Why would evolution create a higher state of consciousness?

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  1. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    hehe, obviously not everybody is on 10% of awareness, that is just the average. It is like saying we Homo Sapiens are approximately of 5´8 feet tall; this is just an average.
     
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  3. kmguru Staff Member

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    Oh...wise one....:m:
     
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    the mind

    The mind is/makes waves, questions, with its thoughts and then spends its life making all sorts of bigger waves seeking solutions, answers, to all the waves (questions/answers) until it goes to sleep into thoughtless-silence: Samadhi, SELF-realization.

    -- Really, Reality
     
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  7. Rickjames Registered Member

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    Racial-super theories are like rats, once you think they've disapeared they show up and propagate again in another place. lol. By the looks of it this topic is no exception. how do you get 'race' rom 'higher state of conciousness'.
     
  8. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    Some people feel offended by this sort of things, that´s their problem.
     
  9. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    I have not read thread, but answer I like best was first advanced by Humphres, I think. It is: "So our hypotheses can die instead of us."
    I.e. we can consider the consequences of possible actions and avoid doing things that are likely to result in harm to us. (An un-conscious, automatically responding, creature can not do this.)
     
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  10. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Define "higher state of consciousness": either you're conscious or you're not.

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  11. heliocentric Registered Senior Member

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    Id lean towards pan-psychism, mind is a key component of matter 'all the way down'.
    And if you take that to be true, what's weird isnt the prospect of consciousness its actually insentience thats completely inexplicable.
     
  12. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    "Consciousness" is like a guitar string, you can tune it until it sounds harmoniously, or you can continue doing ugly noises your whole life.
     
  13. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Speculation.
    How is it measured, tested, demonstrated?
     
  14. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    You pull your penis out, and you´ll have a way of measuring your state of consciousness; try it... it is a very proof-oriented method.
     
  15. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    Now seriously Oli, it is like saying you can create proof of what you are thinking right now. The level of consciousness can be measured by yourself, by how your mind wonders from the present moment and your present actions to the future or past.

    The higher the level of consciousness, the more you are focused on the present; you are in total control of your subconscious.
    The "perfect tunning" of your consciousness happens when the left side of your brain conciliates differences with the right side; the perfect tunning happens when your conscious and your unconscious become one... As Jesus put it: It happens when the male and the female in you become one.

    I dare you to try a simple method for one day, and you can later tell me how it went... Only you will know the truth, and you will not be able to prove it, but I can rely on what you tell me is the truth, because if you lie, it makes no difference to me; it only makes a difference to you. Now here is the method:

    Imagine a blue flame were your heart is, inside you (off course) for a whole day. And never deviate your attention from that flame. That will put your whole attention in a single spot, the blue flame. You will notice that you are able to do everything you normally do, but imagining the little blue flame, and focusing on it.
    At the beggining, you will notice that you can be able to control your thought of the flame for only seconds, and then there will come a time in the day when you will notice that you totally forgot about the flame for hours. You are not going to be able to hold the "flame thought" even for minutes, but if you practice, you will become better and understanding of this.

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    That is a high level of consciousness, to be able to put your attention in a single spot, without having your unconscious wonder in the past or future.
     
  16. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    That's the point: my level if consciousness is evident only to myself - so how can anyone state whether or not it needs to be higher?

    And how will imagining a blue flame improve me as a human being?
    What relevance do blue flames have to my life?
    If you're talking about being able to focus concentration and exclude the rest of world while doing a task then that's how I ALWAYS work when I have something of interest.
    It's neither higher, lower or sideways from my normal state: it's what I've always done.
     
  17. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    Crowds are the less conscient human beings on Earth; do you want to be part of a crowd, or be yourself?

    lol, you may want to raise arguments about this, but it is only a method for concentration, it is mind-training. Your mind is in control of you, not the other way around. If you are able to mantain the "blue flame" for a whole day, without interruptions, then you are in control of your mind.
    It´s worth saying to you that you can work normally while thinking about the flame.
    This is a 5000 year old method given by Shiva, to Devi. And it has remained un-changed for that bunch of years. I mean, it is one of the most widely used methods by meditative monks.

    That´s how you always work, because you are not in control of your thoughts.

    If you are unable to use the method then just say it. And you are the less adecuate person to make an opinion about this if you don´t even want to try it.
    You can argue all you want about the flavor of a pizza, your argument is not much good unless you have actually tasted pizza. I´m saying: here is the pizza, try it; but you continue doing arguments about how you don´t want to try it because is too "salty", I say just try it and then we will talk.
     
  18. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    I've never been part of a crowd.

    Nope - I thought that the blue flame was to aid concentration - which as I pointed out I already do.
    I asked about the relevance of blue flames since I couldn't see the connection (with anything).
    If it's purely learning to focus on a particular object then, as said, that's how I work.

    If I devote my thoughts to the task at hand then how am I not in control - my mind is doing what I want it to.
     
  19. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    The purpose of the flame is to concentrate your attention on a single spot, all your energy will go to that spot; and then you will be able to use that energy. When you spend time thinking about past experiences, or with anxiety, or damaging emotions, that is where the energy is going. You spend energy by thinking; so, I´m basically telling you a method for concentrating your energy to be able to use it in more productive tasks.

    But you describe it like you are a conscient person, how come you are not in favor of cultivating consciousness?
     
  20. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    That is what your mind wants you to think.
     
  21. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Then who is in control of our minds ?

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  22. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    Your mind doesn´t need controlling to function, it is very independent by itself. We have to give power to our minds in order to function normally.
    But you know that you don´t have control over your mind when you want it to do something, and it doesn´t. Like for example that focusing method I gave earlier; it is a very difficult task to concentrate on a single thing even for a day, your mind simply won´t let you.

    Your mind will always be wondering on how your present experiences are related to your past experiences; and if not, then it is thinking about future results of the present actions. You mind cannot be at ease at the present moment, and that is what consciousness is all about; to be able to control your mind in order to use it, not be used by it.
     
  23. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    And am I not my mind?
    If I got an artificial body would I be me? I assume so.
    If I got a different mind in this body would I be me? No.
    Because my mind is what I am.
    The accumulation of memories experiences and thoughts.
    I am my mind and I do what I want.
     

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