Atheist Fundamentalism and the Limits of Science

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  1. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    You really are out of your depth. As I pointed out, Plato was a pantheist and nothing that you have quoted negates that.

    You are just picking up bit and pieces without an understanding of the context. As I have already told you, Plato was attacking the myths surrounding the gods, not denying the gods themselves. If you cannot work that out from the passages quoted then I can only assume it's because you cannot find the noumenon. I also referred you to " The Laws" where you will find abundant evidence of Plato's pantheism, but you are too busy making fatuous statements to waste your time educating yourself. Much easier to repeat a passage which you offered before, even though it was refuted first time round.
     
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  3. Photizo Ambassador/Envoy Valued Senior Member

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    I will take it that you are purposely throwing up a smokescreen in a weak attempt to avoid exposure...The merits of science and those doing it are not the issue...my reply was addressing your lie concerning the existence of God.
     
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  5. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    You are absolutely right. Be sure your sins will find you out. And found me out they have, I think. I'm not so sure about the lie. No doubt there is something in scripture that tells us a doubt or a denial is a lie.

    Verily I say unto ye, he that doubteth shall be called a liar and shall not see the face of God.
     
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  7. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Photizo,

    And your proof is?

    And when one looks and doesn’t find anything, then what? Since this is not independently verifiable and is personal to each individual, how do you ascertain whether this is true or is really simply a delusion on your part? Bear in mind the two possibilities (1) that there is an incredibly all-powerful super-being capable of creating an entire universe and has created a vast supernatural realm and has enabled infinite entities to persist beyond death, all of which has absolutely zero factual support, or (2) you are simply deluded.

    I hope you see the fundamental problem here – your claims simply have no credibility.

    This is religious propaganda and is reprehensible in an intelligent debate.
     
  8. Photizo Ambassador/Envoy Valued Senior Member

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    The fundamental problem is your inability to adapt...insisting on using the wrong tool for the job at hand...What happens to those species who cannot adapt themselves to a changing environment--let alone recognise one? (in this case the Spiritual versus the Physical)

    The Spiritual realm is pervaded byTruth...certainly a hostile environment for one unaccustomed to its 'atmosphere'.

    Refusal/Failure to adapt leads to bewilderment and confusion, then hallucinations, followed by death shortly thereafter, all ultimately leading to extinction of the species.
     
  9. SnakeLord snakeystew.com Valued Senior Member

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    You tell me. You're the qualified one apparently..

    While that's sweet it's of no relevance. I asked you which scripture you refer to.

    Real in what sense? It exists as an idea, a concept. It is not an existing object. Again unless you espouse that god is the same, using this as a comparison is worthless.

    Non existent... as an object. Existent as an idea.

    Trying to make a comparison with the president, (someone that can be approached by empiricism), is like comparing pigs with jumbo jets. The evidence to suggest that the president exists is so overwhelming that only a fool would concede otherwise. With god there is squat. Oh wait, a dusty old manuscript written by ancient people which is as far as reality is concerned about as valuable as the epic of Gilgamesh or Beowulf.

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    Photzio: Would you like to write an article for my website? I think you're the perfect candidate to show the idiocy of religion for what it truly is.
     
  10. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    Well I.m glad to see you're an evolutionist. Stick with it and you may come to realize the error of your ways.
     
  11. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    Were you truly expecting an intelligent debate ? How would a deluded person recognize that he was deluded ?
     
  12. Frud11 Banned Banned

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    Functionality implies that someone USES -- actively -- the 'tool'. It's called a brain.

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    How about: "A wise man understands that he knows only a little, and must use it wisely, therefore" (old Latin saying).

    (Hey, don't shoot me, I just play the piano here)
     
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  13. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    I hope you play hymns and none of the devil's music.
     
  14. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    Snakelord
    gets back to normative descriptions I'm afraid ...

    given your attitude, it doesn't really matter
    So are mental concepts (like justice for example) real or not?
    as already indicated, its not a classical empirical claim, since there is no amount of training you can do to make the president appear before your senses (you can however appeal to him through a common interest)
     
  15. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    And that's from The Good News Bible. Wait till you read the other stuff.
     
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  16. Frud11 Banned Banned

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    You mean that guy in the dark suit that keeps hanging around? I keep telling him I'm not interested, but he just doesn't seem to listen (he lets me practise, though).

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  17. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    Hide a few pages of scripture behind your music and that should do the trick.
     

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