Scientists Find More Abiotic Oil

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  1. Trippy

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    On the basis of his posts in this thread, I would have to say he doesn't - having gone as far as calling me insane for suggesting that there is no free elemental oxygen in the mantle.
     
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    LOL.
     
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    Do you not understand the difference between the Earths crust and the Earths atmosphere?
     
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    The atmosphere and crust are in contact. It's called the atmosphere-crust interface.

    Why is oxidation impossible in the crust but possible in the mantle?
     
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    Strawman.

    No one has claimed oxidation is impossible in the crust.
     
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    So if the crust is oxidizing, and oxidation prevents methane formation as claimed by Glasby, how does methane form in the crust?
     
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    I've already cited one article for you (on second thoughts it might have been you that cited it) that explicitly states that the oil field it examines occurs in a weakly oxidized area.

    If the crust is so oxidizing that Methane can not form in it, and the mantle is more strongly oxidizing then the crust, then how can methane (or sulfides for that matter) persist?
     
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    I don't think anyone is arguing (except possibly someone with an oily rag on their head) that nobody has noticed gas coming out of the ground, until 6 years ago either.

    But what (on earth) does it have to do with all that free oxygen down there in the mantle?

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    I'm going to assume that you don't understand that every one of those articles supports what i've said.

    That the PNAS article only serves to prove that under some localized circumstances it might be possible.

    Carbonatite volcanics only occur where partial melting (or remelting) of continental crust (that's what basic means in this context).
     
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    This is the sort of conclusion a grade-schooler, or 7-year old kid might make.

    Does the dude who posted it have the intellectual age of a 7 year old, or just a warped, insane creationist faith of some kind??
    Those goggles must need adjusting, I'd say. Clearly their wearer is having difficulty understanding sentences written in clear English.
     
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    Not one of those articles says oxidation in the crust of the earth is impossible and every single one of those links supports an inorganic mantle origin if hydrocarbons...

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    Straw man, based on a falsehood.

    Nowhere have I claimed that Oxidation is impossible in the earths crust or mantle.

    If you believe otherwise, then you will please be so good as to link to the post where I explicitly state that oxidation is impossible in the crust.
     
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    Ok I guess we're all happy then...

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    The crust is more oxidizing than the mantle...

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    A claim you have made multiple times, but have yet to demonstrate.
     
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    I demonstrated it but you ignored it. I told you that on Mars the crust is more oxidizing than the mantle.

    So too on planet Earth which is more oxidizing than Mars.

    Glasby hasn't demonstrated that the mantle is more oxidizing than the crust. In fact he cited precisely the opposite (Vernadsky 1933) and I quote Glasby directly, "with increasing depth in the earth's crust the oxygen content would decrease to zero, and the content of hydrogen would increase leading to the formation of hydrocarbons at depth."
     
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    Fallacy, and a falsehood.

    The mechanisms are not neccesarrily comparable.


    Fallacy, one does not imply the other.

    So now Glasby is an acceptable source? A little more consistency would be appreciated.

    Or has what Glasby's (and why i cited it) paper is not yet sunk in yet?

    And again, we come back to the point that at least one of the big oil fields (and one might epect more) occurs in an are of reduced oxidation.
     
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    Still waiting to see evidence the mantle is more oxidizing than the crust...:shrug:

    Unfortunately for you and Glasby, oxygen is the most abundant element in the earth's crust.
     
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    Strawman fallacy. I did not explicitly claim that, the quote that you linked to was posted out of context, and was part of a question directed at you.

    Strawman fallacy. Neither myself nor Glasby has disputed that, what has been disputed is the amount of free oxygen present.

    It's also a nonsequitere (among other things).
     
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