Who was Jesus talking to when he said...

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  1. Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

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    M*W: To whom was Jesus talking when he allegedly cried out from the cross in Greek, no less, and said, "Eli, eli, lama sabachtheni?" (My god, my god, why have you forsaken me?)

    Let me explain... "El" is a shortened form of "Elias," the sun god "Helios," to whom Jesus called out from the cross. "El" is the sun. The "Elohim" also represents the many stars. Also known as the "Ali," who were associated with gods. "Ali" is Egyptian in origin and represents the "Atum," "Aten," and the "Amen," who are all part of "Elohim." "Atum" was later known as "Adam."

    Jesus, as the sun of god, was crying out to his heavenly father/creator god, the sun, "Eli" and/or "Helios" who had abandoned him on the cross that day. Then the skies grew dark and stormy as the sun set behind the earth and died.
     
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  3. Mosheh Thezion Registered Senior Member

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    some... SAY THAT IS A MIS-INTERPRETATION...

    who knows...

    what does it matter?

    torture... is well known to get people to say anything... ANYTHING.!!

    SOME SAY, he actually said.. "Lord, this is what i came for..."

    i.e... to die...


    even still... one must realise that it wasnt fun.

    he was on the cross... in horrific pain.

    -MT
     
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  5. Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

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    M*W: The "cross" refers to the four points that cross the sun at the vernal equinox. No one was tortured.
     
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  7. Mosheh Thezion Registered Senior Member

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    WELL... it may be nice to think so... but the habit... and well established history of nailing people to crosses.... was Roman....

    the romans.... put 1000's up on the crosses...

    which i should point out... has got to be better that being Impaled up the ass.....

    your in-ability to accept that these very real tortures did happen... and in many forms... continues today.... is very sad.


    im afraid your modern secular humanism leaves you blind to the very real evil men are capable of......

    an inherent evil.... which is best modified by the religions you oppose.

    -MT
     
  8. Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

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    M*W: I don't doubt the Roman's employed such torture, although I've never seen any factual documentation that would indicate they did. If you can provide such proof that the Romans actually did employ this kind of torture, I'd like to see it.

    However, the life and times of Jesus is just an allegory of the movements of the constellations and the sun. The bible, especially the NT, is an astrological time table where Jesus is the sun of man as well as the son of god. It don't get no more real than this.
     
  9. Kendall ......................... ..... Registered Senior Member

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    I would say he was thinking what in gods name are these people thinking!
     
  10. Zephyr Humans are ONE Registered Senior Member

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  11. The Devil Inside Banned Banned

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    conjecture.
    have solid, peer reviewed proof....or is this opinion?




    completely incorrect.
    the elohim are the five forces of creation employed by the ein sof, in hebrew religion (which jesus was a follower of). nothing you have said has any connection to the connection of "elohim".

    im not sure exactly what you are getting at, but i would like to see some peer reviewed literature on the subject, or maybe even a woo woo website that makes these farfetched connections.
     
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  13. ashpwner Registered Senior Member

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    father why have you forsaken me wich he actuly said dad what the fuck!
     
  14. Kendall ......................... ..... Registered Senior Member

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    It seems like he would have been talking to God the Father of the old testament, questioning why he had to die for the sins of others.
     
  15. The Devil Inside Banned Banned

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    thanks, medicine woman. i am perusing the books right now (luckily, the local library has all of them, albeit in french

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    ill get back to you in a few days on what i think.
     
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    The last words from Jesus , were a quote from psalm 22:
    in hebrew : " eli, eli , lama azaftani "
    or in aramaic (which was the main language in Palestine in first century AD):
    " eloi, eloi , metoel mah sabachthani "
    The bible simply got it mixed up ...............

    Psalm 22 starts with an exclamation of despair but ends with the trust in god .......

    Jesus was simply quoting psalm 22 to comfort himself .............
     
  17. mikenostic Stop pretending you're smart! Registered Senior Member

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    I've been asking myself that same question, especially when God can forgive everyone for their sins himself. It's pretty sad if Jesus himself had to ask dad why Jr. is doing the job Sr. should be doing.
    Why would you send your son to do a job you could do yourself better?
     
  18. Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

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    M*W: That may be so, but whatever the origin of the words "eli, eli, lama, sabachtheni," it is referring to speaking to the god in the heavens, or the sun. In fact, "eli" does not mean "my father," it means the "sun" who was called "god." In other words, Jesus could have easily said in English, "My SUN, why are you setting now?
     
  19. Gently Passing Registered Senior Member

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    There are four different gospels and four different "last words" so who knows what he actually said?

    What about "forgive them, for they know not what they do?"

    forgive actually derives from the hebrew foremhei, which is to eat carrots on the third saturday.

    Whatever.
     
  20. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    I think the thing to which Jesus referred, if he referred, is irrelevant.
    Not the image, but the message is what matters.
     
  21. The Devil Inside Banned Banned

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    this whole concept stretches things farther than occams razor permits....you know this, right?
     
  22. Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

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    M*W: After having studied both sides of christianity for some 35+ years as well as the heart of it, the final conclusion I have come to is that it was all based on ancient astrology. When I endeavor to search in another direction from this point, I reach a dead-end that continues to confirm that ancient astrology leads to the basis of all theology. Now that I've come to this point in my research, I am confident I can never go in another direction and be right about it. I don't think Occam's Razor has anything to do with it.
     
  23. The Devil Inside Banned Banned

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    how not?
    leaps of faith as to linguistic interpretations of names, from hebrew, to aramaic, to english.....
    how is it more plausible than some guy that was executed wondering about his plight?
     

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