James R "Kaffir" is not an insult.

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  1. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    What I want to know how you were able to find an old post like this http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2021505&postcount=20,

    given that the forum search function is limited to after the last major software update (which was about a year ago) and Google doesn't search far back it either.
     
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  3. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Your response is irrelevant. I'm discussing new issues. Do you have the ability to understand that?

    Mawdudi - great choice of philosopher, Sam. Do you also understand the tiny distinction between Hitler's discussing his philosophy on propaganda, and citing your approbation of a known fascist demagogue on his definition of a pejorative connected to discrimination and supremacism?
     
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  5. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Works for me, chief. I searched on the posts, and that's what I got.
     
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  7. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Anyway, the thread title is interesting:

    James R "Kaffir" is not an insult.

    ie. 'James R (whose title is "Kaffir") is not an insult'

    'James R is not an insult'


    We shall deliver him the happy news! James R is not an insult!!
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Hmm so which part of his philosophy of takfir do you disagree with?

    The notion that for some people islam is sufficient? The notion that such brevity of faith is not enough for those who delve deep into religious philosophy? The notion that those who appear outwardly religious may be hypocritical while those who appear outwardly kufr may be deeply religious?

    I'll be happy to debate you on those ideas of his which I concur with

    here is a repost for you to counter with rational and logical statements which show why you disagree with his ideas which I have posted here. I'm sure he has said a lot of other stuff, but since I only stated my concurrence with these opinions [not facts, opinions] please state your philosophical rebuttal of them. I'll add all the ones I agree with in relation to the topic of Muslims and religious expression within Islam.

    Once again, the source is Fitna-e-Takfir. It is in Urdu but English translations are available

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    Now these are the only opinions of his which I have read and agreed with, in relation to some other discussion I was having with an Indian Muslims forum. I have not read any other opinions by him, although I am aware that he was a conservative and hence not likely to agree much with me. Still, I can appreciate an idea or a philosophy on its own merit.

    So lets hear GeoffP's opinions on islam, iman and ihsan
     
  9. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Well, it's a good thing you never went and started layering on positive character descriptions of him, as though you were some kind of subscriber to his nonsense.

    So he's "eminent". It's a good thing you disagree with him so strongly, Sam; otherwise I'd say you were sympathetic to his philosophies.

    Right about now you're scoring somewhere between Sandy and Pat Robertson.
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    If I can have a moment of Zen with Hitler, I can surely have one with Maududi, especially when he says something I agree with.

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    Now what part of his quoted opinion which I have posted do you disagree with? Pick a Pat Robertson statement from post 205. I dare you.

    em·i·nent
       /ˈɛmənənt/ Show Spelled[em-uh-nuhnt] Show IPA
    –adjective
    1.
    high in station, rank, or repute; prominent; distinguished: eminent statesmen.

    How do you define eminent Geoff?
     
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  11. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Well, I usually refrain from calling Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler and now Syed Maududi "eminent".

    I also note again that your moment of shared Zen with Oberst Maudoodi is about a concept on basis of which he happily create an Islamic state replete with the persecution of non-Muslims. Which is troubling.

    Ok. Sorry, but I have to ask: who is it you think you're fooling? Signal?
     
  12. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Die Gedanken sind frie Geoff.

    And I'm not fooling anyone, merely giving you the rope with which you proceed to hang yourself.

    Do pick a statement from post 205 that you find particularly abhorrent, now there is a dear
     
  13. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    That's "frei".

    Please do demonstrate where pointing out your questionable citation of a known reactionary religious bigot in support of the use of a pejorative to different belief groups corresponds to me hanging myself. There's a dear.

    And as for your new clinging post: I'm pretty sure I could find ol' Pat having a similarly innocuous thought or two on a good day. Dunked.

    Seriously: do you get tired of the disingenuousness of your arguments and the specious way you carry them on?
     
  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So which one of his statements in post 205 do you disagree with?

    Because I'll repeat here, I agree with all of his statements in that post. ALL OF THEM.

    Would you like to debate any of the arguments?
     
  15. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, I think it might be this one:

    Gawd. "Deal with those who have gone beyond the borders of Islam". Sounds ominous, doesn't it? What's he planning to do? Could it be in any way related to

     
  16. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Hey, check this out: he also is condensing the idea of "kafir" and "wrong-doer".

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    It's...whut's them word..."indicative", doncha think?
     
  17. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    You oppose this?

    You think we are empowered to look into the hearts of people and determine their faith?
     
  18. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Still, it's only outward signs that Maududi's interested in, if we're to infer anything from this citation he gives:

    He's interesting (in a sick kind of way) in that he only seems to be interested from a legal perspective in adherence to Islam as an expression of belonging: not to a state, but to the community. The sick part - which he appears to share with Mohammed himself if there's anything to that citation - is that he'll gladly kill you for disagreeing, which is in line with the part I mentioned above.

    Aber Gedanken - und nur Gedanken - sind immer frei!

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  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Are we still talking about post 205 and those opinions of his which I agree with or are you off on your own tangent which has nothing to do with my response to quinnsong again?

    You realise that unless he personally met the Prophet he is quoting a hadith - which is what religious clerics do? As opposed to his OWN WORDS in Fitna-e-Takfir?
     
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  20. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Do I oppose dealing with people who leave Islam. And since you're defending Mawdudi, this means: do I oppose killing people for leaving Islam?

    Well, shit: yes, I think I do.

    I think I'm happier imagining that you were empowered to determine nothing at all, so I could actually partway agree with this sentence. Of course, the ones around it are a little more troublesome. Don't you agree?
     
  21. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, I'm sorry: I thought you weren't going to defend the opinions of those you didn't agree with. Yet you defended:

    You can say you didn't, if you like: but you avoided it, rather than refuting any sympathy for it outright, so too late.
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Too late for what? Agreeing with his opinion in Fitna-e-Takfir? Sorry, still agreeing here. Still agree with ALL statements in post 205. Now what?
     
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  23. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    And thus, your ultimate opinion can be rapidly concluded.

    Thanks for playing.
     
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