The truth unveils - the peace activists are "shahids"

Yes: at the same time, however, it could be argued that weapons could be loaded immediately after the inspection, or at sea. What were the terms offered for the inspection? What time frame and conditions?

The problem is that we know precious little of the case's details.

 

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As it was mentioned before; there was no way to know that is what was on board unless the ships were inspected. For all anybody knew, there were bomb making materials on board...

In fact... whether you realize it or not, you actually mentioned something that contains potential materials for bomb-making. I remember seeing video of the ships being unloaded in Israeli dock, and part of the cargo was a large number of motorized scooters. (They can be counted as wheelchairs since they're meant to help the disabled with mobility)

Yup! You can use the batteries out of those motorized scooters to make the power source for a remotely detonated bomb. We here in the United States know these devices as IED's, and they are responsible for the deaths of more than a few of our soldiers.

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Now, whether or not Israel feels the same way is entirely up for speculation. If anybody can say one way or another, that would be nice... if they are, then that's awfully generous of them considering the potential for use, if not... then I don't blame them.

As for manual wheelchairs, those are of course benign, and are likely being let into Gaza as they are a medical supply and important for use in hospitals.

 

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? Specifically from wheelchairs? The confiscation of those batteries strikes me as punitive, not preventative.

 

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Like I said, I have no idea if Israel is actually keeping those from going into Gaza. It was just an example of one innocent-enough looking thing that could be used for something slightly more sinister.

 

wheelchair bateries are bulky would be hard to conceled and if they are continually fed of off they don't keep a charge all that long.

 

The length of time which they hold a charge is a moot point. Most IED's placed in Iraq detonate within a day or two of being planted, and the power being drawn from them is minuscule.

To be fair though, you are probably right about the size of the battery, although again I'm not entirely sure on the specifics here just like I'm not sure on whether or not Israel even bats an eyelash at these things. Back 15 years ago the batteries were roughly the size of a car battery. These days I'm sure they're smaller, but I'm not sure how much smaller they are. In reality, all you need is a couple of C-Sized batteries, or one of those 6volt batteries.

 

The confiscated aid is reported to be out of date.

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http://www.inn.co.il/News/News.aspx/205194

 

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As well as this nifty picture of some of the "aid" that was aboard the ships...

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Rachel Corrie turns back because there are no reporters to cover the story:

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http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3898935,00.html

 

depending on the pwoer draw it could drain it in that timeperiod.

if you put your 2 fists together their around that size at least the ones on my mom's are that size.

 

I could find most of that on a habitat for humanity build.

 

Doubtful. The power being drained from them would only be needed to power a timer, or remote detonation device like a radio receiver. These things drain very little power. You don't need to have a very complex set up to make something go boom... in fact the less complex the device, the better.

If that's the case, then that wouldn't be too big to use in an IED... in fact that sounds like it's about the size of a standard 6v battery. I was under the impression that they were the size a car battery which can easily weigh at least 20 pounds.

 

but hot fry conditions I believe help drain a battery faster

IT wasn't so much as to big but their rather noticable

it depends on the wheel chair some might have much larger batteries. the ones on my moms weigh several pounds and I'm guessing on some that with larger batteries have them being like 8 or 9 pounds.

 

Not by a significant amount. Plus, IED's are typically buried under ground where they are not as immediately noticeable to passing vehicles. I've seen video of IED's tunneled all the way under the middle of a road in order to make them that much more concealed, and effective.
IED Blowing up under roadway.

Yeah, 8 or 9 pounds would be hefty, but you never know... most of the diagrams I've seen for IED's use two C batteries, and some use 6v batteries. They are called IED (Improvised Explosive Device) for a reason.

 

You know I was just reading this article about the Rachel Corrie ship and it says this

"We shall not allow the ships to reach Gaza. Not now and not later on. We intend to direct the Rachel Corrie ship to the Ashdod Port and transfer its civilian goods to Gaza following a security check," he said.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3898947,00.html

Now what is wrong with that? Why don't they just take the vessels to ashdod and let the israeli's check the aid cargo? I mean its not as if the Israeli's are going to let them get through. And there is that link provided by Niraka http://baltimorechronicle.com/2010/010610Lendman.shtml

I hadn't heard of the event but now that I do it puts the flotilla situation in a whole new light, meaning I understand why they attempted this route. But in that video the Egyptians would only allow a number of the convoy to enter Gaza but not all. The Turks decided that if the entire convoy couldn't enter then none of it would go. Now they don't say on the video why the Egyptians wanted to block some of the trucks but I would guess that some of the items are on the 'not permitted' list. What I do find strange is that they wouldn't even allow the Egyptians to take in the few trucks that were permitted. Why the all or nothing approach? Same with the Corrie, its like destined to be stopped so why not try a different approach like asking the Israeli government if they can bring the stuff to them to be searched and then allow maybe a handful of the activists to take the permitted aid into Gaza as a show that they are not alone in the world. Just a suggestion.

 

Thats kinda like Gandhi asking the British for permission to go on the Salt March. Or civil disobedience.

Or the Poles asking the Germans to check the food parcels they are sending to Warsaw.

If the Israelis were not blockading Gaza, there would be no need to send flotillas.

Do you understand why the flotillas are necessary?

 

The flotillas are only good for getting stopped Sam:shrug:

The Rachel Corrie has as much of a chance of getting through as I do of waking up on the moon. Also why is it that the Turkish leader wouldn't allow the Egyptians to bring in a portion of their convoy? Why tell them its all or nothing?

 

Well not only that but the goods have to be checked, just as my suitcase has to be checked when I bring stuff in and out of a country. So why don't they just allow the Israeli's to check the goods and then request permission for a handful of the activists to go into Gaza? Sam seems to think this an outlandish suggestion akin to asking the Nazi's to give food to Jews or something but we are not dealing with the Nazi's. The Egyptians also didn't allow aid the convoy from Turkey to get through the border, what they were going to allow was for some of the stuff to get through and the Turkish leader said no. It was all or nothing.

Anyway I was only suggesting that since they cannot avoid the border police whether they be egyptian or Israeli they might as well hand the stuff over to be searched. The Israeli's already said they were going to stop the vessels by any means necessary and we already have 6 dead.