woman fined 200,000$ for 24 songs

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  1. river-wind Valued Senior Member

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    Sigh.

    Capitalism is not a single monolithic object. You said "Yet none of your ilk has ever produced a system that works better", but you seem to be creating your own meaning for his "ilk" and for the system that he was referring to.

    Avatar never said that capitalism sucks, or that America sucks, he specifically referred to "American capitalism"; I may not agree with him that it is a plague that need to die, but your request for a non-capitalist nation that "outdoes the US" does not directly relate to Avatar's point.

    Nor mine.

    If you wanted to refute his claim, you would need to show that American-style capitalism out shows all others, not that America is not "outdone" by anyone else in the ambiguous measurement of "[works better] for the general population at large."
     
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  3. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Define it?? You should KNOW what it is since you claim to oppose it! And no, none of those come close to qualifying - unless you've been brainwashed so bad that you actually think things are better there than in the States.

    Want to try again? If so, try a little harder.
     
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  5. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    Since I did live in the US I can say with experience that it is in fact a shithole.

    Many nations in Europe easily outclass this shithole.
     
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  7. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Completely irrelevant to my question because I'm betting that every European nation you have in mind has a form of a capitalistic economy.
     
  8. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Not American capitalism. Visit Sweden, Finland, Germany, France and see for yourself.
    American capitalism is even against the constitution of Germany.
     
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    What???!
     
  10. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Well, a big double-sigh from me. You are STILL dancing all around the question I asked - which is to provide me with the name of a country that does not have a form of capitalistic economy that works better for the general population at large than the US. I'm talking about an overall view of providing the freedom, employment, needs, wants and luxuries found here. countries like Cuba and North Korea hardly come close to providing that.
     
  11. river-wind Valued Senior Member

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    I am not answering that question because it is not relevant to the discussion topic. I did not support that premise, so I'm not going to waste my time listing ways that citizens of non-capitalist nations fair better than US citizens.


    Are you familiar with the difference between 'capitalism' and 'free-market'?


    (edit: this is all off-topic anyway. Unless you're going to claim that US copyright law is an example of the classic American free-market, which would be funny)
     
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  12. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Sure. It says that Germany is a socialist state. If a tragedy happened and the US joined the EU, then Germany would have a constitutional obligation to step out of the EU.
    I talked this over with one constitutional law professor from Germany.
     
  13. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    The general population deserves better than the music American music industry creates.
    And any way, art is not about industrial production, art is about a unique experience of sensual rapture.
     
  14. river-wind Valued Senior Member

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    Any idea why? IIRC, Germany is a parliamentary democracy; even though the Socialist Democrat party is the majority, I/m not aware of anything in the Basic Law that would prevent America and Germany from being co-members of the EU. I'm also not extremely familiar w/ the Basic Law, so that's not too surprising...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Law_for_the_Federal_Republic_of_Germany
     
  15. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Please show me where I ever said America's form of capitalism. I CLEARLY said an economy not based on capitalism. Is that SO difficult for you understand or are you just trying to weasel around what you say you believe???:bugeye:
     
  16. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    So either the US becomes a state dedicated to social principles in the European sense, or Germany must quit its EU membership.
     
  17. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    I first raised the point exactly about American capitalism, not capitalism in general.
     
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