Why Christians don't pray like Jews?

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  1. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Pack animals often lower their heads to acknowledge the alpha male, including primates. Falling flat on your face is basically an exaggeration of a genetically programed behavior display.

    This is why kings and emperors demand a low bow. Or God - the ultimate alpha male.

    Perhaps because Christianity came to prominence in societies that had underwent some sort of republic transition the idea of bowing was already limited. This has happened in China for example where Chinese haven't really done much bowing since Communism came into existance. It's my guess that Christian Chinese pre Communism would have bowed deeper than modern day Chinese Christians.
     
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  3. Adstar Valued Senior Member

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    Yes the Mass is un-Christian.


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  5. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    The mass is not un-Christian. Like everything else about Xianity it's based on and developed out of pre-Christian religions.
     
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  7. Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

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    M*W: Do tell.
     
  8. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Even if it were, why should anyone care?
     
  9. WillNever Valued Senior Member

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    Because according to Ann Coulter, christians are "perfected jews."
     
  10. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    According to me, Ann Coulter is a bitch.
     
  11. Photizo Ambassador/Envoy Valued Senior Member

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    What you understand to be 'Christianity' was never intended to be a break from Judaism. Judaism and all its trappings are a 'shadow' cast by Christ, The Redeemer. The shadow is separate and distinct from that which casts the shadow… You don’t find in the shadow any substance or connection to that which casts the shadow.

    However, Jesus the God-Man, does share a connection with ALL of humanity by virtue of His Incarnation...and Jesus is humanity’s ONLY Priest, descended from the tribe of Judah (by the Law, all Hebrew priests come only from the tribe of Levi ) according to a Promise/Covenant made by God to the gentile, Abraham--430 yrs. before the institution of Judaism. The point of Judaism (the shadow) was to lead the Hebrews (and anyone who cared to join them) back to the Reality casting the shadow. This was done through continual, vivid, reminders of their inability and unrighteousness i.e. the sacrificial system and the stringent demands of the Law itself— this was a gracious way of giving man a chance to experience ON HIS OWN what he had sought in Eden: knowledge of right and wrong with the option of choosing right rather than wrong…the chance to be like God Himself...by this God unmistakably demonstrates the utter folly of desiring such things apart from Him, and accordingly they proved themselves utter failures in playing God…seeking to cover/hide their failure they began sewing together fig leaves of religiousity, rituals, and rules beyond that given by God originally, thus compounding their guilt.

    When the God-Man walked among them, He removed their fig leaves an exposed their shame, underscoring their need not for resolutions to try harder but for re-connection to Him as their Source of ability and Identity (the way God intended Man to live all along)... Sadly, most wanted nothing to do with Him.

    Yet--ironically/paradoxically-- when humanity does reconnect with God in Christ, humanity indeed receives all they sought for in Eden…i.e. to become like God Himself; to possess the knowledge of good and evil; to possess the Power and Ability to choose good rather than evil…all that and more is given humanity in Christ.

    Redemption--not 'Christianity' has been the plan and purpose of God from the beginning and so He hasn’t 'changed' at all. He's taken great pains to clearly demonstrate our need for Him as the Source of Life, and, His Love for us as those who share a connection to Him enjoyed by no other creature.
     
  12. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    i agree, and by the same logic, Muslims are perfected Christians.
     
  13. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Then you, too, are an Ann Coulter.

    Unless perhaps Bah'ais are perfected Muslims?
     
  14. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    :roflmao:
    knew you're gonna say that.
    good point, and since you brought it up;
    do you know of any "similarities" shared by the three abrahamic religions and not bah'aism?

    iow, what allows a new religion to overwrite an old one? while maintaining it's state of being true?
     
  15. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    That's pre-supposing any of them are (or have ever been) in a "state of being true".
     
  16. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Well, they're all monotheisms, and some draw inspiration from each other. I know little of Bahaism, but those I've met seem quite nice.

    Well, nothing allows a new religion to 'overwrite' an old one. The believers of the earlier religion are free to believe as they like, whatever the scriptural beliefs of the new: Dwywddyr's point regarding their ultimate truth is also suggestive, in that neither the old nor the new ultimately know anything about the truth or falsehood of their faiths.
     
  17. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    yes it is, but i thought we're two theists talking to each other, so i guess we woo woo believe in "true" religions.
    inspiration?

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    you a jew, no?:bugeye:



    oops, never thought of that before..hmmm..
    wasn't abraham ordered to kill his son?

    yeah i know, but this means you hold no faith of ultimate truth then?
     
  18. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    No, I am not Jewish.

    Supposedly. My religion also tells me not to pass judgement on people. There are some conflicting instructions sometimes, but those are the ones I'm going with.

    I do. I just don't believe in 'replacing' other people's religions in a supremacist kind of way. It's a matter for the individual believer, whose perspective varies.
     
  19. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    strange, i'm sure i read it around here somewhere..what religion do you follow then?



    which ones? what is your crieteria for "credebility" when you find two conflicting instructions? (religious instructions of course)



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    please explain.
     
  20. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    one time when i was scared, which doesn't happen often, i went to my knees to pray, and as soon as they hit the floor god bellowed at me, "GET UP!" it really startled me, and i guess, kind of snapped me out of it. he didn't want me to be afraid, or seem weak. that's what i make of it.
     
  21. PsychoticEpisode It is very dry in here today Valued Senior Member

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    To have God personally admonish you is quite an honor. Never mind that Haiti is shaking, God took a few brief seconds out of His day because Lori was on her knees. God is all about priorities. I earlier said that I could not ever believe God would care about shit like praying but I guess He does. Wow! Jeez, you wouldn't think that God's unhappy because Lori wasn't praying properly.

    I don't pray at all and God doesn't say anything to me. I guess I'm doing something right. Still, it would be nice to hear from Him once in a while.
     
  22. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    I find I get 'accused' of it now and then. I take it as a compliment.

    Catholicism. And Myuunitarianism.

    Ethics and kindness to my fellow man.

    Easy: I believe my religion is the correct one. But how do I know that? What right could I possibly have to pressure anyone else to accept it? On what moral authority, for example, could I make it a state religion and penalize others - socially, economically or legally - for diverging from my opinion. Moreover, pressuring other people that my faith is correct is wrong, because it goes against the very articles that tell me to give my brother the blanket off my back. Surely that should extend to the tolerance of his faith?
     
  23. Adstar Valued Senior Member

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    Those who care do, those who don't care don't.

    Now if you don't care why did you post?


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