Pakistans tribal loonies blow up Marriot hotel hundreds dead!!!!

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  1. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    I was thinking that the only real solution will be for the West and East to reform Islam for Muslims. They obviously can't get the job done themselves. We will have to be sly and spend decades, but soon enough, much like Scientology, it will catch on and spread itself.

    This isn't so much malice, for example, we could probably support 90% of SAM's own beliefs - she'd make an easy convert. Twist the other 10% over to the light side and *poof* the process starts in earnest.
     
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  3. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    You should have been born in the age of colonisation. Thats what it was all about, the "poor" white man's burden.
     
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  5. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    No, then I'd suggest turning you into an atheist.

    Anyway, Islam is a "Universal" religion, remember? So, I have as much a say in it's reformation as do you

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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Its always amazing to me how much westernisation is about imposing your value system on other peoples and considering it a big favor.
     
  8. stretched a junkie's broken promise Valued Senior Member

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    http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=17401

    Wake up, drowsy ones.
     
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    Its always amazing to me how much Islam is about imposing your value system on other peoples and considering it a big favor.

    Exactly.
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, Crusades, Inquisition, Two World Wars, a Holocaust, Colonising and Creation of the Third World, Structural adjusment Policies and the Current Invasion and Occupation of sovereign countries.

    And still Michael is not satisfied.
     
  11. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Huh, I seemed to have said these exact words: the only real solution will be for the West and East to reform Islam for Muslims.
     
  12. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I still think western civilisation would be a good idea.
     
  13. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    huh, I don't seem to have ever fought in crusades (Xian or Islamic), nor did I participate the Xian Inquisitions, etc...

    RE: Third World countries

    Firstly, there's two situations. There's the situation like India where the country was colonized and then reverted back to "Indian" rule. Then there's the situation like the Americas or Egypt where it was colonized and the colonists took over, changed the language, culture, religion, etc...

    Life in so called "Third World" countries such as India, Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, Africa, etc... has been at the same level from well before and well after most forms of colonization including European and Islamic.

    For most people for most of history life has been quick and short.
     
  14. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Go browns!
     
  15. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Never ending Jihad, and SAM is never satisfied,

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    Muslim Support of Hitler in WWII..........and SAM is never satisfied.

    Across the World today, suicide bombings in the Name of Allah.......and SAM is never satisfied.

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    Islam killing across the world and ..........and SAM is never satisfied.
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Oh? Here's a short research project for you. What was the GDP of those countries before and after Islamic and European colonisation?

    The Third world was created by the British. Deliberately. The Americans have just taken over the mantle to keep the rest of the world under undemocratic conditions for their financial gain. Its why they refuse to sign any human rights statutes in the UN or join the ICC. Also why they arm and train dissidents in countries they want to exploit for political and economic gains. There's your western "reform"
     
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  17. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    If you think there was an accurate measure for the GDP in Indonesia 400 years ago I'd like to see it. Also, wealth distribution would be good. A better measure would probably be the average life expectancy before, during and after colonialism.

    Second, I have said time and time again, that colonialism is wrong. Not just European, also Roman, Arab, Asian, etc...


    Nevertheless, to say that colonization brings nothing is not true. The Taiwanese developed under Japanese occupation (railroads, schools, etc...) That said, to me, it's still wrong.


    Now, here's the funny thing:
    Arab Crusades decimate the Persians (at the cost of their native religion, language, culture), colonized Egypt, North Africa, Spain, Greece, Sicily, India, etc... YET, whoooo hoo hoo hoo .... what now SAM? What do you think about Muslim Colonization? Was it a good thing or an evil thing? How many freaken times have we heard some crap about how wonderful Spain was under the rule of the Muslims. Geee it was like a paradise and ergo Muslims Spanish crusades and eventual colonization was a good thing - Wondrous! Stupendous!
    :bugeye:
    Geee, I suppose the colonization of the America's must be greater than God herself as the heights in technology, knowledge, medicine would make Arab Spanish accomplishments look like a grain of sand next to the Himalayas. We are now unraveling the make up of reality itself!

    But, do you hear me saying the European colonizations of the Americas was good. No. It was wrong.


    Can you imagine if the Japanese had take your attitude SAM? The Muslim sourpuss blamegame after they were nuclear bombed? Instead of being an economic powerhouse and first world nation they'd be poor and probably be blaming Europeans and America especially for militarily forcing them to open up and then bombing them with nukes. That's the reason why Chinese, Koreans, Taiwanese, Singaporeans, Japanese are ushering the Asian Century. Maybe, just maybe, if India pulls it's finger out and isn't nuked by Pakistan they might get in on the halo effect.


    Lastly, colonization of India by the Greeks, the Arabs, the English etc... happened. So what? Its over and done and has been done with for over half a century. If there are problems now then those problems are at the feet of Indians.

    You know, I've heard Chinese actually have the gall to blame Japan for their present predicament. If it weren't for the Japanese then we wouldn't have a Communist government and we wouldn't have had the Cultural Revolution and we wouldn't have seen the death of 70 million Chinese by Communists and we'd have a parliaments and be a first world nation now. YUP - It's all the Japs fault!


    That's the nice thing about what-ifs and scapegoating...
     
  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    heh, and you want to reform Islam. The aborigines of Australia and the native Americans are perfect examples of what western reformation is like. Not to mention the current shambles in the ME. If the westerners stay in their own homes and stop oppressing others, we'll get our freedoms.

    Good thing the Japs are so broadminded eh? Would you be? Lets talk after a nuclear bomb wipes out your family, shall we?
     
  19. John99 Banned Banned

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    Time to join the human race?
     
  20. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, and even if America were the undisputed ruler of the Milky Way, there's still a problem with Islam in the old world. It's obvious that they can not fix it. So, I think that Westerners (Western Muslims - like my friend Mo) will have to solve it for them.

    It's obvious that ME Muslims are considered backwards thinking in todays modern world (polygamy, human rights, freedom of expression, democracy, etc...) and so they will have to be reformed by superior Western ideology - that will have to be done by supporting modern Western thinking Muslims. They will take this new Islam form the West to the ME. Then it will spread. That's the best solution for ME Muslims.

    I fail to see what you find wrong with this idea? If Muslims take the message then they do if not then they don't. I'm thinking a combination of Modern Islam with small a splash of Buddhism and a soft scent of Scientology (worked in as a conspiracy theory) - that would be a great mix ... overlay with modern Western thought and bake for 80 years.
     
  21. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Its people like your friend "Mo" who have led to the shithole of the Middle East. You're assuming that everyone wants to live your life. Its far beyond you to consider that thats not what everyone wants. Don't let that stop you though, I'm sure with sufficient force, people can be forced into any lifestyle you want them to have. Dissidents are the first to die, after all.
     
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    I certainly got an erection.
     
  23. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Humans by Era............................Average Lifespan at Birth

    Neandertha...............................................20
    Upper Paleolithic.......................................33
    Neolithic...................................................20
    Bronze Age...............................................18
    Classical Greece......................................20-30
    Classical Rome........................................20-30
    Pre-Columbian North America.................25-35
    Medieval Britain.......................................20-30
    Early 20th Century..................................30-40
    Current world average............................66.12 (2008 est.)


    I'm pretty sure that life for the average person before during and after colonization was hard and over quickly.
     

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