Gas Passes $4.50/gallon

Discussion in 'Politics' started by sandy, May 13, 2007.

  1. superstring01 Moderator

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    Agreed. The US education system is jacked up. It's one of the FEW areas I believe in centralized planning of something on the Federal level. Local control has given us: merde. The French, Germans, Dutch, and Japanese all centrally plan their education systems, have standardized testing, and all the schools have the exact same books, and curriculum across the entire country. Currently, they score better than American students across the board. Works for them... works for me.

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  3. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    jesus..that's cheap. 1.35 Euro per LITER here.
     
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  5. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    Who sells gas passes $4.50/gallon, how do they condense it to liquid form, and are cow flatulents used for this?
     
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  7. Ganymede Valued Senior Member

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    Wrong, when Neocons went to War to control the oil supply. Chevorn, Shell, etc, have all enjoyed record setting quartely profits. If you ever want to know who's responsible for any war or murder, just look at who benefits the most

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  8. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

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    Exactly. Its not about who's buying it, its about who's selling it and controlling the supply.
     
  9. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    What's the contradiction?

    They did go for the oil, which is conveniently reduced in production, thus raising the price, thus raising the profits for Exxon mobile, Chevron, etc...

    Once production sharing agreements are in place, they can control the flow of oil at will. If they manipulate the price carefully, they can ensure profits far into the future, or as long as the reserves last.

    Oh, I almost forgot to add, the Republicans get all those political donations from the oil companies, and the cycle continues, isn't it beautiful?
     
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  10. Roman Banned Banned

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    The alternate theory is that the oil companies already have that market cornered, and are sitting on the inventions. They'll start selling them once there's no oil left.
     
  11. Roman Banned Banned

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    Despite very heavy lobbying from Alaskans, and republican control of both houses for 12 years, ANWR stays ANWR because the gas companies aren't that interested in developing. They honestly don't think it's worth the investment.
     
  12. Roman Banned Banned

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    The US went to war with Spain, who had colonies next door, and with Mexico, because we wanted the rest of Texas. We also fought Canada in the war of 1812.
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Lots of refugee problems in 1812?
     
  14. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    Probably not, but whole lot of people want to come here these days.
     
  15. superstring01 Moderator

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    You're not serious, are you? The entire state of Alaska numerous national and international corporations have been petitioning Congress since the seventies to open up the reserves... but, alas, they've been stopped every time by the Democrats.
     
  16. Roman Banned Banned

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    Huh?

    Yeah, I am. For the past 6 years there has been nothing in the way of Bush opening ANWR. Nothing. If the oil companies really wanted it open, it would have been opened.
     
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    There has been nothing in the way of opening it up?

    John Kerry et al have threatened to filibuster any attempt to pass legislation that could open it up. The president can't do so with out congressional approval. Republicans have been beating the ANWR drum for 20+ years and Democrats have consistently opposed any measure to do so.

    When the Bush administration (yeah, big oil controlled) said that it wanted to open up ANWR, numerous oil companies started investing millions in preperation, but when the momentum failed under Democratic pressure, they started pulling out.

    Your claims that they pulled out because it wouldn't be worth it are specious at best. "BIG [bad] OIL" has been drooling for years at getting its hands on ANWR... I suggest going a little reasearch on the issue. How about... start with the sites owned and run by said oil companies, for example. I'm not saying you should buy into the whole thing because THEY want it... but starting with them is a good idea before claiming you know what they want. And the millions they've spend lobying Congress says, clearly, they want to start drilling in ANWR.

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  18. superstring01 Moderator

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    From the Heritage Foundation:
    From ANWR.org:
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  19. Roman Banned Banned

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    52-48, that's really close. The oil companies couldn't afford two more votes? Yeah, right. It's just that, after 20 years of battles, and losing after having republican control of almost every branch of government, the oil companies are going to cut their losses. Why bother lobbying at the Capitol, when it's working so much better at the pump?

    I've grown up with Alaskan politics. It's controlled on virtually every level beyond the municipal election. You won't go far without a pro-oil stance, especially since every Alaskan resident is entitled to a check of ~$800-1000 every year, cut from the oil revenues.
     
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    The point is, I'm not trying to state that we should drill in ANWR (which I believe we should), the point I was making is that Bush can't just "order" the drilling as you implied. It's a congressional issue. And, don't fool yourself into believing that all votes are bought. The Dems have long stood shoulder to shoulder against ANWR drilling, NO MATTER how much oil contained therein.

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  21. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    You are making an illogical argument, which is, oil is now expensive ergo we didn't go to war for oil. As soon as you agree the war is being lost, now the logic returns.

    We went to war against Iraq to secure Iraqi oil
    We are losing the War.
    Oil is now expensive.


    Very simple really, I am sure now you can see your mistake.



    Not that it matters as Cheney's Halliburton (now sitting over in UAE) is rich and getting very very much richer. Could it have been any better for them? They get sweet no-bid Neo-crony military contracts (we continue to lose the war so these contracts continue to get renewed) and to top it off the price of their other product, oil, goes sky-high. They are rolling in it.


    Neo-con Chickhawks like Bush and Cheney remind me of those stuffy Englishmen that went to war against the Americans - all powdered up and prancing about in their little red bow ties. They really have no idea what war is because of the lot of them, no one has ever been in a war. Even chicken shit Junior got out of going to Vietnam and instead sat around and dropped acid while simultaneously running each company his daddy gave him into the ground. Why would anyone suspect these guys could conduct a proper war?


    Now that we've satisfied your question, I have a question:
    If profits are the bottom line, and the only bottom line, then which is a better situation for Cheney's Halliburton: Oil prices go up or go down?

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  22. Singularity Banned Banned

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    Nice try smarty, since u dont like the word illuminati i think u should shutup.
     
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    Its unbelievable that people are so calm and cool about the issue :shrug:

    Its their tax money that were used to make those illuminatis richer, but look at them.

    They never ask themselves , why is oil expensive, and since there is shortage, where in the world are cars standstill due to lack of oil.
     

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