Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    this is an intresting battle. if you put 10 borg in a room with 10 stormtroopers i think the troopers have a chance if they know who the borg are. if they all target one borg and fire simultaniously the borg wold all be destroyed. but if they fail to do it corect one surviving borg should be enough to attact them with nanoprobes. so in my onest opinion i should say it all depends on the info they have.
     
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  3. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    Q's are not imortal they can be killed as easily as humans. but you need Q weapons.
     
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  5. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    yet because off Hyperspeed SW's scanners must be able to handle that speed so i don't think it would be that hard to track ships that move way slower then hyperspace.
    And who says that a ship has to travel at maximun velocity. trek ships can go warp 9,9 but can do warp 1 just as easily. so it's logical that SW ships can alther there speed to don't ya think.
     
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  7. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    Yet the unshielded enterprise collided and cripled the shielded scimitar. go figure
     
  8. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    yet what do we see when in St they open a pannel. yikes WIRES.
     
  9. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    yet if Voyager had hyperspace she would be home in a day. not decades.

    I thoughed the feds where all about exploring. what better way then to be at the other side of your galaxie in a day.

    but the quantum slipstream look pretty cool though

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  10. alpinedigital Registered Senior Member

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    Sadly, the SW turrets that aim the turbo lasers are too slow to track their targets though, so yeah maybe the ships sensors can track them but those turrets are a mechanical failure.
     
  11. alpinedigital Registered Senior Member

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    The point is, if stormtroopers win, you have 10 stormtroopers and 10 dead Borg. If the Borg win, you have no dead stormtroopers, and you get 20 Borg. It was a discussion about being outnumbered, which if you're borg, you can turn your enemies and increase your numbers. Most species can't do that.

    Forget the charge time on that weapon?

    Can't hyperjump TOO well with uncharted systems, and especially not without jump routes. If jumping without routes had even somewhat acceptable risk, there'd be no point in dreaming up the idea that there'd need to be route maps in the first place.




    At what point does it matter? He looks like a Q, talks like a Q, walks like a Q. And he can bitch-slap you into a different reality like a Q. Would it matter if you're on the holodeck with the safeties off, whether the Klingon who stabs you is real?
     
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  12. Nexarc Troper In Training Registered Senior Member

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    The EPS conduits are the main power transfer points throughout the ship but certain areas and subsystems have taps to transfer some energy into conventional wiring if needed. This should mean that ion canons would only cripple minor systems and transporters if they effect anything at all.

    Considering that no species encountered within the entire 200+ years that the UFP was around don't even use hyperspace tech makes me think that the SW type of hyperspace is too unstable for travel or is just theoretical in the Milky Way. So Voyager would only look for tech they know are working to help them.

    Planetary defences are usually very strong and difficult to overcome. The only times I can remember that Earth defences failed are the surprise attack by the previously uninvolved Breen, the obvious adaptations and destruction by the Borg and internal sabotage. Even Nero of STXI (for all the problems of that movie) had to force out the defence codes protecting Earth from Pike so the defence systems don't interfere with his plans. All in all the systems should disable or destroy the incoming Eclipses before they even get into range depending on whether or not the Feds know of the threat they pose.
    In all the instances we've seen the Q implies they are still near-omnipotent beings who are limited only by each other and the rules they placed upon themselves. The only way we have seen them die or very weak is if other Q take away their powers or by weapons they themselves create (something that as far as Im aware of can't be replicated or handled by mere mortals).
     
  13. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    why use turbo lasers ??? . their trajectory can be calculated. give them the feeling the're always hunted so that will keep them occupied while you start destroying the homeworlds.
     
  14. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    this one of the ridiculous things in st there is, being able to be killed in the holodeck.
     
  15. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    i just highlighted your own words. that is enough

    about the q weapons being handled by mortals . in voyager they did when Q wanted a baby with Janeway.
     
  16. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    TW Scott what you try to say here is allmost impossible. you can't have a debate when the carracters don't act against their base nature. allthough it would be in favor of the SW universe it would make the debate impossible because then you have to concider every single persons identity. no human will act like the other.
    cardasians, dominion and ferengi would sell out thte feds in notime. species 8whatever would team up with anyone powerfull enough to destroy the borg.

    but take Qwark for instance. allthough a ferengi will sell his mother for a buck I surely doubt that he would sell out Sisko. see what i'm getting at? even on board the enterprise there have been feds that betrayed them as would a lot of persons betray the empire. so please keep the debate a little bit simple

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  17. alpinedigital Registered Senior Member

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    If they could track and hit something at warp, why couldn't they just smoke everything that was MUCH SLOWER in the movies?

    But they were in the Q Continuum, so given that we have not seen this take outside the continuum, it's debatable if this would work anywhere else.

    I read ds1 was 24 hrs, and ds2 was a few hours:
    DS1 Recharge Time (Planet Scattering): less than 24 hours

    DS2 Recharge Time (Planet Scattering): approximately 5 hours.
     
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  18. alpinedigital Registered Senior Member

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    *Pats Vasago on the back* well played. And I mentioned in another thread that behaviors change, like when Janeway went through those rituals to save kess and fully believed in their religion thing... when previously, Janeway believed that science could explain everything. And the Borg negotiating an agreement with Voyager to become allies against species 8472.

    "Sorry but you cannot have a Trek character act against their base nature." < logic fail

    If they could track and hit something at warp, why couldn't they just smoke everything that was MUCH SLOWER in the movies?

    But they were in the Q Continuum, so given that we have not seen this take outside the continuum, it's debatable if this would work anywhere else.

    I read ds1 was 24 hrs, and ds2 was a few hours:
    DS1 Recharge Time (Planet Scattering): less than 24 hours

    DS2 Recharge Time (Planet Scattering): approximately 5 hours.
     
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  19. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Uhm.. I'd LOVE to see a machine bring a dead (read, no life signs at all) back to life, or shrink a colony of entities made entirely of energy from larger than a starship to the size of his hand, or move a moon 300 km with a thought, or extinguish an entire UNIVERSE with the snap of their fingers...
     
  20. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    You're little fighters and frigates wouldn't keep our ships busy for more than a second or two... if that. More than likely, we'd ignore them until the Eclipses are destroyed. And you can't hyperjump all over the place, especially not while IN solar systems - remember, you can't jump near gravity wells... and once the Federation knows this, they'll exploit it.
     
  21. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    No, SW ships are blind in HyperSpace - otherwise Han would have seen the debris field from Alderran before coming back to realspace.
     
  22. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    This is a one-out thing that, honestly, I don't know how to explain. The only theory I can come up with is Shinzon had already dropped his shields in anticipation of Picards surrender, leaving on the bridge deflector screen up.

    We've seen cases where shielded ships have "scraped" against each other, and the shields flare up. In Nemesis, we saw a large chunk of one of the Warbirds ping off the Enterprises's weakened nacelle shielding (causing minor scrambling of her systems). Why at the end the Enterprise was able to sail on thru the Scimitar's shields is a mystery :shrug:
     
  23. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    when have we ever seen wires in star trek? We've seen plasma conduits and bio-neural gelpack command systems. They DO use Fibre Optic cables in the older ships as their data transfer medium, and I think the Galaxy class was the last one to do that (and even they were upgraded to the bio-neural gel packs).

    I dont' know about EVERY C&C interface - I'm talking purely power distrobution. Trek does NOT use wires for that

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