Tunisie: What do Americans, or, sciforumers in general, know about tunisia?

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  1. Shadow1 Valued Senior Member

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    but it's not liek you think, also our presedent did alot of good things, we are on top of many arab countries, close to the west, etc etc...the only thing is:

    yopu're free at anything, but politics not your buisness, and i don't care about politics at all, and yes, most of us love our presedent.
    but this is not the topic

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  3. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    It just doesnt peak my interest very much.
     
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  5. Shadow1 Valued Senior Member

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    yeah
     
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  7. Cifo Day destroys the night, Registered Senior Member

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    But politics and freedom of speech are central to what you want. Politics is the people's business. The people construct a system of government and then submit themselves to it. The people must be free to speak and to hear. This is perhaps the single, most fundamental liberty upon which all other principles are founded. By definition, people cannot thrive under oppression. I hope you can see this. An oppressed nation cannot truly become great.
     
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    it's not even oppsessive as you think!! i know where i'm living better than you do

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    and i'm living great

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    but, i think this topic is not about politics

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    anyway, i know what you mean. but it's not as you think.. i know
     
  9. Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member

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    I confess.

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    We all have
     
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    Probably the biggest difference to Americans would be how small of a country Tunisia is, with nothing that we would think of as a big city.

    Consider that Los Angeles County (just one County in the State of California) has about two times as many people living in it as all Tunisa, and the city of Los Angeles has about 10 times the population of Tunis.

    Arthur
     
  12. SrasRodriguez Registered Senior Member

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    I'm not American and until today I'd never heard of Tunisia, but I would never go there simply because of the attitude towards women. Same with any other Arab country. Having been refused entry to a library in a primarily Muslim country before for wearing 3/4 length pants and a long sleeved shirt while men were free to wander in in shorts and t shirts I've experienced a minor problem with this attitude first hand. I'm disgusted by the oppression that women continue to deal with in many countries throughout the world because of religion and out dated male dominant opinions.
     
  13. Shadow1 Valued Senior Member

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    not in tunisia, and not all arab countries, pleas correct your informations.
    and if you think it's islam's fault? don't, islam don't order women to wear burqa, and not force on them the hijab, just tell to wear respectfull clothes, that's the relegion saying, but, the rest in some arab countries, is becuase of some bad traditions, not islam, traditions, and, also, extremism, didnt appear before, only appeared in the 18 th century and last 19th century, and so on.

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  14. Shadow1 Valued Senior Member

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    yeah,but, is a 10 million population, capable of doing alot? and doing much? like japan?
     
  15. Shadow1 Valued Senior Member

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    also about 8 million tourist come a year, and many many of them come back again and again
     
  16. raptorttail Registered Member

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    As previously stated I was in Tunisia in 1987. the only other time i was in an Arab nation was when I with the Canadian UN mission in Egypt.

    My experience is that Arab culture is basically a basket case.

    It thrives on inefficiency. What's wierd is you could sit down with one Arab and discuss geology, etc. No different than if you were discussing a topic with a western colleague. However, as soon as two Arab geologists had to work together it was 'game over'. Stupidity sets in. Status trumps everything else...they rattle on about their credentials...spend most of the time boasting about their family, high placed friends they know, etc. Everything is promised but nothing gets done....nothing. Like dealing with children. Put it this way...Mexico would seems like a dynamic hot bed of innovation after working in an Arab country.

    Step across into Israel and sanity returned. Stuff got done. Things worked. schedules kept, etc.

    For Tunisia or any Arab nation to thrive it has to get rid of the Arabs. Not literally but culturally. The Arab culture is bogged down in self-delusional ineptitude. It doesn't fit the 21st century. it didn't fit the 20th century. Most Arabs know this but they just lie to eachother and turn their lack of confidence outwards...turn it into hate for something. Might be the west, might be Israel or whatever. The reality is if Israel and other external enemies were to disappear tomorrow nothing would change in the Arab world...they'd still be a basketcase because they are full of Arabs.
     
  17. nirakar ( i ^ i ) Registered Senior Member

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    Tunisia is growing in population quickly; your population source may be outdated.

    L.A. County has 9,848,011 people.
    Tunisia has 10,432,500 people.

    Both Tunisia's area and population are about the same as the US state of Georgia's area and population.

    There are a lot of different numbers being offered for the city of Tunis's metropolitan population but 2,800,000 is a sort of mid range number which is about the size of the Cleveland, Tampa, Saint Louis and Denver Metro areas.
     
  18. Shadow1 Valued Senior Member

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    lol, there's a saying says, arabs agreed not to agree

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    but, it's not the arabic culture fault, it's the mentality, of that country, and that's difference from a country to another, egyptians are loud, maghrebians, well, i can say tunisians are, cold, or, quiet, but, some times hot, also maghrebians, arab gulf country, (shhhh, well, lol, not very good things, but, idk) and, i'm totally against your saying, i mean, go visit, many arab countries, and you'll find each, is different, also, that was the 1987, and, that wasn't always like that, like you said, in hundred uyears before, because the arab nation, wich was all ruled by ottman, and another one before them, reached it's lawest level of developement, means, had a great collapse, while europe had a great "up up". so, it have nothing to do with the arab cultrue, but, if you mean the mentality, yes, also as you said, that was 1987,i don't know about egypte much, but i do know about tunisia, morroco, and algeria and libya, as a being a maghreb, but idk much about muritania if i don't even know anything about it. i think you get my point, if you didnt, pleas ask, with questions

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    so i can answer them easilly and know what exactly you're asking for this time

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  19. Shadow1 Valued Senior Member

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Tunisia
    0.969 in 2010 birth rate, today we're in 2010, i think it's near zero, and even it may be negative one day (and i hope it wan't), the deseacresing of the birth rate, is because, peopel before get married, they will first need to finish their education and high school, (that's if they didnt go aboard to study more and more) get a job, get a house, get used to it, find the right girl, etc... the latest thing that a tunisian will think about, is marriage

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  20. Chipz Banned Banned

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    I can't imagine that's the whole story...considering literacy is only 65% for women. Men's literacy is only 84%. Fact it they're going to have to do something; with a fertility rate of 1.74...they won't be masters of their own nation in 2 or 3 generations.
     
  21. Shadow1 Valued Senior Member

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    huh? wtf? this is not somal here.

    84% and 65 for women? from where did you get those ones??
    50% of univercity and school and etc... are women... they are the half of the society...

    youth litercy in 2004 (again, 2004, we are in 2010) say it again, 2004. is 94.3%

    anyway, for adults, there are some schools for old people who can't read, so they go to their to study, to deseacrese the illiteracy rate, anyway, 80% literacy rate for 2004, and most of them are the elders, or the 50-60 years old and up; again, 2004 (we are at 2010)
    look at this increase in human developement, till 2005? we are at 2010

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    anyway, where did you get those numbers anyway??
     
  22. Shadow1 Valued Senior Member

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    1.74 brith rate? it's 0.969.they won't what?


    pleas get educated (that's not an insult).
    anyway, it's your thought, whatever, not going to change the facts

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    well, i have to start to be an ignorant too, that seems to be working good, and easier too

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  23. Chipz Banned Banned

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    Shadow, in English saying "get educated" is a presumptive insult.

    I checked my facts from the Central Intelligence Agency FactBook. They're more reliable than you or your sources.

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ts.html

    Literacy there is shown as:
    83.4/65.3/74.3% (Male/Female/Average)

    The fertility rate is 1.71 children per woman. The result is a negative growth rate (Below 1) which is estimated at .97% A growth rate of .97 corresponds to a decreasing population...and also a decreasing fertility rate. As populations become smaller - people become busier - people become less "fertile".

    Here's a theoretical table:
    Let's assume a generation is 25.2 years...then between generation 1 and generation 2...the population change is .97% of population per year.
    \(10,300,000 (.97)^{25.2}\) Which is 4,780,000 people.
    In two generations...the population is 2,188,000 people.

    Which means after 3 generations...the population of the Tunisian "people" would be around 1 million people. That's a little more then 75 years. Population structures can change rapidly, it's for this reason that Islam has been able to spread so quickly - and it's for this reason they say they will "Conquer the world without raising a sword".
     
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