Scientists Find More Abiotic Oil

Yes. It's how subterranean animals breathe underground...

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So according to you, oxidation in the earth's crust is possible or impossible?

 

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That's because they are close enough to the atmosphere for air to get down their tunnels. Do you think there are subterranean animals down 1km from the surface?

It's possible but not for animals to live. It's possible in the sense that extreme heat and pressure can break down certain rock chemicals and then react with other rocks. But that isn't the same as there being lots of free O2 for animals to breath. Particularly since you need pressures and temperatures many times above STP to initiate the kind of chemical reactions I'm talking about.

Because they have ventilation systems getting air from the surface. When they have cave ins and miners are cut off from the surface, they die of suffocation or things like carbon monoxide poisoning, because free oxygen doesn't just seep in from the rocks, it has to be pumped in from the surface.

Don't you know anything about mining?

 

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LOL...I think you're my favorite poster.

 

I rest my case.

 

Nice bit of selective quoting. Particularly considering the other half of the sentence then goes on to say it still doesn't support your claims. It's not 'free'. The conditions involved in oxidation processes in the ground are very hot and very high pressure and it would only occur in certain rock types.

Given you are not providing a specific mechanism about oxidation and hydrocarbon production to demonstrate your claims, it's not possible to examine your claims in any more detail. The NASA paper required very specific rocks, like an iron ore which is full of oxygen in it's compounds. The majority of the oxygen in the ground isn't in that form.

Also, your case involved talking about the carbon in the universe and claiming all carbon chemistry was organic. Just as now you're under the impression that if there's oxygen in a compound in the ground it can oxidise things. Which is wrong.

 

Only a retard thinks that oxidation doesn't take place in the earth's crust. Methane has a 7 year halflife (hardly a "fossil" fuel).

Glasby is the one who made the claim about oxidation and you're right, he provided no specific mechanism. All I said was that the crust is more oxidizing than the mantle, which is self-evident to any normal person (Vernadsky 1933).

That's the thread in the chemistry forum.

I never said that. I said the crust is more oxidizing than the mantle, which is correct.

 

This troll has been fed enough.

If anyone is worried about having been misrepresented by this troll, with half quotes and false claims and so forth, so that they fear a bystander might mistake the troll's version for their actual opinion,

no need: anyone with any sense can see what has been happening with this guy in every thread he enters, and no one whose opinion is worth anything is mistaking his versions for yours. You have no need of self-defense, and no hope of even holding a reasonable discussion with the guy.

 

The one that doesn't look like much of a case?
That doesn't hold anything because it all fell apart a while back, you just haven't noticed all your stuff getting scattered and looking lost, along the road behind you? I'd go back and have a go at picking some of it up, if I were you.

 

Just to reiterate how utterly ignorant Glasby is:

Owned.

 

Indeed. It is a crude misinterpretation of the article. The abiogenetic origin of methane was only emphasized as in other similar areas the majority methane is produced by methanogenic bacteria.

 

Maybe this will in the discussion, The below map shows the world with the current Atmospheric content of oxygen converted to water, which about 21% to 24% of the earths atmopshere, the remainder being Nitrogen.
The map it self sets the stage of former life on our planet, the world it self looks different today as the earths water has evaporated leaveing the current surface features we would see on a normal map. Also in the evaporation of sea water the earth has formed our oxygen atmosphere.
The surface land that is exsposed in the below map defines a unique area, as it is the primary locations of dinosaur nest found around the world. Which nearly defines in addition that dinosuars lived in a time when nitrogen was the only major atmospheric componet untill oxygen had evaporated into the air. it also defines that oxygen dependant lifeforms had to gain oxygen form the sea, simular to the way fish with their gills exstract oxygen from water.
In this prehistroric enviroment we would exspect to find abundant sea planet life, exspecially swamp and marsh lands.
The fossil record supports the orientaion of the below map, and we can exspect to find gas and oil depostits that are organically/ orginating from biological life in center spots of biolocialy activity, at least fossil fuels.

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So, if you're a moron who thinks oxygen is always present as elemental O2, and animals can live kilometers below the surface, in rocks, and breathe the oxygen that's "down there"; know next to no chemistry, or what "oxidation" and "reduction" actually mean; know nothing about mining, or drilling - you can then invent an amazing (but really really stupid) idea about abiogenesis.

Or at least show everyone you can spell it.

 

Life is irrelevant to this discussion. This isn't the Biology Forum.

How many dinosaurs does it take to make a barrel of oil? How many dinosaurs live on Titan? How did dinosaurs construct a time machine to travel back in time to the Archaean and deposit oil in volcanic rock?

LOL. That map is worthless and has less than zero to do with oil deposits. Ghawar, Burgan, Cantarelle, and Pennsylvania aren't even on your worthless biology map. Russia, the largest petroleum producer in the world, is in total darkness on your retarded map...

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Here is a real map:

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Are you sure it's a "real" map?

You could be imagining that, you know. After all, your imagination does seem to be capable of dreaming up all sorts of completely unrealistic stuff - like chemistry, animals in rocks that breathe mineral oxides, biology that requires time-travel; I don't know, there just seems to be a complete lack of any realistic grasp of it, given anything you've had to say about oil, or the planet you're living on.

It's all very well claiming that you aren't a retard, and everyone else is. But you look like a retard - actually a moronic retard - who simply has nothing remotely substantive to support your imagined claims about oil.

Anytime you have to face something that shows you've made a mistaken conclusion, you ignore it. That's exactly what retards do. Moronic retards repeat the performance, more or less on cue. Just like pressing a button, you get the moronic response from retards of that kind (you know, moronic retards like you).