An important question to BUDHISTS about BUDHISM

Discussion in 'Eastern Philosophy' started by shekhar1438, Jun 19, 2007.

  1. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    The need for proof lies with the one making the claim for existence. Things are assumed not to exist until proven otherwise.

    Unicorns, souls, tooth fairies, gods, etc. all are assumed not to exist until there is firm evidence to the contrary.
     
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  3. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    What are you talking about?
    Who is trying to prove anything exists?

    Again, I think you are getting hung up on the silly concept of a transcedental soul distinct and separate from us.
    That is not what I am talking about nor is that necessarily what the Atman is, as I pointed out.
     
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  5. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    No, I don't really care which silly notion of soul is being put forth. If you posit any notion of soul you need to show what that is.

    If its just another word for "self," we don't need any more.
     
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  7. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    The idea is that there is no self independent of anything. Everything is one. Thus, there is no separation in terms of self.
     
  8. PsychoTropicPuppy Bittersweet life? Valued Senior Member

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    I think someone called it decadence.
     
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    This was one of my favorite discussions I have had at this place, so I decided to try and give it a rebirth and see if anyone is interested in delving into it.
     
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    From: Majjhima Nikaya 2: Sabbasava Sutta — All the Fermentations
     
  11. Thoreau Valued Senior Member

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    Ok, so where is the question????
     
  12. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Did Siddhartha claim there was no self as a matter of metaphysical or onotlogical truth, or did he not take a position on whether or not the self exists and simply consider anatta a skillful strategy?
     
  13. Search & Destroy Take one bite at a time Moderator

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    BuddhaScript2.3 Generated Unanswerable question error. Execute command unAskQuestion()
     
  14. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    The Brahmajala Sutta in the Digha Nikaya (Long Discourses) covers some of this. As with many suttas it should make matters clear as mud.

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    Synopsis here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmajala_Sutta_(Theravada)
     
  15. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Access To Insight does not have this Sutta.
    Do you know anything of This Translation?
    I will always use Thanissaro Bhikkhu's translations if they are available, and am not sure who else's can compare.
     
  17. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    Access to Insight only has selected discourses of the Digha Nikaya, but not DN1.

    That translation seems as good as any, for another try here: http://www.leighb.com/suttas.htm

    For the complete Digha Nikaya Access to Insight recommends Maurice Walshe's The Long Discourses of the Buddha: A Translation of the Digha Nikaya (formerly titled: Thus Have I Heard) (Boston: Wisdom Publications, 1987).
     
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