Are atheists lost sons ?

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by Enmos, May 13, 2008.

  1. lightgigantic Banned Banned

    Messages:
    16,330
    see post 31

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  2. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  3. Enmos Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    43,184
    How do you know all this ? Obviously you haven't tried it out..
     
  4. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  5. lightgigantic Banned Banned

    Messages:
    16,330
    obviously?
     
  6. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  7. Enmos Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    43,184
    I'm assuming you are still in your body.. :bugeye:
     
  8. lightgigantic Banned Banned

    Messages:
    16,330
    I bet you are also assuming that the body is the final last word about the self too ....
     
  9. Enmos Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    43,184
    Yes, but that's besides the point.
    I'm asking you how you know it isn't.
     
  10. Myles Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,553
    What else ?

    Sorry, I missed the boat. Anyway, there is not a shred of objective evidence to support the view that we are other than bodies, but that will not stop those who think otherwise from dreaming up or quoting bizarre explanations.
     
  11. lightgigantic Banned Banned

    Messages:
    16,330
    by practice
    and practice has its foundation in theory

    at the moment you have the theory that the body is the final last issue of the self (its not a claim you can verify btw) ..... thus the issue of practice for you ends right there.
     
  12. Enmos Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    43,184
    We're back at 'practice'.. ?

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!


    I thought you were going to explain..

    I can verify it. There is no evidence whatsoever that the self survives corporal death.
    But you made the extraordinary claim, so you come up for evidence to the contrary.
     
  13. Enmos Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    43,184
    I have to go now.
    Myles, you can take over if you want

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  14. lightgigantic Banned Banned

    Messages:
    16,330
    and I thought you weren't apathetic

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!



    Carl Sagan (amongst others) disagrees


    and lo and behold, evidence rests upon qualification ... which once again gets back to issues of practice (and the impossibility of it for one who is working with an alternative theory ...)
     
  15. Myles Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,553
    I take that to mean that if one does not agree with your initial premise, there is nothing more to talk about. In a nutshell, you have no evidenceto offer

    I suggested earlier that we are nothing more than bodies; there is no elan vital. Consciousness is mind-dependent; ask anyone who has been unconscious or checkwhat neuroscientists have to say about work with brain-damaged patients. So, I am offering you some evidence and can offer a lot more if necessary, with the added benefit that. unlike what you proclaim, there is no requirement to believe anything in advance. Anyone can evaluate such evidence.

    What have you got to offer by way of an explanation of what grounds your beliefs rest on ?
     
  16. Enmos Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    43,184
    Apparently nothing.. he was going to explain how he got to know what he knows.. nothing came out.
     
  17. Enmos Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    43,184
    LG, if all you have to say is what you have said already you are not going to convince anyone.
    Even someone that desperately whats to see what you mean would get stuck almost immediately.
    Unless they choose to blindly believe you on your word of course..
     
  18. Myles Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,553
    Even his strawmen are made of artificial straw !
     
  19. lightgigantic Banned Banned

    Messages:
    16,330
    The same goes for you - unless your insistence on evidence is met by an equal degree of willingness to apply yourself, what's the point?
    only if like you, they are reluctant to take up issues of practice

    even to successfully carry out the requirements for a junior chemistry set it is required that one take the manual instructions on good faith
    :shrug:
     
  20. Myles Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,553
    Ok, so let's have a manual and we can work out our own explanation with a bit of practice ( pun intended ) ,that is.
     
  21. lightgigantic Banned Banned

    Messages:
    16,330
    ok.
    No problem

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  22. Myles Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,553
    You are joking ? I have been told to read the Holy Bible for it explains how Jesus died to save readers of the heathen BG
    Repent, for you know not the day nor the hour !
     
    Last edited: May 14, 2008
  23. lightgigantic Banned Banned

    Messages:
    16,330
    .... no
     

Share This Page