Richard Dawkins vs Wendy Wright

Discussion in 'Biology & Genetics' started by deicider, Oct 16, 2010.

  1. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    No they don't show signs of being simply deformed. It all fits, the teeth are the right shape for the jaw, the morphology of the hips supports certain kinds of movement, there is no disease that could account for these, especially since there were more than one example of a species found.

    Next, could they just be a branch of apes that went extinct? That also cannot be true, since no modern human fossils are ever found that are contemporary with these. When these hominids existed, there were no modern humans yet.
     
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  3. jpappl Valued Senior Member

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    Is it enough evidence to suggest beyond a reasonable doubt that this is correct ?

    What is the best alternative theory ?
     
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  7. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    No modern human fossils have been found that are contemporaneous with these primitive hominids. Where were any hominids more than 5 million years ago? The evidence does not support the notion that God made the world just for us. Life has existed on Earth for 3.5 billion years, so we are a late addition.
     
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    Aslo spidergoat, can you tell us as to the veracity of the dating of these specimens?
     
  9. John99 Banned Banned

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    What i mean is tell me the difference between one found and estimated to be 3.5 billion as opposed to say 1 billion.
     
  10. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Dating can be accomplished in many ways. The dating methods aren't that controversial, and they can be cross checked with each other.
     
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    So then tell us how to tell the difference between a bone\fossil found and estimated at 3 billion years old and 1 billion years old. We are talking about billions of years here. Are you saying that finding something and estimating it to be 3 billion years old cannot, in actuality, be 1 billion years old?
     
  12. jpappl Valued Senior Member

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    John99,

    I can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that we evolved from lower species which also casts doubt on god creation or alien help.

    Canine teeth.

    Explain to me why we have them.

    If god created us 6,000 years ago and we have evidence of us using fire to cook our food for at least 250,000 years. They why would a god give us canine teeth, which are needed in tearing raw meat. IOW, if he created a new species 6000 years ago there was no need to give canines. We had fire.

    If we are aliens from another planet we wouldn't have canine teeth unless all hominids were brought here by the aliens. If that was the case, we evolved here anyway.

    So we have god created with no reason to give us canines.
    We are from another planet, please explain canines.
    We have canines because we needed them hundreds of thousands of years ago and there was no evolutionary reason to get rid of them.

    If you can logically explain why we have them I would like to hear it.
     
  13. John99 Banned Banned

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    WOW...."Canine teeth" is just a name and those teeth are not really different from the other fron teeth, in humans.

    I know i dont use those particular teeth for cutting through tough objects, raw meat or not. From my observations humans use the front teeth...but either way they dont resemble canine teeth with any real accuracy.
     
  14. jpappl Valued Senior Member

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    Can you answer my questions or not.
     
  15. John99 Banned Banned

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    What question? I cant be asked religious questions because i am not coming from a religious perspective.
     
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    you see pappl, those are transitional teeth. They transition from the front tetht (incisors) to back teeth. BUT, they are very similar to incisors and more so than the molars.

    In furtherance of that i offer htis image

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gray997.png

    There are even teeth called "pre molars"...why is that?
     
  17. jpappl Valued Senior Member

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    Doesn't matter.

    Explain to me another reason why we would have canine teeth, other than evolving from those who needed them to survive.
     
  18. John99 Banned Banned

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    i added to the other post. I answered it sufficiently.
     
  19. jpappl Valued Senior Member

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    No you didn't.

    All you did was provide a link to show the teeth. WTF.

    That is not an answer to my question. I didn't ask what are canine teeth.

    So try again.
     
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    When i said canine teeth are not really canine teeth shoulod have been sufficient.
     
  21. jpappl Valued Senior Member

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    So you can't answer the question then ?

    If you answer is that they are not canine teeth then why did you provide a link with canine teeth shown.

    Now, if you can answer the question go ahead, if you want to act like a dumbass who doesn't know what canine teeth are then that's fine too. I will just stop taking you seriously. Fair enough.
     
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    That is a question a child would ask.
     
  23. jpappl Valued Senior Member

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    John99,

    I see based on this that you didn't understand the question.

    The question is not why do we have teeth.

    The question is why would we have canine specifically if we at the time of god supposedly creating us we had fire and it throws the alien idea right out the window unless the claim is that all with canines came from the same alien planet millions of years ago.

    Does this help you understand the question better ?

    So please enlighten me with a better explanation for them.
     

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