Oil Doesn't Come From Dead Dinosaurs

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  1. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Ok well, carbon or on titan would be reactive, meaning capable of making hydrocarbons,(chemicaly negative) having extra charge, emitting themal energy, and capable of forming compexed chemicals.
    So volcanic plumes/ spouts of hydrocarbons on titan as mention would be a correct assement/ likly correct observation.

    However those carbon deposits would not be native to Titan. To those that study Titain that would be interesting information because carbon that has a subterrrainian depth means that the skim of the crust has many other componets that must be non-native or means that Titain has a active geological surface that has allowed the coverage of carbon or hydrocarbon deposits.

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    A link is a link to an internet website. A citation is not a link...

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    ROFLMAO. You take the cake. You're the one who cited Glasby. Glasby said it he didn't imply it. Why would I imply the opposite of what I believe? Yeah I'm a fossil fuel theorist...

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    Strawman fallacy - no one has claimed this, nor is it implicit anyt any claims, it has already been explained to you multiple times that different mechanisms prevail in different regimes.

    Or are you going to tell us that the interior of 10 Hygiea is at temperatures of over 150°C and pressures of over 30kpa?


    Falsehood - in considering the origin of the hydrocarbons in each system, one must consider the differences in conditions, for reasons that I have already alluded to.

    Strawman fallacy.

    Different conditions neccessitate the consideration of different mechanisms - there is no UV light in the mantle, 10 Hygeia is not sufficiently large to reach the temperatures and pressures required by your own paper.

    The hydrocarbons are the same chemical, however the precise mechanisms and pathways of formation are substantially different in substantially different conditions.
     
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  8. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    The internet is not the only source of information. I provided a relevant and useful citation. If you don't like it, or want further information DYOR.

    I'm not talking groundbreaking or new science. I'm talking chemistry that is well characterized, and an extension of a process of oxidation (starting with a primary alcohol).


    Strawman fallacy.

    I did not deny citing Glasby.
    I cited Glasby because he presented a balanced discussion.
    You did not imply anything, you explicitly stated that the earths crust is so oxidizing that methane has a half life of 7 years.
    You have explicitly stated on multiple occasions that you believe the earth is too oxidizing to form hydrocarbons, and this is why abiogenesis must be a fact.

    You have contradicted yourself.
     
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    At one point it must've been.

    Irrelevant.

    At one point it must've been. It's a fragment of a larger body.

    And you have evidence of that?
     
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    ROFLMAO. You are a master of the strawman fallacy. I never once claimed that. Ever. This whole time I've been saying how idiotic it is for you and Glasby to believe that. You are a liar.

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    Falsehood.
    Implied ad hominem fallacy.

    You've quote me out of context (yet again).
    The post in question: http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1959625&postcount=56

    I was quoting Glasby, not commenting on the validity of his statement, and demonstrating how your own source contradicted you.
     
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    All you do is quote me out of context.

    As I have told you a million times, only an idiot thinks oxidation prevents hydrocarbon generation.
     
  13. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Unjustified assumption.

    Completely relevant as it represents (one of) the mechanism(s) for the production of hydrocrabons on Titan.


    Unjustified assumption.


    Sure, simple thermodynamics - a reaction that requires temperatures of >150°C, and pressures >30kpa will be viable on the surface of pluto.
     
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    It's not an assumption it's a conclusion.

    The mantle and volcanoes are the only mechanism for hydrocarbon production on Titan. UV light does not generate hydrocarbons. It melts them...

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    A conclusion is not an assumption.
     
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    And yet here you are, saying exactly that:
    http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1962076&postcount=168

    Are you denying that this is your post?
     
  16. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    Nope. I take it you disagree with that statement?
     
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    Falsehood. I have not once quoted you out of context.
    I have not once (deliberately) left contextual information out of my quotes of your post,


    And yet you have argued precisely this as being one of the reasons that biogenesis of hydrocarbons must be false.
     
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    Whether I agree or disagree is irrelevant.

    I've already stated that one of your own sources states that at least one big oil field occurs in a part of the earths crust that is less oxidized then is normally found.
     
  19. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Here is a picture of the thought assumed hydrocarbons on titan.

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    Lakes of hydrocarbons on Titan


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    A conclusion based on the assumption that all hydrocarbons must be made by carbonates at high temperatures and pressures. An assumption that contradicts observational evidence.

    Falsehood.

    http://www.astrobio.net/news/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2829

     
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    I never argued that. What I said is that if oxidation prevents the formation of methane as claimed by you and Glasby, that biogenic formation in the crust would be impossible, which is correct.
     
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    A conclusion is not an assumption.
     
  23. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    Hilarious. Methane (CH4) can't break apart into ethane (CH3CH3) since ethane is more complex. It's chemically impossible. I suggest you go take a high school chemistry class.
     

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