The actual question - "Why don't you kill yourself?"

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by greenberg, Mar 26, 2008.

  1. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Genes do not directly make you do this and that.
     
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  3. sowhatifit'sdark Valued Senior Member

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    Then the distinction you made between my genes making me think I know certain things and my ability to restrain myself was not correct. Both would be controlled by genes.



    There you go.
    Both determined. Both genetic.


    If yours isn't feel free to point out where you think you are not determined and how. What I will do is start another thread and invite Myles over to it and you and he can fight it out. Cause he sure as shit isn't going to tolerate ideas of randomness or semi-free will.


    you're right. You said it was determining how I feel.
    But you have the same problem here in relation to determinism. My genes are controlling how I feel right now but nothing is stopping me from shutting up. Well, 1) that seems to miss the point about how much feelings control what you do. I don't want to stop talking, which, in your view, would be controlled by my genes.

    That is where I don't think you understand determinism.


    Right. So saying nothing is stopping you from shutting up is a strange thing to say. You were implying that some of my acts are controlled by genes and others are not.

    If you want to put forward a case for semi free will, please do. I would love to see you and Myles have a taste of arguing with each other. Maybe then you would understand my 'attitude.'
     
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  5. sowhatifit'sdark Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, gosh I know this, Enmos.
     
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  7. clusteringflux Version 1. OH! Valued Senior Member

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    I think Enmos is working on his post count.Eh?
     
  8. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Fine I'll shut up.
     
  9. clusteringflux Version 1. OH! Valued Senior Member

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    No, no...you're on a roll.
     
  10. sowhatifit'sdark Valued Senior Member

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    My emphasis.
     
  11. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    I said I wanted to discuss this in a civil, if Sowhat is going to be an asshole all the time he can forget it.
     
  12. sowhatifit'sdark Valued Senior Member

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    If he wants to restrain his genetic predispositions you should let him.
     
  13. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    lol you've got to be kidding me.

    I'm out.
     
  14. sowhatifit'sdark Valued Senior Member

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    1) you basically told me to shut up.
    2) now you have called me an asshole.
    3) and both of us, according to you, are simply living out the dictates of our genes. I don't know why your beliefs have so little effect on how you experience other people.
     
  15. sowhatifit'sdark Valued Senior Member

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    So how did you mean that, when you said nothing was preventing me from shutting up. And how did you mean 'asshole'.
     
  16. clusteringflux Version 1. OH! Valued Senior Member

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    90% of it about genes. Greenburg done killed himself hours ago!
     
  17. sowhatifit'sdark Valued Senior Member

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    I am optimistic about Greenberg.
    I also PMed him to apolagize for my part in derailing the thread. He responded in good humor. He was alive then.
    But your well aimed and succinct irony - obviously including in its target me - was spot on.
     
  18. greenberg until the end of the world Registered Senior Member

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    This is one of my fastest threads! Yay!

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    Anyway, it's telling the way it turned, there being such an emphasis to talk about genes.
    The OP question is a tough one, it's the sort of thing that wakes you up at 2 AM and doesn't let you go back to sleep.
    Humans are prone to escapism.
    Blaming the whole survival issue on the "genes" is a swift and relatively clean way to escape thinking about troubling things. The genes are "yours" after all, so it's not like you are obviously in denial.
     
  19. greenberg until the end of the world Registered Senior Member

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    It was your g... ....

    Well, I didn't have my hopes to high when I posted this thread. It's a delicate subject after all. Escapism, denial, superficiality and conisderations of legal consequences are to be expected.
     
  20. Yorda Registered Senior Member

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    genes have nothing to do with the fear of death and i have no selfpreservation instinct. genes mostly just determine physical things like appearance.

    our environment (friends, family) is one reason why we don't kill ourself, but the biggest reason is that people like to live. most people also seem unsure what happens after death. you know this already.
     
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  21. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    I agree with your last statement except I would argue that your genes and your environment have made you what you are. You had no control over either.

    Why should I be bothered ?
     
  22. sowhatifit'sdark Valued Senior Member

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    Because you have no control of it either since your genes have set you up to react in ways that were probably better suited to the veldt. But it's good to know that this is really the root of it, so I don't take your analysis of my 'pseudo philosophical' interests seriously.

    Note: I was the one that pointed out you and Enmos were leaving nurture out of your answers. But thanks for the echo in your correction.
     
  23. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    I never noticed that before!
     

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