The Ak-47 Russias Gift to the World

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Buffalo Roam, Apr 23, 2007.

  1. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    kind of funny since it was brought into service after the war.
     
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  3. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    mikenostic

    It was the fore runner to the SAW.

    No, why? and when I did my qual's the distance was 750 yards and it was done with a M-14.

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    From the history that I have read it was because of the fighting spirit of the Marines, and their attitude of never quiting?

    And why not prefer the M-16, it was the weapon that you were trained with, and the most comfortable to your training, just natural, me I prefer the M-15, as that was my basic weapon, and it served me well, but as times changed in the military weapons changed, and as I became more aware of thing military I realized that in combat knowing the ins and outs of the enemies weapons was a very good thing to know, it is possible to have to use enemy weapons due to being cut off, out of ammunition for your primary weapon, or just don't have the time to reload in a hand to hand fire fight, any of a dozen reasons to know the enemies weapons.

    The SOCOM M-1 is still a battle rifle, it is chambered for a full sized round, one of the defining features of the assault rifle is that it is chambered for a intermediate size round, and the SOCOM is chambered for a 7.62X51mm round which generates far more recoil than the 7.62X39mm round, the SOCOM is a milled receiver and the AK is stamped, so there is no way to really compare the 2 as they are designed for different tactical application.
     
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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Your memory has a citation?

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  7. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    that's 30 million.
     
  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Russia supplies lots of weapons, and the AK47 has been the most important weapon in the world for many years now.

    But the AK47s - or copied designs - are made by the tens of millions in dozens of countries all over the world, not just Russia, and the arms dealers that supply the various guerrillas are usually not Russian, and the money that pays for these weapons does not usually come from Russia, and so forth.

    As a piece of technology, it is no longer Russian and hasn't been for many years.

    Blaming the Russians for the militarization of every gang in Africa is overlooking some major factors. And the role of the US in arming the world's paramilitary thugs is normally underestimated, not overestimated, by Americans.

    Russia has had at least the excuse of being under actual, imminent, serious threat.
     
  9. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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  10. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    The fact is that the numbers are not really known as the WARSW pact and the Russians didn't keep track of the production numbers, and if you figure the rest of the weapons class that the WARSW pact and the Russians sold in their cash and carry markets, the numbers are probably 30 to 50 million higher, remember the AK is only one of the infantry weapons that the WARSW pact and the Russians produced.
     
  11. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    iceaura

    From what pray tell?
     
  12. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    mikenostic do you remember your first weapons searil number, and battle sit? mine was 021066, up 12 left 2.
     
  13. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    The AK-47 can be an accurate rifle, it just depends on which country's you have as different countries have differing builds even though they're all still considered an AK-47 class weapon. The people who say they suck probably had a crap version. If you want a good one, get a Bulgarian AK-47 for the best accuracy.

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  14. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Neildo, dam it sounds like you might know something about weapons.
     
  15. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Nothing beat the FN-FAL in those days....nothing. Oh well, cheap and dirty for the masses.
     
  16. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    nietzschefan, execpt the M-14.
     
  17. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    From the US and its proxies. Who else?
     
  18. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    iceaura, and explain how this is so in your MHO?
     
  19. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Were was the threat to the Soviet Union in the Middle East? Africa? South America? Asia? Central America? How about Afghanistan?
    Were did we have contact with the Russian Border to threaten them? We were not to support those who supported us? tell me of any of the rebels that were supported by the communist in the 60tys and 70tys, when they came to power were not more murderous than the regimes that they replaced?
     
  20. mikenostic Stop pretending you're smart! Registered Senior Member

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    What's a saw? Haha. J/K. I like the SAW on paper. It's a neat little weapon but from my experiences with them, they jammed QUITE often.


    Were you Army or Marines? I know the Army doesn't qualify beyond 300 yards (at least regular Army in boot camp) anymore, as my mother (retired Army) and my supervisor (combat engineer) will attest.

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    Yeah, you're right but I also said that because I read somewhere (and wish I could find it again) of a recollection of some of the German soldiers that were fighting the Marines during that battle and they were talking about how their colleagues were getting picked off. They could see the Marines off in the distance but could not figure out how they were getting hit from so far off.

    So true. My cousin has an AK and he field stripped it for me. It was just as easy as field stripping the M16. But even if I knew the AK as well as the 16, I'd still choose the 16. Although I'd choose the M14 over the 16. Accuracy is quite important to me.
    I wouldn't even go so far as to say that the AK is more reliable than the 16, it just requires less maintenance. You hear about all the 'Nam vets complaining about the 16 jamming all the time. Those were mostly due to the chamber corroding and from bad magazines. That problem was fixed in the later A1 and A2 models by nickel plating the chamber.


    MY BAD!! D'OH! I had my ammo size conversions way off. For some reason I thought the 7.62x39 was equivalent to the .308 and the 7.62x51 was the 30-06.
    Battle or assault rifle, I'd still take a socom M14.
     
  21. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Same problems we had, so they didn't correct it.

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    Army 1969, you were still required to know how to shoot then.

    1903 Springfirld, proper marksmanship properly taught.

    Was in country, 70-72
    Actually it was more of a ammunition problem, to save money the military used a WW748 bulk powder, that had a calicum content ment to help the M-60 run properly, all it did was build up in the reciever and if you didn't clean your weapon right after a fight and let it sit over night, it hardened to concreat, and the trooper paid the price, as a Marine you should understand that.

    Hell yea, I prefer the SOCOM, ny 14 is set up the
    same way, but as I said I would not feel under armed with a AK-47, and that 123 grain bullet hits dam hard, for stopping power it is better than the M-109 round.
     
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  22. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    My bad. I was thinking of the PPSh-41....

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PPSh-41

    Adoption by German soldiers

    The captured PPSh was in particular a favorite weapon of the Germans. Due to the similar dimensions of the Soviet 7.62 x 25 mm and German 9 mm Parabellum cartridges, the PPSh-41 was easily modified, with a 9 mm barrel and a magazine-well adapter to fire from a standard 32-round MP38/40 magazine. The Wehrmacht officially adopted the converted PPSh-41 as the MP41(r), unconverted PPSh-41s were designated MP717
     
  23. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    no problem we all screw the pooch some time, the PPsH 41 is a hell of a good sub gun, and that 71 rd mag is great in a fire fight, the round in itself is not that great, but the PPsH 41 is a honey to shoot, use it like a water hose, and saturate your target. We used them to shoot rats in the garbage dump behind our bearm.
     

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