Evolution v Intelligent Design; Should we really teach evolution?

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by Norsefire, Aug 20, 2008.

  1. Betrayer0fHope MY COHERENCE! IT'S GOING AWAYY Registered Senior Member

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    Personal attacks.

    How is it logistical OR technical that aliens altered our DNA and junk to make us more complex rather than us actually evolving which has been observed?
     
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  3. Roman Banned Banned

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    What about social tigers and anti-social tigers?
    Or should I call them tigers and lions? They can be bred, yet are wildly different in a whole range of ways- genetics, geographic spread, niche, behavior.
     
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  5. Roman Banned Banned

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    Are you familiar with Occam's Razor, or the rule of parsimony, Norsefire?
     
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  7. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    None for either evolution or ID. They are concepts, at best.

    A lack of evidence means it hasn't been observed or can't be observed. My point was, even for concepts that can't be observed, it doesn't mean they're automatically ridiculous.

    When in hell did I ever state the nature of a "creator"?

    You're making the same stupid mistake atheists make by confusing religion and concept.

    That's religion. The concept of a creator, without specificying his nature or making suggestions, but JUST THE FUCKING SIMPLE CONCEPT (geez Im so sick of repeating this) IS NOT ABSURD.



    It's a concept. Not every theory is actually testable.

     
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  8. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    I didn't say it was MORE logistical, but that it still is a real possibility, and not an absurd idea.

    The only reason I'm resorting to personal attacks is because I've repeated this several times but you just don't understand.

    I AM NOT REFERRING TO SCRIPTURE!
     
  9. Roman Banned Banned

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    So you're proposing a useless concept, and get really upset when we tell you it's a dumb idea because it doesn't actually do anything for us?

    I mean, at least you could tell more interesting stories. I'm partial to Tolkien, myself.
     
  10. Roman Banned Banned

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    You're not nearly as smart as you think you are, Norsefire.
     
  11. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Look: when I say creator I simply mean higher life. I never ever stated a white man in a beard with hell and heaven. Just higher life.

    what in blazes is so ridiculous about that? What is so dumb about the concept of higher life?
     
  12. Betrayer0fHope MY COHERENCE! IT'S GOING AWAYY Registered Senior Member

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    Gotta be a troll, I thought Norsefire was smart. :shrugs: Every theory IS actually testable, that's what makes it a theory.
     
  13. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Really? M theory is testable?
     
  14. Betrayer0fHope MY COHERENCE! IT'S GOING AWAYY Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, I agree with him that you, Roman, did kinda mix up Religion and Concept.
     
  15. Betrayer0fHope MY COHERENCE! IT'S GOING AWAYY Registered Senior Member

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    Not being a smartass, but what is "M theory"?
     
  16. Roman Banned Banned

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    We have no evidence for a creator. Knowledge of a creator doesn't do anything for us. Is it a falsifiable hypothesis? Does it lead to predictions? Can it explain why species do what they do? Can it map phylogenies? Is it useful for genetics work; ie, can we predict what next year's flu strain will look like? Does it explain antibiotic resistance?

    It's totally useless.

    For a very long time, it was supposed the species were immutable. Now we're finding out that's not true at all. How does a creator help us explain diversity and changing diversity? Why is complexity often not favored? A creator doesn't explain parasites or vestiges or "de-evolution".
     
  17. Roman Banned Banned

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    I didn't.
    I was covering my bases. Most of this ID bullshit is thinly veiled bible crap.
     
  18. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Then so is trying to find out how our universe even began.

    It's the pursuit of knowledge.

    I agree that believing in something that has no evidence is not a wise choice. However, I also think relying absolutely ONLY on what you can observe without the ability to think of different concepts is also not a very wise stance.
     
  19. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Read my "religion and concept" thread.

    I'm suggesting a creator in the sense of higher life. I am not referring to any specific scripture because most scripture is imagination.
     
  20. Roman Banned Banned

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    See edit @^^
     
  21. Betrayer0fHope MY COHERENCE! IT'S GOING AWAYY Registered Senior Member

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    Most? Enlighten us which is not. And what the fuck is M Theory?
     
  22. Roman Banned Banned

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    What does the beginning of the universe have to do with life on earth?
    A creator doesn't match the evidence of what the origin of species is (descent with modification). A creator is actually contrary to most of the evidence. And again, it doesn't make predictions! Make a single testable hypothesis that a creator implies.
     
  23. Betrayer0fHope MY COHERENCE! IT'S GOING AWAYY Registered Senior Member

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    Nothing really does anything for us, we survive and reproduce. Anything else is meaningless.

    edit: don't respond to this
     
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