There was no Sun worship

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  1. river-wind Valued Senior Member

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    No it doesn't seem that the Jewish traditions were based heavily on sun worship. However, much of the Jewish faith seems to have been built on other religions from the area; some of which do have a strong history of sun worship.

    Certain aspects of the OT could be linked to a sun-worship tradition, and have been by many scholars. Some more obvious than others, such as the Birkat ha-Hammah.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birkat_HaHammah
     
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  3. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Their god - Jahve. It's a personalized phenomena

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    It's a metaphor made into an object. Sorry, as I said, I don't wish to spend this evening discussing christianity. Actually I'm now going to read a book. Cya, all
     
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    -No Sun worshipping ? LOL
     
  9. Grantywanty Registered Senior Member

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    Sun being used as a symbol
     
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    Symbol of what ? Of God ? Whats the difference ?
     
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  12. Odin'Izm Procrastinator Registered Senior Member

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    At least the sun exists unlike the god we have now, it probably responds alot more than god does as well.

    I recon if people are able to worship something which they have never seen or felt, they can easily worship a ball of flame with grows their crops, warms them, and looks pritty.

    To help this assumption, back then they did not know whatthe sun was, so instead of prasing the sun they praised a sun god and so on. My father's family originated from Persia, before Islam came along they were Zoroastrian, they praised the Sun god, Fire god, Earth god and I don't know what else, they still light the Zoroastrian flame one in a while, the worship of the sun and fire is written all over Samarkand.
     
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  13. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    There is no Fire god, Earth god, etc in Zoroastrism.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism
     
  14. John99 Banned Banned

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    Well the first image is...is...um...is it...can it be? YACATECUHTLI???
    http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/aztec-mythology.php?deity=YACATECUHTLI

    Most cannot even spell the name yet they have websites about it.

    The second cross-bearer is from your link:

    http://www.answering-christianity.org/ac.htm

    Your caption is - guess Who? I dont know, why dont you tell us. Is it Copyright 2005? you probably dont even know.

    And so what if you are Muslim, we are looking for unbiased sources. No one here is looking to take anything away from you. And if i need to say this over and over i will - I DO NOT FOLLOW AN ORGANIZED RELIGION. MY RESPONSES DO NOT NEED TO CHECK OUT WITH ANY COMMONLY HELD BELIEFS, ONLY BASED ON INDEPENDANT RATIONAL OBSERVATION. I AM IN SEARCH OF KNOWLEDGE AND PERSONAL INTEREST. I dont believe half the bull shit being perpetuated, that makes me less prone to believe in myth than most that responded here.

    And to give you a clue, Jesus can certainly have similarities to others - WHY? Because there is the possibility of numerous manifestations. POSS IB BILL IT TEEEEE.

    YACATECUHTLI was, as far as i know, never crucified.

    The idea behind education is to not remain ignorant. A bad education is worse than no education. Are you going to tell us nex that Romans did not crucify? Hence, the CROSS.

    Oh i am sure it makes a case better than you (it makes the 'head case' case very well) but there is a thread on the movie already, you should read it.

    I do know that many ancient people were more intelligent than modern ones, this is proven repeatedly AND it is also becoming clear that no modern religion should use anything that uses the SUN as a symbol in any way so as to not be taken out of context....ooooh that is the SUN, Billy. This would be funny if it were not so sad. The fact is that i worry about our civilization and how it embraces ignorance.
     
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  15. BlueMoose Guest

    YACATECUHTLI

    He who contains all the four seasons. What defines what season it is ? The sun and how much of it is there to be seen of it, i.e sun owns all the seasons, one year cycle i.e the time that takes earth to go around the sun.
    He who leads the way i.e the sun, the sun and the stars were the objects in the sky which helped travellers.
    He who is presented on the cross, i.e the sun is staying still in the crosspoint of the southern cross in the sky, guess when, yes, 22-25.12 and at the thrid day he/sun is raising up in the sky/heaven.
    Winter Solstice (Dec. 22-25)

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  16. John99 Banned Banned

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    You are pointing out that traditions carried over through generations, i have allready acknowledged this in another post. There are three seperate holidays in the Christian, Jewish and Muslim faiths that coincide almost enirely just differ in lenght of time.

    Ramadan, Yom Kippur and Christma\New Years - PARTY. December 25th was a common time for a MAJOR celebration. Celebrating your crops growing...ok fine.

    My goal here is to question the notion of THE SUN as THE CREATOR (by the majority) or was it much less than that? Thats all. I have no interest in obscure tribes or small groups.

    Of course the sun was visible but so was\is vast amounts of space. They could surmise that there was something beyond the sun.
     
  17. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    No, from your starting post it is clear that you question the notion that the Sun has been worshipped at all.
    By adding "creator" and the requirement for majority you have limited the scope of your argument and thus acknowledged defeat. Naturally.

     
  18. John99 Banned Banned

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    Avatar, the simplest deduction is that so far ALL these supposed sun gods have a human form or some form that looks alot like a human with fire coming out of his head.
     
  19. BlueMoose Guest

    THE SUN as THE CREATOR - Yes.

    When lots of sun then lots of creation in nature, easy connection to understand back then, and in other hand, too much sun with no water then destruction, just like God can be hard on us time to time

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    maker/destructor ying/yang and shivas dance and so on.

    I read once about some tribe which bowed to empty coke bottle,
    so why not take the sun as a creator, something so powerful that you cant even watch it.
     
  20. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    So? That's where religion comes in. Belief, folk stories and the like, ya know.
    Art is not naturalistic, not even when humans depict humans, much less a mythical mystery in heavens.
     
  21. John99 Banned Banned

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    I think post #75 is pretty compelling, can you refute it?

    And what direct role does the sun play in human birth? Humans were born in caves, and even AT NIGHT.

    That is exactly what i am saying. Just because an object has an element of worship does not make it the focal point.
     
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    And what direct role does the sun play in human birth?

    - I dont know, you have to ask for those whom worships sun

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    In Egypt there was lots of Gods until Akhenaton (spellcheckalert) did bring Sun to be the only God, why, I dont know.

    That is exactly what i am saying. Just because an object has an element of worship does not make it the focal point.

    -Are you trying to say that when they worshipped sun they transfered Gods qualities to sun knowing that the sun wasnt the real God ? Is that it ?
     
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  23. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    I think we're on a different wavelenght.
     

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