Riots in Sweden

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  1. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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  3. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    Just some more "youths" who have every reason to burn, right?
     
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  5. EntropyAlwaysWins TANSTAAFL. Registered Senior Member

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    Is it really necessary to start a riot over the lease of a building?
     
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  7. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Do you actually think that is what the riots are about?
     
  8. EntropyAlwaysWins TANSTAAFL. Registered Senior Member

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    Of course not, but it's a convenient excuse.
    I was trying to be ironic.
     
  9. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Irony is always difficult to convey on a forum. There really should be an irony smilie.

    To your main point, it is not an excuse, it is an opportunity, a focus point, a trigger.
     
  10. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    You could just add (ironic isn't it).
     
  11. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    Youth always need an excuse to act out. Again, combined with being the flavour of the month religion, and a proud one at that, this was bound to get attention, and hence cause more trouble.
     
  12. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Right. I'll try again, this time with the risk of being rude. You are completely wrong. The point about youth is that it needs no excuse.
    And you still miss the underlying point of the whole affair. (Ironic, isn't it.)
     
  13. EntropyAlwaysWins TANSTAAFL. Registered Senior Member

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    That's a really good idea....
    perhaps an anvil next to an exclamation mark?

    Hmm, point.
     
  14. John99 Banned Banned

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    There is always an excuse for violence.
     
  15. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    No. An excuse if offered when the person offering the excuse feels/suspects/knows that their actions were wrong. This violence was likely initiated by individuals who felt the violence was wholly justified, therefore excuses simply do no enter into the situation.
     
  16. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    You're simply doing a little play on words ...as if it really means something.

    For the people who feel the violence was wholly justified, you're right ...no "excuse" is necessary. However, to most of the rest of the world, that same "reason" that caused the violence, it's still an "excuse" ...however you wish to view it. And I would suspect that any legitimate court would also view it as an "excuse", not a "justifiable reason".

    Baron Max
     
  17. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    It means something to the individuals who do not believe their actions required an excuse. Failure to recognise this simply begets more violence.
     
  18. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    So the society should surrender to the demands of one or a few violent individuals because those people felt "justified" to do violence?

    How nice for those who don't resort to violence. Geez, the way you put it, whenever we want something, we should just go on a burning and rioting spree ...the governments would give us whatever we wanted.

    Baron Max
     
  19. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Stop being deliberately ignorant Baron. It doesn't mix well with your involuntary ignorance.

    I have not, implicitly or explicitly, argued in support of those who employ violence. I have stated that if we wish to control/inhibit/prevent such behaviour it is helpful to understand the mindset of those engaging in the violence. This requires that we recognise that they think no excuse is necessary for the violence.

    Now next time you want to deliberately misinterpret someones words to promote your right wing reactionary agenda please select someone else. I am getting rather tired of it.
     
  20. John99 Banned Banned

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    unless and until the violence is perpetrated on whom?:shrug:

    good thing you dont live near me, lest i put your theory to the test. and i never advocate violence.
     
  21. John99 Banned Banned

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    no this is wrong. wron, wrong, worng, wrong, worng.
     
  22. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Stop reading what you think is there and start reading what is there. Publicly revealing your poor level of reading comprehension calls into question your overall intellectual capacity. (Translation: if you're thick, we can safely ignore what you say.)

    There is nothing in my statements that condones the violence in any way or form. I am debunking the notion that 'excuses' have anything to do with the actions of those perpetrating the violence. They do not need excuses because they feel their actions are fully justified. It is does not matter whether they are right or wrong in this belief, what matters is that they are using the violence to address what they conceive of as a wrong. Just as I do not need an excuse to give up my seat on a bus to an elderly person, they feel they do not need an excuse to engage in violence. For them it is a necessary and logical response.

    What is it you find so difficult to understand about that?
    More ignorance. I forgive you for being thick.
    pm me with your approximate location. I can arrange to be in most places on the planet within a year. Then you can demonstrate first hand just how thick you are. And I can forgive you again.
     
  23. John99 Banned Banned

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    you are just proving what i said. cant you see that?
     

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