Free Will

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Tnerb, Jan 28, 2009.

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  1. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    So god is playing you like a puppet, making you say this?

    Or is satan playing you like a puppet to entertain god?

    Either way, free will still exists, its just pushed back a layer.

    FYI, its obvious you are completely clueless about atheism. You should read up on it a bit first.
     
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  3. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    No.

    Nope.

    You are confusing spiritual insights and physical insights and you are attemping to apply spiritual insights via reason. These are called errors of kind.
     
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  5. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    You have no will! You must OBEY!!!

    Bwahahahaha!!!
     
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  7. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    The will to live can be lost.
     
  8. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    Wow. Um...have you tried decaf to improve coherance?

    While it has a nice street rant feel and I now want to give you a dollar, I'm not sure what you are getting on about.
     
  9. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    I generally recommend against paranoid ideation.

    Seriously that is a slippery slope which will ruin your enjoyment of discussion groups. QQ is not behind every rock and people can think you are nuts without having to be QQ.
     
  10. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    No. What is the difference between will and free will?
     
  11. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    Mine aren't.
     
  12. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Did that idea occur for no reason.???



    I see no prollem wit that... but i will use the word "cause" ... did that idea occur wit-out cause.???
     
  13. EndLightEnd This too shall pass. Registered Senior Member

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    No, I have simply realized the connection between eastern philosophies and quantum mechanics. Eastern philosophies have told us for centuries that the reality we view is nothing more than an illusion of a grander scale, and individuality is an illusion as well.

    You said yourself in an earlier post...
    Your right, quantum mechanics is well established. Quantum mechanics tells us at a fundamental level, NOTHING is separate. Quantum mechanics tells us observation plays a DIRECT ROLE in how reality is assimilated to the observer. But as Sarkus pointed out earlier, this is more about subjective vs. objective reality and is a bit off topic.
     
  14. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Will is the act of using ones knowledge to make logical decisions on what to do and when to do it.

    Free will is when one has virtually no foreknowledge about the consequences of ones decisions, but one has to act anyway. When one knows of even some of the possible outcomes of ones actions, then his act is NOT free ...it's been influenced by outside forces - knowledge is just one of those.

    Even using ones own logic to make decisions is fraught with outside influences else there'd be no way for the logic to work.

    Thus, ....everyone has will and some freedom to act. No one, except perhaps a new born baby, has "free" will.

    Baron Max
     
  15. Exeter Registered Senior Member

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    It can be very positive, and yet it can be just the opposite. It is good to have optimism across the board, but we also have to accept the possibility that free will can create terrible situations. It happens all the time. I have seen some of the worse scenarios. I have seen some of the best also.
     
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  17. DiamondHearts Registered Senior Member

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    From your post, its obvious you didn't understand what I wrote. Free will exists, in as far as how we perceive it. In reality though, it doesn't exist, because no one is technically free from the laws of nature to think how they please (in the Muslim case, the laws of God). Free will is just a nice thing, it doesn't really exist. We just like to think it does.

    As far as my definition of the lack of free will in atheism, several people have no problem with my post.

    By the way, if you haven't realized by now, I don't really care what you think. You are just an anti-Muslim bigot. If you don't have anything to bring to the discussion other than criticize others, go do some research and come back.
     
  18. Tnerb Banned Banned

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    I think everyone in the universe disagrees with you. What are you trying to do here?
     
  19. DiamondHearts Registered Senior Member

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    If you don't know about swarm, I suggest you take a look at his previous posts.

    I wanted to share my view with those who were interested, if you aren't then just don't respond. What are you, some moderator or something?
     
  20. Tnerb Banned Banned

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    Show me one "best senario" that you've seen.

    Don't go on about your past. Also, what do you mean it can be the opposite?
     
  21. Tnerb Banned Banned

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    We're not necessarially interested in something if everyone isn't interested... This is my thread. And, you are wrong!

    Also, as cool as you are and as much as I would like to agree, sometimes I have issues you have to forgive me.....
     
  22. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Why I feel the choice of unconsciousness or by extention death [ suicide ] leads to the confirmation of free will as a reality:

    when dealing with a system that comprises only of substance [ universe - reality - time etc ] there is absoolutely nothing else beyond that whole system.
    By being able to seek oblivion and as far as we know acheive it, allows us to escape the system.

    So in a system thast only substance we have the ultimate freedom to choose to leave it or stay.

    It is up to us individually to determine what and how pervasive our conditioning is and whether to accept natures dominance and influence or not, thus we have free will to throw it all away.

    Consider that having only the choice between "something"and "nothing" indicates free will.

    As we are dealing with a complete system and not just a part of it.

    In pseudo religious terms [Eastern ] this is why reincarnation carries no recollecttion of past lives except by some intuitive insights [ irregular and unconfirmable]
    And why once death has occurred no continuity of expereince is assumed to be maintained.

    Thus we have the freedom to chuck it inn or live until nature chuck it in for us.
     
  23. Tnerb Banned Banned

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    That is a death threat QQ. Be careful.
     
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