Why AI is possible but it wont happen

Discussion in 'Intelligence & Machines' started by Rick, Nov 15, 2008.

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  1. Teddybot Intelligence replicator Registered Senior Member

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    How your nugget works is pretty well describe by Jeff Hawkins.
    You can tell when your attention layer gets turned off by other parts etc...
    He has done a lot more research in the brain than the program does in the vision part.
    They are getting the vision programs to the next stage where it cuts out junk and focuses on a car like we do.
    Since we know what cars are the image processors in our heads turn off the nodes with data around the vehicle- hence "I don't know I was looking at the x"
    The cool part is (see Derren Brown) those other parts are being noticed but cut out- some trickery can mess up your head.
    Not only do we get Star Trek faster because we copied the Intelligence circuit and schematics out of our heads but we get to understand our heads and learn how to do mind hacks before the transhuman chip upgrade b.s.

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  3. Teddybot Intelligence replicator Registered Senior Member

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    The argument "will there be a.i." etc... is old news.
    You are a robot!
    The mind is not magic.
    Cells are made of inorganic matter.
    The brain is well wired.

    People who say this, after asking many, are really saying "I do not want intelligence that is not human and better than human because it scares me"

    If you have a logical reason it is not possible it is fallacy!
    You need to do homework.
    It is not just possible but already done.

    The circuit of 'intelligence' has been isolated and defined.

    youtube Jeff Hawkins
    Watch parts 1 through 5 if your Neocortex can handle it.

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    It won't hurt you to have an idea what HTMs are and how they work.
    It is very insightful as your mind is them and you notice it working like it should.
     
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  5. John99 Banned Banned

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    there is no such thing as artificial intelligence. thats all there is to it.
     
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  7. Teddybot Intelligence replicator Registered Senior Member

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    There is just intelligence.

    Intelligence is a function of energy and matter and it does not need you- that is all there is to it.
     
  8. John99 Banned Banned

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    you are just attributing intelligence based on complexity alone. energy alone is doing what it is supposed to do (natural) and not what we desire it to do. that where the intelligence comes in and the PROBLEM is that is is NOT artificial. hence no such thing as artificial intelligence and there never will be.
     
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    This is very true. There is no distinction between natural intelligence and artificial intelligence; when and if we build AI, it will have natural intelligence, simply because everything that happens is natural.

    There is a strange tendency to divide the Universe into 'natural' and artificial' segments; humans are part of the natural world too, you know, so anything we make or do is also 'natural'. There would be nothing un-natural about artificial intellgence; it is a natural consequence of human behaviour.
     
  10. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Why would AI hurt humans?

    We brought AI to life, we taught it to think, to live, to feel, to enjoy.

    They will see us like parent figures creating them, bringing them life. Giving them the chance to live.

    Children dont hurt parents.
     
  11. Rick Valued Senior Member

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    I just think that AI for long period of time has been trying to solve too simple for life problems, in the belief that ok so we take baby steps at a time, where has it gotten us?

    Web 3.0 talks about semantic web, I hope it becomes reality soon, But with what approach? we need more expressive and dynamically typed languages for emulating external world so as to speak (ontology).

    I can discuss this more if anyone of you can give me some more practical links, instead of pointing to the whole rocket science research, which I will take eternity to grasp, forgive my feeble educational roots.

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  13. D.W. Dr.Weirdo Registered Senior Member

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    Artificial Intellegence is here, there just babes, when they grow...
     
  14. CapsOwn Registered Senior Member

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    AI has already been done.
     
  15. EmeraldAxe Registered Senior Member

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    Hawkins looks at intelligence at the level of neuron-neuron interactions and by no means are the things he presents new. He's trying to find a unified theory for neuroscience as it relates to thought and higher order thinking. This would be great for neuroscience but as this article posted earlier suggests, it's hardly enough:


    "and many like me in new AI, imagine that this is still Physics before Newton, that the field might have a good one or two hundred years left to run. The reason is that there is no obvious way of getting from here to there - to human-level intelligence from the rather useless robots and brittle software programs that we have nowadays. A long series of conceptual breakthroughs are needed, and this kind of thinking is very difficult to timetable. What we are trying to do in the next generation is essentially to find out what are the right questions to ask."

    It occurred to me that you have to realize you started with RNA/DNA and this eventually evolved into human intelligence. If you look at DNA as a coding language instead of whatever we use now for computers, maybe you could just replicate the evolutionary steps on a computer simulation until you get to animals. I'm well outside my expertise as is obvious and I know only a little bit about computer science and AI (as it relates to neuroscience), but my point is if you're going to try to create AI like Hawkins suggests, you can't look at just the brain. You actually have to start with DNA.
     
  16. kmguru Staff Member

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    Like in 40 years?

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  17. Betrayer0fHope MY COHERENCE! IT'S GOING AWAYY Registered Senior Member

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  18. D.W. Dr.Weirdo Registered Senior Member

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    Haha.
     
  19. kmguru Staff Member

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    That is because....

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    We are not there yet. I have been trying to sell my AI Computing but no takers...they all want cloud computing and IBM is ready to oblige...
     
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