Legalize the C word!

Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by visceral_instinct, Jul 17, 2009.

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  1. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    They totally missed the point.
     
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  3. Gustav Banned Banned

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    i agree doc

    hey so ahh
    what yer wearing?

    /pant
     
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  5. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    What makes you think Barbie is a she ?

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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Where did Gus imply Barbie was a she?
     
  8. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Er.. so he's gay ? I don't think so.
     
  9. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    He replied I agree Doc...

    I think he is saying Barbie is Dr Lou.
     
  10. Betrayer0fHope MY COHERENCE! IT'S GOING AWAYY Registered Senior Member

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    Shut up Oli she seems really smart.
     
  11. skaught The field its covered in blood Valued Senior Member

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    I think Oli has a really valid point here. Even if someone doesn't read the whole contract, they still signed it, and if mods come and tell you that you did something against what that contract said, then you really have no basis for a valid argument.
     
  12. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    You could still argue discrimination if the rules are selectively enforced.
     
  13. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Its not the contract. The argument is that it doesn't really matter what the contract says since whatever rules are decided upon are randomly made, changed, followed and doled out. The argument is that its arbitrary since each mod decides when and how to follow, or rather interpret, the rules. So for example even if Plazma says this:

    "You can say fuck, cock, shit, cunt, etc. as long as these words aren't used to describe other SciForums member."

    Its not the way James had handled the situation. Warnings and bans are handed out arbitrarily and that is the argument in this particular case and probably many others. What these rules are and how they are handled has changed over time which is why the contract and what one signs comes into question. If someone joined this site six or seven years ago the moderation and the rules are very different from what they are now as the culture has changed, the mods and admins have also changed and so has the rules.
     
  14. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Uhm but it does matter what the contract says. It refers to existing rules, how could it not apply ?
    Doesn't it also say somewhere that the mods can apply the rules according to their discretion ? Not sure there though.
    Point is, 'the people' have no or little say. It's not a democracy.
     
  15. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Whatever you signed up to at the time the rules of this place changes based on arbitrary decisions of mods and admins.

    So if there is a rule it is not hard and fast, its arbitrary and is applied at the discretion of whichever mod or admin happens to be in control at the time THAT IN FACT MEANS THE RULES ARE ARBITRARY. I am not saying its a democracy and have never intimated that this is a democracy.
     
  16. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    But you said that if the rules are, or appear to be, applied arbitrary that the rules themselves then are arbitrary. This is obviously not true.
     
  17. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    If you suddeny get warned for something which you were not warned for the last 300 times you did it, thats arbitrary.
     
  18. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Sure, but the rules aren't. They are just applied arbitrarily.
    So, one can't complain about the rules being applied.. right? Complain when they're NOT applied.
     
  19. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    But it is true Enmos. Plazma said specifically that the use of the word was ban worthy only when directed towards a member. Read his post he didn't say that those terms were offensive language in and of themselves. Varda wasn't banned for directing the term towards a member initially but warned, everyone else was INSTANTLY banned for using the term and not warned yet the use of the word cunt it wasn't directed towards any particular member as an offense. If the rules were not applied arbitrarily then Varda would have been instantly banned and there would not have been the second thread OR all other members would have first been warned and not instantly banned for using the term, yet to listen to Plazma none of them under the guidelines given should have been banned since it wasn't being used to insult another member. (an example of the 'rules' not being applied)
     
  20. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Yea, but come on.. what did you expect ?!
    You guys were obviously challenging authority. If you play with fire sometimes you get burned :shrug:
    Besides, I don't see what the big deal is. You were only banned for one day. Just don't use the word anymore (most members never use it so it can be done) and there shouldn't any problem.
     
  21. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Challenging authority? :bugeye: Being part of a thread is challenging authority? Or me saying to Varda:

    "Who complained? Silly ole cunt. I guess it depends on context. I mean it would be warning worthy I guess if you called someone a cunt in a discussion. What I notice is not specific words but almost ANYTHING someone is offended by, its bloody annoying too I can assure you. Remember when a thread title had to be changed because it said something about English people being wankers? The English bloody invented the wanker!"

    Its a challenge to who's authority?

    You seem to not be keeping track of this thread. This isn't about the ban per se as I said I doubt she really cares about the ban and I know Varda certainly doesn't care about the ban. VI started this thread and I said to her that the word isn't illegal since it has been and can be used and that the bans were an arbitrary move on the part of the mod. I was telling her to forget about trying to make sense of the whole thing or making a plea for the term since its all ARBITRARY.

    Stick with the program. Or rather read the posts.
     
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  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Hmm you're right. Why wasn't I warned for off topic posting the last X times I said reported?

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  23. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Varda gets warned for using a word. Then she creates a thread about it with the word as the title. Next some people start using that word about 15 times per post.
    That's challenging authority to me.
    "Varda got a warning for using that word. Ridiculous! Lets see what happens when we use that word over and over and over."
    Well, I guess you found out

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