, because the government cannot see everything, somethings can be in terrible state, and yet the government has no time to see this flaw. That´s why there should be a intependent ministry which would take critisism from people and also look flaws from soceity.
After that, they would analyse the data, make a report (for example there could be quater year report, and then one big report in the end of every year). But this wouldn´t be enough, they should also recommend that how the flaws should be fixed. And if the government wouldn´t take the necessary action, they could demand action from the government or the leader (ME :( ).

Preserving nature would also be important, and at the first, the production of certain luxury products (which would require rare materials) would be stopped and the production should be tried to adapt to the needs of the people.

Also the ruler should not have any power to punish people, that only creates an athmosphere of fear and so people would be afraid to critisize the society.

The public companies should also be observed wery closely to see how they develope. Sometimes the public companies don´t develope enough because they don´t feel the need for it, and so they decline and become wery inefficent.

The religion and the government should be seperated, I think, but the practice of religion and organized religions should be possible. But the government should not take any opinion on the religions and the society should be lead with humans laws.

Education and sciene should be put on high value and the ruler should be required a certain type of character: Open mind towards all religions and cultures, high education, determination, will to serve the people, empathy, sense of moderation, willingness to take critisism, imagination and creativity and willingness to learn and not to be too concervative and many many other abilities. Also one which would be important, would be to be able to see flaws in self.

Quite opposite to the nationalistic ideology (which wants to preserve national identity and culture), I would try to mix the cultures. So that in one city there could be many religions, races, ideologies etc. and people would be encouraged to talk, even argue (as long as it wouldn´t get physical), so that peoples opinions etc. would evolve, as they could discuss with peoples from with wery different point of view.
One thing that I would try to make common, would be humanism, and the thought that no matter the religion or race or ideology, we are all still humans.

The government and the ruler (ME again :( ) should also be closely observed to keep the corruption away. If the ruler would be corrupted, the government should have the authority to elect new ruler if so would be decided and if there would be clear evidence that the government is corrupted, the ruler should be able to disband the government and elect a new one.

Well, there would be a lot more but that´s what came to my mind.

Also one thing that I would try to do, is to make sciene, knowledge and educated people more respected. The scienetists, teachers etc. should get more pay than movie stars or top athletes.

And I think that the highest ruler should be elected by the government (since they would know better than who has the ability to be a leader) and when the ruler would have served his time as the head of the state (and new leader would be elected) the ruler would go back to the government.

A few ideas:

1. Limit the growth of the cities. Too many people concentrated in one small place causes all sorts of problems. Too much misery and very little interaction between groups.

2. Telecommute. You can stay in a rural area, yet contribute to the economy.

3. Healthcare free to all or atleast with a nominal payment for doctor visit.

4. Education: free. Better facilities for web based education so that no matter where you are and what job you are on, you can study and grow. That is a fundamental human right. Let the souls mature...

5. Children get special incentives, tax breaks and what ever if they take care of their elder parents. No more checking into a nursing home to die in misery after your contribution to the society.

6. Create a less demanding environment for expectant mothers upto 6 years of children to encourage nurture.

7. Encourage free flow of ideas and exchange of different cultures.

and so on....

Several have mentioned that "free" services of one nature or another should be provided for all.

However....

Who is to pay for the labor, materials, and time that will go into providing free education, healthcare--or commodities of any kind?

Taxpayers? If so, which taxpayers? Those who use the services--or all taxpayers? Percentage-wise, how much should each pay for maintaining others' well-being and improving the general state of mankind?

And (thinking ahead here) if someone suggests that the wealthiest citizens should pay for the poorest, why should this be so? Have the poor earned this priviledge? If they have, how have they earned it? By virtue of being poor? What prevents them from changing their circumstances? Are all poor people incapable of bettering themselves? Are all poor people inescapably oppressed?

Bottom line: Why should those who have earned more money than some others be forced to pay for them? How do any of us feel about turning over a substantial amount of our annual pay to another entity (government) to use as the "people" see fit? Do the "people" know best how to spend your/my money?

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There's already a lot of money, time and effort being put into these areas of society (education and healthcare). But is it being spent wisely? Perhaps changes are needed, but how much change in what areas? Perhaps the system of Capitalism isn't so broken, but the way in which people utilize the system could stand some fine-tuning?

Socialism, and all political systems that resemble it, may seem attractive but do they work as well as they are supposed to?

Again, I think history could shed some light on this.

~~~

Oh, btw... like the idea of better city-planning and telecommuting, kmguru. Lots of possibilities for positive change there. --As well as a need for looking into the needs of pregnant mothers who are most often the ones responsible for critical nurturing.



Counterbalance

I will reply later with some more details. Here is a preview of that. In order to make this social reengineering, the whole process has to be overhauled. Just changing urban planning and adding telecommuting will save billions of dollars (gas, transporation, high rise buildings, insurance, smog, parking, roads, bridges, tunnels, a/c, light, flags, cafeteria....).

We raised $1.2 billion dollars to help the victims of 911. One of the victim with 2 kids got $274. Family of foreigners who died got zilch. So present way of doing business is highly inefficient. I am not an advocate for redistribution of wealth. Let it be the result of a better engineered society.

shrike said earlier in this post and i quote...

I would immediately destroy every nuclear and coal power plant on Earth and ask scientists to see if they can repare the damage caused by global warming

When you destroy these power plants what are Mr & Mrs America going to do when they hit the light switch and nothing happens?
I think you would be ousted from power before such a plan could take affect :p.

Personally if i was voted first World Leader I would abolish 3rd world debt, move the mountains of food stores into countries which are starving, turn the worlds armys into 1 fighting force to combat curruption and exploitation throughout the world.
Keep the nuclear power plants open perhaps even build more, stop all use of fossil fuels within a certain time period, I would make the planet cleaner more efficient place to live.
Most of government money would be spent on schools hospitals and scientific research, I would give regional government a lot of power, they would control there tax rates local laws etc.
Reigonal government is then directly answerable to national government who are elected members of that nations government, 2 of these would them be directly answerable to me and my staff, head of world government after I die they would elect a formal member of the world council to become 2nd world leader and so on.
I would not control laws that are reigon specific, I would not enforce or segregate any religion class creed or color.
I would guarantee a certain standard of living withing a set time period and I would deliver.
I would do my upmost to make the world a better place, but i would be fighting a battle against people who are extremely narrow minded, I think its fairly certain world government is not possible in my lifetime :(.

As Supreme Planetary Dictator I do hereby decree:

To preserve the genetic inheritance of the species: No child under the age of twelve months may receive medical attention other than basic first aid for any reason other than accidental trauma!
Further, To preserve the limited resources of this planet, all citizens above the age of fifty years must annually qualify as being physically fit and a contributing member of society for life extension. For those who do not qualify, medical assistance shall be provided at no cost to the individual or their family! :eek:

Yeah, right.

(whatEVER!)

Hell, even Supreme Planetary Dictators get tired of hearing all the bitching about the cost, or lack, of medical insurance! :D

I would love to not eat meat but unfortunaly im a man not a Cow, im a meat eater, cows, piggs, sheep, i dont care il eat it.
Thats in my nature its like that for a reason god doesnt play dice, perhaps you dont eat meat for a reason, your not programed to :)

And although i dont have anything against all that freedom to say

A cow has just as us and the other animals on earth a consciousness
Consciousness is indicated by inteligence, cows piggs and sheep are not inteligent, the closest thing to inteligence in the animal kingdon is ape's (our genetic cousins?) and dolphins.
I would/could never eat dolphin or monkey, as i consider them to have primal inteligence.
As for sheep cows and piggs they are not so lucky as to be blessed with inteligence.

Hmmm... about preserving the nature... we could just recycle humans when they die :cool:

Or what about a kind soceity which was in Starship Troopers or we should all just read Plato´s state

Aldous Huxley´s Brave New World! then we would have babies in production line. One of the most depressive societies was, I think, in George Orwell´s 1984.

Sheng-Ji Yang´s utopia state (from Sid Meier´s Alpha Centauri):

What do I care for your suffering? Pain even agony is no more than information before the senses, data fed into the computer of the mind. The lesson is simple: you have receaved the information, now act on it, take control of the input... and you will become the master, of the output.

Sheng-Ji Yang
"Essays on Mind and Matter"

(Also see Yang´s other thought in the end of the message)

or society of Cybernetic Consciousness:

Those who join us need give up only half of theyr humanity - the illogical, ill-tempered and disordered half, commonly thought of as ´right-brain´function. In exchange, the ´left-brain' capacities are increased to undreamed potential. The tendency of biologicals to cling instead to theyr individual personalities can only be attributed archaic evolutionary tendencies.

-- Prime Function Aki-Zeta 5
"Convergence"

Or Spartan´s utopia society:

We shall take only the greatest minds, the finest soldiers, the most faithful servants. We shall multiply them a thousandfold and release them to usher in a new era of glory.

--Coratzon Santiago
"The Council of War"

Originally posted by kmguru
In USA, 2.5 million people lose their freedom but eat well, another 2.5 million (guestimate) have their full freedom but eat dogfood to survive (either food or medicine).

Rest are happy the way the government is but unhappy about their own life (Prozac, drugs, alcohol, divorce, racism, cult, pride, gluttony, lust, las vegas...)

Why do you include "Las vegas, pride?" these are not evil, they are merely reflections of what you make of it.

I lived in Las Vegas for two years, wonderful place to live, it's not all casinos and the strip, there's in there a well hidden community and a good town away from all the toruists attraction.

And that's another matter, it's not all bad either, in Las Vegas one has a chance to see rome, "Caesars Palace", be in Venice, "The Venitian", Travel to Egypt, "The Luxor" in effect it's fantacy island in the dessert.

Pride, with out pride what are you?
to have pride in oneself is not an ominious thing, in fact it's ominious to claim that you have no pride, to whom are you working for?, if not for yourself, to whom do you owe your life to?, if not from the pleasure of living. Pride goes hand in hand with selfsteem, and selfishness, are these also considered to be omnious in your opinion?

I believe Bible talks about sins...The first sin is...? why?

What is sin anyway? Why it is bad? OR is it?

Just some thoughts...

Originally posted by kmguru
I believe Bible talks about sins...The first sin is...? why?

What is sin anyway? Why it is bad? OR is it?

Just some thoughts...

I'm no bible quoter such as Tony1, however the moral code of the bible did not originate with the bible, these codes of conduct existed before the bible was ever written, however not all the sin's of the bible are evil, it's evil to try and control men by his emotional surrender to the whims of it's religious leaders.

It is the invention of "quilt", which enable religious leaders to create some of the more questionable "sins" of the bible, such as pride, objective selfishness, knowledge, etc.